Francisco d'Anconia said:
Exactly in what circumstances is it advantageous to get into a physical struggle with a police officer?
Way to clip my post and not read the entire thing, because I already addressed your question. Lemme ask...do cops never assault civilians and initiate struggles? Do cops never jump on top of someone and instinctively yell "stop resisting" even if the person isnt? Do cops never lie on police reports and frame innocent people?
EX officer Slager gets no benefit of the doubt after what hes done. Here's a question...exactly in what circumstances should I believe that a murderous liar did't initiate the physical struggle with the person he killed? Why shouldn't I believe Slager is completely at fault considering his attempted and failed coverup?
Stagger Lee said:
1. Because it's not true, twice as many whites are killed by police facts-cops-kill-whites-at-almost-double-the-rate-that-cops-kill-blacks/
2. I've pointed out before that "minorities" commit a disproportionate rate of violent crime.
3. Whites being still 62% of the population and an even higher rate of the proportion qualified to be cops means more white cops. Therefore whites will have to shoot more suspects of all races.
There's a reason I post things that you label bigoted or racial. It's to counter all the racial misinformation you spew.
1. Learn to read with comprehension. I said that in these cases of UNARMED civilians being killed by police, the cases are overwhelmingly white officer - minority victim. And btw minority =/= black only...so why are you so stuck on just black people?
Your own link shows that even if we are not only talking about unarmed deaths, that according to the government statistics minorities are disproportionately killed by officers compared to white civilians. And let me repeat minorities mean ALL non-whites. Plus it makes sense that white, 70% of the population, would make up the majority of police killings.
But it still doesnt explain why a disproportionate amount of minorities (latinos, blacks, etc) are killed by police. And I repeat most UNARMED victims are minorities. Tamir Rice, Jessica Hernandez, John Crawford III, Eric Garner, Akai Gurley, Walter Scott ...etc...all killed in the last year. All unarmed.
Find me as many white UNARMED killings by police. And in all of these situations the police fvked up bad and killed someone who didnt deserve it. There are many more situations like those too. Find me as many stories of white people killed while unarmed in this country in the past year. For every unarmed white person, there's more unarmed minorities killed by cops...and thats a hell of a disproportionate situation.
2. What the hell does the crime rate have to do with this discussion? Is that your excuse any time a policeman acts criminally? Is that your response whenever youre told the fact that abuse and death by cop disproportionately affects non-whites. The fact that many criminals are minorities makes it ok that cops beat and kill a lot of innocent people?
How do you explain the revenue scam by Ferguson PD? What about the Philadelphia man who would have done 5 to 10 years in prison if it werent for a store surveilance tape. Hell, the guy got beat down and put in the hospital, and the cops had the nerve to lie and set him up for prison. How do crime rates explain away such corruption?
3. The point is that whites dont have to deal with non-whites and potential bias from non-white officers policing their neighborhoods. You dont see these stories in the news because they dont exist. And with the way many white cops behave and speak, simply shrugging and saying "whites will shoot more people of all races" is just a crap response.
There are too many instances of white cops getting caught doing discriminatory things. Its become too obvious to many in the country that there is a
pattern of poor policing going on. A pattern that negatively impacts minorities at a greater rate and greater severity than it impacts white communities.
The (partially, almost no place is all white anymore) white communities have plenty of incompetent female and "minority" cops. That's the thing, "minorities" don't want to work in "minority" communities either. They want and get on the gravy departments, leaving the crap departments for whites. How non-white do you want the police to be when whites still make up 62% of the population and "minorities" have trouble meeting the minimum requirements? How many whites have to be discriminated against till the police are composed of the "right" balance?
And Im STILL waiting for you to quote and explain how anything I said was black supremacist. And Im still waiting for quotes of where I said arrests and trials were good enough in the past but not now for this case. Im waiting.
How is anything youve just said proof that I am a black supremacist?
You made the accusation so prove it. All you are doing is explaining why whites disproportionately make up the bulk of most police forces. And also youre full of sh!t about minority cops. When I visit the places I grew up, many of the cops are minorities. Where the hell do you even live...and where have you even visited where you think you can speak for where minority cops want to work?
Do you talk to law enforcement? huh? Because my father, the attorney, talks to cops all the time. My dad's cousin is a retired IRS agent. He carried a gun and has dealt with all sorts of people in his life. My family is filled with all kinds of people in academia, law, and governmental positions. Youre full of sh!t with this "minorities dont want to be in minority communities" shtick. Many actually want to clean up the places they grew up. You as a white guy should not be as arrogant as to think you can speak for what minorities want.
And again...still waiting for the proof of how anything I said is black supremacist.
Most of the rest of the 1st world is not yet made up of a multicultural, diverse mess like the US is. "Diversity" is the real problem in the US.
Actually parts of Western Europe are very diverse and their cops still dont kill citizens anywhere close to the amount that Americans do.
Anyways, I digress. I must ask myself why I even waste time debating with someone who will either: A) ignore most of what I post and deflect attention onto another issue, or B) make unfounded accusations filled with character attacks and ad hominem.
I should know better. Oh wells
