Stick at it or give up?

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st_99 said:
Do you think you might be in danger of treating your wife like crap because you miss this other girl and the great young chic sex?

I would bet a lot of money that your marriage will end within the next couple years.
Most men that have affairs treat their wives 100% better due to guilt/overcompensation. As a matter of fact that's one of the markers of infidelity, sudden attentiveness.

As for my marriage ending within the next couple of years, hell people have been saying that since we announced it. That was 20 years ago. Most of the folks that said it are divorced now.

Here's a thought let's try unringing the bell - why doesn't everyone just pretend I never said I was married and that this was a girlfriend and not a mistress, and offer advice in that context :whistle:
 

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st I'd be willing to bet that this man is smart enough to not let it end. in fact I'd bet my future promiscuity on it ... ie ... if he gets busted, I'll stop cheating myself.... its about respect, he's showed his wife it and he will not get fvcked as a result.
 

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st I'd be willing to bet that this man is smart enough to not let it end. in fact I'd bet my future promiscuity on it ... ie ... if he gets busted, I'll stop cheating myself.... its about respect, he's showed his wife it and he will not get fvcked as a result.
 

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st I'd be willing to bet that this man is smart enough to not let it end. in fact I'd bet my future promiscuity on it ... ie ... if he gets busted, I'll stop cheating myself.... its about respect, he's showed his wife it and he will not get fvcked as a result.
 

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In my last marriage, I was freakin' WARD CLEAVER. (Apologies to those who don't know.) I got up in the morning, went to work, and came home. I did my best to make sure my family was well provided for, and that my wife got to do what she wanted, and had fun, and I nailed her aggressively and very frequently, and did all th sh*t that a guy's "supposed" to do. It still went to sh*t. I might as well have taken up all the offers I'd gotten along the way. I might as well have hit the stuff I wanted to, but didn't. The results would have been the same.
Never been married myself, but the most sickening feeling in a relationship besides getting cheated on, is realizing that you passed up opportunities when she DIDN'T.

Now of course you never know if your wife or g/f is going to cheat. We all hope that they won't, and we probably wouldn't be with them if we thought they would go that route.

Thing is, the guilt you might feel from having cheated on a girl who WAS (possibly) faithful to you, is not even comparable to finding out that your girl cheated on YOU.

I have never cheated on anyone.

I kissed another girl right after I got a g/f one time (more like she kissed me so it didnt really count as ANYTHING), and I sucked on another chicks t!ts one night AFTER I found out that my g/f at the time had cheated on ME. I was a chump for staying with her, but it did make me feel just a LITTLE bit better when she was calling all over town the next day looking for me after I had just spent the night with another chick. Sometimes revenge is sweet.....

Anyway, I don't necessarily subscribe to the "fukk whatever, whenever" mentality, but with the odds of her cheating on you being fairly high it makes you question why you wouldn't take advantage of a situation from time to time.
 

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Eddie417 said:
A 3 year fling in the context of a 20 year marriage is not a pattern. And 3 years of wild sex handed to me on a platter by a very hot more than a decade younger than myself isn't something I'm going to try and justify to a group of healthy heterosexual men. The fact that she was my best friend (albeit a friendship predicated on an unrealistic situation) just colored things.

I'm going to miss it like hell but trust me, it's done.
Ahhhh,..NOW we're getting somewhere. DJ Math time again gentlemen. 39 years old minus 20 years of marriage breaks down to,...wait for it,..a wedding at the tender age of 19. And we're all frenetically typing away at our keyboards self-righteously wondering how a guy who loves his wife could be tempted into a 3 year affair with a hot, sexually available 29 y.o.?


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You need a reason? How about you like having sex with many different women. You don't just suddenly not like that because you got married! You resist that desire each and every day because you think she's worth it!
I couldn't have stated it better myself.

Do you think maybe if someone had dissueded EDDIE from marrying his GF a year out of high school he'd have had more opportunity to realistically experience sex with a variety of women through his 20s? Here's the reason for his infidelity - he limited himself to one woman for 17 years (all through his 20s and the better part of his 30s) until 3 years ago (at 36) he's confronted with a real opportunity to experience sex with a younger, hotter, more sexually available woman. Do you think if someone had told him not to even consider monogamy until 30, he listened, and had experienced spinning plates for a good portion of his 20s he'd have been less inclined to 'cheat'?

Now, I have no doubt that EDDIE will respond by extolling the virtues of his wife and how much her loves her, but love isn't the issue here. For all the love, respect, and worth his wife has meritted over 20 years, it was still not enough conviction to trump his sense of missing out on (up to then)17 years of maturing as an adult man independent of a woman. And even 3 years after this (or within this time) he's still considering reestablishing sexual contact with his mistress.

I'm more than likely missing a lot of detail in EDDIEs personal conditions. We have a tendency to pass over less than flattering truths about ourselves in these situations, however his story follows a VERY common pattern in society today. Guys who've never been married for as long or in an LTR will only naturally cry foul and leap to their soap boxes to call ED a scoundrel and self-righteously social-proof themselves as being incorruptable in such a way, but they miss the point. I have no doubt that ED, at 19, felt exactly the same way, and perhaps at many other stages of life too after hearing about a man in a similar situation.

I'm not excusing the behavior. When you make a promise, you ought to keep it in spite of circumstance - it just makes you a liar when you renege on it - yet here we are. What I'm focusing on is the reasons leading up to the behavior, the unmet desire that prompts it and the considerations for it after the fact. I made the mistake of assuming EDs marriage was sexless, but that wasn't it. According to the OP she's too "reserved", but this may not always have been the case over 20 years. What we do know is that after 17 of those 20 years of, I'll assume again, faithful fidelity and banging the only woman he's ever been with, ED was presented with the opportunity to bang a hot, younger woman. Comparitively speaking she could be mediocre in bed and still sexually out-perform his wife based on no other criteria than she's somenone different.
 

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Rollo Tomassi said:
Ahhhh,..NOW we're getting somewhere. DJ Math time again gentlemen. 39 years old minus 20 years of marriage breaks down to,...wait for it,..a wedding at the tender age of 19. And we're all frenetically typing away at our keyboards self-righteously wondering how a guy who loves his wife could be tempted into a 3 year affair with a hot, sexually available 29 y.o.?
Sorry bro but you're 0 for 2.

In addition to never saying my marriage was sexless I also stated I was older than my displayed age. Since I'm discussing an affair in a public forum details are going to be a tad light, it has nothing to do with trying to cast anyone in a specific light, it's just common sense. I'd apologize for not giving more details but I'm just playing it safe, and besides some folk can't seem to read and/or remember the 3 or 4 details I have given, burdening them with more at this point seems somewhat counter-intuitive.
 

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Eddie417 said:
Here's a thought let's try unringing the bell - why doesn't everyone just pretend I never said I was married and that this was a girlfriend and not a mistress, and offer advice in that context :whistle:
Azanon had an astute analysis--EDDIE'S former mistress was in the midst of an apparent emotional meltdown, the reasons for which are really irrelevant to the discussion. Her inevitable desire to have him as her OWN--more than a friend or sex pal--came and she decided to withhold the thing she knew he loved the most in attempt to have him 24/7 and satiate some emotional hole she had insider her. Its been said here before, affairs and/or sex pal relationships have a shelf life.

That being said, any further interaction with her is only likely to pull EDDIE into her whirlwind and possibly bring about disasterous consequnces in his life. He knew this before he even posted here, he just needed to hear it from someone else to edify his own intuition.
 

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Colossus said:
Its been said here before, affairs and/or sex pal relationships have a shelf life.
I forgot about this aspect, I think you should be happy that it lasted this long, 3 years is a very good run for a FB, I've only got one or two FB's that I nailed more than 3 years ago that I still sleep with. Now I can go months without seeing them but when I'm in town, I'm hitting it but there is definately only so long that you can tap it with no committments before it MUST end.

I say simply move on at this point and start looking for a new affair.
 

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Rollo Tomassi said:
I couldn't have stated it better myself.

Do you think maybe if someone had dissueded EDDIE from marrying his GF a year out of high school he'd have had more opportunity to realistically experience sex with a variety of women through his 20s? Here's the reason for his infidelity - he limited himself to one woman for 17 years (all through his 20s and the better part of his 30s) until 3 years ago (at 36) he's confronted with a real opportunity to experience sex with a younger, hotter, more sexually available woman. Do you think if someone had told him not to even consider monogamy until 30, he listened, and had experienced spinning plates for a good portion of his 20s he'd have been less inclined to 'cheat'?

Now, I have no doubt that EDDIE will respond by extolling the virtues of his wife and how much her loves her, but love isn't the issue here. For all the love, respect, and worth his wife has meritted over 20 years, it was still not enough conviction to trump his sense of missing out on (up to then)17 years of maturing as an adult man independent of a woman. And even 3 years after this (or within this time) he's still considering reestablishing sexual contact with his mistress.

I'm more than likely missing a lot of detail in EDDIEs personal conditions. We have a tendency to pass over less than flattering truths about ourselves in these situations, however his story follows a VERY common pattern in society today. Guys who've never been married for as long or in an LTR will only naturally cry foul and leap to their soap boxes to call ED a scoundrel and self-righteously social-proof themselves as being incorruptable in such a way, but they miss the point. I have no doubt that ED, at 19, felt exactly the same way, and perhaps at many other stages of life too after hearing about a man in a similar situation.
On account of Eddie's clarification, I'm sure you realize its not necessary for me to rebut this now.

I'm not excusing the behavior. When you make a promise, you ought to keep it in spite of circumstance - it just makes you a liar when you renege on it - yet here we are. What I'm focusing on is the reasons leading up to the behavior, the unmet desire that prompts it and the considerations for it after the fact. I made the mistake of assuming EDs marriage was sexless, but that wasn't it. According to the OP she's too "reserved", but this may not always have been the case over 20 years. What we do know is that after 17 of those 20 years of, I'll assume again, faithful fidelity and banging the only woman he's ever been with, ED was presented with the opportunity to bang a hot, younger woman. Comparitively speaking she could be mediocre in bed and still sexually out-perform his wife based on no other criteria than she's somenone different.
I could rebut the hell out of this, but I'm not going to. We've been through this before anyway. I know I can't win a popularity contest on this issue, so I'm not going to try.

I think its honorable that you remain faithful with your wife and that you are fully satisfied. You can't ask for anything more than that. Contentment is what we all strive for in all areas of our lives.
 

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Bottom line is this....

You were a d1ck, a royal fvckhead, for cheating on your wife of 20 years, the mother of your children, risking your entire family, all so that you could get a little somethin somethin on the side. I have no respect for someone who does that. You want to fvck other broads? Get a divorce or don't get married in the first place.

Furthermore, your reasons for engaging in this adultress conjoination are lame at best, and dispicable at worst! Boo hoo, your marriage hit a rough spot for 3 months....OUT OF 20 YEARS! What is that? 1 % of the time you two have spent together? So what? Now every time you two get into a spat it's going to be your signal to cheat? Boo hoo, my wife wasn't wild enough for me in bed..so tell her that! Work on it! You my friend are weak and pitiful, and yet you dare prance around this forum like you are some super stud banging these younger shesluts.

As for your F buddy friend..who the fvck cares what she thinks at this point! But, you obviously do so...My advice is to get a divorce, let your wife have some self respect so she doesn't have to look at your sorry azz everyday thinking you have been faithful to her, and go be with your cheating wh0re gf. You two obviously deserve each other, because both of you lack any moral fiber whatsoever. You should be ashamed.

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You were a d1ck, a royal fvckhead, for cheating on your wife of 20 years, the mother of your children, risking your entire family, all so that you could get a little somethin somethin on the side. I have no respect for someone who does that. You want to fvck other broads? Get a divorce or don't get married in the first place.

Furthermore, your reasons for engaging in this adultress conjoination are lame at best, and dispicable at worst! Boo hoo, your marriage hit a rough spot for 3 months....OUT OF 20 YEARS! What is that? 1 % of the time you two have spent together? So what? Now every time you two get into a spat it's going to be your signal to cheat? Boo hoo, my wife wasn't wild enough for me..so tell her that! Work on it! You my friend are weak and pitiful, and yet you dare prance around this forum like you are some super stud banging these younger shesluts.

As for your F buddy friend..who the fvck cares what she thinks at this point! But, you obviously do so...My advice is to get a divorce, let your wife have some self respect so she doesn't have to look at your sorry azz everyday thinking you have been faithful to her, and go be with your cheating wh0re gf. You two obviously deserve each other, because both of you lack any moral fiber whatsoever. You should be ashamed.

I love the morality police.




Cheating has been around since the beginning of time. Your granddad was banging some other skank while your grandma was home changing your daddy's diapers.

The difference between now and then is optics. Technology has changed so much that its talked about a lot more than it was back then. I've listened to stories of 70 year olds and it went on.

The difference was, the women back then never chose to keep their blinders on a little more and men in turn, didn't throw it in their face like what happens more often now.

How do you think marriages lasted so long before? Do you think people were really monogamous? Your a complete idiot if you do.

Its all about respect, what a women doesn't know doesn't hurt her. Now if your dumb enough to fall in love with a 2nd women, then you deserve the sh1t parade that will follow. If I was married for 15 years, I would likely forgive a cheating wife as long as it wasn't a serious relationship, and was willing to go back to being a devoted wife.
 

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CordonCordon, OUT OF LEFT FIELD!! Hahaha

Funny thing. My stepfather cheated on my mother around 12 years ago. She found letters from the mistress in the trunk of his car. I asked him recently why he did it. He said "you live and learn". I asked if he regretted it and he said no, it was a learning process. I can't...for the life of me understand why he didn't regret it. I still don't. Our whole family was split in two. My mother was left with a most of the financial responsibilities when he left. (Hahaha he roomed up with some strippers and pornstars) She was left with the kids. He made a decision that changed our lives for the worst, and most of us are still cleaning up after his mess. He married her at 35 after 1 failed marriage and a kid.

Eddie, when it all comes crashing down (due to YOUR actions and no one elses) it's going to affect your family in the worst way. I was a child who had to see my mother cry every night for years after the separation. When he told me it was for the best, I didn't understand. I was angry. I didn't respect or like him for years after that.

People who says it's for the best have no idea until it happens. It'll be along time before they realize it was "for the best" when things don't work out with your wife.

I don't get this "I'm so mature that I realize I'm not even accountable for my natural instincts" attitude. What are you, fu*king apes?
 

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Hey Macavoy, considering your the guy who moved in with some girl that you barely knew, fvcked some strippers at the same time, and has a WILLINGNESS AND EAGERNESS to engage in a threesome, with ANOTHER GUY I might add, your response is pretty par for the course.

So carry on!

And people wonder why this country's moral fiber is going right down the toilet.
 

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I didn't move in with any girl, I went to visit her for a couple of weeks. Like I said above, cheating isn't new, its been happening just as long as your beloved country has been around.
 

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"Do you know why you're gay? :)"

Sorry, I couldn't resist. Anyways, no matter what your outlook, your wife, if she did find out, would think you're full of sh!t. I wouldn't suggest trying to justify yourself to her in anyway. You broke a rule, dude. Enough of people here trying to make you feel better about what you did. You've gotten enough of that.
 

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Agreed TM. Amazed so many here are condoning, almost encouraging this guys behavior.

Hardly a gentleman, or DJ, way of behaving imo.

And yeah yeah I know that the OP didn't ask about his marriage and what he could do for that. But imo it's like a guy who commits double murder and goes on some forum asking how he can get out of being prosecuted. Of course I'm sure there would be people helping that guy out as well.
 

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Heh, but It actually made me think of my relationship with my stepfather when CordonCordon talked about being a total prick, and Eddie making excuses for his poor behavior. (I mean I don't think he's actually making "excuses", but his whole shrugged attitude is what gets me) I mean me and my stepfather are cool now, but back then...

...I wished God would had struck him dead.
 

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There is some truth in the harsh judgment cast by some of you guys but it's overdone.

Consider the water we swim in: this is without a doubt a Puritanical culture. Amazingly, people can and do create alternate lifestyles even within a culture
that does not support freedom of thought and experimentation.

But it's tough. I would probably be wasting my time to ask for compassion and understanding for those who in the course of finding their way in the world feel the need to push outside the boundaries they find confining.

It's easy to say, you made an agreement to play by this and thus set of rules so too bad if now you want to have your cake and eat it too.

I say that some of us subscribed to a set of rules and conditions for a whole variety of reasons that for some of us don't take into account the reality of all our needs, but we don't know that when we sign on.

Get a divorce you say. Sure, that may work for some but not for others.

Take responsibility for the chaos and pain you will cause by being "selfish", you say. Perhaps, but more likely you are taking the very valid judgment of your own experience and PROJECTING it onto someone else who never asked for your judgment.

Fair enough that when someone posts here they have to be ready to hear any and all reactions. But this is not a church where guys come in looking to be judged, shamed, and condemned.

I see it as place where guys come in to tell their story and hopefully get support and wisdom to help them on their way. Tough love is one thing but condemnation is another.
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

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