Seems like most women I meet now are fvcking crazy

[Ricky]

What i've noticed over the years and this won't be a surprise is that women moods are more volatile on average than most mens. There are plenty of good biological reasons for this that we don't need to rehash.

Taking this into account.. you realize that the outcomes you have with a particular woman can depend on how she is feeling that day. Unfortunately if you catch her on the wrong day and you say the wrong thing, you can easily tank a relationship with them.

It would be great if there was some way to know which version of the woman you are getting on a particular day. I'm sure one of the simplest screening questions would be "how are you feeling today". If she isn't feeling well, its not a good day to see her.. period. (ironically i didn't mean to use the word period there).

If its a more serious sickness, showing some empathy and caring and offering to bring her something could win some points and is the right thing to do. I've been criticized for not caring enough before so i'm a little more sensitive to it now.

 

[Giovanni SouthSide]

I don’t think all women are crazy and trust I have had my fair share of females with hard indicators of a certain breed of nutty. I have had chicks pull out a knife on me and another one pull out a gun on some dudes trying to pack me out etc. Yeah my 20s were rough.
They are just crazy when you apply male standards of logic and reason. We all know that women are more emotional than men, but that doesn't mean they are all looney. I think men saying "all women are crazy" say it mostly as a joke to write off female moodiness around a certain time of the month, when a woman is pregnant or other times of extreme emotional swings.

Chemically, women have much higher highs and lows at any given time than a man does. That makes men appear stable in comparison. That doesn't mean women are crazy, just more volatile. I don't think a woman's emotionalism is craziness, rather just another task on how to handle yourself as a man. For a woman that is just emotional but not always mentally ill, a little bit of comfort plus amused mastery goes a long way to calm her or better yet cool off her ovaries.

 

[Giovanni SouthSide]

Missed the forest for the trees on this one. May I add that tats and piercings are still most definitely a traditional reliable indicator of nutiness in a b!tch. Yes even small tats on the wrist are an LTR disqualifier for me . Girls are just outing themselves easier now with all that mutilation. In a way, we can be glad they're being upfront about it, before you'd actually have to invest time and interact with them to find out their degree of batsh!t crazy.

 

[Vending Machine Veteran]

Always have been

 

[Rainman4707]

Let me be clear: I'm not saying they're crazy as some sort of post-hoc gotcha moment, they tell me they're crazy from day 1 with all the shvt they say about themselves, all meds they take, and various diagnosed (or self diagnosed) mental/personality disorders.

I'm trying to take responsibility for it and there's basically three reasons:

a) I am not screening hard enough for mental illness/instability/ignoring red flags
b) I am dumpster diving for good pvssy at the expense of my sanity
c) Something about me is attracting crazy women specifically

Does anyone else experience this, and how do you deal with it? It's starting to become so frustrating and disappointing. For starters I think I am going to stop meeting women on OLD, because in my current location it's worse than ever. Going to focus on meeting women through pre-selection/social groups and good ol' cold approaches, but I am increasingly skeptical that women in the "real world" are any better.

There are risks yes, me personally i chose to take those risks, the pu**y is unreal and good for company until i find something better. Like they say though,,the crazy ones are always the biggest turn on.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Men have been groaning "B-tches be crazy!!!"since times immemorial. It's true, just as it's true that A List celebrities are more shallow than your kitchen sink, and don't hesitate to reveal as much publicly

on a regular basis

There's very little we can do to "cure" such things, and for-the most part-they're simply annoyances, rather than threats to our survival

 

[Ricky]

I talk to a lot of people and since the pandemic i've talked to a lot more women who seem to be depressed nowadays. I am not sure all the reasons why but it's pretty epidemic.

Now i try to be more of a pick me up artist than all, but i can tell you from experience.. sometimes trying to help a depressed person is a little like trying to save someone drowning. You are at risk of drowning yourself while trying to help them

 

[DJ Novice]

Every woman has some kind of psychological issue. It’s just a matter of the degree of crazy and what you are prepared to put up with.

As for the hotter the girl the crazier the girl theory my only experience with a subjective 9 who was 10 years my junior (I’m 56) happened last week.

Found out she had been r*ped whilst unconscious in Italy after her drink had been spiked at a bar. Her ex husband cheated on her with a younger but unattractive fat girl. Told me she has tried cocaine.

A male ‘friend’ she claimed she wasn’t dating was blowing up her phone the entire night. She ignored his calls (actually told him to F off to me). She showed me all the guys from a dating app interested in her. It was a long list. Without blowing my own trumpet at least 75% of them were subjective 5s and below.

In the end she had to pull the pin after a few hours on the date as he actually came into the city to find her location. I had no idea who the guy was but did not want to risk being beaten up by some biker or drug dealer type.

Needless to say I won’t be asking for a second date. If that’s some of the risks of dating a hot girl (admittedly only a tiny sample size) then for me it’s just not worth the drama.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

What i've noticed over the years and this won't be a surprise is that women moods are more volatile on average than most mens. There are plenty of good biological reasons for this that we don't need to rehash.

Taking this into account.. you realize that the outcomes you have with a particular woman can depend on how she is feeling that day. Unfortunately if you catch her on the wrong day and you say the wrong thing, you can easily tank a relationship with them.

It would be great if there was some way to know which version of the woman you are getting on a particular day.

This is why I think it's critical to not text a woman after your first date, even if you sleep together. You might text her the wrong thing at the wrong time. Wait until she replies because you'll know she is happy and feels good when she does and it confirms her interest, then you strike while the iron is hot...

 

[Carson02]

OLD and social media in general are excellent tools for analyzing their various personality types and identifying potential red flags. Many can’t help but put their social resumes on front street.

 

[Solomon]

Every woman has some kind of psychological issue. It’s just a matter of the degree of crazy and what you are prepared to put up with.

As for the hotter the girl the crazier the girl theory my only experience with a subjective 9 who was 10 years my junior (I’m 56) happened last week.

Found out she had been r*ped whilst unconscious in Italy after her drink had been spiked at a bar. Her ex husband cheated on her with a younger but unattractive fat girl. Told me she has tried cocaine.

A male ‘friend’ she claimed she wasn’t dating was blowing up her phone the entire night. She ignored his calls (actually told him to F off to me). She showed me all the guys from a dating app interested in her. It was a long list. Without blowing my own trumpet at least 75% of them were subjective 5s and below.

In the end she had to pull the pin after a few hours on the date as he actually came into the city to find her location. I had no idea who the guy was but did not want to risk being beaten up by some biker or drug dealer type.

Needless to say I won’t be asking for a second date. If that’s some of the risks of dating a hot girl (admittedly only a tiny sample size) then for me it’s just not worth the drama.

Was she a blonde from Phoenix Arizona perhaps?

 

[SW15]

My take is that many otherwise "normal" women get on OLD for attention/validation/boredom relief or from her single friends egging her on. And I think if you manage to these women at the right time they might say "oh, I'll give it a shot" with him. A small handful have even told me I was the first guy they replied to or went on a date with on OLD, and I believe it. I don't think they're ALL crazy or broken, but to hit gold is extremely rare and is quite literally akin to finding a needle in a haystack, and the ROI is probably lower than traditional means of meeting women.

The return on investment or return of effort will be lower on the swipe apps.

Many men fall for the illusion of efficiency with the swipe apps. There's appeal in the idea of interacting with women while sitting at home and looking unpresentable. The effort of going out into the real world to meet women isn't that appealing and has gotten even less appealing in the last 20 years or so.

Women also like the attention/validation that they can get on the swipe apps while sitting at home and looking unpresentable as well. They need good photos from the times that they looked presentable.

For women, they can get way more attention through swipe apps and social media DMs than they could get from only using real life methods of meeting men. A women who goes to a bar 2-3 nights per week when unattached and also fields approaches at her gym and the grocery store will only get a fraction of the attention as a woman who primarily uses swipe apps to meet men and does not have a real life routine that puts her in contact with many single men.

The attention and validation from tech methods is something that can warp a woman's way of thinking.

 

[Ricky]

Only if she's foolish enough to value that attention and validation the same as what she has to earn in the real world.

Free attention and 'validation' through swipe apps has no value - the world is filled with thirsty guys pedestaling women for superficial qualities, but would you actually feel validated when some bottom dweller from nowhere tell you that you're beautiful and how much he'd like stick his warty penis in your orifices?

I keep saying this: the 'orbiters' a woman might have are not options and not your competitors. Your only competition is your Past Self to compare and improve upon to build yourself a better Future Self.

This is true.. women have this feeling of incredible abundance now and yes they can find many guys interested in them but many of them are really low value

I think there has always been something for having a great story of how you met.. and the swipe app and dating apps isn't it. Its one step above an arranged marriage to your second cousin haha. I think for women and men both the apps lose that special mystery or destiny feeling that woman like to talk about so much.

 

[Ricky]

I will say this. I'm seeing this dichotomy between meeting women that are anxiously attached and who will blow up your phone constantly vs dismissive avoidant women who are like the cat that avoids you most of the time then sidles up to you on occasion.. always keeping you hooked.

I like the dismissive avoidant types.. they are a challenge.. i like challenges, but they can definitely ruin you.

 

[SW15]

I think there has always been something for having a great story of how you met.. and the swipe app and dating apps isn't it.

It's an absolutely terrible story for starting initial interactions. Any story that details an interaction that started in real life will be better, including stories that start with an approach in a mediocre to subpar bar setting.

There are some older Millennial/Gen X couples still out there that started relationships off of now outdated dating websites like Match, Plenty of Fish, OkCupid, and eHarmony.

A lot of Boomers right now have stories of meeting 2nd/3rd spouses off of Match or OurTime in the last 10-15 years or so.

 

[Ricky]

When i was living in Boston in the mid 2000's i was part of the pickup artist community. For the most part i used in person meeting to meet women that i picked up. I did use some free online sites like myspace and an online dating site that was free to meet international women who lived in boston who's english wasn't as good. There was also a site that was good for meeting bisexual women that i used to meet the girlfriend before my wife. I met my wife on the free site.. but most of the women i met were in person...

 

[SW15]

When i was living in Boston in the mid 2000's i was part of the pickup artist community.

That's great! That was when the pickup artist community was near its prime. Neil Strauss released "The Game" about the PUA community in September 2005.

I started to read some content about pickup while I was in college. I was in college from 2001-2005. I was never part of a pickup artist community then. This was the beginning of my effort to kill the nice guy that I had been.

You had been immersed in pickup culture then. You joined SoSuave in 2002 and that was a part of pickup too.

When in-person initiation was the primary way to meet women, most men focused on bar approaching as compared to the non-bar options.

For the most part i used in person meeting to meet women that i picked up.

That was the right decision. In 2024 and 2025, that's the right decision. There is less of an in-person approaching culture now.