RIP victims of the tsunami

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Phrozen - Am I a human? What have I said about humanity? We're all in this thing, all of us, there are no innocents. The plight of the natural world is the burden we all should take responsibility for. Rather than repeat myself to you later, I'll continue this below...

Photo - Like I said, there are no innocents. I don't recall ever directly saying "losing 150,000 people is going to solve the problem with nature," and I'm still not going to. I will say, again, that the less people in the world, the better for the world as a whole. Maybe not for humanity, but humanity isn't very good for the world.

As for my posts being inconsistent, it's like I said: Maybe replying to other people's posts and adding on to my replies might make them seem inconsistent to you, but to me I'm covering all the bases as best as I can without having to write a twenty-page thesis statement. As for "incoherent," I must disagree, but it's in the perspective of the reader in terms of what they're able to understand so I'll leave it at that.

You're right - All living creatures adapt to nature to survive. Survival is of prime importance to all creatures. There aren't too many other creatures, however, that do it the way we do. Maybe if you show me another species as selfish as ours or that destroys its own environment as well as the environment of other creatures the way we do I'll shut up, but I don't see this challenge being met.

Also, like I said earlier - I'm not wishing death upon others for my own agenda. I am saying, however, that with the slow, painful death humans are enstilling on the world that losing chunks of our population shouldn't be taken as harshly as it is. I mean, we can lose an entire species or two and sure, a group of activists will be all over it, but the general population isn't going to care unless it's something like cows that we depend on. Yet, lose an almost marginally inconsequential piece of our population and we all freak out like it's, ironically, the end of the world. Tell me the logic in that. That's why, in my first post, I said this "tragedy" isn't so tragic.

Now, do I consider myself a huge boon to the world (Phrozen)? Well, as fun as it is to inflate our own egos, I'm not going to answer that. I will say, however, that I'll certainly try to be. I'm certainly aiming to get as many people as I can to understand the grand scheme of things rather than just themselves, but I don't have a crystal ball so we'll see.

I'lll say this again - The world is bigger than you, me, them, us. It's about everything; the whole picture, if you will. If you are, in any way, concerned about the world and hoping to insure it's still here for any future generations, then I suggest you understand this. Let us just hope they'll somehow have a better natural world than we do.
 

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CableLight is absolutely right about the media.... but can you blame them?

They only have about 30 minutes to cram in what they think is important in the news and what will get more people to watch.

Lemme guess what was on the CBS Evening news tonight....

Top Story: um.... Iraqis were killed, others injured in car bombs, etc.
second story: tsunami relief
third story: robert blake case (and for the international DJs, it's nothing important....some actor was busted, we Americans eat that stuff up for dinner)
forth story: some old guy gets ripped off in his health insurance, perscription, etc.

They control what we see and what we know....well, they like to think that.... ;)

Arm yourselves with knowledge!!

But going back to the original point; the tsunami was a terrible natural disaster, and it sucks that so many humans were killed. Mother nature....she's one angry bìtch....
 

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Originally posted by idiot_boyfriend

They control what we see and what we know....well, they like to think that.... ;)

"Come one, come all, into 1984."
 

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Ignorence is blis.....ignorence is blis

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I was wondering how 150,000 people can die from the tsunami. It's hardly believable. The amatuer footage of the waves showed zero casualities, i mean, it showed just that the sea flooded, creating a 6-meter high wave. How could that bring 150,000 people to death? It only could kill a max of 1000.

I fear of what the actual wave was like to kill 150,000. I wish there was a video to show that.
 

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I myself had heard about what happened and I thought to myself..."man that sucks" I went on with my life and hadn't thought anything else about it until I found this thread. I think the problem is we as humans hear about people dying everyday and we just get used to it. Hell we go to movies and see people get shot or sliced up while eating pop corn.

What do you expect when something like this happens? Sure noone is going to care what happens because it's not happening to us. You can even go as far as saying that about in our country. People get shot and killed and we think "oh that's really bad" but we go on with our life. It's when it hits home or one of our family members that we begin to make an uproar.

Some may say "well it was their time to go," well this could be true. This however should not stop us as HUMAN BEINGS to lend a helping hand. Now im not donating money to them because I don't have it. The point I'm making is that if you seen someone hurt or knew someone was going to be hurt would you try to help them? A stranger? maybe. A family member? Actually sad to say this but....probably a 95% chance. You? Of course you would save yourself. Would you not want someone to help you or are you so hell bent to believe that you don't need any.

I leave you guys with this thought. What if something happened to you and you needed medical assistance. But the doctor said "ehhh I don't feel like helping that guy right now. I'm gonna go watch a re-run of E.R. Be back in an hour. And he just left you there on the table to die and everyone else just watched. We do it everyday gentleman; I know I have.

I don't really know what to think of this site anymore. If being a DJ is about becoming a better person then it looks like we need to banned every single person and us read the dj bible over and over again because we ourselves are noobs.....
 

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Hey! If you were in America than any family you have left could sue the doctor for medical malpractice or a wrongful death. You may be gone, but your family will be rollin' in the bucks.

And as for your last "paragraph," Insidious, mind decoding that a little more? I don't have dyslexia so I'm not sure how to translate it.

Bye!
 

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Opppppps...I keep forgetting that not everyone talks country like me. hehehehe.

What I ment was people choose the way of the "dj" to become a better person and understand the full meaning of life. One aspect of life is death. Death will come to every single person on this planet no one can hide from it. And the vibe I get from you is that its ok that they died because they wasn't really that wealthy. I call that complete and utter BS. You said in your earlier post that were "all in it together." I don't know about you but I don't think I'd want you on my team. I could be wrong but you don't seem to be a team player. If were all in it together then why not help others?

I hope you understand what I was trying to say. I don't expect you to believe or agree with me. Just shareing my viewpoints like you did.

"could sue the doctor for medical malpractice." Oh you have no idea how wrong you are on that...I know this for a fact. Doctors get away with a hell of a whole lot. Im a walking example....


Death has no respect of person.....
 

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Well, you're taking what I said out of the context of what it was about. I was talking about taking responsibility for the state the world is in and how we need to understand that a lot of it is our doing. A lot of people don't do that, and that's why we need to realize we should.

But let me ask you this - If you truly want to fully become a better person and understand the meaning of life, shouldn't you try to understand life as a whole? As in, not just people, but the full spectrum of things? Basically what I'm getting at here is that the wider view on life we obtain and the wider scale of things we're able to percieve, the better, no?

Also, I know your example about the doctor was simply that - an example. But given the example, for a doctor to simply ignore someone and not do the job they're assigned to, I think there's some legal issues involved with their negligence. I don't know your situation, but you may have wanted a better lawyer.
 

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Originally posted by Rogerman
I was wondering how 150,000 people can die from the tsunami. It's hardly believable. The amatuer footage of the waves showed zero casualities, i mean, it showed just that the sea flooded, creating a 20 foot high wave. How could that bring 150,000 people to death? It only could kill a max of 1000.
Ignorance is bliss. There very rarely are Hollywood-style tsunami waves. Large tsunami's have been known to rise over 90 feet, but for the most part they are 10-20 feet... still very destructive and can cause many, many deaths as this last one has illustrated so well. To understand them better, I'd really recommend you read up on all you can about tsunami dynamics... this same question was answered in expert detail the other day on National Public Radio... I wish I could find the accompying article, as the chief scientist explained how the sudden "flash flood" of relatively low (~20 feet) fast moving water can cause tremendous damage...

Here's a related article, though not the one I wanted...
Offshore and coastal features can determine the size and impact of tsunami waves. Reefs, bays, entrances to rivers, undersea features and the slope of the beach all help to modify the tsunami as it attacks the coastline. When the tsunami reaches the coast and moves inland, the water level can rise many feet. In extreme cases, water level has risen to more than 50 feet for tsunamis of distant origin and over 100 feet for tsunami waves generated near the earthquake's epicenter. The first wave may not be the largest in the series of waves. One coastal community may see no damaging wave activity while in another community destructive waves can be large and violent. The flooding can extend inland by 1000 feet or more, covering large expanses of land with water and debris.
http://www.earthscape.org/t1/noa09/noa09.html

Originally posted by InsidiousNstinct
And the vibe I get from you is that its ok that they died because they wasn't really that wealthy.
For the most part, many of those who fell victim to this tsunami were those in small fishing communities who relied on their proximity to the shoreline to continue their existence. The majority of those who were killed by this natural disaster were not that wealthy, so whoever made that statement would be correct in their assumption.

*edit - I just realized you said that because they were poor, it was okay for them to die. I disagree with this statement, as each life is important.

Also bear in mind that this is just one of many examples of natural selection, where the strongest and luckiest genes survive - it's nature at work evidenced by the other week's catastophre.
 
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Man, I was hoping I wouldn't have to say this again.

Alright, for the last time: I believe what you two are talking about was back a few pages when this li'l debate first started. If we're looking in the same place, you're looking at the part where I talked about how restoring a devestated area back to slightly-less-than-devestated-and-still-in-poverty was ridiculous. I'm not going to go and restate everything I've already said on this issue since then, so if you really want to know where all that was going and where it ended up then reread this thread.

Now...are we done yet?
 

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you may have wanted a better lawyer.

Damn, your right about that one, I'll give you that lol.


I see your point in what your trying to make but as for me I could not think like that but then again vice versa for you. So in the end were just throwing haymakers thats missing each other by a mile lol.
 

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True enough, true enough.

You know, and I've said this before in these "debate" threads and I'll say it again...A lot of the time the thing being debated isn't really settled, but more like there's just no real purpose for it to keep going and going. When the dust settles, it's still interesting to see what people have said in their perspectives and whatnot. You definately don't need to agree with other people's ideas and whatnot, but in the end it's still going to(hopefully) give you more insights and thoughts.
 

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I was wondering how 150,000 people can die from the tsunami. It's hardly believable. The amatuer footage of the waves showed zero casualities, i mean, it showed just that the sea flooded, creating a 6-meter high wave. How could that bring 150,000 people to death? It only could kill a max of 1000.
The massive displacement of water caused by the displacement of the huge slab of rock triggered the tsunami, and the energy of the tsunami is distributed oven the entire depth of the ocean, which can be thousands of feet. If the energy is only distributed close to the surface, the initial wave height may be great but the energy will dissipate relatively quickly, as in a surf wave, and will not travel for 1000's of miles like this tsunami did. Once it reaches shore, it is not like a storm wave where the energy runs out after the wave crashes onshore-because of the momentum in these waves they keep on going.
Many of the deaths are a result of people banged to death by debris moving through the water that has been picked up by the waves, or the people impaled against something (similar to tornadoes, except with water instead of wind). This is because of the massive momentum of these waves and the fact that the water is moving so fast. I could throw out a bunch of math at this point but I will spare you all. Basically, as the velocity of the water increases, the force of that water increases exponentially.
Even a meter of water (a few feet) is enough to knock someone of their feet or to kill them with a fast moving piece of debris. If they survive this, then they have to avoid being sucked back out to sea. This thing is far more powerful than even the most powerful riptide. Swimming will not help you if you are in the wrong place.
 

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and now there are conspiricy theorys, some people now belive it was a nuclear explosion that caused it, what idiots, it was so powerfull that it dwarfs a nuclear explosion, i heared somewhere it had the equivilent power of 2500 mega tons of TNT!!!! (thats 2.5 billion tons of TNT)
 

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Each order of magnitude is about 32x the force of the previous lower magnitude. Therefore a 9.0 earthquake is about equivelant to 21,500 megatons of TNT. That is 21,500 large thermonuclear bombs. It took approximately the equivelant of 1 ton of TNT for Timothy McVeigh to blow up that federal building. Hiroshima was about 15,000 tons, or .015 megatons.
 

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Originally posted by Marcopolo
Each order of magnitude is about 32x the force of the previous lower magnitude. Therefore a 9.0 earthquake is about equivelant to 21,500 megatons of TNT. That is 21,500 large thermonuclear bombs. It took approximately the equivelant of 1 ton of TNT for Timothy McVeigh to blow up that federal building. Hiroshima was about 15,000 tons, or .015 megatons.
And soviets had 300 megaton warheads...

So, it would be an equivalent of around 70 Satans.

Don't you misinform the public ;) :)

Come to think of it... USSR could've actually caused a greater "earthquake" because it had 110 or 120 ICBMs like that.

KEWL! :cool:
 
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