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sageproduct said:
Here's where I'm feeling just a little unsure of myself now. I feel much more confident talking to and interacting with girls, but of anything involving relationships I still know very little. We've kissed (once) but that doesn't mean we're necessarily going out already, so how much attention should I give her? I know I shouldn't be needy by texting her a lot but most convos we have are initiated by her. Should I show a little IL and take a step toward the bf/gf stage by initiating texts just a little?
Game her like you would any other girl. Hang out with her and just get to know her. I mean, REALLY, get to know her. Exclude her looks and really get to know who she is. Find out her favorite color is, her type of music, her hometown. Does she like to travel? Does she have more friends with guys or girls? Get down into the conversation and build into that "rapport" and build comfort and trust.
A good formula to remember for "Rapport" is
1) Ask - " What are your hobbies?"
- She answers " I've been doing ballet for 10 years"
2) Connect - You reply " Oh wow, 10 years? I mean, it's easy when you first start, but you must be dedicated to continue doing what you do for 10 years straight. . . . * keep it going. *"
3) Answer - ( If she asks)

Then after a while, you can consider her your girlfriend. Don't make the mistake I made by rushing into a relationship, because things may get awkward. If anyone sees you two together and asks if you are a couple/ dating/ official, simply reply " We're not official yet."
 

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Wednesday, 11/11/09

Didn't see Binny K (first kiss) at all today. It's a bit weird now cuz I haven't seen her since we kissed and she initiated texting convos with me Monday and yesterday. I kind of feel like I'm supposed to text her today, even though that might go against what a DJ would do? Still not sure.

Also, it's gonna be hard spending time with her because I'm gonna be out of town all weekend and she's gone the next. When we found this out via texting, I said "Well maybe you jussssst might be cool enough to hang out with me during the week."
 

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Binny K
Everything asexually, I'm doing just fine with her. I'm clueless in the other parts tho. I went over to her house today and we were alone for about half an hour but she's sick. I kissed her at the end and realized she was trying to make out with me cuz her mouth was open. Here's where I just had no idea what in hell to do. I guess I stuck my tongue in and moved it around a bit? Wtf am I supposed to do. I ended up breaking it pretty early. Only thing is she's also very inexperienced herself so I don't know what happened.

Also, it's sad but I feel very little attraction for her. It's weird cuz I'm a tiny bit obsessed with her mentally (like i think about her quite a bit) but honestly I think it's more because of my own ego of having to finally actually be with a girl instead of actually liking her. I'm getting the signs that she has a very high IL in me tho. I won't list all the signs right now cuz I'm busy.

Also, I remember there being a thread about how to makeout? Anyone know where it is?
 

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sageproduct said:
Here's where I'm feeling just a little unsure of myself now. I feel much more confident talking to and interacting with girls, but of anything involving relationships I still know very little. We've kissed (once) but that doesn't mean we're necessarily going out already, so how much attention should I give her? I know I shouldn't be needy by texting her a lot but most convos we have are initiated by her. Should I show a little IL and take a step toward the bf/gf stage by initiating texts just a little?
First off, you HAVE to stop over thinking things. Your gonna drive yourself crazy. To me it seems like you think about this girl way too much, and that is not a good sign because that often turns into a one itis.

Secondly, I wouldnt even call your "kiss" a real kiss. That was an unconfident peck on the lips; if your gonna kiss a girl, you need to fvcking MAKE OUT with her. Idk why your even considering a relationship with this girl yet, cuz you need to get to know her a lot more, and obviously you have to have a very high interest level in her if you wanna make her ur gf. DO NOT just make her your gf cuz ur desperate and want a girlfriend. And as always, it is much better to talk in person then texting. Just dont come off as needy if you text her; and by that I mean dont be the one initiating it all the time.

This thread may help a little: http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16888

Tips for making out:

-To initiate the make out, DO NOT SAY A STUPID CORNY LINE right before the kiss. Society has drilled this into many afc minds because everyone thinks a guy is supposed to say the perfect "line" before he kisses a girl (like in movies).
-Instead, look her in the eyes, give a slight smile, move in very close to her, pull her hips towards you, then, take your right or left hand, put it on her cheek/neck/hair, and slowly move your head in for the kiss. As for when your moving your head in, your eyes should not be staring at her, but instead should be looking down at her lips. Once you two connect, close them, and if you want, you can definitely open them reallyy quick just to look down at her lips again while you hookup.
-As for the actual make out, slowly open your mouth while kissing her and put a little of your tongue in there. She will definitely give tongue back, and once thats done, you can do as much as you want with your tongue. NOTE: DO NOT swirl your tongue around like a crazy maniac. Trust me, girls loveeee guys that kiss very slow and softly, so when using your tongue, move it around slowly in her mouth. You will get MUCH, MUCH better after a few more times of practice.
-While making out, dont leave your hands dead and not moving. Move them around, feel her up, get her really fvcking horny.
-Have fun, enjoy yourself, and DO NOT think about a million things in your head while you hookup. Just let it all flow.

Your goals should be this:

-Get a real makeout with her, and do it alot.
-Get as much sexual practice with her as possible, even if you dont have a high interest level, practice is always good, and everyone has to start somewhere
-Do not even consider her as a gf until you know her very well, and can truly say in your heart that you really enjoy being with her and want to be with her. If you have any doubts, YOU CANNOT MAKE HER YOUR GF!
-Get with other chicks.

Hope that helps! :)

 

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Thanks a lot man!! Really appreciate your help. She's actually initiated texting with me every day this past week and I initiated maybe once I think and it was cuz I was sending her a picture that was hilarious.

Thanks for waking me up about the bf/gf thing too, I now realize I was thinking way too much about what people would say when they find out I have a gf and blah blah blah. Definitely the WRONG reasons. I'll have to chill back and let her chase me and "win" me over, which should be easy cuz she's already doing a lot of it. I'm only a little worried because at my school it's kind of considered taboo for people to be hooking up and stuff and not going out and the guy may get labeled as a wuss for not making it official, but I guess that shouldn't affect me.
 

Don't always be the one putting yourself out for her. Don't always be the one putting all the effort and work into the relationship. Let her, and expect her, to treat you as well as you treat her, and to improve the quality of your life.

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sageproduct said:
Thanks a lot man!! Really appreciate your help. She's actually initiated texting with me every day this past week and I initiated maybe once I think and it was cuz I was sending her a picture that was hilarious.

Thanks for waking me up about the bf/gf thing too, I now realize I was thinking way too much about what people would say when they find out I have a gf and blah blah blah. Definitely the WRONG reasons. I'll have to chill back and let her chase me and "win" me over, which should be easy cuz she's already doing a lot of it. I'm only a little worried because at my school it's kind of considered taboo for people to be hooking up and stuff and not going out and the guy may get labeled as a wuss for not making it official, but I guess that shouldn't affect me.
Lol wow thats a pretty ridiculous taboo. Thats just another one of "society's rules" that has been drilled into many afc minds; people assume that if your hooking up with a girl, you have to make it official and go out with her. In the DJ world, that obviously is complete nonsense. Your in highschool; why tie yourself down to one single girl? Get as much ass as you possibly can; trust me if you get good at this thing now you will be WAYYYY ahead of many many other guys in the future.

And yea dont let outside opinions/factors ever affect your decisions. Do what YOU want.
 

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Monday, 11/16/09

Thanks eaglez. Once again I questioned a little about the "official" thing again today but realized why would I care why some dumb *****es and AFC's think about me.

Got one curveball thrown this morning, a small one having to do with "drama". This girl drives me to school every morning but is definitely just a LJBF (i wouldn't even want to do anything with her) and is pretty good friends with Binny K (first kiss). She's asked me a few things in the past that I think were pretty obviously inquiries for other girls. This morning as soon as she picks me up she goes "I got a guy who's soooo sweet to me, blah blah blah so do youu have anyone?" I immediately knew she was asking for Binny K and tried to dodge the question with humor but all I replied was "Whoa isn't that kind of a personal question?" in a ****y voice. She backed off. I didn't handle it the best way but at least I didn't give anything away.

Actually saw Binny K for the first time in school today since our first kiss. Made good convo, kinoed, walked her to class since she was on the way to mine. Was all good. I did notice that my IL in her has been rising but is still not even in the dangerous oneitis range.

She texted me after school today again, making it like 6 days in a row or something that she's initiated texting. Does this signify that she's a needy person? In real life she doesn't seem too needy cuz she's one of the cooler girls (she's an athlete).

Update
After she texted me, I ended up going over to her house to hang out. Honestly, I was a little nervous because I felt like I was supposed to do stuff with her. When I got there, she immediately took me downstairs, saying her parents were on the phone or something. We sat on the couch and I almost immediately put my arm around her. She flipped through some channels but they all had bad signal. We ended up just talking and kinoing for about half an hour. I kept thinking about whether or not I should make out with her, the main inhibitor being that her parents were upstairs. I really did not want them walking in, but not looking back I should have just done it because they never came downstairs.

After half an hour I had to leave and she had to go somewhere. I went upstairs and chatted with her parents (mostly her dad) for a bit. Her dad offered me a slice of pizza, which I accepted and ate. When I went outside to get in my car and leave, she came with me. We joked around for a little bit and after saying I had to leave I went in for a kiss. This time I kinda felt her backing away a little bit? She broke the kiss, laughed and said "Ew I can taste the pizza" lol. We said goodbye and I left.
 
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A Dilemna

Basically, a question of if I should try to do stuff with this other girl and how I should handle it. I think Binny K (first kiss) wants to be my gf (she's initiated text with me every day for the last week and a half and invites me to hang out on weekdays) but we haven't done that much really physically (first kiss was a peck, two slightly deeper kisses) and aren't going out yet. She is going to be out of town this whole weekend.

To try to keep this short, I'll have two parts here, because both are necessary. First, a description of this other girl and second, the situation.

Betty L
My sophomore year, I literally had not ever even been FRIENDS with a girl before. Until I met Betty L. She liked my friend and we started talking then hanging out and everything. We were "best friends" for quite a while and I didn't mind this a bit (I was glad to even be interacting with a girl). Hung out all summer, great times, always friends nothing more.

Junior year comes. A ****load happened with HC but basically there was a huge falling out and now everyone in my social group hates her and she is shunned. I barely even talk to her at all for a while. February comes, she breaks up with her bf (that she had since HC) and a day later asks me to TB (dance where girls ask guys). At first I was a little disgusted but I said yes. At the dance, she grinds me reeeeal good (I LOVED it and this was the sole reason why I was so obsessed with grinding in some of my older posts...lol) but then "got sick" or something and ditched me.

Blah blah blah, I got mad at her, she apologized perfusely, over the summer we saw each other a couple times maybe alone. At this point I have a sexual interest in her because of how good grinding with her felt. I was way too AFC to get anywhere though. Didn't see her for a really long time and barely talked.

Her personality-honestly, she's pretty psycho. She's like really smart but kinda slutty (not that she goes real far, but she's rather liberal sexually for our school's standards and has had 1109587158 different bf's). She's had like a thousand different bf's in high school, and almost all of them were ***** b!tches who were whipped by her and she knew it. Power *****. When we were friends she always flaked out and everything. Attention ***** too.
The important thing is though, I wanna do stuff with her. But not go out with her. This is a problem because I could be going out with Binny K pretty soon.

Situation
Haven't talked to her in forever. Couple days ago she came up to me randomly at school and said, "I was looking at pics of us together and...I miss you! We're gonna hang out, I don't care what any of your friends say we'll hang out just us". I grinned and said something like "alright, make it happen."

Texted me yesterday but stopped cuz I took an hour to respond. Tonight she fb chatted me. She was asking me about what colleges I wanna go to and stuff and I wouldn't tell her unless we saw each other. I played C & F by saying I hadn't time to sort through allllll the applications when she asked me about girls. She loved it.

Nitty gritty details

Then we basically started planning a hang out, just the two of us. She made most of the moves. She asked me when, I said Friday, she said how about 830. I said "ya better not be late" and she replied "ok how about 845 so i can look sharp" and i said something about looking even better than her.

She asked me what we were gonna do, I gave a fluff answer and was gonna follow up but she suggested a few things (hookah bar, drive around, watch a movie) and I flat out said "I don't smoke" (even though it's not that adamantly true) and invited her over for a movie.

She asked me what movie and I said we'll go to blockbuster together to pick one out. It sounded more and more like a date to me. End of convo.

My Concerns

That's the situation, so now what should I do? I wanna make a move on her just for plain sex reasons. However, this is a HUGE risk for my reputation, even if I didn't have something going with Binny K. My social life could well be over. And even concerning Binny K, I know we're not dating but there is some unspoken level of exclusitivity due to 1 the culture of our school and 2 we're already starting to do some couple-ish things.



How should I handle myself after whatever happens happens? Should I tell Betty L that this is our "secret" or something? Or pretend like I didn't mean to the whole time, then say that I'm almost going out with someone else and thought we were just hanging out as "friends" (since that's all we've been forever)? From personal experience, Betty L is very very loose-lipped and dramatic but admires me as a person. I could get away with this due to the fact that her closest friends that she would tell have a good chance of not leaking to people that affect my reputation?
 

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Woah man.....well as you probably understood I am not the **** quite yet from my own reports.

If she is very loose-lipped she probably will talk **** even if you tell her to keep it quite.

If you just want to do sexual **** to her nothing less and nothing more maybe less romance would help? Just treating her like a sex object THE BAD GUY style?

I donno man, hope it helped you in some way GOOD LUCK dude!
 

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I know exactly how you feel. On one hand, you don't want to ruin a friendship, on the other, who gives a fvck, in a few months you're never going to see her again.

The only real advice I can give is don't tell her not to tell anyone, or that you were kidding, or w.e. Don't try to play anything off and act like a man. She'll respect you for it and she'll be less inclined to gossip if anything does happen.

Whatever happens be sure to post it lol.
 

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First off, regarding the "11-16-2009 05:42 PM" post, you should have absolutely gone in for the kiss in her basement. You gotta have some more confidence, stop thinking a million thoughts at once, and just kiss the girl. Stop going through a whole process in your head like "ohh should I kiss her now? ehh idk her parents are upstairs". DONT make excuses for yourself. Theres NO excuses when it comes to a situation like that (heck theres no excuses for any situation when it comes to the decision of to kiss or not kiss a girl. Theres ALWAYS an easy opportunity for you to kiss her; you just have to realize it and take that opportunity).

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A Dilemna

Basically, a question of if I should try to do stuff with this other girl and how I should handle it. I think Binny K (first kiss) wants to be my gf (she's initiated text with me every day for the last week and a half and invites me to hang out on weekdays) but we haven't done that much really physically (first kiss was a peck, two slightly deeper kisses) and aren't going out yet. She is going to be out of town this whole weekend.Wayyy too early to make this chick your gf. You should know that by now. You two have barely kissed/done anything sexually. Just cuz a girl texts you alot doesnt mean you have to make her your gf. Shes just really into you thats all. Take advantage of it, hook up with her more, see how far you can go sexually, get to know her better, then make your decision.

Betty L

Blah blah blah, I got mad at herYou got mad? Lol just let it go dude who gives a sh*t if she ditched you. Grind other girls., she apologized perfusely, over the summer we saw each other a couple times maybe alone. At this point I have a sexual interest in her because of how good grinding with her felt. I was way too AFC to get anywhere though. Didn't see her for a really long time and barely talked.Was he ex bf at the dance? She couldve just grinded you and all just to get him jealous.

Her personality-honestly, she's pretty psycho. She's like really smart but kinda slutty (not that she goes real far, but she's rather liberal sexually for our school's standards and has had 1109587158 different bf's). She's had like a thousand different bf's in high school, and almost all of them were ***** b!tches who were whipped by her and she knew it. Power *****. When we were friends she always flaked out and everything. Attention ***** too.
The important thing is though, I wanna do stuff with her. But not go out with her. This is a problem because I could be going out with Binny K pretty soon.

Situation
Haven't talked to her in forever. Couple days ago she came up to me randomly at school and said, "I was looking at pics of us together and...I miss you! We're gonna hang out, I don't care what any of your friends say we'll hang out just us". I grinned and said something like "alright, make it happen."

Texted me yesterday but stopped cuz I took an hour to respond. Tonight she fb chatted me. She was asking me about what colleges I wanna go to and stuff and I wouldn't tell her unless we saw each other. I played C & F by saying I hadn't time to sort through allllll the applications when she asked me about girls. She loved it.

Nitty gritty details

Then we basically started planning a hang out, just the two of us. She made most of the moves. She asked me when, I said Friday, she said how about 830. I said "ya better not be late" and she replied "ok how about 845 so i can look sharp" and i said something about looking even better than her.

She asked me what we were gonna do, I gave a fluff answer and was gonna follow up but she suggested a few things (hookah bar, drive around, watch a movie) and I flat out said "I don't smoke" (even though it's not that adamantly true) and invited her over for a movie.

She asked me what movie and I said we'll go to blockbuster together to pick one out. It sounded more and more like a date to me. End of convo.

My Concerns

That's the situation, so now what should I do? I wanna make a move on her just for plain sex reasons. However, this is a HUGE risk for my reputation, even if I didn't have something going with Binny K. My social life could well be over. And even concerning Binny K, I know we're not dating but there is some unspoken level of exclusitivity due to 1 the culture of our school and 2 we're already starting to do some couple-ish things.



How should I handle myself after whatever happens happens? Should I tell Betty L that this is our "secret" or something? Or pretend like I didn't mean to the whole time, then say that I'm almost going out with someone else and thought we were just hanging out as "friends"lol no dont say that (since that's all we've been forever)? From personal experience, Betty L is very very loose-lipped and dramatic but admires me as a person. I could get away with this due to the fact that her closest friends that she would tell have a good chance of not leaking to people that affect my reputation?Once she tells her friends, its pretty much guaranteed that Binny will find out. Trust me. This is juicy stuff for girls, theyre gonna spread it around.
Hmm ok I see. You have to weigh out your options and the pros/cons of each girl.

Betty:
Pros: You get to have some guaranteed ass from this chick; and if not when you hang out with her, you could possibly get a BJ or more.
Cons: Shes pretty slvtty, but that is irrelavant cuz your not plannin on goin out with her. Its only important if you make it important. If your the kind of guy that cares about his reputation,(which I really hope your not; you shouldnt care about what others think, let alone what your reputation is the LAST year of HS, when you wont see anyone ever again a year later) then obviously this isnt going to help if word gets out that your hookin up with this slvt.


Binny:
Pros: Possible girlfriend material, but like I said, its still WAY too early to make this chick your gf.
Cons: She could possibly be needy, and it may be tough to advance sexually with this girl. Again though, thats also tough to tell cuz you havent even really tried to advance with her that much yet.

The decision is yours, you can either:

A-Hang out with Betty and risk having Binny find out, which if you say she has loose lips, then Binny probably will find out. This is tough cuz were not sure what Binny's reaction will be. She'll either get really pissed and your chances with her will be over, or, she'll be cool about it and not really care cuz the two of you arent technically going out. I would definitely try to at least make an effort to put across to Betty that she has to keep quiet...I mean its better than not saying anything at all (in which that case she would definitely run her mouth). Might as well give it a shot and see how long Betty can keep her mouth shut for.

B-Deny Betty, and stick with Binny.

Its a tough decision, no doubt about that, but ask yourself this: Your a senior in highschool. What do you TRULY want? Do you want to be tied down to one girl in a possible relationship with Binny? (And we're not even sure how far Betty would go sexually/how long it would take to get laid from her)

OR

Do you want to stick with Betty, get as much sexual practice as possible, and simply continue to try to get with as many other girls as possible (including still trying to get with Betty. Why pick one when you can spin plates and get both)?

What I would do: I personally would take advantage of the easy ass from Betty. I mean, unless shes like an ugly freakin slvt, then I wouldnt do anything with her, but if shes pretty decent looking, I would definitely go with her.

Your a senior in highschool man; you should be trying to get as much ass as possible and as much practice as possible before you get to college. I would try to get as far sexually as possible with Betty, while telling her to keep things quiet about the two of you, and you will do the same. If she asks why, just say something like "ohh cuz its my policy of not kissing and telling" or sum sh*t like that. Dont let her know you have Binny on the side. And regarding that, obviously you should still try to get with Binny and hookup with her while your getting ass from Betty. Its called spinning plates my friend. :)

If Binny somehow does find out, just tell her that the two of you arent even officially going out, and that your still a free man and can do what you want. And honestly dude realize this:

Binny's reaction when she finds out about you and Betty will tell alot about what kind of girl she is. If Binny still freaks out at you explain that the two of you arent even freakin going out, then that makes Binny come across as a needy and bossy girl, one who wants control over her guy (a guy that shes not even official with yet!). If she was truly a "loose", not so needy, chill girl, she would understand that the two of you are not dating, and that the both of you still have freedom to do what you want, thus making it okay if one or both of you is hooking up with different people.

Not only that, but its still way too early to consider making Binny your gf. Like I said, you have to give it more time, try to advance sexually with her more, and get to know her better. In that period of time, you have a great opportunity to get a lot of practice and ass from Betty.
 

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Hey man, MUCH appreciation for your analysis. I condensed some of the info that I provided and some of the assumptions you made were literally RIGHT on the money. Thinking more, I agree that it's pretty much guaranteed Binny K will find out AND it's a great display of what type of girl she is.

Some more thoughts, as well as more of my intentions with each girl.
Betty L
Well, yeah she could be some easy ass. On second thought, getting with her might not have as big of a hit on my reputation as I once thought, especially since it was pretty well known that I was gay best friends with her soph year. I was seeing it in the scope of my own friends circle, which lately has been extremely ****ty and I couldn't care less for.

With that being said, I am almost 100% sure she is not gf material. When I met her she kept telling her how much she was in love with two of my friends at the time (and she had a bf). Psycho control and attention wh0re. Also, friendship with her isn't something I value lol so I don't give a sh!t if I f*ck up with her.

Also, I'm pretty sure anything that happens with her won't last long, I'll have to take what I can. If we do stuff I'm pretty sure one of the following's gonna happen:
1 She freaks out because she did stuff with a "friend" and it'll make her feel slutty (haha ironic)
2 Push a relationship with me, and conclude I'm using her for her body (which pretty much is my goal...) when I'm not interested in that.

Oh, and I heard she's given head to at least one of her past bfs. Thumbs up!

Binny K
Honsetly, I don't really think I have feelings for her. It's kinda sad but true; for the past weeks, in my mind the main reason I even want to go out with her is for social reasons. From talking to some girls, I've realized that they ARE aware that I've never had a gf and it makes me feel like a btch.

I'll have to admit the following are the main reasons I want to date Binny K:
-end my social label of never having had a gf
-i went to prom with her friend, oneitis, she goes to an 8 week camp over the summer, comes back and announces she got engaged to a 24 year old or some sh!t. I was shocked to the max and can't get over a satisfying feeling of revenge if I were to date Binny K.
-she plays soccer and knows a ton of popular, good-looking soccer girls. social proof.
-basically a stepping stone to hotter, more interesting girls...
After listing them down, this is a really sh!tty list of reasons to date someone.

Also, I tend to have ****ty foresight and this could possibly be a short relationship that is hurtful for either of us (most likely her), and idk how you picked up on it being hard to advance with her but I totally agree, I just get that vibe from her.

Conclusion

Looks-I'd say these two girls are in the same range, I'd say 7's. Betty L is much sexier though, if you know what I mean and is DEFINITELY more experienced. (From what I hear it sounds like Binny K is just as inexperienced as I am)

So like you said, way too early to consider relationship with her. I shall do what I can with Betty L tomorrow night. Gotta make sure my family's gone haha, could probably get my parents to leave pretty easily but hopefully my sister won't be ****ing sitting at home (she knows Binny K pretty well and it'd be kinda obvious if I just told her to not be home)
 

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K sounds good...and yea those are really really weak reasons to consider someone for a girlfriend lol. Those types of relationships never last lol.

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Also, I'm pretty sure anything that happens with her won't last long,if thats how you go about thinking about it, then it really wont last long. Go into this thing with a better attitude; your goal should be to become fvck buddies with this girl. I'll have to take what I can. If we do stuff I'm pretty sure one of the following's gonna happen:
1 She freaks out because she did stuff with a "friend" and it'll make her feel slutty (haha ironic)? Lol this isnt gonna happen dude. From what you described, it seems like this chick is really coming onto you, and definitely wants to hook up and be more than friends. Also consider this: If a girl EVER agrees to watch a movie with you, meaning just you and her, she wants to hookup. That is such an obvious sign that a chick wants to hookup with you cuz why the hell else would the two of you actually just sit there on a couch and watch the movie? You may watch it a little, but most of the time your gonna be hooking up. Movie dates with girls are literally TOO easy cuz its like a guaranteed hookup.
2 Push a relationship with me, and conclude I'm using her for her body (which pretty much is my goal...) when I'm not interested in that.You guys havent even hung out together alone yet. Shes not gonna start pushin for a relationship that early lol. Just keep on hanging out with her, and if she does bring it up for some reason, just give some bs answer like "ohh idk I want to hang out with you some more and get to know you better". Keep saying that cuz it'll still (in her eyes) leave the relationship thing a possibility(which in reality your just bullsh*ttin and its not gonna happen lol) while at the same time still givin you a chance to hang out with her and get ass

Good luck, have fun, and know in your head that this chick WANTS to make out with you and do sexual things. And remember, this chick is a slvt, which means you should DEFINITELY try to advance on her tonight when you two are hookin up (meanin tryin to finger her and all that).

Let us know what happens
 

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Sooo very anticlimatic here...basically she flaked. Idk if I mentioned this before, but even when we were friends she was a HUGE flake. Remembering this, I decided to text her at like 4.
Me:I'm pickin you up at 845
Her:At work ill ask my mom if its cool on my break
(i was immediately suspicious, she always used to use excuses like these)
me:Whenll you know? other people asked me to hang out so I gotta know soon.
her:hang out with other people because ill probably be no fun since i got home at 3 in the morning and im so tired
me:no fun?! i'm afraid i'm too busy for people who are no fun...
her:we will plan another day
me:whelp these days i don't have too many openings...let me know in advance.

I ended up hangin out with some really good friends and their group from another school. There were some girls there and I realized then that I'm a LOT less comfortable talking to girls I don't know or have some type of connection with. This is important because lately I've considered myself much better at kinoing but last night I realized I still feel a little awkward doing it with girls I don't know.
 

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Some Important things and questions

Monday, November 23, 2009

Background

Binny K (first kiss) was gone all weekend. I hung out a little bit, nothing really to note. Since Betty L (weird slut) flaked on me, I'm waiting for her to contact me. I've got the whole week off of school.

Binny K's been texting me constantly and I feel like I'm ending convos sooner because I just don't feel like texting that much. Well around 9 today I end up going to pick her up to "go to a park" even though it's freezing outside.

The psuedo-date
I drive to this park, and when I park my car she actually gets out to go to the park, so I'm like what the hell. It's pretty damn cold outside, but she never said anything about it. I did initiate some kino on her back.

We end up going on swings next to each other for most of the time, about half an hour or 45 min. Somehow I got warmer during this time. Basically we just talked, talked, and talked. I kept up C&F on her, kept it light.

I noticed that whenever I had no idea what the hell to say or what I was talking about that talking slowly and confidently saved me and the atmosphere every time.

Few things

This one girl who's my friend that drives me to school is a gossip-*****. She dates guys who don't go to our school but has to know EVERYTHING about what's going on here. Literally every SINGLE time I'm with her and another girl, very quickly she'll ask the other girl "soooo, any guys?"

This girl's pretty good friends with Binny K. At the football game friday, this girl literally kept chasing me down to "ask me about my love life". She was the same one who texted me the first night when I failed to kiss binny K. Every time I've refused to tell her by making up some BS excuse, and when I know she's going to ask me I just leave.

Now Binny K tonight told me that this other girl (we'll say Millie M) was mad at her because Binny K did not tell Millie M about something...that had to do with me. The reason for not telling Millie M was because supposedly she dislikes me or something...even though I've been friends with her for a while and we spend all of a class talking usually. We did kinda have a fight during HC but I thought it was all over because we've just been joking around a LOT in class and laughing about everything...It really pissed me off to hear that because the **** that she was mad at me about was just ****ing dumb and ridiculous because she kept misinterpreting my actions but I acted like I didn't care.

End of the night
After 45 min in the park, I decide that we're going home so I tell Binny K that I'm driving her home. When we get to her house, I'm ready to finally kiss her and she doesn't leave the car immediately. She turns my way and we chat a little bit, and when I felt comfortable I reached out my right hand, put it behind her head and moved in for the kiss. It was easy.

The actual kissing though, wasn't that good in my opinion. I did enter her mouth with my tongue but didn't feel anything except her teeth, so I didn't know what to do....and it felt like she was getting a LOT of saliva on my lips and stuff. Also, I think that she had her mouth really wide open, so that's why she got so much saliva on my lips...is that supposed to happen? Once again, I broke the kiss early.

As I was pulling away, her eyes were closed as if she were enjoying every moment, and she opened them slowly. I just kind of noticed this because I didn't feel anything as we were kissing, not even my heart beating or anything, just like I was doing some normal daily activity.

I also wanted to say the whole vibe of our relationship seems kind of friendly to me, and not sexual...she doesn't really have a sexual aura to me. I have a hard time kissing her in normal situations because I don't even want to that much. At this point, I just need all the experience I can get though...and I like her enough as a person.

One other funny thing
Almost everything I say to her is C&F, like over 75 or 80%...lately it's kind of funny because I noticed that she's been copying my C&F and doing it too. Like today she said something ****y about her boobs being big...I feel like I should have made that sexual but I just didn't seem to be able to do it smoothly and just ignored it. There just doesn't seem to be any sexual tension to me.

Meaningful of the future? (sexual limits)
I've been refraining from jerking it, saturday was my last time. I happened to be pretty horny when out of nowhere I got this text from Binny K, quoting some funny line some guy said before kissing a girl. This is how I responded:
Me: geez you don't have to drop hints like this if you wanted me to kiss you (very different from how we usually talk)
her: haha ya that was def my plan
me: (couldn't tell if she was sarcastic) not very sneaky here now
her: haha shut up
me: you want me to shut up or do somethin else
her: (after half an hour) oh your so clever
me: AND sneaky, which you are not
her: i was simply quoting something from the fresh prince of bel-air?
obviously she's not very sexual, does this mean I wouldn't get far with her? guess there's no use asking here, just might as well see for myself...

Looking Forward
Well, I guess I need to do some SERIOUS escalation with her AND find other girls...even though I would get on the social ****list if word got around that I did something with another girl. My school is incredibly relationship-dominated. Best thing would be to find girls from other schools...
 

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Wednesday, 11/25/09

No School

Did jack **** today. Except I realized that my dad's out of town this weekend, so I'm having a party friday (i'm certain my mom will stay upstairs, locked in her own room).

Hung out with some people in my ****ty social group (the one that i don't really want to be a part of) even though I originally wasn't going to. I just don't really have fun with them anymore. They talk about the gayest **** and act like little kids. We ended up watching toy story 2 and I got so into the movie that I just completely stopped being social. Probably seemed strange to them but w/e.

During this time Binny K was texting me. I invited her over to my house (even though I wasn't even home at the time, I was gonna go home if she decided to come), she asked me why, what was my family doing. Eventually it got to me telling her no one else was home....here's how it played out
her:so no ones home...naturally youd invite a girl over. Haha.
me: *girls (usually)
her:eek:h man. you sure know how to persuade me to come...haha
me:just my everyday normal life...
her:haha you wish
me:hah i'll leave the imagination to you

More signs that I will have difficulty escalating with her? As much as I wanted to have my first relationship before, I'm really realizing now that I shouldn't consider it yet. It could get messy.

More about the party plans for friday...

Like I said before, dad gone, mom home but upstairs.

Invite for Sure:
Carl J: only friend left in that ****ty group that i actually like
Petunia S:past one-itis, LJBF and nexted, but she's hot. yes, hot. so might as well invite her.
girl from another school that i met over the summer (bf)
other girl from another other school that i met over the summer
Muncie M (HOT girl with cool bf)
Beam J:eek:ne of the few of my friends who has some trace of game
last year's prom date/past oneitis/ljbf/nexted/might as well invite
Louis L:pretty good friend. the guy who *ucking knows and talks to everyone. is a **** to me sometimes and really kind of arrogant but it's useful to know him
some other *****es
invite not so sure:
prude members of my social group. only invite if a severe number from the above list can't make it.

alc, no weed. liquor. maybe bp.gotta spend all day tomorrow cleaning out my ****hole of a basement.
 

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I think your overanalyzing your conversations with Binny K. If your gonna talk about inviting her over your house, then freakin do it! You HAVE to get a LEGIT make out with this girl. All youve gotten so far was just a quick peck kiss, which is next to nothing. Trust me, you've gotta start to escalate with her soon otherwise your just gonna be thrown into the friend zone or she'll lose interest.

And regarding the party on friday, you have to consider the consequences if your mom finds out you had one. Reason why im saying that is cuz if you invite any more than like 15 people, theres a chance that the party could get really out of hand because those 15 might talk to other people and next thing you know youve got 40 ppl in your basement. Just keep it low key.

And honestly, why the heck would you invite girls that have boyfriends or ljbf'd you? Invite binny, tell her to bring some chicks, or tell some other hot girl to bring some chicks that are single. Just be like "yea bring some of your friends...ones that dont have boyfriends" and smile when you say it.
 

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Hmm after rereading my posts, yeah I see now I'm asking a lot of questions about things of (relative) insignificance. It's pretty simple I guess right now, escalate and see what happens.

The Party
Wow, I didn't even think before about what you said...I've been to very few parties and in my social group me throwing a party is kind of unexpected and...well just nothing like this usually happens. But getting in trouble with my mom won't be thaaaat big of a deal I think (I am actually considering the risk now, where before I was just pushing the risk of getting caught out of my head) because I know all that's gonna happen is they're gonna get pissed at me for a couple weeks and they will be on the lookout for me having parties, which probably won't really happen in the future anyway cuz this is like 1 out of 3 weekends in my LIFE that A parent has been gone while I'm at home.

For the invitations thing tho, I'm getting right on that tomorrow. When I talk to girls about the party, I'll try to get them to bring friends. Single ones.
 

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Friday, November 27, 2009

The Actual Party

Huge bust compared to what I had hoped for. Overall wasn't that bad of a night but mainly tons of people just didn't show up. I had my good friend Carl J helpin me set stuff up. Had some music goin, a ****ty table with a deck of cards, and either a table for bp...basically we just waited...and waited...for people to come.

Binny K and her friend Kristina K came way before anyone else. Carl J sat in the kitchen talking to them while I was still busy running around setting everything up. Then I convinced everyone to go downstairs and stay there. Itried to get everyone to play bp, but the girls were boring and said the typical girl refusing some game thing by saying "Oh, I suck at it".

We just sat talking for a bit, and it quickly got boring and would have been awkward if I weren't still running around taking care of a bunch of ****. It was then that I realized not much would be happening since very few people were gonna be drinking. Carl J's in a ****load of trouble with his parents, Binny K drove, and her friend just didn't realy want to I guess. So I didn't that whole time.

A few come

Patricia M
A girl I talk to at school and hang out w/occasionally who had a year long relationship with my friend Louis L. Seems like the really nice and innocent type. Out of everyone, she seemed the most excited to come to my 'party'. When she got to my house though, I could tell she wasn't having much fun. We were all just kinda sitting around, staring at each other and talking a bit. Patricia M was standing there and on her phone. Nobody, not even me, had even touched the liquor.

Muncie M (hot girl w/bf)
Showed up with her bf, who's a real nice guy, in fact a little too nice to be with a girl like her...but anyway, they were there for a bit. this was still before I drank at all, and it was just awkward. Nothin going on. I tried to start some bp to get everyone focused together, but it didn't work. I ended up playing with Carl J, and binny K and her friend just ended up talking. Eventually Muncie M and her bf decided they were going to a movie.

Patricia M left not too long after, she had some medical condition she had to take care of she said.

Man B
This is a girl, but I literally consider her a man...but as much as I hate to say it she's real flirty and always has to know about bf/gf stuff. She was the one who texted me the first night I failed to kiss Binny K. Well we were playing cards and I lost a round and she goes "Ok well now you have to kiss Binny K on the cheek...well she would have to kiss you too so idk how that'd work out" and I knew exactly what she was trying to do...Not wanting to make the situation weird at all, I just went in and naturally pecked Binny K on the lips in front of everyone. I could tell my guy friends were kind of like wtf cuz I haven't told them ANYTHING about her.

Well Man B brought her friend who's PSYCHOTIC in her decisions but cool to hang out with and not bad looking. A couple other guys came and that was it. We ended up playing spoons like the whole time with kind of a loser strips theme, but that pretty much stopped once shoes, socks and belts came off...

Later on
At this point I had been drinking. I was completely under control but just feeling incredibly happy but kind of pissed that I had to hold it in cuz only two other guys were drinking, and only one of those two had any considerable amount.

More unimportant stuff happened...my mom got pissed and wanted me to tell everyone to leave, so I "faked" their exits and made them stay quiet...then later it actually was time to leave. When I walked Binny K outside, she was convinced I was drunk when I really was under control. I was gonna kiss her but before I did she was already walking away and said "ew your breath smells" (of whiskey).

More random ****, nothing really worth noting...

Overall, kind of ****ty night actually. And as for a party, huge failure even though I never admitted that to anyone. My main goals were just to make a really memorable time (i just 'assumed' that eveyrone would drink...when they didn't.) and to boost my social standing for having a great party. Well.......ya it didn't turn out so hot. I just wanted everyone to have a great time, but literally everyone couldn't drink...which led me to not really drinking as much as I wanted to. It's a few hours later right now and I am basically fully functionally sober.
 
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