sageproduct's senior year field reports.

[sageproduct]

If you have been trying to hang out with her multiple times between now and november, and you still havent gotten any action, then this whole thing with her is definitely a lost cause.

Actually, once she stopped showing interest in me in november, I basically NC'd her. She ended up tagging along with me to a party (i didn't ask her to or tell her to, she knew i was going to one and offered to drive me) a few months ago. I still didn't try to make any plans with her, yet for a couple weeks after that she kept asking if I was going to any parties. Now, I know that that wasn't interest, it was just her wanting to go to a party. But, at each of these parties I definitely got DHV in her eyes as she definitely saw me talk to and kino lots of different girls.

That whole time, I didn't show any kind of interest in her.

About a month ago, she started sending me texts out of the blue. I hardly ever responded. I figured she was trying to get me to ask her to prom. I asked a different girl a couple weeks ago. She couldn't go cuz of a wedding. Then I asked Binny K cuz I knew she'd go with me and i didn't really have other options...and decided I might as well sexualize it as much as I can

 

[eaglez1177]

Actually, once she stopped showing interest in me in november, I basically NC'd her. She ended up tagging along with me to a party (i didn't ask her to or tell her to, she knew i was going to one and offered to drive me) a few months ago. I still didn't try to make any plans with her, yet for a couple weeks after that she kept asking if I was going to any parties. Now, I know that that wasn't interest, it was just her wanting to go to a party. But, at each of these parties I definitely got DHV in her eyes as she definitely saw me talk to and kino lots of different girls.

That whole time, I didn't show any kind of interest in her.

About a month ago, she started sending me texts out of the blue. I hardly ever responded. I figured she was trying to get me to ask her to prom. I asked a different girl a couple weeks ago. She couldn't go cuz of a wedding. Then I asked Binny K cuz I knew she'd go with me and i didn't really have other options...and decided I might as well sexualize it as much as I can

Ahh ok...sry but what do you mean by "NC" lol? Nexted? And same with DHV lol. Idk ive never been good with remembering all these acroynms.

Anyways, it seems to me that you've been "on the fence" with this girl since november. That would probably be because you dont actually "like" her, but are instead just physically attracted, and she has become that girl who you would "try to get with her cuz shes hot but wouldnt really put a whole lot of effort into it cuz theres not much substance (other than physical) to the attraction"

Thats the kind of vibe im getting from this whole thing. The only thing that really made you change your mind about this girl (making her your "target") was the fact that you're going to prom with her, and that you wanna try to make things more sexual so you can make it easier to get ass from her at prom.

One thing ive learned from my experiences with girls: Either go for it all, or don't go for it all, and nothing in between. That means that if you want to try getting with a girl, put everything you've got into it. Dont be "on the fence" and unsure about what you wanna do (the "nothing in between" part). You be the man and make the decision. Dont be "ehh well idk I dont actually like her but then again shes pretty hot so ill see how things go/see what I wanna do". No. You gotta just be able to see a girl, and make a decision right there about what you wanna do. Its either, "yes im gonna try my hardest to get with her" or "no im not interested". When you start getting unsure and going "in between" the two main decisions, that is when screw yourself over.

 

[sageproduct]

Ahh ok...sry but what do you mean by "NC" lol? Nexted? And same with DHV lol. Idk ive never been good with remembering all these acroynms.

Anyways, it seems to me that you've been "on the fence" with this girl since november. That would probably be because you dont actually "like" her, but are instead just physically attracted, and she has become that girl who you would "try to get with her cuz shes hot but wouldnt really put a whole lot of effort into it cuz theres not much substance (other than physical) to the attraction"

Thats the kind of vibe im getting from this whole thing. The only thing that really made you change your mind about this girl (making her your "target") was the fact that you're going to prom with her, and that you wanna try to make things more sexual so you can make it easier to get ass from her at prom.

One thing ive learned from my experiences with girls: Either go for it all, or don't go for it all, and nothing in between. That means that if you want to try getting with a girl, put everything you've got into it. Dont be "on the fence" and unsure about what you wanna do (the "nothing in between" part). You be the man and make the decision. Dont be "ehh well idk I dont actually like her but then again shes pretty hot so ill see how things go/see what I wanna do". No. You gotta just be able to see a girl, and make a decision right there about what you wanna do. Its either, "yes im gonna try my hardest to get with her" or "no im not interested". When you start getting unsure and going "in between" the two main decisions, that is when screw yourself over.

Yep...and this really fwcked me up with her the first time. If I had "liked" her or at least made my effort, I would have gone way farther with her.

NC-no contact...yes, "nexted". basically what I meant is that I NEVER made any attempt to contact her via phone/text/facebook, didn't initiate any contact with her. On the rare occasion that I saw her at school during a passing period, I'd act polite but uninterested.

DHV-demonstrating high value...I only mentioned it cuz before, even when she was interested me, she knew me as a shy guy who didn't really talk to girls. I noted that interacting with and kinoing other girls in front of her would have changed that

And right on about my feelings toward her, as well as only being interested because I'm taking her to prom. She's got a great body, she's in great shape. Good face. I'd get turned on by her. She's not even a b1tch or anything...I just don't "like like" her at all. But for me, that shouldn't matter right now.

Shelly S (girl in a class)

I've posted about her a couple times before. There's a history with her (one-itis and ljbf but i havent seen or talked to her since), but it was a LONG time ago and I don't think it even matters (for reasons i won't waste space here to list).

I have a class with her. On my way to it, I was talking to some kid at the bottom of the stairs, and right as I split with him she got to the bottom. (at this point, i think she might think i hate her...) She was starting to just walk away, but I called her name out.

Me: Shelly S, how you doin?
Her: Good, how are you
Me: Doin well. How's _____ (some project for our class) going?
Her: blah blah (she finished it over spring break)
Me: Geez Shelly S...that's like 3 weeks ago. Wooooow. You're in good shape then.
Her: Blah blah
Me: (didnt feel like explaining how i hadnt started the project so i changed the subject) So are you all caught up on Lost (tv show we both watch)?
Her: (stopping at her locker, i turn around to face her) No, I didn't watch last night, I had too much homework (finally got some good eye contact here). I'm gonna watch it on friday
Me: Yeah, me neither

At this point...I ejected and finished walking to class and started talking to one of my buddies. BAD HABIT. I keep ejecting too early with girls, and just with people in general...I guess I've been a little paranoid of being clingy.

The conversation had lasted about 20 seconds. Not enough time to make a close, but if I hadn't ejected so damn early I probably could have # closed her and made plans to watch Lost with her on friday, or some time this weekend.

I also need to act more comfortable with this girl. She's a pretty nerdy type (if you couldn't tell by the way she talked, lol) who only has girl friends and doesn't have very developed social skills so it felt a little awkward to talk to her. Well all that means is it's up to me to set the tone.

 

[888]

ehh I feel kind of weird dispensing advice seeing how you've been on this site much longer than I have, but one thing I noticed in your last post is that you were too neutral when talking to her.

What I mean is you should avoid mundane, everyday topics like school or TV. You really need to kick it up a notch, and lead the conversation away from everyday topics and into something more sexually/emotionally charged. (i/e project-> spring break -> drunk girls-> hookups/boobs/crazy stories/whatever)

Its better for her to feel a *little* sense of danger and discomfort than to have her feel completely secure with you. You want to be the archetypal rebel with a good heart.

 

[sageproduct]

^^Yep, always trying to work that into any conversation I have with a girl...kinda tough to get it going from the start naturally. For now, at least.

Thursday, April 22, 2010

Muncie M (hot girl w/bf of 2 years, good friend)

Just practicing being sexual...she wore a short pink skirt today and looked FWCKING HOT. We were joking around about some guy she likes to creep on, and I said, "Don't change when you get home. Make sure he sees your sexy skirt." She was a little shocked, I could tell, at me at least acknowledging her sexually.

Ended up hanging out a bit later, the conversation was kind of sensual except we were joking about her and this guy. I was giving her the bedroom eyes and voice, and even though it wasn't actual flirting, I could tell it had an effect on her as she started laughing much more and kinoed me more than usual.

Binny K (prom date)

Saw her for like 2 seconds right after school. She was with Muncie M. I threw some prom thing at her that came with the tickets for her to have. Then I talked to Muncie M for a bit. Binny K just looked like she was in a sh1tty A$$ mood, so I kinda left her alone. I think I asked her one question maybe. She's still on crutches. I think I asked her how her ankle was feeling, and Muncie M sh1t-tested me for her by saying "She can't go to prom." I basically ignored that statement and made sure not to change my facial expression or body language when she said that. Muncie M turned to me and said, "Wanna carry Binny K's books and help me walk her to the nurse?" I really did not want to, so I told her I had to go straight home after school.

An hour ago I got a text from her saying she could go get the tux with me tomorrow...but now I can't anymore. It's either Saturday or Sunday, but I literally don't know because I'm busy with a sh1t ton.

 

[sageproduct]

Sunday, April 25, 2010

Weekend-nothing to note. Binny K (prom date) and I texted a couple times, just for prom stuff. Saturday she sent me one saying "lets go get your tux" cuz I'd been telling her to come with me to get it a few times, but I just didn't respond cuz I didn't feel like going.

Prom is on Saturday. Today is Sunday, 6 days before. I jacked off today for the last time before prom so that I will be at max horniness. :rock:

One question-I've talked to/interacted with Binny K very little the last couple weeks. I've seen her like twice maybe, for 5 seconds each time. Only effort I made to see her was for her to get my tux with me--and our schedules didn't match up (we both play sports and have some AP tests coming up, so we're very busy).

On prom night--when we're on the dance floor--we'll be grinding most of the time. Then, they'll play some slow songs, and a lot of couples make out. My question is--if she rejects once, should I keep trying? I remember reading a field report where the girl finally kissed after the guy tried six times. I honestly don't care if it gets awkward if she rejects my kiss and know I'll play it cool but do I keep going back in?

 

[888]

Make sure to make some time for Binny dude! What's your rationale for not going to get a tux with her? You've been bugging her to go with you, and when she finally tries to make time, you ignore her because you just "don't feel like it"?? You can't just not talk to her for a couple weeks and then expect her to be all over you at prom; you need to build consistently so that when prom does roll around, you'll be set.


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Also F*CK AP TESTS. Everyone at my school is in a sh*tty mood (including myself) because we're all a bunch of nerds and we're all freaking out about APs.

The college board is getting in the way of my penis

 

[sageproduct]

Wednesday, April 28, 2010

Nothing the past few days.

Today

Binny K (prom date)

I'm hanging out with some teammates at a restaurant after our competition today, and Binny K texts me asking if I want to go get my tux with her, and offers me a ride. I'm very reluctant to leave my team cuz we were completely goofing off and having a blast, but I pretty much have to in order to get my tux on time.

I made her wait half an hour, then she picked me up from the restaurant. She came out of her car to get me, I gave her a hug. At first, I was getting directions on my phone to the place we were going. Then, we started talking. She mentioned seeing me in some newspaper (free DHV yay) and blah blah.

Honestly, I'm still struggling with being sexual, romantic, flirty. I've definitely made big strides in confidence, dominance, challenge, and control, but that last element-the cherry on top-the sexuality-still isn't really there in my behavior with girls.

I had no problem making sexual jokes earlier today with a couple friends who were girls when we were in a large group of people. In the car with Binny K, I just couldn't really jump on any innuendos.

I had one attempt at creating attraction--as she was talking, I interrupted her and said, "I like your earring." She seemed a little weirded out and said thanks. Probably because she's too used to me teasing her and thought I was trying to neg her in some way when I was giving her a genuine compliment. I think I should have said "I like how you look in those earrings" and said it slower.

We drove to the place, got my tux, and she dropped me off at home cuz I had to go pick up my dad. Only a couple other times did the topic of conversation come close to being sexual
-we started talking about dreams, now sh1t i realize i could have easily turned that into a sexual topic
-she said in a dream there was a sour patch guy in her room and I said in a deep voice "Heeey baby. Wanna get sour?" which doesn't even make sense, but she laughed at it.
-I mentioned how her soccer team took each others' phones and texted dirty things to random guys...that topic died down quickly

Other Notes-
-The only good thing I have with Binny K right now is being a challenge. She knows I asked someone else to prom before her, I've blown off her texts multiple times, been too busy for her, when talking to her I occasionally just completely ignore what she says if I don't want to talk about whatever she says, etc. But I know that this won't do ANYTHING for me if I don't telegraph some sexual interest.
-I think I know why I'm not very interested in her--she's not very flirty herself. She doesn't maintain eye contact, she doesn't smile much, she doesn't really kino me. I know that seems like signs of disinterest, but back in september I remember that she was the same way and I thought it meant she had low interest in me...when actually she had high interest. I guess it's just how she is.
-On the way to the place, I was mainly driving the conversation, creating new topics and blah. On the way home, I just let the convo die down a few times and every time she started it up again.

EDIT: Can anyone throw me a few canned sexual/flirty/innuendo lines just to get me started? I know I can't rely on these but it'll help me break the wall and start thinking on the fly

 

[Mr.Freestyler19]

say " i am like a shower....if you turn me on i'll make you wet!

 

[sageproduct]

^Lol but I mean, when could I throw that in?

EDIT:
Just thought of one I could have used yesterday--

I commented on how it was cool that she drives stickshift. I could have said, "would you be as good driving my stick?"

 

[Mr.Freestyler19]

idk for me it comes out naturally..

 

[sageproduct]

Saturday, May 1, 2010

PROM

Binny K (date)

When I picked her up, I hugged her and said "I really like how you look". Another attraction line was "I like how graceful you're walking in that long dress".

Have I become antisocial?

I felt like I was in my own world tonight. I did whatever the fwck I wanted, whatever the fwck I felt like doing. I would outright ignore things Binny K said or asked and didn't even feel obligated to keep the conversation going in the car. I only did when I was genuinely interested in something.

Have I taken the whole "not giving a fwck what anyone else thinks" a bit too far? Tonight I felt like I didn't have much social sense/calibration. I made interactions based on how I felt, and people stopped to listen to what I say only because I seemed so confident and passionate about whatever I was saying.

Flirting/being sexual--still lacking. :cuss: Every time I've even made a good innuendo, I feel like it's effects are negated by the "nice" guy within making me say it in a way that isn't threatening or is just joking. Today me, Binny K and another couple were talking about how cold it was, and the other guy mentioned that WE were gonna get HOT. I went along, looked Binny K straight in the eye and made some more comments about getting hot. She liked it. I NEED MORE.

Dancing--we grinded, pretty normal stuff. Near the beginning I got a couple boners. She definitely felt them and grinded harder, but it actually didn't feel that good for me cuz my d1ck was angled off kinda strangely lol...
Then there were a few slow dancing songs. I had "planned" on kissing her during one of these...and so the first few slow songs came. She kept on talking to her friends, the lights were to bright, said myself. Next couple, same deal. Last one, I made a half-hearted attempt--brushed her hair off her face, looked into her eyes for a sec, and gave up when she broke eye contact with a confused look.

Eaglez--gold advice. Most of the time you only get one chance.

So many girls I could have # closed tonight! Or "hang out plans" closed

I'm way too tired to write about them right now...but basically I'm still ejecting myself too quickly, being "too much" of a challenge, and STILL being afraid to show my interest.

 

[sageproduct]

Sunday, May 2, 2010

After prom trip to the dunes

Nothing really "field report"-ish to post. Instead, I'm just gonna write a bit about a little realization I had today on the long car ride home.

Everything I've learned here was swirling through my head...So many of the fwcking girls I've been posting about here and "planning my game" for are girls that I've ALREADY fwcked up with so that it just doesn't make sense to try to escalate with.

So I asked myself--what is it I truly want from girls?
The answer that shouldn't have been there was their attention and affection...over sexual interests. So attention and affection--I could easily get these from friends. And they should come from friendly relationships, not sexual ones. I've been wasting my time and effort trying to jump to nowhere with girls like Binny K and Sherman C. I'll keep them as friends...

Continually "going after" these friends just reeks of desperation. I just started to truly "get" the abundance mentality...I got way too fwcking attached to girls like Sherman C and Mel K. Why get attached when 1) nothing's even happened with them and 2) there are so many fwcking other girls out there?

Besides, this is absolutely not the time to be damaging any friendships. We're all going off to college in a few months, and it'll be so much better to have a bunch of lifelong friends.

Looks like I need to start cold approaching.

Social Circle

Alright, some relevant PU stuff now I guess--social circle behavior. For the most part, I'd say I was a leader in the social group--I made decisions for the group, got people to do things, voiced my opinion, created new topics. However, I have a bad habit when hanging out with a group of people--when the topic turns into something I honestly don't give a sh1t about (which happens a lot sometimes), I just tune my attention away and basically shut myself out of the group, becoming a silent leecher or ejecting completely.

I'm the guy who'll be real chill and sit there, quietly listening to the discussion. I'll only speak if it's meaningful, but when I do, everyone listens to me cuz I speak loudly, confidently, passionately, and usually don't speak just to get a response. I've gotten better at being entertaining--I have some good stories/jokes to tell sometimes, and I've found that people enjoy them so much more than they did before just because I'd act myself like it was the funniest thing in the world.

Problem--I fwcking suck at gaming girls when in a social group setting. I can DHV by cracking jokes with my buds, kinoing girls that I'm friends with, but have trouble engaging any target I'm interested in. I might speak a couple lines with her, asking her generic personal stuff, but usually either 1) suddenly her friends or someone else steals her attention or 2) my attention gets detracted by own friends...leaving me to have to re-engage. And it happens over and over. Once I think about it, though...isolation shouldn't be that difficult. It's as simple as "hey let's go do this while everyone else is doing that" and leading the way.

 

[Igetit!]

Nothing really "field report"-ish to post. Instead, I'm just gonna write a bit about a little realization I had today on the long car ride home.

Everything I've learned here was swirling through my head...So many of the fwcking girls I've been posting about here and "planning my game" for are girls that I've ALREADY fwcked up with so that it just doesn't make sense to try to escalate with.

ABOUT FREAKIN' TIME MAN!!!!


Boy,I was wondering when you were FINALLY going to realize this.


I could never understand why you kept trying to "game" girls you were already in the friendzone with.



I would read your updates and just shake my head.

I'd read where you called some girl a "practice b!tch" and be like,"What is he doing? All he's doing is just wasting his time".



Even though I already knew you were just wasting your time,I didn't reply because it would have been pointless. All I would have said was what I've already said before.



As frustrating as it is,sometimes you just have to stand back and let someone repeatedly fall on their face over and over again until THEY "get it",and I hope you truely do understand now.



It sucks reading your thread when I see you attempting to do something and I ALREADY KNOW you're going to fail,but I can't say anything to you because I know you haven't grown enough yet to understand what I'm trying to tell you.

So I asked myself--what is it I truly want from girls?
The answer that shouldn't have been there was their attention and affection...over sexual interests. So attention and affection--I could easily get these from friends. And they should come from friendly relationships, not sexual ones. I've been wasting my time and effort trying to jump to nowhere with girls like Binny K and Sherman C.

Wow.

Looks like you really have started to grow and understand.


If you truely get that Binny K and Sherman C are both a waste of time,then you are starting to "get it".


You just need to continually keep the BIG PICTURE in mind.


For example,look at Binny K. You've been after her since what,November of last year? And it's currently May of the following year?


Uh....that's a clue,lol.

Continually "going after" these friends just reeks of desperation. I just started to truly "get" the abundance mentality...I got way too fwcking attached to girls like Sherman C and Mel K. Why get attached when 1) nothing's even happened with them and 2) there are so many fwcking other girls out there?

Dude,this almost brings a tear to my eye,lol. :crackup:

Do you realize that there are guys who's been here 5+ years and STILL DON'T understand what you're saying here?

Besides, this is absolutely not the time to be damaging any friendships. We're all going off to college in a few months, and it'll be so much better to have a bunch of lifelong friends.

Agreed.

Looks like I need to start cold approaching.

Right.

You'll start to be a LOT MORE successful when you start showing interest to girls you have NO HISTORY WITH as apposed to girls you've known for a while and have a failed history with.





+1 rep.

 

[sageproduct]

Thanks...still working on myself starting from the inside.

Tuesday, May 4, 2010

Well the heavens threw me a clue today, but I didn't jump on it. We had a competition for the sport I play today, and a girl (i'd rate a 6 or 7) came along with the other school's team. I didn't notice her until after I was done. She was standing by the other team's coach while he started a conversation with me. Based on the topic, the convo was DHV for me and the girl even interrupted to ask me a question. I think I ignored her the whole time, except to briefly answer her question while I continued talking to the coach.

When I was finished talking to the other team's coach, I walked away. Should have started gaming that girl up right in front of that goddamn coach, then isolated her. Later on, I probably had a few chances to approach her but didn't. It would have been a "hot" approach too because I definitely had high situational value, and a few times I'm pretty sure she tried to make eye contact with me.



Approach anxiety is real...no rationalizing, I just gotta "do it"

 

[Diaforetikos]

Sunday, May 2, 2010

After prom trip to the dunes

Nothing really "field report"-ish to post. Instead, I'm just gonna write a bit about a little realization I had today on the long car ride home.

Everything I've learned here was swirling through my head...So many of the fwcking girls I've been posting about here and "planning my game" for are girls that I've ALREADY fwcked up with so that it just doesn't make sense to try to escalate with.

So I asked myself--what is it I truly want from girls?
The answer that shouldn't have been there was their attention and affection...over sexual interests. So attention and affection--I could easily get these from friends. And they should come from friendly relationships, not sexual ones. I've been wasting my time and effort trying to jump to nowhere with girls like Binny K and Sherman C. I'll keep them as friends...

Continually "going after" these friends just reeks of desperation. I just started to truly "get" the abundance mentality...I got way too fwcking attached to girls like Sherman C and Mel K. Why get attached when 1) nothing's even happened with them and 2) there are so many fwcking other girls out there?

Besides, this is absolutely not the time to be damaging any friendships. We're all going off to college in a few months, and it'll be so much better to have a bunch of lifelong friends.

Looks like I need to start cold approaching.

Social Circle

Alright, some relevant PU stuff now I guess--social circle behavior. For the most part, I'd say I was a leader in the social group--I made decisions for the group, got people to do things, voiced my opinion, created new topics. However, I have a bad habit when hanging out with a group of people--when the topic turns into something I honestly don't give a sh1t about (which happens a lot sometimes), I just tune my attention away and basically shut myself out of the group, becoming a silent leecher or ejecting completely.

I'm the guy who'll be real chill and sit there, quietly listening to the discussion. I'll only speak if it's meaningful, but when I do, everyone listens to me cuz I speak loudly, confidently, passionately, and usually don't speak just to get a response. I've gotten better at being entertaining--I have some good stories/jokes to tell sometimes, and I've found that people enjoy them so much more than they did before just because I'd act myself like it was the funniest thing in the world.

Problem--I fwcking suck at gaming girls when in a social group setting. I can DHV by cracking jokes with my buds, kinoing girls that I'm friends with, but have trouble engaging any target I'm interested in. I might speak a couple lines with her, asking her generic personal stuff, but usually either 1) suddenly her friends or someone else steals her attention or 2) my attention gets detracted by own friends...leaving me to have to re-engage. And it happens over and over. Once I think about it, though...isolation shouldn't be that difficult. It's as simple as "hey let's go do this while everyone else is doing that" and leading the way.

This made me smile on the inside. I have been reading your posts ever since I've joined. Every time I saw a new plan you had, I cringed because I knew I couldn't help you. Like Igetit! said, you had to learn it for yourself.

It clicked in my head back in March. Now I see things so differently. I am more direct and don't really care what these girls think of me. I tell them that I think they are cute and just go for it.



One thing that helped me was finding someone to game with. My friend wants to learn how to cold approach. We are both learning and its fun as hell. He is more direct than me so it makes it easier for me to be direct. And we both are super goofy so we don't care about the outcome. Just as long as were having fun.

Thats what its really all about. Having fun. You don't have to micro-manage this sh!t. Just have a goal in mind and have fun.

Your well on your way man. Keep learning.

 

[sageproduct]

Saturday, May 9, 2010

Weak "party" pick-up...still learning

Was at this guy's house with about 20 people, evenly mixed between guys and girls. Only a little bit of booze was there. I didn't know most of the people very well, so at first I wasn't that social cuz everyone else was best friends with each other while I was a bit left out.

At some point I was sitting at a table with a guy I knew on my left and two girls I didn't know on my right. Guy on my left opened them saying "Who are you guys?" (turns out nobody knew them either cuz they were from a differen school, as was I) blah blah. One's a 5 and one's an 8. The 5 tells me and the guy, "This is Zal C, my HOT cousin. She's really hot."

I didn't really react to that cuz I couldn't think of something witty/flirty to say, but in fact asked the 8 where she was from. She named some school like 2 hours away, and I told her I played against someone from her school at state for my sport last year (not a lie...lol). Then told her his name and she got really excited, saying how she'd been "best" friends with him since 1st grade.

This girl was pretty hot. We start chatting a bit. Now I've had a problem of ejecting way too soon, so I made sure not to do it today. When there was a lull in the conversation, I kept it going instead of just leaving.

I think she volunteered her name to me. Her last name was crazy as sh1t, but I asked her to spell it for me twice cuz I wanted to see if I could remember how to spell it. Then I said "Ask me in 2 hours and I bet I'll be able to spell it correctly. " And shook her hand (to agree on the bet). I did NOT eject while saying this, but did it hurt me in a way? By implying that I WOULDN'T have hooked up with her already within 2 hours? Or that we didn't have enough rapport to be hangin out more? Idk.

She asked my name, and I told her my first and last name cuz I had just read an article saying that that makes you more memorable lol. I think it was at this point that she pulled out her Blackberry. I told her I have one too and she said, "Do you have Blackberry Messenger?" I said I didn't see the point in it. She went off saying how cool it was, and I asked her why. She said cuz it was all "instant" and everything, and I pointed out that texting is pretty much instant too. Lol I guess I tried to tease her here? I kinoed her arm too.

She asked for my phone number and said "Here I'll invite you to BBM" , and I straight up gave it to her cuz I couldn't think fast enough of making her qualify herself first to "earn" my number. After acouple minutes, I still hadn't gotten it so I teased her again. At some point, our convo was broken cuz my friend I hadn't seen in a while came over yelling my name and gave me a huge hug lol. I spoke a couple words with him, then Zal C re-engaged me in conversation.

She said "give me your phone" when my phone was out to see something for BlackBerry Messenger and I let her have it (was I being a pushover?) Then, I asked for her number straight up and then spelled out her last name perfectly in front of her eyes. She was amazed.

My estimate for how long we were talking is about 5-10 minutes. We chatted for a little more (I can't remember about what), then I think her friend called her or something and she said "Hey I'll be right back". This left me kind of isolated at the table with no one around me, so instead of waiting for her like a b1tch I left to go talk to some friends.

5 or 10 minutes later, she left the kitchen that everyone was hanging out with. She never came back. About an hour later my friends and I left to go to another house. I didn't see her again.

Outline of what happened

-I think I had good DHV-it was revealed that I'm an athlete good enough to play at state last year, and I think 2 people gave me an enthusiastic greeting
-I was lucky to indirectly get her interested by just happening to have a mutual friend
-I think maybe she led the way too much? Was it bad that she asked for my number and I complied to easily? Should I have not let her take my phone to "see" something?
-I know I wasn't being flirty enough. Or at all. Never at any point in the convo did I make the interaction that of between a guy and a girl; it was just a social thing. I know I could have commented on her sexy first name. Or her jacket that I liked.
-I know my body language was confident, because honestly I was feeling really calm and confident and didn't really care.
-I should have isolated her after getting phone numbers, cuz I should have jumped on that big IOI.



Honestly, this was probably the first time that I've just plain had fun in knowing that I was trying to game a girl. It was fun to talk with a girl I had absolutely NO attachment to, where I wouldn't really care about the outcome. It was a cool challenge.

EDIT:
Game over with this chick. She lives 2 hours away. # close is useless. Didn't build any ATTRACTION besides DHV. Nothing sexual/flirty.
Last night at around 12:15 when I got home I sent her a text saying it was nice meeting her and that i hoped she had a fun rest of the night. No response.

 

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Tuesday, May 11, 2010

# Close

I'll call this girl Megan K. For some reason, she's just one of those people that I always had a hard time remembering. At school this year, I've seen her in the halls a few times, and she would say hi to me but I could never figure out what her fwcking name was. Turns out I had a class with her last year that I never knew she was in. I only found out what her name was when she was voted onto Prom Court.

Also, I figured out later that I had hung out with her once before, with a girl friend and guy friend of mine on a weekday to watch the TV show Lost. She doesn't even watch the show, idk why she was there but I never talked to her the whole time. Instead, I was cussing out the TV n sh1t cuz I always do that when I watch Lost.

And I know I have high value in her eyes cuz she was there when I asked Sherman C to prom in front of the whole girls' track team by taking my shirt off.

The "Pickup"

I was taking an AP test today, and she sat two seats in front and one to the right of me. There was like 10 minutes before the test started and everyone was just being social. I was mostly talking to the guys behind me and the girls to the left of me, but at some point Megan K either started a convo with me or gave me some IOI and I opened, I can't remember. We chatted a little about the test, that was it.

Near the end of part I of the test, I fell asleep and made some really weird involuntary groan or something, and everyone kept taking the test, except Megan K looked over and laughed. At this point, I thought, "game on" and immediately prepared myself to sarge.

At the end of part I, we had like a 10 minute break, and I walked with Megan K to the bathroom. We talked about the test and laughed a bit at the noise I made. Our convo was broken by some guy coming to ask me something but she re-engaged me. She laughed at something I said that was only semi-funny.

Back to the testing room, took part II, then got up to get my phone back. Someone called me right then and there, so I answered in front of Megan K. Whoop-dee-do, she has the same phone and takes it out. Should I have just gotten the number right here since both our phones were out? Idk, but I didn't. I explained to her the joke that my phone background was and she loved it, and it led to me finding out that she plays guitar (I do for fun).

So we're leaving the test room and I'm talking to her a bit about guitar. A couple times, other people jump in to talk to me (free DHV I guess) and she sticks around so we keep talking. Then I gotta go to my locker and she has to go a different direction. I said "We should play together (guitar)" I can't remember what she said, but then I asked, "What's your number?" She gave it to me, than said "That was easy" about something, I have no idea what she was talking about. In my head I thought, "what, the # close?" LOL.

I said I'd send her a text so she has mine too, then said "Let's do it on Friday." She said she couldn't cuz she had to help out with Boys' track...I think a legitimate excuse, but still Strike #1 cuz she didn't counter-offer. I should have persisted and suggested Saturday, right? I didn't cuz I guess I felt like I'd seem too available for being open Friday AND Saturday...but it shouldn't have mattered.

So...
Attraction--only source was DHV, and maybe that I also play guitar. Didn't comment on her looks cuz, well...there wasn't a good time for it in our short convo, and honestly she didn't look great today, had her hair tied up and was wearing a shirt and jeans.

Comfort--not enough, I think. I'm starting to realize that 10 minutes is a really short time to "bond" with someone, and great rapport comes from that huge "clicking" that just seems to happen with people you really like...I know I still think of her as "some girl", maybe she thinks of me as more, but I really realize now how low comfort can contribute to flaking. We didn't really make any huge connections. I probably could have made guitar a bigger connection by acting more excited when I said "me too". Also, no STatement of Interest, making her qualify herself, push/pull...oh well.

-Basically I just talked to a girl for a few minutes and got her number. I made her laugh a few times but that was it. No real flirting, qualifying her, making the conversation that of between a guy and girl. And actually, I never even kinoed her. I'm usually really good with that, so much that lately I've cut down on it a little bit cuz I think I got too touchy-feely.

-Although I did get the #, I still kind of got it through a back-door means through pretending to be her friend who also plays guitar...so I need to re-frame it and get it away from guitar right?

-Since I didn't persist and ask for Saturday, looks like I gotta do the whole thing over again IF I happen to see her in the halls at school...it'd be way too much setting up over text, and girls at my school just don't like to talk on the phone.

 

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Monday, May 17, 2010

Nothing has happened.

Megan K

For some reason, I only gave her one strike. When I tried to make plans with her in person for last friday, she gave a pretty legitimate excuse with no counter-offer. I didn't even bother calling or texting her after that to try to make plans again, and neither did she contact me.

Maybe I shouldn't have given up so easily? For some reason, I guess I felt like I didn't have enough rapport with her to try to make plans?

Now that I think about it, it wouldn't have hurt to try to make plans with her on Saturday...in fact, I just might try to make plans with her for this Friday. I was asking myself why, but now I'm asking myself, why not?


I think this might still be part of a bigger problem at its root--being a living, sexual being. Consciously, I say and act like I'm not afraid of my sexuality, but deep down inside, I guess I'm still not comfortable with something about being sexual with girls...Just gotta keep changing my attitude from the inside out.


EDIT: Most likely, I'm not gonna post any more updates for about a week and a half. Basically, my chances in high school are shot, and I'm pretty lucky it'll all be over in two weeks. I ejected myself from my "closest" group of friends and never found a new one, and my reputation (among girls) is fwcked because of weird AFC sh1t I've done in the past. Most people know about like 5 different girls that I've liked and never gotten anywhere with.

That being said, girls will be the last thing on my mind in the next week and a half because I'll be preparing for the state competition for my sport. Once that's over with and school's out though, I'll be hitting up malls n stuff to cold approach.

 

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Sunday, June 6, 2010

Just a few observations...practicing outer game with girls i'm not interested in

Yesterday

Went downtown to my future college to take a placement test. Was seated behind a very average-looking girl, a 5. Struck up a conversation with her just for the heck of it, and pretty much the whole conversation was comfort-building. Only possible attraction would be accidental DHV when I revealed that I'm a scholarship athlete.

I was being more nice guy to her than I usually am with girls--probably because she was so average-looking, I didn't neg her at all. I definitely could have number closed her, but I just didn't see the point. She lives two hours away and will be commuting to school next year, and wasn't even good-looking enough to be a "pivot" (girl that you don't necessarily try to get with, but let yourself be seen with to increase your value).

If I were to critique my "approach" as if I were trying to get this chick, here's what I would note:
-Even though I had reason to be "nicer" since she wasn't really good-looking, I was a little too-nice and I think seeked approval from her a couple times near the end of our interaction. Not good.
-I didn't even get her fwcking name! I should have went in and got it at a high point of the conversation when she DHV'd or something. This smoothness will come with practice.
-Interest--there was none. I didn't induce her to show any, I didn't induce her to DHV so that I could make a SOI (statement of interest).

Today

The Fatty
Was hitting a few grad parties today. Alright, there's this girl who used to hang out with me and my old friends who's pretty fat. Pretty good face though, actually.

I'm releasing some very personal information here that I will never, EVER tell anybody in my life now, so please shut the fwck up. I had cybersex with her last year over AIM twice before I realized what the fwck I was doing and basically completely stopped texting her. We never did anything in person, but both hinted that we wanted to.

Anyway...
Tonight I sat next to her at a bonfire, and I was just practicing being a sexual man with her. She was showing a lot of interest, laughing at sh1t I said that wasn't even that funny, leaned in and kinoed me, and leaned in her face really close to mine when we talked. I let her in by resting my arm on top of her chair, behind her.

At first, we were just kind of having normal conversation, but the whole time I was giving her bedroom eyes and speaking as sensually as I could. I said, "I'm so far away from the fire...wanna warm me up instead?" to which she laughed.

This went on for a bit, I was still being social with everyone else though. This one girl interrupted us as we were talking, and I realized how fwcking close we were. At the end of the night, I gave her a big hug and then was saying bye to some other people when she hugged me again from behind. What I did next was actually fwcking hilarious.

Sometimes with my guy friends I'll push their head down to my crotch, pretending to force them to suck my d1ck as a joke. Without even thinking, I started doing it to this girl! LOL. Some other girl saw and was like, "OMG what is going on???"

Then we leaned in really close again, and she put her hand on my chest. I played repulsion by saying, "Don't touch me there." She laughed and moved her hand lower to my belly. Bigtime IOI.

So what now?

WEll....I really have to be honest withy myself right now. I'll admit it, this girl DOES turn me on. I'm just totally freaked out by the idea of doing stuff with a fatty. She's not a slut, but she is more aggressive than normal for a girl. I know she probably hasn't done anything with any guys.

I'm 100% sure I could get with her if I made the effort...the sad part is I really need the sexual practice. To date, I still have only kissed one girl my whole life, and that's the farthest I've gotten. It's just...I don't know if I could live with myself as a dude after hooking up with a fatty.