The Art of Seduction Book Study

[BlackJackal]

The Dandy

Most of us feel trapped within the limited roles that the world expects us to play. We are instantly attracted to those who are more fluid, more ambiguous, than we are -those who create their own persona. Dandies excite us because they cannot be categorized, and hint at a freedom we want for ourselves. They play with masculinity and femininity; they fashion their own physical image, which is always startling; they are mysterious and elusive.

They also appeal to the narcissism of each sex: to a woman they are psychologically female, to a man they are male. Dandies fascinate and seduce in large numbers. Use the power of the Dandy to create an ambiguous, alluring presence that stirs repressed desires.​

 

[Reyaj]

I will post my thoughts shortly. What have you all seen or experienced for yourself with this character?

 

[Reyaj]

Ok, it looks like I'm going to be the first to post my analysis.

The first example Greene portrayed was the feminine dandy. He used the Italian immigrant dancer as being attractive to females by the way he dressed (feminine of sort) and by his dance moves. When he finally made it on Cinema his character which while appearing feminine hold a mean streak (almost raping 1 woman he rescued) drove women mad.

Well I can't say I've had much experience in this role minus the mean streak where I'll admit I have treated some girls like **** and they kept wanting me more. But back to the lesson at hand. I guess pretty boys do get girls or at least are friends with a lot of girls. This of course is also true of homosexual men... and I think thats what I associate the dandy with... men who women find non threatning so therefore they open up to.

I'm guessing that luring a woman in by lowering her defenses with this character and then becoming a rake and jumping all over here might be key.....?


As far as the masculine dandy... I think Green is very much right. He described the russian woman Solome as drawing men in with her character even though she was attractive. Looks do matter lets be honest. But haven't you noticed that girls that are good at conversation become even more attractive to you? I certainly have... and then when they do not commit and are hard to grab it makes you want them even more just like for when a DJ plays the coquettry to a woman. The dandy is a male using feminine qualities against the opposite sex, while the female does the same by using masculine qualities against the male.

So what have I learned or feel from this passage? I guess I need to talk to women more and try and get more perosnal with them while maintaining my indepdencne to be attractive. I'm not one for dressing like a metrosexual so I wouldn't say this is the character I will take a lot from.

What does everyone else here think?

 

[BlackJackal]

Well it's not so much as the surface manner, but more of the attitude. A male dandy seduces a woman the way a woman would seduce another woman. (ex: Prince, Dracula) A dandy is nothing like a homosexual, seeing as there are plenty of masculine homosexual men that you would'nt have guessed he was one. A male dandy however is sensual like a woman towards a woman. A homosexual is non threatning because he's a homosexual. He's not interested in a woman cause he likes other men.

It's not about droppin a woman's gaurd at all. On the contrary, they know that this is a man tryin to get on with them, their just more comfortable with his style cause it's similar to their's, instead of the usual male version. The sensuality is what I share as far as the dandy goes, plus the I dont give a fvck attitude. The whole metro thing, I dont deal with, but I'm from the hood so that dont fly with me..lol.

But the sensuality comes in when I'm gettin a woman in the mood. Not as a tactic really. I've always been that way. I see it as being creative when dealin with a female on that level.

A female dandy I believe (ex: Angelina Jolie, Michelle Rodriguez, Foxy Brown) eveyone is familiar with the tomboy concept. Comin up, I knew quiet a few tomboys, good lookin ones at that. They were'nt trying to be boys to the max, they still had plenty of feminine charm, but they had other things to worry about than just girl stuff. (ex: basketball, videogames)

These are women that not only can you have good sex with, but also after you both finish, you can play Tekken or Street Fighter with them and have a worthy opponent. And like us they are comfortable with being distant from their partner or may not want to be committed at all. I find it interesting that a woman like this is never discussed in these forums. All thats spoken about is the same type of woman. I find that being very shortsighted/oblivious with the exceptions that exist when it comes to women.

What it comes down to is that both sexes are narccisistic(sp), and are as attracted to their similar tastes as they are with the others.

 

[Reyaj]

But the sensuality comes in when I'm gettin a woman in the mood. Not as a tactic really. I've always been that way. I see it as being creative when dealin with a female on that level.

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Makes sense.... I guess that is more in line with what he is trying to point out. So can you give an example of how you used this sensuality to put a woman in the mood? I'm guessing if it works... becoming the rake and going all out on her works as a nice compliment...

 

[Reyaj]

bump...... MF where did you go... createreality....

 

[Reyaj]

bumping this up 1 more time..... want to hear some additional input from others. mf, createreality etc...... we need to move on!

 

[Reyaj]

This guy Mystery seems like he fits the Dandy Description

 

[BlackJackal]

This guy Mystery seems like he fits the Dandy Description

Yep he's a dandy alright.

 

[BlackJackal]

Makes sense.... I guess that is more in line with what he is trying to point out. So can you give an example of how you used this sensuality to put a woman in the mood? I'm guessing if it works... becoming the rake and going all out on her works as a nice compliment...

Of course it works. Sensuality is just about your 5 senses. Being very affectionate is all there is to it. To a woman thats pretty much pre-sex (foreplay rather).

 

[Microphone Fiend]

hmm never really met a masculine dandy. I figure it would be one of those sensitive, high couture guys that always have women whispering to each other about his sexual preference. Possibly with a hint of sadism or anger so he does not come off as a pvssy or pushover. The only person really coming to mind is Andre 3000 and that is pushing it. In a world of overly masculinized rappers, he is not a full blown female but has feminine characteristics, ie: soft features, his attire, sings instead of raps.

Masculine dandys imo go a step beyond tomboys coz when you crack a tomboy's shell, in private they are likely to be as feminine as ever. If you crack a feminine dandy's shell, u'll probably realize they are like your prototypical guy... some emotion but dont expect a fullblown re-enactment of The Notebook. I think these girls are deadly when you go in with some kind of expectation or try and play the dominant male role only to have it reversed.

 

[Reyaj]

hmm never really met a masculine dandy. I figure it would be one of those sensitive, high couture guys that always have women whispering to each other about his sexual preference. Possibly with a hint of sadism or anger so he does not come off as a pvssy or pushover. The only person really coming to mind is Andre 3000 and that is pushing it. In a world of overly masculinized rappers, he is not a full blown female but has feminine characteristics, ie: soft features, his attire, sings instead of raps.

Masculine dandys imo go a step beyond tomboys coz when you crack a tomboy's shell, in private they are likely to be as feminine as ever. If you crack a feminine dandy's shell, u'll probably realize they are like your prototypical guy... some emotion but dont expect a fullblown re-enactment of The Notebook. I think these girls are deadly when you go in with some kind of expectation or try and play the dominant male role only to have it reversed.

I think that both sex dandys are true to their character because that's what's natural to them. I agree to the extent that masculine and feminine danies are really female or male at heart and their core characteristics reflect this. IE: a masculine dandy would cry seeing the notebook if she allows herself to become focused on it. a feminine dandy would punch another guy in the face if he got angry enough.



Shall we move on to the next character ?

 

[Reyaj]

good to have you aboard mctwist. Plase feel free to chime in on any of the characters we've covered thus far.

Shall we move on gentleman?

 

[BlackJackal]

Yeah lets move on.

 

[Create Reality]

The Natural: A conscious play on innocence to make the other person let their guard down. Shares some tactics with the Siren type in a way because the mark has to let go of their inhibitions.

 

[Reyaj]

Very true Create. Let's all read this character and post our thoughts + real world applications.

Again once we finish the first part of this book which are the characters, I'd like us all to post our thoughts in a summary

ie: which characters you relate with the best and how have exhibiting these qualities helped your game in real life. Have any features of other characters been displayed by you as well and if so how.....

I personally am going to post what I've learned from the discussion thus far.

 

[Reyaj]

So I started reading the Natural and my thoughts so far is that for a spoiled chick I definitely see how guys are attracted to her. The good thing about this forum is it teaches us to have respect for ourselves and not go out of our way to please a chick if she is no reciprocating.

The example used for the male like Charlie Chaplin seems to draw people's attention but I don't know how this is attractive to girls you want to bed.

Charlie Chaplin to my knowledge was never seen as a sex symbol.

What are all your thoughts?

 

[Reyaj]

bump

 

[Reyaj]

ok so I read through the Natural Chapter. I think its similar to the siren for women... in that there is innocence mixed with sexuality causing the attraction. This is displayed by the african american dancer in Paris and the spoiled girl getting attention with Emma Coach. I think learning the DJ methods help us avoid the spoiled biatches and say "neeeext" lol

But as far as attracting females... again I dont see how Charlie Chaplin was ever a sex symbol. The try to describe Genji fitting this mold..... but his actions seem more rakish that natural.

When I've tried to be "cute" with girls I have gotten criticsim on not being man enough etc..... so for me thus far the Natural doesn't seem like something I could employ.

Have any of you had success with natural tactics? What are your opinions of its character and its application to success with women?

 

[BlackJackal]

ok so I read through the Natural Chapter. I think its similar to the siren for women... in that there is innocence mixed with sexuality causing the attraction. This is displayed by the african american dancer in Paris and the spoiled girl getting attention with Emma Coach. I think learning the DJ methods help us avoid the spoiled biatches and say "neeeext" lol

But as far as attracting females... again I dont see how Charlie Chaplin was ever a sex symbol. The try to describe Genji fitting this mold..... but his actions seem more rakish that natural.

When I've tried to be "cute" with girls I have gotten criticsim on not being man enough etc..... so for me thus far the Natural doesn't seem like something I could employ.

Have any of you had success with natural tactics? What are your opinions of its character and its application to success with women?

What do you mean by trying to be cute?