sageproduct's senior year field reports.

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Saturday, April 3, 2010

What's up guys, I haven't been on much at all lately. Been feeling great and finding myself caring so much less now about what other people think. Not much happening with girls though.

Yesterday-My second cold approach

I've been on a roadtrip for a few days with some great friends, not the fag ones I've posted about before. I can say that all of them are DJ's. 3 of them are in fruitful LTR's, and we have a perfect situation for pickup (except for them lol) as we have a suite all to ourselves with no parents.

So far, it's been disappointing in terms of girls. We barely see any here and most of them are ugly/wrong age. We did see a couple yesterday though...

I was with two guys at a water park. We're walking around, enjoying the slides and everything. I notice these two girls who are pretty cute in line in front of us just as they're about to go down a slide. Don't really remember what they looked like, but they seemed a little younger (probably sophomores I'd guess) and were probably a 6 and a 7. After we go down that slide, they end up behind us in line for another slide. Then we go in the hot tub, and so do they. I'm in the middle between my two friends, and the girls sit down a few feet away to the left.

We're just chilling there, and I turn to my friend on the right and say, "Dude these b1tches are fwcking following us everywhere. They definitely want us." He responds, "I know. (friend sitting to the left of me) is missing out on an opportunity." I thought, well here goes.

I reach over to my left in front of my friend and tap the closer girl on the shoulder.
Me: Hey do you guys (should have said girls) know any good places to eat around here?
Girls: (turn to each other, turn back to me with confused looks) We're not from around here...
Me: Well that's the point (what point? lol...), neither are we. We went to some place xxx but it was closed, and this guy (point to my friend on the left) won't stop talking about where we're going to eat. (I didn't mean to be putting my friend down, I usually wouldn't do that but I was just saying whatever came to my mind)
Girls: (look at each other, then look back) We don't really know...
then they turned away and I gave up.

My thoughts--am I right?

My belief is that I wasn't necessarily doing anything wrong until I gave up. I think if I persisted and kept the convo going, I would have been able to open them up and hit something. The problem was that they were confused--and rightly so. What was my intention? To them, I was just some random guy asking about places to eat. There was no interest in them. Yet--isn't it true that in opening sets you shouldn't show your interest in a single target? Still, I should have just persisted and made the conversation interesting. The situational opener was just an opener and didn't get me anywhere except into a conversation with them. Then, it should have been up to me to express that I was interested in being with them.

Lol, we left the hot tub not too long after.

Other than that, nothing really with girls has happened on the trip. We only saw a few other girls who were remotely cute, including a couple lifeguards. I was thinking about approaching one or two, but I kept thinking about the fact that "they get hit on all day" and I got tangled thinking about how to behave--showing sexual interest to be different from the nice guys who approach them, yet not being sleazy to be different from the bums that "hit" on them.

 

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Monday, April 5, 2010

Sherman C (athletic girl)

Our prom is 4 weeks away, so the next few weeks are generally when people ask their dates. I woke up the other morning and just decided that I'm going to ask Sherman C. I don't care that I may not get any action from her. I just feel for some reason that she is the person I want to spend this last high school memory with, even though there are other options where I could be more sure of getting action (Binny K...don't think anyone else is asking her as of yet).

The plan-where I'm from, you can't just ask someone straight-up to a dance. We do a buncha crazy/weird/cool things to ask someone to a dance. I thought of this out of the blue-I'm going to walk up to her in the middle of a class we have together, show her my shirt (i'll have written some inside joke on it), and take it off, revealing some writing on my chest that is asking her to prom. If that sounds weird, I know it won't be based on what it's like at my school. In fact, I'm guessing it's going to be massive DHV that I'll be confident with doing it in front of everyone and breaking the dress code right in front of the teacher.

I plan to do all that on Monday, after I hang out with her this weekend.

Today-
The main problem with Sherman C is that I haven't shown any sexual/romantic interest in her. I tried to get that going today. I walked into class late while everyone was silently reading. I caught her eye and she smiled, slowly shaking her head. I knew I had to talk to her today.

After class, she was out way before me so I caught up to her and covered her eyes with my hand, then kinda got up beside her and had my arm around her for a bit? Then we made eye contact and she was smiling.
Her: Hey
Me: You look good
Her: (confused, thought I was making some kind of joke) What do you mean? Why are you saying that?
Me: (realize I kinda stumbled so I quickly changed the subject) You do. How are you?
Her: Good, how was your break
Me: It was EXCELLENT.
Her: What did you do?
Me: SO many things.
Her: Like....sitting around?
Me: No haha actully I went to xxx for a few days.

Fluff talked for a little then she got to her class.

Few things about this convo
-Looking back, my compliment was really just week. "Good" was a plain, boring word and I should have said that I liked something. I was meaning to hit her emotions, which I think I may have done cuz she probably never gets compliments like that. However, I think my compliment was too "nice".
-Why was she expecting it to be a joke when I complimented her? Well because she's not used to being complimented, and she's not used to it from me. The only way I've REMOTELy shown sexual interest in her is through kino, and even still I think it's been mostly friendly and playful kino. Not good enough.
-I couldn't get past the fluff talk. Maybe it's cuz I only slept 3 hours last night, but my conversational skills with everyone were just a little bit off today. I think when she said "what did you do over break" I could have made an innuendo by saying "Who did I do??? You perv" or something like that.

Why am I asking her to prom when I'm so clearly friendzoned? Well, I actually think I can escape the friendzone with her despite my fwckups with her in the past. I don't think she's ever been to a dance before, so I'm thinking that getting asked to a dance will just be a big shock to her and she'll tie all those emotions in with me, giving me a chance. Plus, I think it should be EASY to make a move on her on the dance floor.

With that being said, I just want to hang out with her this weekend to make the asking her on Monday more natural.

Gina L (last year's one-itis turned into this year's practice b1tch/DHV girl)
I've got really good rapport with this girl, so most of my experiments in being more sexual have been with her. Today, she walked into class wearing something pretty sexy.
Her: (sitting down) these seats are warm.
Me: Yeahh, I know. (I was about to say "that's cuz you're sitting in it", but didn't for some reason)
Her: blah blah
Me: (did an OBVIOUS eye scan of her where I looked her up and down) You look sexy.
Her: (shocked cuz I was being different from what she expects from me) Thank you [laughing]

We did some light talking here and there and the usual kino. One thing I wanna note is that she looked down at her dress and said, "My dress has all these random pockets." Without a word, I stuck my hand into one that was right under her boobs. "You can't put your hand in there!" she said. I don't know why, but I took out her hand. Fwck. I should have rubbed her belly or something with my hand in there. I responded, "I can put my hand wherever I want." However, I said that with a bit of a delay AND while looking away. I KNOW that if I had looked her directly in the eye and said it differently, it would have been VERY sexual.

For the first time, she waited for me after class (I never wait for her btw) and started a random convo with me. It was boring at first, but luckily I managed to tease her real quick and kino her arm. Then we quickly split as I went to my locker.

New girl...kind of

Shelly S (happens to be friends with Mel K, a nexted girl)

Well end of sophomore year I had one-itis for this girl who I had ONLY SEEN ONCE in my life. I was talking to her on AIM every day. After 2 months, I told her I liked her, blah blah MAJOR AFC FWCKUP. Thankfully, she stopped using AIM shortly after and we hadn't talked for a year and a half. (i never got her #, which might actually be a good thing for now).

Things have changed. This year, I have a class with her where she sits kind of far away. I have HUGE DHV in this class though. 3 girls sit by her, who all of I talk to quite bit, usually just bouncing from one to another. I also have some buddies in the class, ones with high value themselves, and the teacher likes me, which has actually strangely been DHV cuz he's in a way made it seem everyone knows who I am.

Well all year, I've spoken to her maybe twice, and both times were to ask simple questions. I'm almost positive she thinks I'm uninterested in her. Which is perfect for this situation to start from scratch right??

Today, I was walking in to this class, and after opening the door, I turned around to hold it open for the next person. It was Shelly S. I smiled, said hi, and asked how she was doing. To my surprise, she said, "Hey, you still watch Lost right?" (fwcking insane show, we used to talk about it all the time) and I just let natural conversation flow for a little bit as we discussed the show briefly and I voiced my opinions. She looked really good today, and I kept smiling at her every time I was listening. Unfortunately, class started, so the convo was cut short probably under 1 min, but I suddenly felt like I had already hit some rapport with her because we're both highly interested in the TV show and were expressing it together.

After class, she slipped out before I could get to her. Damn...maybe I should learn to pack up quicker. Anyway, Lost is on tomorrow night so tomorrow I'm planning on saying "Hey let's watch Lost together" or "Hey if I have time to watch it tonight, I want you to watch it with me" and then get her number. Then we'll discuss who's house, and blah blah.

I know I shouldn't be planning conversations with girls, even ones where I'm making plans, but I just feel like watching Lost together would just be an easy, perfect setup because, well, we'll be alone on a couch...

Other Note

Found myself eye fwcking some Mexican girl today. She was actually kinda good-looking, but mainly I noticed how much more comfortable I am now with maintaining eye contact with girl like that.

 

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Tuesday, April 7, 2010

Sherman C (athletic girl/going to ask to prom)

We have two classes together. I was walking alone to the first class, and I felt someone playfully hit my backpack. I turn around and see it's Sherman C. Game on. I did the first thing that came to my mind, which was put my arm around her and say, "What was that for, HUH??" She laughed and then said, "Stop, you're gonna make my back fall off." (i was like wtf?) I made fun of her for thinking her spine was just going to snap off, when actually she meant the skin on her sunburned back lol. She started talking about how painful it was...I didn't want to be saying how sorry I was for how she was feeling that way or that it sucked so instead I just stared at her and grinned. Then she got a little pissed.

I saw a teacher I had to talk to, so I told her to wait and went over to talk to the teacher. She didn't wait and went to class.

After class, we left together. She said her back was itchy, so I slid my hand under her backpack and started scratching her back. "Ow, stop, you're gonna tear my back fall off." Here, I ALMOST said "More like I'm gonna tear your clothes off." Another missed opportunity to be sexual...but I feel like I'm getting better at recognizing how to do it. She stopped to talk to her friend, and I kept walking without her.

On the way in to the second class we have together, I kinoed her arm and she said, "Don't touch me it hurts!!" Once again, I stared at her and grinned until she said, "You just think everything is a joke don't you??"

Shelly S (one-itis from 2 years ago, watches Lost)

Didn't get a chance to talk to her today...Lost was on tonight but I was too busy to watch it. I recorded it, and I'll tell her to watch it with me...

Prom Plans

I was initially planning on asking Sherman C to prom next Monday, after hanging out over the weekend, but I feel like moving it forward to this Friday. I think the asking will easily stir up her emotions to really ensure that she hangs with me this weekend.

Well...just gotta find one of my girl friends to paint my chest Friday before school.

 

[sageproduct]

Only notable interaction of the day--

Petunia S (nexted LJBF but i use her to practice stuff)

Me: (randomly speaking my mind) Petunia S...you look very smart today...
Her: Uh, thanks sageproduct...you look...
Me: (cutting her off) I know what you're about to say Petunia S. That's inappropriate.

Tried to be a little sexual but I guess it turned out more C&F. Need to improve. It was ok I guess, she laughed and so did a few other girls who were listening.

 

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Thursday, April 8, 2010

Sherman C (athletic girl/gonna ask to prom tomorrow)

After class today she was walking behind me and tapped me to start a conversation. I asked her how she was, and she gave me a thumbs up. I kind of went nuts because she would always seem so depressed all the time before. I poked fun at that for a bit, and she laughed.

Then I noticed she was holding some strange food in a bag in her hands, so I snatched it to see what it was. I thought she said, "Do you want some?" or something lol. She tried to grab it back, and our arms got all locked together as she was trying to get it back, laughing the whole time.

I pretty much know most of what I'm doing to ask her tomorrow. It includes chest paint and me taking my shirt off...I still need to work out when exactly I'm going to do it, and i need someone to chest paint me so I'm asking some of my girl friends. The thing is though, I want to hold off til the last possible moment before I tell them who it is I'm asking because I want it to be a complete surprise.

 

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Friday, April 9, 2010

Sherman C (athletic girl, prom date as of today)

Late last night I had decided I would do the asking after school, right before she leaves for her track meet. During the day, I saw her at school during the normal times and interacted with her just as I normally do. I still had not told a SINGLE person that I was asking her. A few girls knew that I was asking SOMEONE because I had asked them for help (with body-painting).

Right after school, I met with a hot friend (w/2 year bf) so she could paint the words "SHERMAN C" and "PROM?" on my chest. Then I put on a doctor costume that was part of an inside joke we have. I go over to the other side of our school where the girls are waiting. I was hoping to catch her before they got on the bus so that I wouldn't have to deal with so many observers, but it turns out they were already on the bus (which turns out to be GOOD)

Without hesitating, I walked up into the bus without asking for permission. When I saw the first few girls, I didn't see Sherman C so I told them I was "looking for my patient". A few rows down and I locked eyes with Sherman C. She looked confused and surprised to see me.

I walked up to her and said hey. I had planned on talking to her for a bit but then realized that I should just cut it to the chase. I put my hand on her shoulder and said, "I know you hate doctors and dances (she told me both of those things before), but let's change that."

Then, I started taking my shirt off to reveal what was written on my chest. I heard a bunch of girls on the bus scream as I did this, and honestly it made me feel really fwcking cool lol. I threw my shirt away and said, "Will you go to prom with me?" This whole time I couldn't really tell what Sherman C was doing. I'd like to think she was wrought with emotion, and it looked like she was either laughing or crying really hard. She answered, "sure", and i kinda made her stand up to give me a hug. The girls in the bus were going crazy the whole time. Then I touched her shoulder again and said, "Good luck in the meet" and got the fwck outta there as quickly as I could.

Turns out doing it in front of a buncha girls was massive DHV. Almost immediately, I got a text from one of those girls. "Sooooo cute".

Well, this really has little to do with being a DJ (besides showing confidence and not caring what others think), but I just felt like posting it. It IS prom season after all, so any guys out there who haven't asked your girl yet, I just wanna say don't be afraid of doing it in front of other people if you have to.

 

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Saturday, April 10, 2010

Friday night--stayed home and went to sleep early cuz I had a tournament for my sport early Saturday morning. I had asked Sherman C to prom that day, and at night I texted her because well, I felt like it (don't worry, I don't do that often).

Me: Hope you and the team did well. You better kick some ASS tomorrow
Her: Heyhey we won! and thanks lol.

That was it.

Saturday Night

Party!!!!

I'm going to play a varsity sport next year for a school in the city, and last night my future teammates invited me to party with them. It was pretty awesome. I called Gina L (practice *****) to get her to come with me for DHV and just to have fun, but she didn't pick up and even now hasn't called or texted me back. Fwcking slut.

I get there, and at first not much is going on. I'm just hanging out with a few guys from the team and we're waiting for all the b1tches to show up. I was a little quiet at first but then made sure that I made my voice heard, and I got people to like me.

First thing to do with a girl...I was sitting with a guy on the team to my right, and to his right was some girl wearing a hoodie of the school I'm going to next year. She seemed like more of a quiet, studious girl (this was confirmed later), and I first noticed her when she laughed at some comment I made.

Later, that same guy was sitting with her on the couch. I walked up to her and shamelessly said, "I want your hoodie. I'm coming to ______ next year and I don't even have a shirt or hoodie for it." She laughed and refused.

At this point I was already kind of tipsy. I was bouncing around all the time, talking to different random people, and every time I saw this girl I would literally point at her and say, "YOU! Take off your damn hoodie!" Lol I actually was really mean to her, but in a funny way. I flicked her off, and she grabbed my finger laughing. I kept forgetting what her name was and must have asked her like 5 times lol.

I noticed though, that the guy on the team was always with her. Wanting to know if he was gaming her, I texted him "When are you going to f her?????" He responded "lol well she came with me we'll see what happens" so I decided to leave her to him...no need to do something to get myself disliked before I'm even there.

Some Other Girl

I had taken off my shoes for some reason, and nobody else did. Some girl wearing a skirt (i have a major skirt fetish) asked me where my shoes were. I can't remember how I answered, but I was going somewhere and didn't stop to talk to her. I think 2 other times she initiated interaction with me, but each time for some reason I was going somewhere and would say something and leave.

F...should have jumped on those IOI's.

Grinding

Later on, I was pretty drunk and ended up grinding with some girl for about probably...1 or 2 minutes? For some reason I was breathing and just...touching my lips on the back of her neck. After a little bit, I started going harder and tried to go the opposite way of whichever she was dancing to get more friction. I was pulling on her more and I guess she didn't like that I was just literally trying to rub my d1ck on her as much as I could, lol...a while back I posted a thread here about "jizzing in my pants" while grinding, this reminds me of it.

After that, I think I tried to dance with 2 other girls. I walked up to them kind of from the side, slid my hands on their hips and said, "let's dance". Both walked away, probably because they didn't like how drunk I was. I felt great though, not caring at all about being rejection.

 

[Diaforetikos]

Good to see you posting again on a regular basis. I love how yo asked that that girl to prom. DIDN'T GIVE A FLYING FVCK! like a freakin beast. I gotta do that type of crazy crap tomorrow.


You still seem to be having a slight problem with being more sexual. Best way I learned is from observing from movies. Listen to HOW they saY things when they're being sexual. It's almost like acting, but your not supposed to fake it. Try to be subtle. Just watch how Vince Vaughn's character was acting when he was being sexual in Wedding Crashers. It starts to make more sense as you see some of the key things over and over.

Your learning man. Keep that sh!t up!

 

[sageproduct]

More pressing issue-i would really welcome suggestions/input

^Thanks man, did you ask a girl to prom today? I wanna hear about it.

Monday, April 12, 2010

The Issue

Between the two classes that Sherman C (athletic girl, prom date) and I have together, Betty L, one of the girls who was there during the asking came up to me. She told me it was cute what I did, then asked me if Sherman C could go to the dance.

Instantly this disturbed me. Why would she not be able to go? Betty L then told me that prom was on the same day as Sherman C's sister's wedding, but "she said she'd probably be able to go to prom". Sherman C had said nothing about this to me. In fact, the asking was on Friday, and I had only spoken to her twice, and one time was a VERY short text convo, the other time being after class this morning.

Now I do care about and want to go to prom with Sherman C, but just her being there at prom isn't my main concern. If she told me she couldn't go, I'd be fine cuz then I could ask a different girl who I'd have better chances of hooking up with (and I already know who it would be).

What bothers me now is her motive for going to prom with me. When I was planning to ask her, I had always had it in my head that I was treating HER by giving her the chance to be my date at a dance. Now for some reason, this fear creeps creeping up in me. A fear that she's choosing to go to prom instead of the wedding because she doesn't want to hurt my feelings by telling me she can't go.

I guess my concern is is she gonna choose prom over wedding because she WANTS to GO WITH ME? Or because she doesn't want to "hurt" me by telling me she can't go?

Now, also know this. This girl's sexual side is VERY hidden. She wears jeans and hoodies to school every day. Her hair's always tied up in a ponytail. She barely interacts with guys. Heck, she barely even has any female friends at our school. She doesn't talk about guys she thinks are hot. I'm pretty sure she's never even been to a high school dance before (at our school, we have 2 each year, NOT including prom. I've been to 4 out of 9 so far, most people have been to more).

I've been talking to her at school since the beginning of this school year (September). She was actually definitely showing IOI's, and I didn't do anything because I thought I had to be "****y and funny" all the time. I acted plain mean to her sometimes. Then in the winter I acted like a wimp a few times. So I'm in the friend zone. The reason why I asked her to prom was because I thought it'd be such a big event emotionally for her that it would shoot me straight out of the friend zone. And even if it didn't, I'd be fine going with her as friends.

With that being said, what do I do now? My first reaction was to just pretend like I didn't hear anything and just assume she was going. But then I began to think a little deeper, and I started wondering, what if I'm stepping in between what should be a more important family bond? Yaaa I know, I am the prize, but this is different because it has to do with her FAMILY. Do I just go up to her and say, "Hey I heard your sister's wedding is the same day as prom. Are you sure you can go?" And IF I do that, how should I play it? Should I "encourage" her to be with her family? Or should I "encourage" her to do what she wants?

Lastly, this is a little crazy now but on Friday night I couldn't help but notice that she put up a Facebook status about having her best friend be there when she needed her...for some reason I keep speculating that she had a fight with her parents (she mentioned fighting with her mom before to me) over going to prom/sister's wedding.

Well guys, usually in my journal here my questions answer themselves over time. This time, I would REALLY like any input from you guys...

EDIT: And more...she just texted me. I think it's the first time she's texted me out of the blue.
Her: Hey when does your team play this week...?
Me: Thursday. How bout you guys??
Her: _______. But, sometime, whenever you want, can we talk. Don't worry you didn't do anything lol
Me: How bout right now
Her: I hate the phone lol so bad idea. Lol
Me: No not phone. Where do you live
Her: Oh lol uh is there a starbucks open or is that closed at 9. My house is chaotic right now for lots of reasons lol
Me: Give me ur address I'll pick you up. I gotta go to jewel anyway
Her: hold on my dinner is cooking right now lol. Can we go to starbucks or something after my meet tomorrow, or no. Don't worry it shouldn't be anything too bad lol
Me: What time is your meet over? I have a meeting at 6 and I don't know how long it lasts
Her: Around 630
Me: K I'll call you after the meeting
Her: Ok sounds good. Sorry to bring this up at 9:30 lol
Me: Seriously Sherman C??? You know me better. Its like morning right now. And stop apologizing for everything!!!!
Her: Haha I always apologize...its in my blood I guess
Me: Stop it. I hate apologies
Her: I will try

Sounds fishy, and I have a bad feeling about this...for some reason I just really wanna get it over with tonight. I think in like half an hour I'll text her "I'm going to jewel now. You coming with me?"

Either way, if we DON'T meet tonight, I will still see her at school tomorrow. When I see her, I DON'T ACT DIFFERENTLY AT ALL. Right??? (and don't mention meeting or seem concerned about it)

 

[Igetit!]

I guess my concern is is she gonna choose prom over wedding because she WANTS to GO WITH ME? Or because she doesn't want to "hurt" me by telling me she can't go?

I SERIOUSLY DOUBT that she's choosing the prom over her sister's wedding.

A wedding is a big event. It's a milestone in someone's life.

I can't image all the grief and criticizm she'd get from her mother,father,from the sister herself and other relatives if she told them she was going to miss the wedding just so she wouldn't hurt your feelings.

They'd be like,"Well,what about your sister's feelings?".


To be honest,this doesn't make sense. I'd do like you suggested....

call her up or better yet,talk with her at school.


I'd be like,"Hey Sherman C,let me talk to you for a minute. Hey,I heard that your sister's wedding is on the same day as the prom. Is that true? Because if it is,you need to go to that wedding".



Now like I said,this doesn't make any sense.


Just get in touch with her and ask her for yourself to make sure you know when the wedding is.

 

[BongDuy]

I SERIOUSLY DOUBT that she's choosing the prom over her sister's wedding.

A wedding is a big event. It's a milestone in someone's life.

I can't image all the grief and criticizm she'd get from her mother,father,from the sister herself and other relatives if she told them she was going to miss the wedding just so she wouldn't hurt your feelings.

They'd be like,"Well,what about your sister's feelings?".


To be honest,this doesn't make sense. I'd do like you suggested....

call her up or better yet,talk with her at school.


I'd be like,"Hey Sherman C,let me talk to you for a minute. Hey,I heard that your sister's wedding is on the same day as the prom. Is that true? Because if it is,you need to go to that wedding".



Now like I said,this doesn't make any sense.


Just get in touch with her and ask her for yourself to make sure you know when the wedding is.

this

 

[sageproduct]

Fwck...

Tuesday, April 13, 2010

I don't know what's worse, this whole prom thing or the nice guy in me making a return trip.

Sherman C-athletic girl

Met her at starbucks at 6. Started out with small talk for about 10-15 minutes. Then I realized, sh1t she doesn't have the balls to start this. So I did by saying "I heard about your sister's wedding" and she was upset that I heard because she said she had only told one person about it, her "best friend".

I lean in and say, "You need to go to that wedding." Now I was expecting her to be touched by this, but she seemed to barely react. She kept telling me how much she wanted to go to prom and not her sister's wedding. As it turns out, it seems this meeting is more me comforting her than her apologizing for not being able to go.

Here's the kicker--she started telling me about how evil and what a bad person her sister is. She told me how she didn't even know how old her sister was, and that she treated the whole family like total sh1t and doesn't deserve anything. I was totally unprepared for this.

Now before the meeting, I guess I was still hoping for her to be able to go to prom with me. Subconsciously, I was HOPING that by telling her to go to her sister's wedding, it would make her want to go to Prom with me more. WRONG. Plus, now I would be being dishonest by telling her I want her to go to the wedding. I wasn't speaking from my heart anymore, not being a man and making it clear what I want.

Nonetheless, I stuck firm with what I was saying and continued being adamant that she should go to the wedding...it got to the point where I was almost forcing her to go to the wedding...FWCK!!! At this point I should have just gotten the fwck outta there and told her it was her choice!! She just kept talking about how bad her sister is, and I just kept telling her she should go anyway.

The chairs were spaced awkwardly apart, so I said "Let's go outside". This also allowed me to kino her way more. At some point I said "There are other girls who want to go to prom but don't have dates." She said, "If I don't go to prom, promise that you'll ask someone else?" And I said, "Well I'm gonna ask someone else and you're gonna go to that wedding." She replied, "Well you leave me no choice then if you ask someone else..."

At this point she seemed even more upset when I said I'd ask someone else. She begged me to tell her who I was gonna ask, and I refused to because it's my "personal policy" not to tell anyone. I didn't give in, and she made me promise to tell her as soon as I did the asking.

I walked her to her car and gave her a hug. FFFF maybe I could have kissed her here or would it have been inappropriate???? Instead I put my forehead on hers and said, "I think you're great." Without batting an eye, she replied, "I don't."

---Was that ultimate AFC behavior? Or was it acceptable here? I hate the thought of the AFC nice guy in me coming out again because sometimes I feel like I need to be an a$$hole to get rid of the nice guy before I can just be a confident DJ who is a good person but not a "nice guy".

I'm just realizing now that if I still want to game her, I can...(and that's a totally different matter) not going to prom doesn't make a huge difference. But I keep feeling sorry for her...this girl's NEVER been to a high school dance EVER. Seriously, that's fwckin sad that she's gonna miss out on such a big experience of high school.

 

[Igetit!]

I lean in and say, "You need to go to that wedding." Now I was expecting her to be touched by this, but she seemed to barely react. She kept telling me how much she wanted to go to prom and not her sister's wedding. As it turns out, it seems this meeting is more me comforting her than her apologizing for not being able to go.

This is bad,but unless I'm mistaken,you've said in the past that you already know that you're in the friendzone with this girl,so I guess it doesn't matter.

Here's the kicker--she started telling me about how evil and what a bad person her sister is. She told me how she didn't even know how old her sister was, and that she treated the whole family like total sh1t and doesn't deserve anything.

Emotional tampon.


You were trying to get a straight understanding about her possibly having a prior engagement that conflicts with the two of you going to the prom together,and she STOLE THE FRAME and had you acting like Dr. Phil,listening to her emotional problems and family issues.

Now before the meeting, I guess I was still hoping for her to be able to go to prom with me. Subconsciously, I was HOPING that by telling her to go to her sister's wedding, it would make her want to go to Prom with me more. WRONG.

Boy,you weren't kidding when you said that the "nice guy" in you had returned.

You need to get your mind detoxed. You seem to be still influenced by tv,movies,and Hollywood,where the nice guy always gets the girl.


You know that's bull. Heck,even Steve Erkel ended up with the girl in his tv show,and we ALL know better than that.

Nonetheless, I stuck firm with what I was saying and continued being adamant that she should go to the wedding...it got to the point where I was almost forcing her to go to the wedding...FWCK!!! At this point I should have just gotten the fwck outta there and told her it was her choice!! She just kept talking about how bad her sister is, and I just kept telling her she should go anyway.

Wow. Looks like she just insisted on pouring out her emotional trash on you.

At some point I said "There are other girls who want to go to prom but don't have dates." She said, "If I don't go to prom, promise that you'll ask someone else?" And I said, "Well I'm gonna ask someone else and you're gonna go to that wedding." She replied, "Well you leave me no choice then if you ask someone else..."

At this point she seemed even more upset when I said I'd ask someone else. She begged me to tell her who I was gonna ask, and I refused to because it's my "personal policy" not to tell anyone. I didn't give in, and she made me promise to tell her as soon as I did the asking.

Why is she so concerned with who you ask to the prom? She's got a wedding to go to.



You know what I'd like to know? I wonder what would have happened if you had not approached her and said anything to her about the wedding.


I say that because I doubt she'd still go to the prom. She'd be under too pressure from her family to go to the wedding.




I also wonder how long she's known about the prom and the wedding being on the same day,and if she's known for a while,why she told her friend but never said anything to you.

I walked her to her car and gave her a hug. FFFF maybe I could have kissed her here or would it have been inappropriate????

Uhhh..no,it would have been innapropriate.

This was just a meeting to get the facts straight,not a date.

Instead I put my forehead on hers and said, "I think you're great." Without batting an eye, she replied, "I don't."

You told her you think she's great,and she said,"I don't"?

More emotional tampon.

---Was that ultimate AFC behavior?

Well,I wouldn't say "ultimate",but it wasn't good.

I'm just realizing now that if I still want to game her, I can...(and that's a totally different matter)

You think you can still game her from the friendzone?

Uh...ok.

If you think you can,then go for it,but honestly I don't see how.

For one,there's nothing sexual here.

No flirting,no teasing,no sexual innuendo,no commenting on her looks,no nothing.


Also,SHE KEEPS stealing the frame and talking about her emotional problems,and instead of you taking it back and turning the convo onto the two of you,you just listen to her.

You can't game a girl under these conditions.

But I keep feeling sorry for her...

See what I mean? You feel sorry for her.

She got you with all of her emotional babble. She goes on and on about all the problems and issues in her life,and she sucked you into feeling bad for her.



It's because she keeps stealing the frame and making you listen to her.

this girl's NEVER been to a high school dance EVER. Seriously, that's fwckin sad that she's gonna miss out on such a big experience of high school.

It looks like she's got you into the "Captain-save-a-ho" mentality.



Is it sad that she's never gone to a high school dance? Well maybe it is,but what's that to YOU?



She's a big girl. She can take care of herself.



You have your OWN life to take care of and worry about. It's your job to make YOUR high school years what you want them to be.




It's not your responsibility to fly all over the world like Superman making sure all high school girls all over the planet go to at least one high school dance before they graduate.



Sherman C can take care of herself. It's her high experience. If she doesn't go to a dance,it's her fault.




You need to stop letting her unload her emotional baggage on you.

 

[sageproduct]

You think you can still game her from the friendzone?

Uh...ok.

Lol...my mind went mushy.

Thanks again for your time, I really needed it. Once again, you've shown me the light...her sh1t is neither my business nor my responsibility.

Anyway...I know it shouldn't really be the time for it, but I want to try to be sexual with her in some way now, partly so that I can practice controlling the frame, and partly because I've just realized I won't be able to stand being friends with this girl. I'll need a rejection to get over her.

Apart from that, I know who I'm going to ask to prom now-I posted her a longggg time ago in this thread: Binny K. She was my first kiss, we did LIGHT kissing a few times, then she lost interest because I wasn't being sexual and overdid C&F so much to the point that I was almost just being socially awkward...but I've basically NC'ed her til now and she's been trying to call and text me lately.

You need to get your mind detoxed. You seem to be still influenced by tv,movies,and Hollywood,where the nice guy always gets the girl.

And fwck!!! You know what scene kept playing in my head today? The one scene from Wedding Crashers that I SHOULDN'T be thinking about, where Owen Wilson says "You deserve someone great" and the girl goes in and kisses him. Wow.

 

[Igetit!]

Thanks again for your time, I really needed it. Once again, you've shown me the light...her sh1t is neither my business nor my responsibility.

That's right.


YOU are responsible for YOU.


There's nothing wrong with trying to help someone,but when helping them comes at the expensive of your OWN LIFE and HAPPINESS,that's when you need to back off and let them deal with their own business.

Anyway...I know it shouldn't really be the time for it, but I want to try to be sexual with her in some way now,

I don't know if this is such a good idea. If you start trying to get sexual with her all of the sudden,things are going to start to get weird between you two.


You can still do it if you want,but be prepared for a WHOLE LOT of awkwardness.

I'll need a rejection to get over her.

Well,getting sexual with her WILL give you closure with her,one way or another,I just don't understand why you'd need be to be rejected to move on.


I don't understand it,but if that's what you need,then go for it.

Apart from that, I know who I'm going to ask to prom now-I posted her a longggg time ago in this thread: Binny K. She was my first kiss, we did LIGHT kissing a few times, then she lost interest because I wasn't being sexual and overdid C&F so much to the point that I was almost just being socially awkward...but I've basically NC'ed her til now and she's been trying to call and text me lately.

Yeah,I'd drop this "Sherman C" chick and focus more on realistic options.

This "Binny K" girl,since there has been some type of physical affection between you two,then that means that at one time,she did feel some type of attraction towards you,and that's GOOD.


That means that it MAY BE possble to re-ignite her attraction.


This is different from the friendzone. With the friendzone,there's nothing there to rekindle. There was never any loss of interest,because there was never any interest to start with.



I'd just drop sherman C altogether and focus on this Binny k girl. I'd go sexual with her.



Start out small,with a few light comments. If she responses well,then gradually step it up.


Start out by telling her that YOU WANT her to come to the prom WITH YOU.


Put your energy into her,forget Sherman C. She seems too screwed up to deal with right now.

And fwck!!! You know what scene kept playing in my head today? The one scene from Wedding Crashers that I SHOULDN'T be thinking about, where Owen Wilson says "You deserve someone great" and the girl goes in and kisses him. Wow.

Ha,ha,ha...and you told Sherman C that she was "great".


Yeah dude,you need to detox from all those Hollywood romance movies.

 

[sageproduct]

Ha,ha,ha...and you told Sherman C that she was "great".

LOL, spot on.

Wednesday, April 14, 2010

Was just in kind of a below average mood today...nothing too bad though. Talked to Sherman C a little bit and it was pretty much like normal...and yep I realized there's no point trying to go anywhere with her. In fact, I was bored of just talking to her. She's so used to getting attention from me that she hardly contributes. (this includes kino too, she never kinoes me back...)

Well, I'll be wiping her off my mind.

Binny K-about to go ask her to prom in a bit.

And really...that's it for today. Nothing really happened. I've noticed though, that all this time I've been posting about how much better and more confident I feel. I realized today that what I meant is I'm much better SOCIALLY, but not necessarily in terms of my game. The two are very different. I'm tons more social than I was before, but not sexual yet.

 

[sageproduct]

Thursday, April 15, 2010

Last night-asked Binny K to prom. When I showed up at her house, she was asleep and her mom had to wake her up. I DIDN'T apologize of course, lol. She said yes, I gave her a hug, then got the fwck outta there.

Being Sexual

Now instead of trying to come up with and can "sexual" lines to say, I've been trying to change myself from the inside out. I've been trying to be as open about my sexual interests as much as I can and being more comfortable with showing it.

Today I walked past Gina L (last year's prom date, now my practice b1tch) in the hall. She was wearing a sexy dress. I did what I felt like doing, and I ended up greeting her with her name. Then I looked her up and down and simply said, "Nice." I even surprised myself with this, and she was surprised too since I've known her for over a year and I'd NEVER been sexual before with her, EVEN WHEN WE WERE FWCKING PROM DATES.

Binny K (prom date, current target)

I had a big competition for my sport today, and Binny K had come to watch. She was gone by the time I was done, but I pulled my phone out to see a text from her. Here's how the convo went:

Her: Nice job hot shot. blah blah asking about competition
Me: Not well..blah blah blah something about my teammate
Her: Hey at least you won! Thats good! blah blah about my teammate
Me: [my teammate] is the MAN
Her: Haha we would cheer for him and he would just smile haha where as you were hard core and serious...
Me: I'm always hard...core
Her: Ha ha ha you think your so clever

I stopped responding there.

This girl is known to text a lot. Last week or so, she's been sending me a LOT of random texts, trying to start convos. Probably about one every 2 or 3 days on average. I think I've responded to maybe...2 or 3 of them total, including this one. It's not necessarily interest though...it's possible that she just wanted to try to get me to ask her to prom cuz she was desperate for a date.

So now where do I go from here? I think my main question is DATE OR NON-DATE? Do I make it clear from the get-go that I'm taking her on a ROMANTIC date or do I make it a "non-date" like "hey i'm running errands come with me"?

I know under normal circumstances I should make my intentions CLEAR. BUT, this is different because I've had history with her. Back in November I lightly kissed her a few times...then she lost interest because I was not being sexual and was overusing C&F.

Does it make any sense when I say that previously overusing C&F would make her uninterested now if I asked her to do an activity which is kind of obvious for hooking up?

EDIT: Something good here...UNLIKE most of the girls I post about here, I really don't give a fwck about Binny K...meaning I'm not really attracted to her in any more than just a physical way. I mean, she's got a very nice body (sexiest abs i've seen) and a decent face and is definitely good-looking enough but...I just don't "like like" her at all.

...All of which HELPS my game because I honestly don't give a fwck about losing her or "screwing up" what she thinks of me.

 

[sageproduct]

Tuesday, April 20, 2010

Not much goin on these last few days. Even today, my school day was short cuz I had to go to traffic court. Nothing special either cuz I don't smoke.

Binny K (first kiss back in nov, prom date, target)

Been trying to catch her at school to make plans with her but just haven't seen her at all. She's been initiating texting with me like crazy. If I don't respond for a while, she'll send me another one. Most of it has to do with prom stuff though, like logistics (are we going to post-prom, who's in the group, blah blah). However, I remember back in November when she DEFINITElY was interested in me she would ALWAYS find some kind of excuse to text me.

I've been responding very inconsistently. Maybe this pisses her off? I think she tried to throw that right back at me by being intentionally unavailable today in our text convo.

Her: blah something about our guy friend asking a girl friend to prom
Me: blah
Her: blah
Me: (20 min later, completely out of the blue) What are you doing friday
Her: Im booked this weekend (bull SH1T. i KNOW this b1tch doesn't have plans already. lol)
Me: What about sunday
Her: Why?
Me: I want you to come get my tux with me
Her: Oh um...idk when i can... (BLATANT game-playing)
Me: K well I'm goin on friday then. Whatd you injure?

blah blah. Today at school right when I got there I saw her on crutches. She seemed extremely depressed, and I was still barely awake so I just didn't feel like talking to her and trying to cheer her up. I didn't see her again at school.

Her: K I'll keep you posted for friday. howd you find out?
Me: Just heard you roughed someone up...and I was like yep that's Binny K (a blatant lie, lol)

Blah blah we sent a few more back and forth about prom deets until I didn't feel like responding anymore.

I know being scarce over text and using it sparingly is ideal. I know I should send texts that don't require a response. I know they are just little messages to keep a girl interested/revved up. Or to make plans.

The only problem is, the version of me who kissed her a few times in november didn't know this. That version of me made too much normal conversation over text and was too accomodating. Since she's used to that from me before, she probably thinks I'm just playing some "game" with her by being so aloof all of a sudden over texting. Whatever, she'll just have to see first-hand that I HAVE changed...

 

[eaglez1177]

Tuesday, April 20, 2010

Not much goin on these last few days. Even today, my school day was short cuz I had to go to traffic court. Nothing special either cuz I don't smoke.

Binny K (first kiss back in nov, prom date, target)I know I only post in this thread rarely, but this came out as a big red flag to me. You've only "lightly" kissed her a few times back in nov, and have had nothing in between, thus you've already messed this one up. If this chick was truly interested, you two wouldve hooked up multiple times between now and the first kiss in november. You're way better off trying to get with other girls that you're on a clean slate with; it'll be much easier then trying to re-ignite interest.

Been trying to catch her at school to make plans with her but just haven't seen her at all. Again, another red flag. You're just trying to make plans with her NOW? Cuz if thats the case, then your months late, and have alread missed your chance. Girls usually dont wait around for guys. If you have been trying to hang out with her multiple times between now and november, and you still havent gotten any action, then this whole thing with her is definitely a lost cause.She's been initiating texting with me like crazy.So what. A lot of girls do this for attention. If I don't respond for a while, she'll send me another one. Most of it has to do with prom stuff though, like logistics (are we going to post-prom, who's in the group, blah blah). However, I remember back in November when she DEFINITElY was interested in me she would ALWAYS find some kind of excuse to text me.Yet another red flag. The fact that you have to go back and "remember" when she definitely liked you just proves that shes probably not interested in you any more (NOW). Cuz if things were the same as they were back in november, there would be no need to go back and "remember" when she liked you.

I've been responding very inconsistently. Maybe this pisses her off? I think she tried to throw that right back at me by being intentionally unavailable today in our text convo.

Her: blah something about our guy friend asking a girl friend to prom
Me: blah
Her: blah
Me: (20 min later, completely out of the blue) What are you doing fridayI dont recommend asking a girl this. Reason: if you ask them what their doing, it sorta leaves the power with them, because now THEY are the ones who decide how things will go, either by easily making up a bs excuse, or being legit and saying they're around.
Her: Im booked this weekend (bull SH1T. i KNOW this b1tch doesn't have plans already. lol)
Me: What about sunday
Her: Why?
Me: I want you to come get my tux with me
Her: Oh um...idk when i can... (BLATANT game-playing)Well I wouldnt really call it game playing. I think she was just caught a little off guard by this cuz from my experience, the girls usually never go with the guys to get their tux lol.
Me: K well I'm goin on friday then. Whatd you injure?

blah blah. Today at school right when I got there I saw her on crutches. She seemed extremely depressed, and I was still barely awake so I just didn't feel like talking to her and trying to cheer her up. I didn't see her again at school.

Her: K I'll keep you posted for friday. howd you find out?Lol. Shell keep you posted? Thats pretty much translated to "im gonna put that off and not really think about it cuz I dont feel like getting your tux with you" Notice the difference between that and an answer like "yea sure id love to help you pick out tuxedos!"
Me: Just heard you roughed someone up...and I was like yep that's Binny K (a blatant lie, lol)

Blah blah we sent a few more back and forth about prom deets until I didn't feel like responding anymore.

I know being scarce over text and using it sparingly is ideal. I know I should send texts that don't require a response.Yea, but dont do that all the time, cuz sending a lot of texts that dont require responses can make the conversation die out. A big part of conversation with women is to get them to do most of the talking I know they are just little messages to keep a girl interested/revved up. Or to make plans.

The only problem is, the version of me who kissed her a few times in november didn't know this. That version of me made too much normal conversation over text and was too accomodating. Since she's used to that from me before, she probably thinks I'm just playing some "game" with her by being so aloof all of a sudden over texting. Whatever, she'll just have to see first-hand that I HAVE changed...

I know you've changed, and its clearly evident to me, but the fact of the matter is that you screwed this thing up with Binny K back when you were unchanged. Because of that, the old you dug yourself a big hole, and in my opinion this hole will be tough to get out of, and i know you're taking her to prom, but I really think its in your best interest to focus on other girls and take alot of focus/time off Binny K, cuz its really not gonna go anywhere.

 

[Igetit!]

I know you've changed, and its clearly evident to me, but the fact of the matter is that you screwed this thing up with Binny K back when you were unchanged.

Wow Eaglez.

This part of your reply here impressed me.


+1 rep.