The dangers and potential destructiveness of anti-feminism

[JonJack]

Originally posted by Hound_of_Love
I'm with you there. Well, up to a point anyway. I won't go out of my way to be rude to people but I won't pretend to like them if I don't and I won't put up a false front for people (male or female) and I won't agree with them simply to get their approval.

I too do not encourage being rude for the sake of it. In my opinion, going out of your way to be rude is just a method of seeking attention. It was very surprising to me when many girls were shocked and appalled by the way I view things. I would say that I was never considered rude at most times. They probably just listen to me and see me as this guy with this fvcked up way of looking at things.

I would like to add one other thing. Never expect anything to change. You could try, but remember that it is probably going to be futile. I argue my points with girls because I want to see how they respond and argue their points. I 'dig' until there's nothing left and I leave it at that. I do not try and go down that road any more because it's a dead end. Going there will only create more tension and that person will probably no longer be my friend because I'll come across as trying to indoctrinate them. It's all about understanding the other person better and not about forcing a person to conform to your ideals.

 

[Plain & Simple]

dang over 120 posts in 2 days ....:woo:

 

[ikkenai]

MAKE ME DINNER, BEEETCH

 

[BlackJackal]

Originally posted by JonJack
I too do not encourage being rude for the sake of it. In my opinion, going out of your way to be rude is just a method of seeking attention. It was very surprising to me when many girls were shocked and appalled by the way I view things. I would say that I was never considered rude at most times. They probably just listen to me and see me as this guy with this fvcked up way of looking at things.

I would like to add one other thing. Never expect anything to change. You could try, but remember that it is probably going to be futile. I argue my points with girls because I want to see how they respond and argue their points. I 'dig' until there's nothing left and I leave it at that. I do not try and go down that road any more because it's a dead end. Going there will only create more tension and that person will probably no longer be my friend because I'll come across as trying to indoctrinate them. It's all about understanding the other person better and not about forcing a person to conform to your ideals.

I agree with you man. I'm so blunt, people(men/women) depend on my bluntness. But being rude is not required, theres no need for it unless provoked. So I dont out of my way to be negative, but if you ask me how I feel about a certain subject ( including women) you're gonna get the truth.
It's too exhausting to live up to others expectations. So I just say fvck the world and live to make my self happy. And I aint affraid to tell a woman up front how it's gonna be with me( without even sounding rude.)

 

[Wyldfire]

Originally posted by BlackJackal
I agree with you man. I'm so blunt, people(men/women) depend on my bluntness. But being rude is not required, theres no need for it unless provoked. So I dont out of my way to be negative, but if you ask me how I feel about a certain subject ( including women) you're gonna get the truth.
It's too exhausting to live up to others expectations. So I just say fvck the world and live to make my self happy. And I aint affraid to tell a woman up front how it's gonna be with me( without even sounding rude.)

There is a huge difference between being blunt and being negative or always acting like a victim. Being blunt while maintaining a certain level of tact is very refreshing. Always being negative or acting like everything you don't like or that goes wrong is the result of some evil feminist (et al) conspiracy is lame and it just brings everyone around you down.

 

[Don Juanabbe]

Jesus, this thread is like a f*cking ******* party with Wyldfire in the middle - and she's loving every minute of it.

 

[zzirf25]

Ok, I wasn't gonna post on this to begin with because I believe that arguing in general is stupid cuz you will not change someone elses opinion no matter how hard you try. But I have noticed an annoying trend on this post that has caused me to post. I have noticed that every time someone argues with wildfyres point that she say's that they are off topic. In my opinion this is a defense mechanism because she knows that she is being too extreme.

Another thing I have noticed is that whenever someone says something that counters her point, she always has the same response to it. "Anti-feminism is dangerous and should be avoided." We know that already so quit trying to reinforce your point, sounds like a desperate person to me. In the beginning I did agree with your original post and I still do, but now it just seems to me that you are continuing an ongoing arguement. So here is my advice to you. STOP REPLYING!!!! Then you will no longer be involved in something that as much as you do not want to admit will not win. I know that you are gonna say something along these lines "You are off topic, if you don't have anything productive to say then don't post."

Well guess what, I am on topic because what I am saying is a
by-product of the original topic at hand. And I feel that I am being very productive in unveiling you as the hypocryte that you are. You say to stay positive and avoid negativity, well the way I see it you need to take your own advice. Don't believe me, go back to the beginning of this post from the first page and read everything that you have said, and I think you should see what I am talking about. I am not saying that you are being directly negative with your insight, but I do feel that you are being negative by feeding the fire with arguing . I know that this will upset you greatly because I have exposed you and your aguemenative ways, but just remember before you tell me that I am off topic that in directly I am on topic.

Thanks in advance!!!

 

[BlackJackal]

Originally posted by Wyldfire
There is a huge difference between being blunt and being negative or always acting like a victim. Being blunt while maintaining a certain level of tact is very refreshing. Always being negative or acting like everything you don't like or that goes wrong is the result of some evil feminist (et al) conspiracy is lame and it just brings everyone around you down.

To be honest wyld...the whole feminist thing is so below me, it's not even on the radar. I get what you were trying to say though through the whole thread. But the situation as far as feminism, isn't even on my level. I could never play the victim card, cause I tend to rather retaliate. ( You know, throw a stone at me, and I'll throw 2 back..lol)
I am aware of the feminism thing, thats why it's not a threat to me, so I'm calm. I just live and let live.

 

[Wyldfire]

Originally posted by zzirf25
Ok, I wasn't gonna post on this to begin with because I believe that arguing in general is stupid cuz you will not change someone elses opinion no matter how hard you try. But I have noticed an annoying trend on this post that has caused me to post. I have noticed that every time someone argues with wildfyres point that she say's that they are off topic. In my opinion this is a defense mechanism because she knows that she is being too extreme.

Another thing I have noticed is that whenever someone says something that counters her point, she always has the same response to it. "Anti-feminism is dangerous and should be avoided." We know that already so quit trying to reinforce your point, sounds like a desperate person to me. In the beginning I did agree with your original post and I still do, but now it just seems to me that you are continuing an ongoing arguement. So here is my advice to you. STOP REPLYING!!!! Then you will no longer be involved in something that as much as you do not want to admit will not win. I know that you are gonna say something along these lines "You are off topic, if you don't have anything productive to say then don't post."

Well guess what, I am on topic because what I am saying is a
by-product of the original topic at hand. And I feel that I am being very productive in unveiling you as the hypocryte that you are. You say to stay positive and avoid negativity, well the way I see it you need to take your own advice. Don't believe me, go back to the beginning of this post from the first page and read everything that you have said, and I think you should see what I am talking about. I am not saying that you are being directly negative with your insight, but I do feel that you are being negative by feeding the fire with arguing . I know that this will upset you greatly because I have exposed you and your aguemenative ways, but just remember before you tell me that I am off topic that in directly I am on topic.

Thanks in advance!!!

I'm pretty sure a lot of the posts I was responding to saying "you're off topic" were personal attacks and insults that were deleted. Every person who has seriously responded to this thread have received a serious response. Only those who have been intentionally trying to disrupt the thread and insult and attack got the "you're off topic" response. Perhaps with some of those posts deleted it might look like I'm saying that to people who didn't deserve it, but the fact is...I only said it to people who were flame baiting.

The only thing I've really "repeated" is the basic concept of this thread's first post because so many either didn't read it at all or only read bits and pieces of it and latched onto parts they didn't like. Sorry, but I disagree that by pointing out negativity that I am in some way "being" negative. If that were true then I would be insulting and making personal attacks on those who have been doing that to me. I haven't, though. So, in reality, you haven't "exposed" any such thing.

Why on earth would I be upset or angry over your post?

 

[Wyldfire]

Originally posted by BlackJackal
To be honest wyld...the whole feminist thing is so below me, it's not even on the radar. I get what you were trying to say though through the whole thread. But the situation as far as feminism, isn't even on my level. I could never play the victim card, cause I tend to rather retaliate. ( You know, throw a stone at me, and I'll throw 2 back..lol)
I am aware of the feminism thing, thats why it's not a threat to me, so I'm calm. I just live and let live.

And that's a good way to be. If you know what's going on, then if there reallly IS something that's a big deal, you can fight that battle. I fought one with my older son when he was in the 7th grade because it was a blatant case of sexism against him and abuse by a girl his age against him that the school was attempting to sanction. I had no part of it. He was standing in the milk line at lunchtime and the girl in front of him was intentionall swinging her lunch box back and forth, hitting him in the thigh over and over again. First he asked her to please stop it. She kept hitting him and laughing. Then he glared at her and told her to stop. Se kept it up. By now he had the starts of a big bruise on his thigh. When she swung it back at him again he blocked it with his foot causing it to pop open. Her lunch fell all over the floor and her thermos went flying and smashed inside. The school called me at home telling me that my son had vandalized someone else's property and that I needed to buy that girl a new lunch box and thermos. I told them I would speak with my son, hear his version of what happened and call them back the next day. When my son got home, he told me what happen. He had a huge rectangular shaped bruise on his thigh to prove his version of what happened. I called the school the next day and said that I would not be replacing the girl's lunchbox and my son didn't vandalize anything. I said "That girl assaulted my son on school property and you are trying to condone it. I will not support sexism against my son just for being male. I won't condone you sending that little girl the message that it is okay for her to hit others." They were shocked at what I said, but they really couldn't argue when I brought my son into the office in shorts and showed them his bruise.

Fighting REAL injustice is the right thing to do, creating injustice in your head that doesn't exist is very unhealthy.

 

[JonJack]

Originally posted by Wyldfire
Fighting REAL injustice is the right thing to do, creating injustice in your head that doesn't exist is very unhealthy.

An injustice is still an injustice whether or not it exists or whether it is only in the mind of a few. Also, I've always believed that something will only be unhealthy if it becomes detrimental to the person doing it. If a person is perfectly fine and dandy trying to solve all the world's ills that does not even exist, I'm not going to try and point out the folly of that person's methods of doing things.

 

[Wyldfire]

Originally posted by JonJack
An injustice is still an injustice whether or not it exists or whether it is only in the mind of a few. Also, I've always believed that something will only be unhealthy if it becomes detrimental to the person doing it. If a person is perfectly fine and dandy trying to solve all the world's ills that does not even exist, I'm not going to try and point out the folly of that person's methods of doing things.

Well, I'm talking about obsessive "ill seeking" that causes the person to be negative, miserable. It's also really uncool when it leads to that person accusing innocent people of wrongdoing when they haven't done anything.

 

[CrotchSniffer]

What the hell is wrong with you guys?

I bet if the Almighty POOK wrote this thread, you would all be lining up to slobber on his balls. Funny how some things never change...a girl writes something that is spot on and you all line up to flame. Says a lot about your lack of game, fellas.

My 2 cents:

Feminism was the result of sexual liberation and civil rights movement taken too far. B!tches coulda stopped at the right to vote, but NOOOOOO, they had to compete with men in the workplace and reverse the flow of nature by becoming the dominant players in relationships.

Now the pendulum has swung in the other direction and you have "Masculism". Guys are plain tired of women trying to wear the pants and not embracing their natural roles as the nurturers and weavers of the fabric of society. In the end, it's totally understandable that there is a lot of animosity.

You see a lot of this in Western culture, where women are raised to be "strong" and "liberated". The end result is a bunch of spoiled wh0res who don't know how to take care of their man or value their own sexuality.

I think the problem arises when we try to establish equality of the sexes. While neither gender is superior, it is sheer folly to consider man and woman equal. We are too different to be pitted against each other, and that is society's failing. Instead of celebrating our differences and dancing in step with each other, the genders have resorted to a sad pissing contest which is far from over.

I feel it will take a radical shift in society's thinking in order to put the pendulum at a standstill. It may take years or decades, but I am optimistic that it will happen eventually...nature always restores the equilibrium.

It may seem irrelevant, but this is the attitude that gets me laid all the time. Why make an enemy of Woman, when she is far more suited as a lover?

Next time you deal with a lady, be it online, on the phone or in the flesh, drop this whole "Us vs.Them" mentality. It is a huge waste of time and energy. At the end of the day, no one wants to sleep with a whiny pvssy.

But of course, that's just my opinion.

 

[Wyldfire]

Men and women are supposed to compliment each other, not compete against each other in some stupid gender war. It's, well...gay.

Nice post Crotch Sniffer...

 

[Plain & Simple]

Im not surprised that it had to be Wyldfire

IT seems to me like she likes to argue with every person in this site, its not the first thread and it wont be the last, she is always fighting and arguing her point even when she is wrong.

Every time i see her post the thread turns to be a fight weather is hers or somebody elses.

 

[Wyldfire]

Originally posted by Plain & Simple
Im not surprised that it had to be Wyldfire

IT seems to me like she likes to argue with every person in this site, its not the first thread and it wont be the last, she is always fighting and arguing her point even when she is wrong.

Every time i see her post the thread turns to be a fight weather is hers or somebody elses.

Well, I'm not fighting with anyone on here. In fact, I've gone through 8 pages of relentless personal attacks and insults without responding in kind. I've shown extreme self-restraint.

I like to debate and discuss issues that are important, thought compelling and yes, sometimes controversial. Such discussions are controversial because they touch the deepest core of the human psyche. To be honest, this forum is usually lacking in genuinely thought compelling discussion lately. And when I post a thread like this it gets a lot of responses and reads for a reason...it forces people to take a closer look at themselves and sometimes what they see isn't so nice or surprises them. Sometimes I make points that show things from a perspective people don't normally look at. Exercise for the brain is a very good thing in a world where we're all surrounded by mind-numbing stimuli.

 

[jprjrjr]

Originally posted by Wyldfire
Well, I'm not fighting with anyone on here. In fact, I've gone through 8 pages of relentless personal attacks and insults without responding in kind. I've shown extreme self-restraint.

I like to debate and discuss issues that are important, thought compelling and yes, sometimes controversial. Such discussions are controversial because they touch the deepest core of the human psyche. To be honest, this forum is usually lacking in genuinely thought compelling discussion lately. And when I post a thread like this it gets a lot of responses and reads for a reason...it forces people to take a closer look at themselves and sometimes what they see isn't so nice or surprises them. Sometimes I make points that show things from a perspective people don't normally look at. Exercise for the brain is a very good thing in a world where we're all surrounded by mind-numbing stimuli.

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.......She treats men like kings. young guys hit on her left and right....her niece is a superb HB10 who turns down professional athletes...Does any of this sound like pure BS to anyone else?????????????????

 

[Wyldfire]

Back to the topic at hand...

One thing feminists like to do it attempt to discredit anyone whose views oppose theirs by bringing up things totally irrelevent to the conversation at hand. They also try to instigate others to attack their chosen target by tricking unsuspecting bystanders into fighting their battles for them. They do this because they know they have no rational or logical argument against the points being made and their only hope at stopping the discussion is to start a pack attack on the person and disrupting the conversation.

This kind of behavior is disgusting in feminists and is equally disgusting in anti-feminists.

 

[BlackJackal]

Originally posted by Wyldfire
Back to the topic at hand...

One thing feminists like to do it attempt to discredit anyone whose views oppose theirs by bringing up things totally irrelevent to the conversation at hand. They also try to instigate others to attack their chosen target by tricking unsuspecting bystanders into fighting their battles for them. They do this because they know they have no rational or logical argument against the points being made and their only hope at stopping the discussion is to start a pack attack on the person and disrupting the conversation.

This kind of behavior is disgusting in feminists and is equally disgusting in anti-feminists.

Women/people like that need a hug.

 

[SELF-MASTERY]

It looks like the feminist have taken down so suave they have us so angry and bitter......