"Romantic Rivalry" ??

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Z Man said:
Thank you iqqi for posting. This has been an interesting read on the perspective of the mind of a female in the dating "game". :)

I can't comment on the suggestions of using overt signals as I've never had a girl do this to me. ( I posted recently about a girl who "asked me out" on a date and my ego was raised, then she back-pedaled 2 days later with the whole "friends" line and my ego was bruised, thus negating the whole experience, so it doesn't count. )
You are welcome.

Please feel free to contribute to the female friend issue. If you have any suggestion or input.

I feel like I do know what to do in this situation, but I am kind of distraught over having to call her out on this, and kind of need to bounce this off of other people.
 

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iqqi said:
Thanks, I actually appreciate when someone points out my grammatical errors. Is grammatical a grammatically correct word choice? :confused:

:)
I wasn't going to say anything, but it drives me insane :box: when I see or hear "conversated". I really hate bad English, and when I say bad English, I'm not referring to the 80s glam-metal band.
 

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Oh, and I think the e-mail is fine. You're not coming off as sounding petty or p!ssed off. But if it were me I would just talk to her about it in person.
 

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My experience with sending e-mails to women is that they often don't catch if I was using sarcasm or trying to be funny.

I also don't prefer the phone as I can't "see" the person's body language( plus I am hard of hearing ).

I agree, I would talk with her in person if possible.
 

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Sometimes when I am talking about something that is really bothering me, I get flustered, and it doesn't come out right. And they might misinterpret something I've said, and turn that into something I supposedly said, and its not like there was a tape recorder, so.

The email gives her time to read it, get mad, then reread it, and see its not so bad. Plus I said it all best I could, without getting flustered, or adding to it, or forgetting an important point.

Also we use email to communicate often, as often as phone calls.
 

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Hey, Iqqi, you did what you did and didn't get what you wanted. Blame it on having to talk to other people (god forbidd!), friends (the b!tch!) ,atmosferic pressure, Saturn's alingment or the rising price of oil.
OR, start to think maybe you did something (or not did) wrong.
 

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Ahh, the massive ball of drama that is woman!

Fellas, take note of the title of this thread.

"Romantic Rivalry"

What imagery does this conjure up?

Personally I see a big cat fight over some suave dude .. maybe some hair is getting pulled and earrings are getting yanked out. In an ideal situation, some mud or Jello is involved, but I digress...

Point is that women do not just love drama.. they NEED it. If you have a vagina, then drama is like oxygen.. without it you would shrivel up and DIE.

Look at this example here. Our Lady DJ assumes that there is rivalry, and feels the need to confront her friend on loyalty issues. Her mind is programmed to see reality through a Drama Filter. Let's pull this thing off and see what really happened

Reality

Iqqi rolls up with HBWing and meets Crush. Already the tension is high because Iqqi has been eyeing this piece of meat for 6 years. Anything that takes place in this situation is going to become a chapter in her novel. And like any good story, we need heroes and villains.

Iqqi flirts with Crush. Crush flirts back. HBWing is flirty by nature and the interaction with Crush is no different. He has two options that night and clearly chooses Iqqi, but due to social awkwardness of the closing situation (and Iqqi's trying to DJ him so hard)... he has to number-close her friend. (It would be too obvious to ask for Iqqi's number.. she been playing a little hard to get and he doesnt want to get left behind) So he closes the friend, inquiring about the both of them and runs off to the afterparty (Hehe..sounds like something I would do)

Our heroine faces a fairly common situation here. If any of you have macked for any serious amount of time, you are familiar with a simple case of bad logistics. Sh!t happens all the time. C0ckblocks, environmental distractions, or simply not being in the right place on the right time (by a span of MINUTES) have all been factors in lost targets. What's a bro to do? You just chalk it up to experience and keep it moving.

It's a bit trickier for women though.

Drama

Iqqi sees what could potentially be the love of her life at a bar. They hit it off and she is playing her game to the letter. Everything is going swimmingly, the stars are in alignment tonight and love is in the air! But her hopes are dashed by chance and scandal!

(Cue sinister violin track)

An unwitting c0ckblock and the questionable activities of someone she thought was supposed to be her friend have snatched her chance at happiness. How could HBWing do this to her, after all Iqqi has helped her with?

(Cue sad violin track)

HBWing was nothing before Iqqi showed up... lost in a world of drugs and sex, she probably would have ended up dead if Iqqi had not shown her the light. How could such horrible betrayal happen to someone as altruistic and benevolent as Iqqi? HOW??????

(Cue hopeful violin track and show Mother-Teresa-like montage of Iqqi rescuing cats from trees and helping old ladies cross streets)

And so on, etc etc etc...

Advice

Iqqi, you shouldn't have tried to mack him. I noticed a lot of over-analyzation here with the DJ crap. Just relax, vibe and see how the game unfolds. You still got played by bad circumstances..not too much you can do there. But the part I have the biggest trouble understanding is why you guys didnt go to the after party... It's not like you are an early-riser or anything :p

In regards to your friend, expect more incidents like this to happen and recognize that she still has a long ways to go. These things are not intentional on her part, she is just a bit wild because no one ever showed her boundaries or how to be a lady with class.

If you really care about her, then prepare yourself to play the Mom role often because she needs a real authority figure in her life. No accusations or reprimands..all you gotta do is show her where the line is and why she shouldnt be crossing it.

(Note to self: come up with a female version of "Bros before Hoes" that rhymes without sucking.)
 

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Holy chirst, this thread exploded while I was sleeping!

Originally Posted by aliasguy
You did what you did, Iqqi, and it didn't work.

Do something else next time.


Originally posted by iqqi
Actually, it was working GREAT.
If your game worked so great, then you must have a date set with Mr. Crush, and you've gone out and bought a fresh box of rubbers just in case.

But if you DON'T have a date with Mr. Crush, then your 'game' didn't work.

Also, leave your friend alone. It's your jealousy that's causing you to think that she's trying to destroy your friendship, or that she intentionally did this to piss you off. She didn't do a goddam thing. You need to get over the fact that Mr. Crush number closed her, and not you.

GET OVER IT, WOMAN.

This whole thing is your issue. It's all your jealousy, and you're the one who's turning it into a huge fvcking dramatic episode. You need to deal with this WITHOUT dragging all your friends, your neighbours, Mr. Crush, and every goddam member of this message forum into it.
 

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joekerr31 said:
if this were some guy on here telling us how he and a buddy went to a bar and he was super in to some chic playing darts and at the end of the night the chic gave his buddy her number what do you think we'd be saying to him?
Brother Joekerr, what the hell do you THINK this really is?

I call shenanigans with iqqi and his bullsh!t.
 

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go find a girly forum, why the hell are u asking this on a forum for guys that seduce and fcuk women????
 

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iqqi said:
I didn't leave to fcuk with him, lol. I left to find GF, and get a drink. My life didn't revolve around Crush. And running into the old friend, was actually a plus, I was really happy to see him! I just wasn't happy to have him come up and c0ckblock.
Again this is where being a women and indirect is failing you. A DJ would have told the old acquaintance, its great to see you again, give me your number and we'll catch up later, cuz there is this couger over there that I'm in the middle of slaying. Instead of allowing her / him to come and ****block.
 

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iqqi said:
She has a very checkered past, with a sexual assault and drugs, and volatile abusive relationships, so I think it would be safe to assume she seeks validation through being overtly sexual and easy.
CAPTAIN SAVE A HO
 

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iqqi said:
The Situation

The other night me and my girl were at a corporate event, where, lo and behold, a guy who I have had a little long term (6 years!) crush on showed up out of nowhere. Nothing serious, just a guy who has it going on for himself. I pointed him out to my girl, and told her about him. She thought he was very good looking, even though we tend to have a different taste in men. She was pretty impressed with his style.

Him and some friends were shooting darts, so me and my friend went over there because she is pretty good, and wanted to play, and it gave me a great chance to see what I could see:) . As soon as we got over there, she was accepted into the game, and I just drank and conversated with people around us. The guy knew me from before, and just like magic (gushing here), he came over and began what amounted to a night of witty flirting with me directly.

I was very happy, as it was going exactly how I wanted it. He intiated all conversation, every now and then I'd engage someone else in conversaton just to not be too obvious. He'd step back over and start another back and forth. It was very flirty, and he was obviously very interested in me. He even knew some things about me that surprised me.

At one point my girl went to stand next to him, kind of close. She was pretty "buzzed" at this point. After a few seconds, he just drifted away from her and came to where I was.

After about 20 minutes, my friend went to get a drink. The guys finished up the game, and when my crush went to talk to his partner, I went to find my friend. She was at the bar, where I ran into an old guy friend who moved away a year ago(platonic with potential). He was overly excited to see me, and we got into a 15 minute conversation. This I thought was perfect, as it gave my crush time to miss me and wonder where I was, and of course could create the perfect stirring of competion to heat the situation up.

I left Old Acquaintance to go back to the Crush. As I got closer I noticed my girl was already over there, even though it was just Crush and his partner (who I knew she wasn't interested in) playing darts still. She had been over there for about 10 minutes, and I was kind of disturbed by that.

Crush seemed happy to see me. I came back, we started talking again, and after about 2 minutes Old Acquaintance found me (he was wasted), and came over and pretty much took over my attention, kind of obnoxiously. I was trying to think of how to get rid of him without being rude, as I do like him, but he was c0ckblocking too hard, and Crush was my #1 priority.

It was the end of the night, so within 3 minutes of that, Crush and his friend started to wind up their stuff to go. As Crush was leaving, I interrupted Old Acquaintance to tell Crush goodbye, with a flirty one liner for good measure. He smiled, and seemed to appreciate it, and I could tell that he took that as I was more interested in him, which I wanted.

When me and my girl left I expressed that I was kind of p!ssed at Old Acquaintance for messing up my game, and she said "well I know where Crush will be at." I looked at her, and she looked kind of uncomfortable. She told me that he would be at a popular after hours spot down the street, and that when I was talking to Old Acquaintance, that he asked what her and I were doing afterwards, then asked for her #.

She said that she felt uncomfortable, and hesitated, to which he made a joke, but she gave him the #.

This really upset me, and she seemed to be really uncomfortable once she realized what just happened. It upset me specifically more and more, when I thought about how it seemed like she had been making herself available to him, with the standing close, and the hanging around when I wasn't there. I didn't spell this out to her, the rest of our conversation was basically "damage control", and confusing. She admitted that she had never really had a girl friend before, so she doesn't seem to get the whole honor code thing.

Part of me thinks that when Old Acquaintance came over, Crush seen a great opportunity to save face by getting my friend's # as she had basically been making herself easy to him. (Whereas, yes, I was playing a little hard to get).

Another part of me hopes that he got her # just to get in touch with me.

This isn't the first time she has "captured the attention" of a guy that I was trying to get to know. Not that any of them really chose her over me, but they noticed her attention, and of course liked it. This situation just really brought all of it to my attention, and is really really upsetting me, to think she may be someone I shouldn't trust.

This just really p!ssed me off, because of how long I had been interested in this guy, and how perfect the set up had been this time around.

What do you all think? Do you think maybe she is a little competitive with me? I need perspective. I don't know if I explained it as well as I could, I will clear whatever I may have left out as you respond.
I can give you my perspective...but I don't know how old is Crush (I am assuming he has to be between 28-35). I don't know how old is she (I am assuming you both are between 25-29).

Can you at least describe yourself and her? I'm trying to figure out the "looks" thing. I am assuming both of you are good looking.


Knowing those things, I can come up with some ideas. As of now, I feel he likes her.
 

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iqqi said:
Thanks Des, but most real life DJ's will inform you that women do indeed run game, it is just more natural for us.

And the biggest joke of this board to me, is men thinking they run off of logic. Not trying to start anything here, lol, its the truth! Men are much more easily manipulated with emotional ploys than women.

Besides, one thing that "women with game" get, is that men want to pursue. My job is to engage, and encourage, while maintaining the mystery and the intrigue.
That stuff ONLY works with men WITHOUT options. That dude obviously had options. That's why you did not succeed with your game. In fact, it back fired on you.

I would have acted (and have acted) exactly like that dude.
 

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iqqi said:
Thanks Cordie, like the different perspective. I agree with you about the losing a good friend thing. She definately did some things to overstep my boundaries, and I would have to say that HE was the one who probably enjoyed the attention, because he wasn't giving any to her, she was giving it to him, he was giving it to me.

She has a very checkered past, with a sexual assault and drugs, and volatile abusive relationships, so I think it would be safe to assume she seeks validation through being overtly sexual and easy. She has told me she can't say no. I think once he actually asked for her #, she had to consider what she did to lead up to that.

In the car with her it was tense, she was pretty upset, and she sent me an email this morning (nothing substantial, just hey, what are you doing today to I bet gauge my feelings towards her). She told me she has never had female friends, and I know she really likes me and values my friendship. She has confided some things to me she says she hasn't ever felt like she could share with anyone else.

I think my plan of action is to address the situation that bothers me the most, which is her coming on to him. This is going to be very touchy, as she may not see it as that. The main thing I am going to bring up, is why did she go over to him and his friend without me, and hang around him for ten minutes, before I came back. She didn't know anyone over there, and that right there is the thing that really p!sses me off. We knew other people at the party, that she would have been more in line with socializing with, but instead she went over to My Crush, while I wasn't around.

If that went over decently, I was going to suggest to her that if he calls, to invite him out with US, this weekend, and take it from there. Then I could more accurately assess who it is he is interested in, and she could have an opportunity to NOT be a cunning poacher.

Besides all that, no, I will not hunt his # down to invite him out to dinner (my treat)!

That is too desperate and unneccesarily forward considering he may have just tried to fvck my easy friend, when me and him were hitting it off so well. I will wait to see if he calls her, and see what happens.

She said "God, I should have just given him YOUR number". Lol. That would have been perfect! At least she thought of a good alternative, instead of just feeling sorry for herself being a poacher.
Hmmmmm...I see who is the REAL c_ockblocker here. No other than Iqqi.

Listen...if the guy wanted to communicate with you...he would have asked for YOUR number. He already knew you from 6 years ago. Instead...he asked for HER number.

Let things be.
 

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Desdinova said:
Holy chirst, this thread exploded while I was sleeping!



If your game worked so great, then you must have a date set with Mr. Crush, and you've gone out and bought a fresh box of rubbers just in case.

But if you DON'T have a date with Mr. Crush, then your 'game' didn't work.

Also, leave your friend alone. It's your jealousy that's causing you to think that she's trying to destroy your friendship, or that she intentionally did this to piss you off. She didn't do a goddam thing. You need to get over the fact that Mr. Crush number closed her, and not you.

GET OVER IT, WOMAN.

This whole thing is your issue. It's all your jealousy, and you're the one who's turning it into a huge fvcking dramatic episode. You need to deal with this WITHOUT dragging all your friends, your neighbours, Mr. Crush, and every goddam member of this message forum into it.
I totally agree with this.

Furthermore...she and he know each other for 6 years...and he has NEVER asked her digits (phone number). This guy does not have a lot of interest on Iqqi. If he did...he would have asked for Iqqi's number LONG TIME ago (as it is clear he is not the shy type).
 

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Thanks everyone for the viewpoints so far.

I DO feel kind of silly for getting riled up about my girl now, however it isn't the first time something like this has happened recently with her, so that combined with me being upset made me feel like I needed to put my finger on it.

It started to cross my mind that some of the things she had been telling me recently, might be due to HER coming on the guys I have been talking to, like I saw the other night. I started to wonder if I was just taking her word for it too quick, and that maybe I should start watching HER. The night before THIS happened, something kind of similar happened.

We were at a bar with a bunch of people from our previous job, and this guy showed up. We both thought he was gloriously beautiful, and through talking we found out it seemed he was interested in both of us from back when we used to all work together. No biggie, her and I are both attractive, and that's how it is in the workplace. When he heard we were there he came and found us, with the biggest smile on his face. He said hi to us both, but he couldn't stop staring at me. The various banter went back and forth between us, catching up, ect.

Then another friend came over to me (a girl) who was having some issue with something, so as I tried to help her out with that, I noticed the guy from work look annoyed (he is kind of snobby and high maintenance). He gave me a look, then went around to where G***** was. Me and the new chick who had issues left to go find some other people. When I came back, G***** and the guy from work were lovey dovey, he got her # and tried to get her to go home with him.

She ended up not calling him because, in her words, he is too snobby and was only into her so much because he was drunk. Which is why I myself had played it cool when he was talking to me. (He is too full of himself... and he was drunk). She on the other hand did the overt flirting thing when he came over to her, and allowed him to basically be all over her in the bar.

I was sort of miffed, but not too much, because in that situation, alls fair. We both established with each other that we both were interested in him, and even though it seemed like he was into me in the beginning, he chose her at the end.

I don't know if you guys see what I am getting at. My style is more subtle, I won't throw myself over anyone, nor will I let anyone feel me up, especially in a public place, when I don't know them that well, or know if I'll ever talk to them again. Her style is more Yes to everything because if I say No he won't like me.... even if I don't like him.

I've been thinking she may be my best line of defense in weeding out guys that just want booty. Any guy who wants someone easy, is going to go after her.

It just makes me upset to think she'd come across as interested and available and easy to a guy she knows I am trying to get at. That is NOT loyalty, and none of my friends would do that.

I had one friend back when we were teenagers do something like this, with a guy I was dating. I was young, and had left in tears. He was just trying to get a rise out of me by going after my easy and promiscuous friend in front of me.

SHE learned a lesson that night, because she realized that the male attention she needed so bad was just a ploy (she was being used), and that it really hurt me. She told me that she had a hard time saying no to men, and my girl G***** is just striking me as having the exact same issue, with the exact same lesson needing to be learned.

FINGZ, I didn't come up with the term romantic rivalry. I was googling things like "friend flirts with my date" trying to find advice, lol, and that phrase is what it kept coming up as! I thought it was funny, too. It is a play on the phrase sibling rivalry. I am just using my word tools here, guys.
 

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Latinoman said:
I totally agree with this.

Furthermore...she and he know each other for 6 years...and he has NEVER asked her digits (phone number). This guy does not have a lot of interest on Iqqi. If he did...he would have asked for Iqqi's number LONG TIME ago (as it is clear he is not the shy type).
I've had a boyfriend for the past few years, that he knew of. Also, I never acted like I was interested in him. No eye contact, no nothing. We didn't really know each other like that. It was more like an intitial eye contact and head nod from across the room, then I'd divert my attention elsewhere. I wasn't even sure of his name at one point.
 
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