The dangers and potential destructiveness of anti-feminism

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So essentially you were a moderator of an internet forum and came to these conclusions by watching men and women argue on said discussion forum?

Sorry hun, but you are judging from a skewed baramoter. If you haven't noticed most people say stuff on the NET that they would never say in real life. Hell, most people just start arguments for the hell of it.

Anything can be dangerous and harmful to attraction when it's over done. That includes being an anti-femnazi to overeating.

I think you are being attacked because your first post is poorly conceived. It comes off in a more accusatory fashion then it does as a helping hand.

Furthermore I think it would be helpful if you posted your pic. Are we dealing with an UG who has to much time on her hands or an actual HB that has some social skills? It would be nice to know.
 

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Originally posted by Don Juanabbe
Try duracell next time, sweetheart.

This thread started out reasonably, but it was only ever a wind up to begin with.
Where have I been "unreasonable"? I'm actually one of the few people posting on here who are actually posting with reason and logic.

You (and quite a few others) apparently have no actual interest in having a mature discussion about the subject. All you have done is make off topic posts to insult and attack me as a person and be disruptive.

You guys are doing the exact same thing feminists do when someone posts a topic that criticizes or challenges feminism in a fair and mature way.

So many of you have, indeed, become that which you despise. It's really quite sad...

If in the next response you choose to continue to attack and insult rather than discuss this like an adult then I will be adding you to my growing list of ignored posters. I really don't have the time or inclination to deal with anyone who isn't mature and rational enough to have an adult conversation.
 

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Originally posted by Casino
So essentially you were a moderator of an internet forum and came to these conclusions by watching men and women argue on said discussion forum?

Sorry hun, but you are judging from a skewed baramoter. If you haven't noticed most people say stuff on the NET that they would never say in real life. Hell, most people just start arguments for the hell of it.

Anything can be dangerous and harmful to attraction when it's over done. That includes being an anti-femnazi to overeating.

I think you are being attacked because your first post is poorly conceived. It comes off in a more accusatory fashion then it does as a helping hand.

Furthermore I think it would be helpful if you posted your pic. Are we dealing with an UG who has to much time on her hands or an actual HB that has some social skills? It would be nice to know.
I was the administrator and owner of the forum. I had one moderator assist me in running the forum for a year. After the year I turned it over to a man who considered and called himself a misogynist. He was the only one besides myself on the forum who I knew would continue to run it in the way I wanted it to be run.

Yes, people say things online they would never say in public...because people are more honest about their true feelings online.

After a year, most of the hatred had faded and everyone was actually becoming very friendly for the most part. The man I turned the forum over to told me that the forum allowed him to work through his anger and hatred and by turning it over to him it made him realize that all the fighting and arguing was stupid and talking rationally worked so much better to get his points across. That forum was far busier and far more volatile than this place has ever been. There were always at least 100 people actively posting and thousands of posts each day.

There is nothing at all wrong with my first post. I think the problem is that those who probably need to read it most of all are skipping the reading and just posting personal attacks. One of the people I have put on ignore admitted that they had not even bothered to read the first post.
 

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Originally posted by Casino
1. whats the URL to your site?

2. have your posted a picture? Can you post a pic (I'm not trying to "cyber" or anything but it would be helpful to see what we are dealing with.

Heres me:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cf...file&friendID=10263419&Mytoken=20050823112335
The site no longer exists. The guy started another forum about movies and idle chit chat that most of the same people posted at for awhile. It was about 5 years ago that I started the forum. It has been gone for a couple of years or so.

The link you want is in my signature.
 

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Face it people. If feminism never existed there would be no need for sites like this one. Wyldefire you do make very good points but I honestly can't agree with you 100% because there are many obvious flaws in your argument which few managed to point out. Wyldefire.... Feminist is something that is all around us and I feel that IT WILL continue to worsen over time. The men on these boards are just trying to making an attempt to rid their lives off of all this feminist bull$h!t (which is pretty much impossible considering that it's been allowed to get this far). I agree with you over not being obsessed over it and trying not to allow it to turn us men into monsters but that is easier said than done. This is affecting us and something thats going to be right in front of us for the rest of out lives. What do you suggest we do? Being a man in this day and age is extremely prohibited otherwise we would be considered chavaunist, sexist, bitter, a bastard etc. So what do you suggest we do? Pook has always been oppossed to AFC behaviour and feminists strive to make men into spineless whimps which is completely opposite to being a DJ. Pook has more than a good reason to turn out the way he did. He seems very aware of the problems that persist in his life and he is willing to make certain changes and pass it on to the fellows on this board. I'm not saying that we should be obssesed over it but we do have a right to take action. I feel that pook is doing the right thing.


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My Thoughts.

Many guys who fail USE feminism or the surface concepts of it to justify their own lack of success. People do this many arenas of life. With health...

"it's too time consuming"
"genetics"
"it's too hard"
"i hate lifting"
"yoga is for pvssies"

And so on...

It's EASIER to blame the external world, than change the internal beliefs and actions that will yield BETTER more USEFUL results.

However, does feminism spoil a bunch of the apples?

Absolutely.

Will I let it damper MY success with women?

No, and it never has. BUT, I make a point to speak with women in a manner where I convey MY beliefs on relationships and gender roles as it relates TO MY life. Keeping that in the forefront ensures that I only find women who buy into my reality, and who aren't fake enough to sneak through.

To me, what Wyldefire said makes grand sense, but the guy who feels victim in his dating pool, will also feel victim in other areas of life. It's a victimhood mentality that permeates all facets of life. You will rarely see a successful businessman or athlete or person, who blames other.


The friends I have that try to steal girls from other guys, or complain that all women are hoores, are also the same ones who try to shirk the system, cheat others, and so on, because they don't feel anything can be done honestly. Bottom line, they don't trust themselves enough to be who they are and fight through the jungle to find what they want. They're fearful they won't get what it is they desire.


BUT, I say....


Feminism IS WRECKING more women than it's helping, it just means men have to be more discriminating when dating women, more selective.


I've been caught off guard by sweet girls, who play the "i'm old school at heart," yet want to extract control from the men. They complain about 1 piece of the puzzle, but then complain about the other. They are perpetually unhappy. While it's not grand scale true, it's a high enough % to call it an epidemic.


When you go AGAINST the natural flow of life's essence, you throw it into a tailspin of confusion, where frustration abounds as it's inherent talents are lost and foresaken for those that suit a more utilitarian approach. Better put?


Men and women are frustrated because we're basically reversing roles, or duplicating roles, and those things we genuinely love deep inside are not being expressed. Women who love to home school and do house work, decorate and cook, entertain and give love, as well as receive it, must trude into the cold, harsh corporate cuthroat world of business and sales. They must take the responsibility of numbers, finances, managing a household like a small business. At the end of the day, they're emotionally bankrupt. And the men, who are in the same state as it's their inherent nature, return home to a needy, whining wench, rightfully so, but all the more unhappy, because her equally exhausted male counterpart seeks what SHE is also missing. It's a conspiracy of the highest order, unbeknownst to man and womankind.


A man, to be IN marriage, will INVEST his future earnings, estate, seeds, future lays, future time, possibly friends, freedom independence and dreams, on 1, count that 1, woman. A man, me, in my arrogant opinion is what I liken to as the "best investment you can ever get from the world." And that investment is HAD by being worthy of RECEIVING that investment. Yes, it's cold hard definitions, BUT, it serves the point.


What of the women with Gates?
Or Trump?
Or Tiger?
Or the sweethearts that stuck by their high school and college boyfriends who brought them to a life of passion and wealth? Opportunity and happiness?


Our deterioration of character comes from the LIVE TODAY mentality, like we'll die and not have had anything worthwhile in our lives. It's the grasshopper mentality, while those who surge ahead work like ANTS.


Buy it or don't buy it. I see with a vision like that of Neo in the Matrix at all the worker bees toiling at work, hoping to provide material possessions at home, while the inherent emotions are evaporating at an alarming rate. It isn't money that's bad, it's the values BEHING the money that are bad. It's the BELIEFS that are leading to the pain.

We can either have a completely autonomous society, one where robots provide pleasure, where babies are soon to be born in bags, so women don't have to endure the pain of birth, nor the physical impairment that follows, OR, we return to a society, a world, built on compassion, feeling, togetherness and love.


Am I bitter on women?

Not in the least. I love the girls in my family. I've loved before. But women who believe they're fooling the piper are far gone wrong. Spending their youth is like spending their big inheritance. They're pitched all over TV no guys could eternally love them. That divorce is their goal. That independence their aim. That life shall be lived alone, most likely. And the only reason it comes to being is because whatever we believe, comes to conception. If you believe it, you will bring it about. You will attract whatever your dominating thoughts and feelings are.

I do feel girls are going bankrupt. They're spending their sexual freedom. They're spending down their emotional pot, the one in which they give to men, to others, to bring life to the world.



This is my view,



A-Unit


Nice post and enlightening, Wyldfire
 

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Originally posted by Adrian
Face it people. If feminism never existed there would be no need for sites like this one. Wyldefire you do make very good points but I honestly can't agree with you 100% because there are many obvious flaws in your argument which few managed to point out. Wyldefire.... Feminist is something that is all around us and I feel that IT WILL continue to worsen over time. The men on these boards are just trying to making an attempt to rid their lives off of all this feminist bull$h!t (which is pretty much impossible considering that it's been allowed to get this far). I agree with you over not being obsessed over it and trying not to allow it to turn us men into monsters but that is easier said than done. This is affecting us and something thats going to be right in front of us for the rest of out lives. What do you suggest we do? Being a man in this day and age is extremely prohibited otherwise we would be considered chavaunist, sexist, bitter, a bastard etc. So what do you suggest we do? Pook has always been oppossed to AFC behaviour and feminists strive to make men into spineless whimps which is completely opposite to being a DJ. Pook has more than a good reason to turn out the way he did. He seems very aware of the problems that persist in his life and he is willing to make certain changes and pass it on to the fellows on this board. I'm not saying that we should be obssesed over it but we do have a right to take action. I feel that pook is doing the right thing.


All I got in this world is my balls and my word and I don't break either of 'em for nobody! - Scarface
Adrian...I'm not saying that men should ignore feminism and just sit back and take it. The first step is to recognize what is going on and be aware of it. Just being aware of it all will help you resist becoming a girly man. That's THE most important part of it. The absolute WORST thing a man can do is react like feminists. That won't work for men and it only makes them look feminine. Feminists use FEMALE behavior to further feminism. Men can't use FEMALE behavior and get anywhere with it. If you hear a woman go off about how men make more money than women, stop them and remind them that it is illegal for an employer to pay a man more than they pay a woman for the same job, experience and education. You also point out that if, in fact, women really were paid less for the same work that no men would have jobs because it would be more cost effective for employers to hire only women. Then explain to them that the statistics used to make that claim compared men and women as groups, not based on the same job, experience and education on a job by job basis. Of course men make more as a whole because women take more time off to have children and more women work part time.

The key to fighting feminism and it's impact on men is to be educated with facts and examples that others can easily understand. When talking to women you have to explain first how feminism makes men feel, because women don't typically think like men. Once you are able to get their attention with the feelings talk it is much easier to present simple examples like the one I mentioned.

The second a man starts behaving like some of the guys on this thread...angry, defensive and ready to attack...no progress can ever be made. It only reinforces those very messages these men claim to be wanting to fight against.

If society is given the message that men are angry, bitter, abusive and demeaning to women and a man tries to prove that is not true by coming off as angry, bitter, abusive and demeaning to women it kind of defeats the entire purpose of arguing that message because their behavior is just reinforcing the message. That is what is happening here.
 

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Great post, A-Unit...I don't disagree with anything you said. You are taking the right attitude. You also touch on the concept of perpetual victimhood. That is the mentality that I'm talking about that reeks of negativity and self-destruction. You're only as happy in life as you CHOOSE to be. Everyone has the choice...EVERYONE. Too many people fall into that victim mentality and embrace it. Those who succeed in life and are truly happy are the ones who make the conscious choice to rise above adversity and hardship and use it as an opportunity to learn, grow and gain wisdom.

For someone so young, you have attained a level of maturity and wisdom rarely seen even in people twice your age. Well done...
 

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:) great post A-Unit. That needs to go in the bible even though it is mainly opinionated. Wyldefire you made a great attempt at looking at this issue from a male perspective and managed to point out our flaws. I have to be with you 100% on this one. I won't allow myself to become an evil person but at the same time I don't think it would stop me from hating feminist with a passion. I don't know if that makes any sense to you. I just have a really bad habit of holding grudges (which I don't think is very DJ attitude). Thanks for the great posts guys.
 

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Originally posted by Adrian
:) great post A-Unit. That needs to go in the bible even though it is mainly opinionated. Wyldefire you made a great attempt at looking at this issue from a male perspective and managed to point out our flaws. I have to be with you 100% on this one. I won't allow myself to become an evil person but at the same time I don't think it would stop me from hating feminist with a passion. I don't know if that makes any sense to you. I just have a really bad habit of holding grudges (which I don't think is very DJ attitude). Thanks for the great posts guys.
I don't think the guys who are behaving badly on here are "evil". I just think they are going about handling things the wrong way, therefore are just making matters worse for themselves in the long run. I dislike feminism, but don't hate feminists. I don't hate anyone. I don't like their behavior just like I don't like the behavior of some of the guys on this site.

I'm glad you got something out of this thread...that was my goal.
 

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Originally posted by Wyldfire
Honestly, how stable and emotionally sound a guy is or isn't doesn't determine how attractive he is to women. One thing is universal, though...anyone who casts a cloud of negativity everywhere they go (male or female) isn't someone ANYONE (male or female) wants to be around because they suck the life right out of everyone.
Thats true. Theres nothing like being around an individual thats always whinning about how life sucks, and how angry he/she is. They can literally ruin an otherwise great party from their presence alone.
 

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Originally posted by BlackJackal
Thats true. Theres nothing like being around an individual thats always whinning about how life sucks, and how angry he/she is. They can literally ruin an otherwise great party from their presence alone.
Yep...no one likes someone who is negative. Ive never met anyone who could stand being around people like that...even other neative people, lol.
 

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That doesn't work. Instead of talking about right and wrong, true and false or any black and white or either/or discussions with women about feminism you HAVE to make it about feelings and emotions. You'll get much further talking to women about feminism if you explain how the commercials are emotionally hurtful and mean to men.
Wyldfire, isn't that EXACTLY what I did?

Adrian...I'm not saying that men should ignore feminism and just sit back and take it. The first step is to recognize what is going on and be aware of it. Just being aware of it all will help you resist becoming a girly man. That's THE most important part of it. The absolute WORST thing a man can do is react like feminists. That won't work for men and it only makes them look feminine. Feminists use FEMALE behavior to further feminism. Men can't use FEMALE behavior and get anywhere with it. If you hear a woman go off about how men make more money than women, stop them and remind them that it is illegal for an employer to pay a man more than they pay a woman for the same job, experience and education. You also point out that if, in fact, women really were paid less for the same work that no men would have jobs because it would be more cost effective for employers to hire only women. Then explain to them that the statistics used to make that claim compared men and women as groups, not based on the same job, experience and education on a job by job basis. Of course men make more as a whole because women take more time off to have children and more women work part time.
Wyldfire, you and just about every man here already knows this. As a woman, you MIGHT be able to reach other women by telling them this. If you were a man, you might as well be wasting your breath, because they will NOT listen. My college course in Human Resources spelled all of this out, with facts and figures to back it up, and no girl there would hear it. They swore up and down that the book was WRONG, because, if it were correct, why do the newspapers and journals all say otherwise? Feminism have all the newspapers and magazines. I still remember my poor professor...when he tried to explain the fact that women typically take time off to raise a family, the girls got all huffy and pissed off at him, even the only older student (in her 40s) was hostile because that was "discrimination" and "unfair." Of course, because some women do this, it's the man's fault for "making her stay home to raise his kids."

Wyldfire, you mean well, but unless you are a MAN, you will never understand what we have to go through. Yes, you are able to think both like a man and a woman, I will give you that, but because you ARE a woman, another woman will listen to YOU a lot easier than than they would a real man.
 

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Originally posted by K B
Wyldfire, isn't that EXACTLY what I did?



Wyldfire, you and just about every man here already knows this. As a woman, you MIGHT be able to reach other women by telling them this. If you were a man, you might as well be wasting your breath, because they will NOT listen. My college course in Human Resources spelled all of this out, with facts and figures to back it up, and no girl there would hear it. They swore up and down that the book was WRONG, because, if it were correct, why do the newspapers and journals all say otherwise? Feminism have all the newspapers and magazines. I still remember my poor professor...when he tried to explain the fact that women typically take time off to raise a family, the girls got all huffy and pissed off at him, even the only older student (in her 40s) was hostile because that was "discrimination" and "unfair." Of course, because some women do this, it's the man's fault for "making her stay home to raise his kids."

Wyldfire, you mean well, but unless you are a MAN, you will never understand what we have to go through. Yes, you are able to think both like a man and a woman, I will give you that, but because you ARE a woman, another woman will listen to YOU a lot easier than than they would a real man.
There is only one reason that men have a difficult time talking about this subject (and some others) to women without having very bad results. That reason is that men assume that women think and receive information in the same way that men do, and they don't. Women do the same thing with men, but that's not the issue at the moment.

Women are typical emotin based...which means the only way you are going to really get them to understand and sympathize with men about anything is to use terminology that makes it easier for them to relate to those feelings. Analogies are a great way to communicate better with women. Okay...what you should have done when talking about the commercials is this:

Do you ladies ever feel like commercials are demeaning to women because they always portray you like a piece of meat? One of them will likely say they do. Once they do that you say, "Did you know that men feel demeaned when commercials portray them as being stupid, too?"

The best way to get a woman in the right frame of mind to be able to notice something that is upsetting to you is to first show her that you are able to notice things that are upsetting to her. This is how women communicate best. This is also how you can tell what she wants or needs from you. If a woman makes a gesture to you (physical, verbal, etc) it almost always means that she wants you to do what she did. So, if you communicate things in the way I just explained, her natural reaction will be to be more considerate and open to what you have to say. It's something that is SO simple to do but that almost no men pick up on or understand.
 

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See there you go, according to Wyldfire it's up to the male to bend-over backwards and "talk in away women understand and accept" when the whole time the male was being wronged, i.e. laughed at and treated with no concern or respect. Yet women don't have to act and think logically and fairly when they're perfectly capable of doing so seeing how many of them can pass college science course. Now you're really saying men should behave like women..
This is the whole point guys were making that you were chatizing, that women are being selfish, insensitive and chuavanistic. Wyldfire it's not about whether your advice is right or useful, (although I doubt it'd work) you're a woman and you only see things from a pro-woman's perspective, just like the rest of them. You're always defending women and attacking men here. Don't even reply, I don't want to hear you're double talk. Case closed.
 

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When a woman wants to communicate something effectively to a man it is her responsibility to find a way to do so that he can understand. If she chooses not to make the effort to communicate in a way he can relate to she's unlikely to get the results she wants.

Likewise, when a man wants to communicate something effectively to a woman it is his responsibility to find a way to do so that she can understand. If he chooses not to make the effort to communicate in a way she can relate to, he's unlikely to get the results he wants.

You can insist until you're blue in the face that I am "siding with women", but that won't make it true.

If you were trying to sell your car would you expect to just say "buy this car" and make the person want to buy it? Of course not! You would make the effort to really sell that car. So why are you so against making that same kind of effort in a relationship?
 

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Originally posted by ketostix
See there you go, according to Wyldfire it's up to the male to bend-over backwards and "talk in away women understand and accept" when the whole time the male was being wronged, i.e. laughed at and treated with no concern or respect. Yet women don't have to act and think logically and fairly when they're perfectly capable of doing so seeing how many of them can pass college science course. Now you're really saying men should behave like women..
This is the whole point guys were making that you were chatizing, that women are being selfish, insensitive and chuavanistic. Wyldfire it's not about whether your advice is right or useful, (although I doubt it'd work) you're a woman and you only see things from a pro-woman's perspective, just like the rest of them. You're always defending women and attacking men here. Don't even reply, I don't want to hear you're double talk. Case closed.
I believe Wyldfire was directing that solution towards the men that actually want the women to understand and acknowledge things that they're trying to put across. If you don't give a shyt if the woman shoots down everything you say, then you could put your point across in whatever manner you like and it wouldn't matter. If your goal is to convince them and to make them understand, then of course you've got to package your 'product' in a manner in which the other person will 'buy' it.

Personally, I'm quite tired of properly packaging my opinions. Most woman will never understand my reasoning because they do not view things the way I do. I very willingly display this 'unattractive' side to any girl that asks for my opinion. She could be a HB10 and I still won't tell her what she wants to hear but I'll tell her how it is in my eyes. Every single woman in this world could find me 'dangerous' and believe that I will not give them security and comfort and I can very well live with that. I am no hypocrite and I hate the fact that women degrade men so badly and have delusions that men have to be 'decent/submissive/romantic/everything they ever dreamed of'. So I decided not to contribute to this problem by being blunt.
 

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Every single woman in this world could find me 'dangerous' and believe that I will not give them security and comfort and I can very well live with that. I am no hypocrite and I hate the fact that women degrade men so badly and have delusions that men have to be 'decent/submissive/romantic/everything they ever dreamed of'. So I decided not to contribute to this problem by being blunt.
I'm with you there. Well, up to a point anyway. I won't go out of my way to be rude to people but I won't pretend to like them if I don't and I won't put up a false front for people (male or female) and I won't agree with them simply to get their approval.
 
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