Should I go to a legal brothel to get more experience?

[needimprovement250]

My recommendation is to solve the problem without paying directly for it. All men do pay for sex, whether directly or indirectly.



Most dates arranged through swipe apps are complete shiit. They aren't worth attending. Most are of the "one date, no sex, no second date" variety.

Cold approaching is not cringe. It is difficult, which is why you need to be testosterone focused. You need to eat healthy foods, lift weights, and not masturbate/watch porn to put yourself in a better position to succeed. Even with doing that, success rates are low. It is a royal pain to be a cold approacher though.

I’m not a big fan of hiring professionals. I also think it might be very expensive.

One thing that sucks for a guy trying to get experience is the (time-related performance) pressure involved. You are either “on the clock” for an hour with a pro (due to the cost), or it’s a similar fast paced “put up or shut up” with a ONS with a regular chick.

The only way around this is to date a chick.

I tend to agree with firstbornunicorn. Maybe meet an older chick online and go on a few dates. Just play the “dry spell” card if the topic of your experience (or lack thereof) comes up. You had sex before, but it’s been a few years due to COVID, busy with work, etc. Then destroy some MILF puzzy. She’ll let you stay over and probably do it a few times.

I can see that because girls get so many matches from the swipe apps that you’re easily forgotten about or used for free food and drinks. It really does seem cringy to me, I’ve watched countless non scripted YouTube videos on it and it hardly goes well. I think based off of what everyone has said so far, this should be seen as a last resort option and I should aim to meet regular girls first and see how it goes, especially since I’ve never put any serious effort into it before. And also like Mike32ct said, it will be expensive since I would plan on it being an overnight stay with the escort and I’m sure the cost of that will be in the thousands. I would definitely prefer a regular girl over an escort and I still wouldn’t get all the experience I’m looking for from that encounter, you can’t get relationship experience from paying an escort.

 

[RickTheToad]

Well since its a legal brothel, the girls are required by law to be STD tested on a constant basis and you’re required to wear a condom for everything, even a BJ. Like I said in my earlier replies, doing this is not my first choice and I’m only even considering it because there’s no effective way to meet a regular girl who’s not a pro.

Skin-to-skin viruses, such as HPV and HSV are not included with a standard STD panel test. The only one's which they are required to test for are Chlamydia, Gonorrhea, Syphilis, HIV, Hep B & C. That leaves the following that are not tested:

HSV 1
HSV 2
HPV
Chancroid
Crabs
Molluscum Contagiosum
Scabies
Trichomoniasis
Cytomegalovirus

Don't be stupid.

 

[SW15]

I can see that because girls get so many matches from the swipe apps that you’re easily forgotten about or used for free food and drinks. It really does seem cringy to me, I’ve watched countless non scripted YouTube videos on it and it hardly goes well. I think based off of what everyone has said so far, this should be seen as a last resort option and I should aim to meet regular girls first and see how it goes, especially since I’ve never put any serious effort into it before.

Many men get used for food and/or drinks on dates.

Yes, if you haven't put serious efforts into pickup, you need to do that first before considering the other path.

it will be expensive since I would plan on it being an overnight stay with the escort and I’m sure the cost of that will be in the thousands. I would definitely prefer a regular girl over an escort and I still wouldn’t get all the experience I’m looking for from that encounter, you can’t get relationship experience from paying an escort.

Even if you chose non-overnight quantities of time, it would still be expensive for a man who lives with his parents. It's a better idea to find a way to use funds to secure even an adequate 1 bedroom apartment, which will help in getting laid longer term.

You can get sexual experience by paying directly for sex. You're right that you won't get relationship experience in that scenario. If you're not getting everything you're looking for, then a different path must be considered.

 

[needimprovement250]

Skin-to-skin viruses, such as HPV and HSV are not included with a standard STD panel test. The only one's which they are required to test for are Chlamydia, Gonorrhea, Syphilis, HIV, Hep B & C. That leaves the following that are not tested:

HSV 1
HSV 2
HPV
Chancroid
Crabs
Molluscum Contagiosum
Scabies
Trichomoniasis
Cytomegalovirus

Don't be stupid.

Well I mean you could get any of those, plus the tested ones from a girl you match with on Tinder too, but I would rather not go down this path like I already said. I would rather meet a regular girl, but I don’t know where to besides OLD so I just gotta give that a try first and go from there I guess.

 

[Mike32ct]

Well I mean you could get any of those, plus the tested ones from a girl you match with on Tinder too, but I would rather not go down this path like I already said. I would rather meet a regular girl, but I don’t know where to besides OLD so I just gotta give that a try first and go from there I guess.

I met my first online. I was 28. She was 26. We dated for about six weeks and maybe did it like 5 times.

It was totally worth it. Fun and no pressure at all. I seriously considered hiring a pro, but I’m so glad I didn’t.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

Skin-to-skin viruses, such as HPV and HSV are not included with a standard STD panel test. The only one's which they are required to test for are Chlamydia, Gonorrhea, Syphilis, HIV, Hep B & C. That leaves the following that are not tested:

HSV 1
HSV 2
HPV
Chancroid
Crabs
Molluscum Contagiosum
Scabies
Trichomoniasis
Cytomegalovirus

Don't be stupid.

then nobody should have sex! If you really think your typical bar thot that practically throws herself at Chad and Tyrone and even prostitutes herself on OLD is any safer then you are delusional.

An escort will most likely be screwing people like OP or older married men with low partners so lower exposure. Your typical hypergamy girl is screwing around with Chads and Tyrone’s who could have 100s of partners and she’s probably screwed a couple of lesbians down low too.

 

[needimprovement250]

Many men get used for food and/or drinks on dates.

Yes, if you haven't put serious efforts into pickup, you need to do that first before considering the other path.



Even if you chose non-overnight quantities of time, it would still be expensive for a man who lives with his parents. It's a better idea to find a way to use funds to secure even an adequate 1 bedroom apartment, which will help in getting laid longer term.

You can get sexual experience by paying directly for sex. You're right that you won't get relationship experience in that scenario. If you're not getting everything you're looking for, then a different path must be considered.

I agree, I think this idea comes from the fact that I perceive my inexperience as a major disadvantage and that this will help me catch up, but it won’t help all the way since there’s no way to get relationship experience from an escort, like I already said and you acknowledged. So while it might help me learn more about what to do in bed, I could see myself still being concerned about not having any relationship experience afterwards, so it won’t completely solve things for me.

I’m not sure if you saw any of my comments where I mentioned it, but I abruptly quit my job and the temporary job that I do every summer is the only employment I have right now, so this isn’t even something I could do right now because there’s no way I’m gonna spend all the money I’m making from my temporary job on this, that would just be plain stupid. The cost of living is also super high in my area, so lately I’ve become more open to the idea of moving into a shared house with some roommates. My uncle did that for awhile and it was very affordable, you can get your own bedroom and you’re usually assigned your own fridge and cabinet space in the kitchen. I just don’t know where to look for a place like that, maybe Craigslist?

The one silver lining to me considering this is that I haven’t been thinking about that girl I mentioned in my other thread as much ever since I got this idea, just goes to show that I need to find another girl, even if it is an escort.

 

[BadBoy89]

Especially because she said that she has no problem telling inexperienced guys what they’re doing wrong in bed and will give honest feedback and she’ll also go on a practice date with you in order to help teach you how to act on a date since the brothel has a bar and restaurant to do that at. Then the pandemic happened and she left that line of work, but just last night I discovered that she got back into it as the pandemic has eased, so once again I’m tempted.

That’s why I’m interested to hear what you guys think I should do, especially because I’ve always felt self conscious about my inexperience.

WTF.

What girl in a brothel will tell a guy that or do that with a guy? A brothel girl can get nice clothes, nice shoes, can do her hair nice, to get picked up in a car by the guy, go to a restaurant with a guy, order whatever she wants from the guy, to show the guy how to act on a date in case he gets one with a real girl? Does that make any sense?

Just do the same thing you did with those girls 5 years ago and 2 years ago. Women haven’t changed since then.

If I do go through with it, I think I’ll end up doing the girlfriend experience since that’s the service she mentioned is the best for inexperienced guys and I’ll probably book an overnight visit with her since I’ve never spent the night with a girl and it would be nice to do that, even if its with an escort. I might do it if most of you guys think I should. But I’m also wondering if I should just use OLD to get experience instead, especially since that’s free and with regular girls.

Girlfriend experience isn’t spending the night.

Girlfriend experience is buy her whatever she wants, have her abuse you because you are not rich and famous, serve her to no end, give her the option to take half your stuff if she is living with you, give her the option to sue you, give her the option to withhold sex for any reason.

You are debating between spending thousands of dollars on a brothel girl. or a few dollars on a normal online girl.

Sounds very very strange.

 

[needimprovement250]

WTF.

What girl in a brothel will tell a guy that or do that with a guy? A brothel girl can get nice clothes, nice shoes, can do her hair nice, to get picked up in a car by the guy, go to a restaurant with a guy, order whatever she wants from the guy, to show the guy how to act on a date in case he gets one with a real girl? Does that make any sense?

Just do the same thing you did with those girls 5 years ago and 2 years ago. Women haven’t changed since then.



Girlfriend experience isn’t spending the night.

Girlfriend experience is buy her whatever she wants, have her abuse you because you are not rich and famous, serve her to no end, give her the option to take half your stuff if she is living with you, give her the option to sue you, give her the option to withhold sex for any reason.

You are debating between spending thousands of dollars on a brothel girl. or a few dollars on a normal online girl.

Sounds very very strange.

Because she acknowledges that it’s a learning experience for inexperienced guys who want to be prepared for when they get the chance to be with a regular girl and that they’re paying her for honest feedback. The brothel she’s at has a restaurant onsite, so that’s where it would happen and you don’t go off the property for that. The girlfriend experience is also something that only happens at the brothel in a private room for overnight clients, she doesn’t come to your house and you go your separate ways when your time is up.

I didn’t do anything to get those girls 5 years ago, the first one came into me and made all the moves, including asking me out and initiating sex and the second one was a friend of my friend who helped arrange it because it was during the pandemic and neither of us have had sex in a long time. From the way people here have described OLD, they’ve made it sound like something that nearly hopeless and that you’ll be on there for several months before you even get a first date, that’s why this idea appealed to me.

 

[needimprovement250]

I met my first online. I was 28. She was 26. We dated for about six weeks and maybe did it like 5 times.

It was totally worth it. Fun and no pressure at all. I seriously considered hiring a pro, but I’m so glad I didn’t.

That’s exactly what I would like to happen to me, and its encouraging that it happened to you at the same age as me, it shows that maybe having no experience at this age isn’t a death sentence like I thought it was and that maybe people here are over exaggerating how bad OLD is a little bit. I think I really should give that a try first and see what happens, maybe it won’t be so bad. Hopefully what happened to you will soon happen to me as well.

 

[DonJuanjr]

and that maybe people here are over exaggerating how bad OLD is a little bit.

No, they're not... You're going to get ignored 90 percent of the time, rejected 5 percent, and 2.5 percent wasted time, with maybe 2.5 percent some traction gained... All by lower quality women. You have to realize their expectations are so far from reality it's comical. You should do it though.... I messaged over 200 women with all kinds of different openers. I got one serious response that became fwb for 8 months... The majority of the women were overweight, older, not attractive, single mothers looking for wallets or fake... It was still worth it though. Just realize that's the reality, and don't be discouraged.

I wouldn't worry about relationship experience. I'd focus on gaining sexual confidence first.

 

[needimprovement250]

No, they're not... You're going to get ignored 90 percent of the time, rejected 5 percent, and 2.5 percent wasted time, with maybe 2.5 percent some traction gained... All by lower quality women. You have to realize their expectations are so far from reality it's comical. You should do it though.... I messaged over 200 women with all kinds of different openers. I got one serious response that became fwb for 8 months... The majority of the women were fat, old, ugly or fake... It was still worth it though. Just realize that's the reality, and don't be discouraged.

I wouldn't worry about relationship experience. I'd focus on gaining sexual confidence first.

Yeah its probably worth a try regardless, I’ve always thought that if I ever did try OLD I’ll probably opt for the paid upgrade like Tinder offers because I can afford that and I heard that they boost your profile’s visibility and they’ll also show you who’s trying to match with you if you’re willing to pay. The sexual confidence thing is what made this escort idea appealing in the first place.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

Yeah its probably worth a try regardless, I’ve always thought that if I ever did try OLD I’ll probably opt for the paid upgrade like Tinder offers because I can afford that and I heard that they boost your profile’s visibility and they’ll also show you who’s trying to match with you if you’re willing to pay. The sexual confidence thing is what made this escort idea appealing in the first place.

I just got off a date with an 8 from OLD. If you don’t have good pics then don’t bother lol.

 

[needimprovement250]

I just got off a date with an 8 from OLD. If you don’t have good pics then don’t bother lol.

Well others have said on here that since I can’t upload any pics of me with friends, that automatically means I don’t have good pics.

 

[SW15]

You are debating between spending thousands of dollars on a brothel girl. or a few dollars on a normal online girl.

Sounds very very strange.

He's also wanting to select an expensive package from the brothel woman. There are less expensive packages that result in directly paid for sex.

It's possible for a man to have enough failed "one date, no sex, no second date" type interactions from a swipe app to get close to the cost of directly paid for sex. It would take a long time for that to happen though with what's going on with the algorithms in recent times. I'm hearing that men are getting fewer matches now than even 3-4 years ago, where it was possible to get a decent amount of low quality dates, such as the "one date, no sex, no second date" type date that was common years ago.

The major problem here is that he has so many issues to resolve before he can be competitive in the mating market. He needs to get at least a place with a roommate, probably needs to up the physical fitness, and some other stuff. Dating before resolving those issues is mostly going to be a bad experience.

What girl in a brothel will tell a guy that or do that with a guy? A brothel girl can get nice clothes, nice shoes, can do her hair nice, to get picked up in a car by the guy, go to a restaurant with a guy, order whatever she wants from the guy, to show the guy how to act on a date in case he gets one with a real girl? Does that make any sense?

Every brothel female dated conventionally before becoming a sex worker. These women do have more conventional dating experience than @needimprovement250 has. However, their conventional dating realities were likely much different than what @needimprovement250 would experience.

He can get experience with the mechanics of sex from a brothel female. What he can't get from a brothel female is experience in attracting-seducing, which are key parts of indirectly paying for sex. All men do pay for sex, whether directly or indirectly. Longer term, he's better off learning how to obtain sex by indirectly paying rather than directly paying.

No, they're not... You're going to get ignored 90 percent of the time, rejected 5 percent, and 2.5 percent wasted time, with maybe 2.5 percent some traction gained... All by lower quality women. You have to realize their expectations are so far from reality it's comical. You should do it though.... I messaged over 200 women with all kinds of different openers. I got one serious response that became fwb for 8 months... The majority of the women were overweight, older, not attractive, single mothers looking for wallets or fake... It was still worth it though. Just realize that's the reality, and don't be discouraged.

I wouldn't worry about relationship experience. I'd focus on gaining sexual confidence first.

You provided a realistic representation of most men's experiences on swipe apps. When someone reads that, it's not worth doing that. Every person has a choice as to which marketing channel to use to meet women. There are other channels to use besides swipe apps. Approaching strangers either at bars or non-bar venues sucks too. Few men have fantastic experiences doing that. It's difficult to swoop into a co-ed sports league and get dates from that. Participating in co-ed sports leagues is a form of weak social circle game. Yes, it is easier to talk to a woman after a game in a co-ed sports league than it would be to talk to a random woman at the grocery store, mall, or a bar. Many men have participated in kickball leagues (that was huge around 2007-2015), volleyball leagues, softball leagues, soccer leagues, or any other sports league with the hope of getting their penises wet from participating. Most men failed with that.

There's inner game and outer game. This conversation seems focused more upon outer game than inner game. He has some inner game issues before going to outer game issues, such as which marketing channels to use.

I just got off a date with an 8 from OLD. If you don’t have good pics then don’t bother lol.

Swipe apps are one of the most difficult marketing channels to use. It's not worth doing in general unless you're a 90th percentile or higher guy.

 

[Murk]

I used escorts in a dry spell when I was young, just to help me get back into the rhythm, and it worked. But the taste for it never left me. I was spinning plates and seeing escorts too, it was the thrill and excitement.

I wouldn't use them to get experience, just to blow off steam. Brothels are illegal in the UK however paying for sex/prostitution is not illegal here provided the girls aren't trafficked/coerced/operating from brothel settings.

Don't let it become a crutch whatever you do. I've had great experiences and bad ones too, but never caught an STD from them.

 

[RickTheToad]

then nobody should have sex! If you really think your typical bar thot that practically throws herself at Chad and Tyrone and even prostitutes herself on OLD is any safer then you are delusional.

An escort will most likely be screwing people like OP or older married men with low partners so lower exposure. Your typical hypergamy girl is screwing around with Chads and Tyrone’s who could have 100s of partners and she’s probably screwed a couple of lesbians down low too.

If you want to be foolish and take perminate risks which would effect your health for sex, go for it. Guarantee you a female who's a working girl has more sexual encounters in a week than most females in a lifetime. However, if you and the OP wants to continue this consideration, be my guest. Just know, you've been warned.

In addition, do you think females who are working girls are tested daily? No. It's weekly or monthly. Not many females are having 20+ sex partners every few days; unless they're a working girl.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

If you want to be foolish and take perminate risks which would effect your health for sex, go for it. Guarantee you a female who's a working girl has more sexual encounters in a week than most females in a lifetime. However, if you and the OP wants to continue this consideration, be my guest. Just know, you've been warned.

In addition, do you think females who are working girls are tested daily? No. It's weekly or monthly. Not many females are having 20+ sex partners every few days; unless they're a working girl.

Your typical escort is most likely screwing people like OP or married guys on a consistent basis. Yes, she is having more frequent exposures, but the guys she is servicing have low or low sex frequency counts. For example, OP will expose her to 0 people or the married guy will expose her to his wife. In addition, no one is going unprotected in an escort for sure.

Vs

Kaley the girl you are running your game on

Kaley is over here screwing ray ray and pookies, Chads, Tyrones, professional athletes, entertainers, Mr.fun bartenders/drug users, older men on seeking arrangements, people like us on a slow Tuesday and etc. One of these guys can easily expose her to 100 people and your'e a fool if you think she had protected sex with all of these guys.

So on a weekly basis-

Lets say an escort has protected sex with 10 guys and exposes her to maybe 50 people at best vs Kaley has protected sex with 1 flashy guy that took her out to a fancy dinner/expensive roof top bar on Thursday night and unprotected with the Chad that bangs her out every slow Tuesday and the NFL player she met at the bar Saturday Night which exposes her to maybe 300. Lets say she only bangs the slow Tuesday Chad that week, he more than likely had sex with 1-5 other girls adding up her number of exposed people while OP & married Brad most likely screwed no new girls or their wife if they got lucky lol.

As a result, you are fool if you think this Girl you are running game on is cleaner than a professional escort that has to keep her box clean and protected to make a living.

 

[RickTheToad]

Your typical escort is most likely screwing people like OP or married guys on a consistent basis. Yes, she is having more frequent exposures, but the guys she is servicing have low or low sex frequency counts. For example, OP will expose her to 0 people or the married guy will expose her to his wife. In addition, no one is going unprotected in an escort for sure.

Vs

Kaley the girl you are running your game on

Kaley is over here screwing ray ray and pookies, Chads, Tyrones, professional athletes, entertainers, Mr.fun bartenders/drug users, older men on seeking arrangements, people like us on a slow Tuesday and etc. One of these guys can easily expose her to 100 people and your'e a fool if you think she had protected sex with all of these guys.

So on a weekly basis-

Lets say an escort has protected sex with 10 guys and exposes her to maybe 50 people at best vs Kaley has protected sex with 1 flashy guy that took her out to a fancy dinner/expensive roof top bar on Thursday night and unprotected with the Chad that bangs her out every slow Tuesday and the NFL player she met at the bar Saturday Night which exposes her to maybe 300. Lets say she only bangs the slow Tuesday Chad that week, he more than likely had sex with 1-5 other girls adding up her number of exposed people while OP & married Brad most likely screwed no new girls or their wife if they got lucky lol.

As a result, you are fool if you think this Girl you are running game on is cleaner than a professional escort that has to keep her box clean and protected to make a living.

I'm a fool for even spending a minute reading this ridiculous retort.