The Art of Seduction Book Study

[BlackJackal]

The Natural

Childhood is the golden paradise we are always consciously or unconsciously trying to re-create. The Natural embodies the longed for qualities of childhood-spontaneity, sincerity, unpretentiousness. In the presence of Naturals, we feel at ease, caught up in their playful spirit, transported back to that golden age. Naturals also make a virtue out of weakness, eliciting out sympathy for their trials, making us want to protect them and help them. As with a child, much of this is natural, but some of it is exaggerated, a conscious seductive maneuver. Adopt the pose of the Natural to neutralize people's natural defensiveness and infect them with helpless delight.

 

[Reyaj]

What do you mean by trying to be cute?

Well doing childish things like blowing bubbles in my soda, talking in a baby voice, dancing rediculously etc...

From my experiences it seems like girls want a man.... and not someone that resembles a child.

BJ what is your opinion on the chatper and it's real world uses?

 

[BlackJackal]

Well doing childish things like blowing bubbles in my soda, talking in a baby voice, dancing rediculously etc...

From my experiences it seems like girls want a man.... and not someone that resembles a child.

BJ what is your opinion on the chatper and it's real world uses?

What the hell made you do any of that...lol. I believe that we also have to add in the dangers of each character.

A childish quality can be charming but it can also be irritating; the innocent have not experience of the world, and their sweetness can prove cloying. In Milan Kundera's novel The Book of Laughter and Forgetting, the hero dreams that he is trapped o an island with a group of children. Soon their wonderful qualities become intensely annoying to him; after a few days of exposure to them he cannot relate to them at all. The dream turns into a nightmare, and he longs to be back among the adults, with real things to do and talk about.
Because total childishness can quickly grate, the most seductive Naturals are those who, like Josephine Baker, combine adult experience and wisdom with a childlike manner. It is this mixture of qualities that is most alluring.

 

[Reyaj]

Exactly. My point with this chapter is just that I don't think childlike qualities give women a sexual attraction. Again if you have any examples you've experienced that show this please share....

 

[BlackJackal]

Exactly. My point with this chapter is just that I don't think childlike qualities give women a sexual attraction. Again if you have any examples you've experienced that show this please share....

Hmmm cant really say I do, seein as being natural equats to being who I am. It's not something you can just "try" to be. If you got to try to be something you're not, than you're really not being natural at all. Like I said before, dont worry about trying every little thing in this book. Just find where you actually fit and go from there.

 

[Microphone Fiend]

childish qualities are like boyish charm. Just the ability to have fun with everything, make a game out of whatever, etc. Tyler Duerden from fastseduction had a field report game called "project mayhem' i think where he would just open a girl by randomly hitting her with something like a newspaper or a peach or whatever and starting a playful environment. That is what i think of when I hear about childish qualities. Someone who throws away the societal rules of what is acceptable in exchange for having lots of fun

 

[Reyaj]

Agreed!

Shall we move onto the next character....

 

[Reyaj]

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[xdreamz]

dude i'm so glad this thread has been made

everything i see is in the world of seduction, and I too have been relating the techniques to the things in the book. i find some resemblence

the siren is identifiable by her speech. it screams pleasure and naughtiness.. it is oozing with sexuality but has innocence as well. they use their sensuality to attract.

the rake... is a fiesty fellow. the bad boy...he is dangerous. he goes for what he wants with no hesitation. have you ever burned for desire for a women? try it...see how much she loves it. he has a sense of danger and darkness to him...the rake uses WORDS...that is his main weapon... he uses them to hypnotize (NLP) stir emotions & insinuate ideas (DHV storytelling, SOI, push/pull) confuse, and elevate, sarcastic & witty humor.

the dandy is a jerk. he pleases by not pleasing....he'll say stuff like you're wierd, or kinda horrifying. "to a man they are man, but to a women they are a women" they excite us.

the ideal lover is not easily found, they are rare to find because times are changing. he aims at the imagination... he compliments on something that you needed the most validation from... he finds what you are missing in life and provides it for you.


the natural is innocence. ever walk around and be totally clueless to what was going around and people laugh at you? that's because they were drawn to your innocence. basically, the impish natural will try to exagerrate things and make a big deal out of small things in a childish way...... he'll say your name in a teasingly way, being spontaneous, playing on innocence. another natural is the "the wonder"... the boy that could play piano 10000 miles per hour

 

[Reyaj]

dude i'm so glad this thread has been made

everything i see is in the world of seduction, and I too have been relating the techniques to the things in the book. i find some resemblence

the siren is identifiable by her speech. it screams pleasure and naughtiness.. it is oozing with sexuality but has innocence as well. they use their sensuality to attract.

the rake... is a fiesty fellow. the bad boy...he is dangerous. he goes for what he wants with no hesitation. have you ever burned for desire for a women? try it...see how much she loves it. he has a sense of danger and darkness to him...the rake uses WORDS...that is his main weapon... he uses them to hypnotize (NLP) stir emotions & insinuate ideas (DHV storytelling, SOI, push/pull) confuse, and elevate, sarcastic & witty humor.

the dandy is a jerk. he pleases by not pleasing....he'll say stuff like you're wierd, or kinda horrifying. "to a man they are man, but to a women they are a women" they excite us.

the ideal lover is not easily found, they are rare to find because times are changing. he aims at the imagination... he compliments on something that you needed the most validation from... he finds what you are missing in life and provides it for you.


the natural is innocence. ever walk around and be totally clueless to what was going around and people laugh at you? that's because they were drawn to your innocence. basically, the impish natural will try to exagerrate things and make a big deal out of small things in a childish way...... he'll say your name in a teasingly way, being spontaneous, playing on innocence. another natural is the "the wonder"... the boy that could play piano 10000 miles per hour

Glad to have you onboard man. Appreciate your insight. If you have any real world examples to relate this material please share....

I've been a little busy but I've been ready to move onto the next character. Just want everyones consent!

 

[Reyaj]

Wow, good thread. Started reading this book last week, it's really good. As far as the seducer types, I found that I approximate the Coquette more than anything else. Reading through this thread it seems people think the Coquette is a feminine character, when that's not the case. The thing with the Coquette is you need to be able to spend a lot of time with the person you are trying to seduce in order for it to work, and the way I do it is by giving/taking away my attention, which only makes them want it more. Of course the problem with this type is that you are passive, so you need to mix in some other things to maintain interest and attraction (I like to use the occasional neg-hit, which maintains the mystery of the Coquette).

But I think Greene hit the nail on the head when he described why the Coquette is so alluring to women: he radiates confidence. He doesn't need validation from others, he's so confident in his own skin that he's completely fulfilled just being himself. This attracts women because they see him as a confident guy, and when he talks to them he seems so in control of his sexuality and his emotions that it drives them wild.

The problem with the Coquette though is that, as a personality type, he doesn't do much pursuing. This is something I think we as DJs need to do (the pursuing), because otherwise your target will just lose interest. Also, this isn't the kind of thing that can be pulled off in a bar or club situation very effectively unless you build up some INTENSE initial interest.

Good to have you involved man! Reading your description gave me somewhat of an ephiany as far as my success with women. I also play the coquette... though I noticed that my passiveness ends up losing women in the end. What is the right balance between a seductive coquette and an afc???

That was great analysis btw.

but doesn't spending a lot of time with a woman defeat the purpose of the coquette? Any real world examples you can share would be appreciated.

 

[BlackJackal]

Well you have to put in enough time to make yourself memorable. Thats the whole trick to it. Then when you're absent, your target will spend time thinking of you more.

You never miss your water till your well runs dry.

Pursuing is important, but it's over rated. Real power comes from makin them come to you. You cant help but have the upperhand in that case.

 

[Reyaj]

Good description....

 

[Reyaj]

Sorry its taken me a while to respond.... I think the coquette fits the DJ/SoSuave Philosophy the best so I am all for spending as much time on this character as necessary.

Loacker... the epiphany I had while reading your post was something I've been dealing with lately per my approach journal (please feel free to read and advise) and with just women in general.

"But I think Greene hit the nail on the head when he described why the Coquette is so alluring to women: he radiates confidence. He doesn't need validation from others, he's so confident in his own skin that he's completely fulfilled just being himself. This attracts women because they see him as a confident guy, and when he talks to them he seems so in control of his sexuality and his emotions that it drives them wild."

Basically my problem is overanalyzing too much if a girl doesn't like me... or if I don't have the success I want. I think its important to not be so outcome dependent and just be confident and happy in my own skin.... That way if girls are stupid.... (which many are) it doesn't affect my confidence which lead me to be overall happy and will hopefully lead to more success with women overall....

Just a theory I have at this point

 

[Reyaj]

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[Reyaj]

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[Reyaj]

Microphone waiting for your input.....

 

[DjVelvet]

I've justed started to read AoS, i will place my input soon.

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[Reyaj]

I think the Coquette chapter is closlely related with the DJ principles taught on this site.

It's all about being hot and cold, hot and cold..... making the girl work for your pleasure.

That is the key here though. You must give the girl pleasure of some sort before you can play this wicked game. I can speak for myself and speculate to a lot of others on here are playing the game wrong. I know that when I try and act uninterested.... or not available it doesn't always work. The reason must be that I didn't provide pleasure of some sort to begin with.

So that is what I think the focus should be here.... how do you give a girl pleasure... so that you can give and take it away..... driving her mad for you...

 

[Reyaj]

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