Red pill vs Black pill

[Fruitbat]

Goggins - now you are talking some life changing sh1t.

I’m 30 pounds down because of him and running distances I never thought possible

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

This guy is so correct, I love it OP

 

[bat soup]

I've come across this youtube channel yesterday:

https://www.youtube.com/c/WheatWaffles/videos

It has a bunch of amazing videos that I think are spot on. For example, cold approach is 60% looks and 30% game and online dating is 90% looks, and there are graphs showing various game level and looks and how much game is needed, etc.... He also is offering a service to get people's looks analyzed and scored and what is their lookmax potential. The general idea is that if you are sub-5 in looks (after looksmaxxing) then the black-pill applies. However, if you are between 5-7 in looks after looksmaxxing or are just sub-5 but can looksmax to a higher than 5 then you are in the borderline case where having tight/smooth game can work with cold approach.

Other good nuggets of info is not to approach girls in social circles, at work after you get rejected the first time. If you get rejected twice in the social circle, then you've poisoned the well.

This could provide to be a definitive answer between the arguments of red-pill (confidence, game, personality) vs black-pill (height, face, race, etc...), and also bridge what is an ever increasing divide. This is as to whether self-improvement really works and there is hope (ie if I"m a black-pilled normie and can looksmax and improve on game and see results from cold approaching), or whether whether that is not going to be true in my case.

There are lots of issues covered on that channel, but they've left out JBW because they are worried about being demonitized or being banned on youtube. For that Incel TV is the best channel. For purposes of this thread the JBW factor will be ignored and will only come into play if I'm my looks is too high for the treatment/results that I may feel I'm getting.

All of this is just opinion. People see things from different perspectives based on their own experiences. I doubt a channel called "Incel TV" is going to have a vey positive outlook on life.

Someone that has been rejected a lot and has concluded that their looks are the problem might find comfort in the black pill, but they are still going to want sex because the sex drive is something that is programmed into our DNA.

There is no definitive answer to any of this - these are just the opinions of people looking at the situation from different angles.

 

[YourGreatestFear]

Nah, this is bull****. I know at least two fat guys who bang hot women on a regular basis. This alone proves that blackpill is just a delusion. Even when it comes to online dating you can create an attractive image of yourself with the right photos, for example by showing cool hobbies, a nice apartment, a luxury car, awesome style, etc. Physically attractive men have it easier, that's for sure... unless they are introverts who barely talk to women or have serious social anxiety, I've met a couple of guys like this and they are virgins in their mid-twenties even if they both are at least 8/10 in looks.

You guys need to understand that less than 1% of guys have real charisma and natural game, while at least 5% of guys have the right looks. Strong inner game and confidence are much rarer than looks, so they are even more sought after by women.

 

[Plinco]

All of the "pills" have the problem of not thinking outside the box

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

Nah, this is bull****. I know at least two fat guys who bang hot women on a regular basis. This alone proves that blackpill is just a delusion. Even when it comes to online dating you can create an attractive image of yourself with the right photos, for example by showing cool hobbies, a nice apartment, a luxury car, awesome style, etc. Physically attractive men have it easier, that's for sure... unless they are introverts who barely talk to women or have serious social anxiety, I've met a couple of guys like this and they are virgins in their mid-twenties even if they both are at least 8/10 in looks.

You guys need to understand that less than 1% of guys have real charisma and natural game, while at least 5% of guys have the right looks. Strong inner game and confidence are much rarer than looks, so they are even more sought after by women.

oh the stretched grey anecdotal claim to help your argument. Is this guy in a social circle? Is this guy rich? Are these girls actually hot? Is it only going for damaged brown/Asian whitewashed women? See what I mean? I know for a fact a fat guy with average pictures wouldn’t get much off of online dating for sure, your claim is highly SUS

 

[corrector]

All of this is just opinion. People see things from different perspectives based on their own experiences. I doubt a channel called "Incel TV" is going to have a vey positive outlook on life.

Why would you figure it doesn't have a positive outlook on life? Are you saying life has no value beyond women?

 

[corrector]

oh the stretched grey anecdotal claim to help your argument. Is this guy in a social circle? Is this guy rich? Are these girls actually hot? Is it only going for damaged brown/Asian whitewashed women? See what I mean? I know for a fact a fat guy with average pictures wouldn’t get much off of online dating for sure, your claim is highly SUS

That is just the thing. A sub-5 white guy can get an Asian/Indian gf. So, allot of claims on here are suspect, especially when you see threads like Asian vs Western women get substantially more replies and views than @mikedee cold approach thread. If that's not race-pill/black-pill then I'm not sure what is. I'll tell you who he's not seeing, no 20-26 year old hb7+ Stacies.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

That is just the thing. A sub-5 white guy can get an Asian/Indian gf. So, allot of claims on here are suspect, especially when you see threads like Asian vs Western women get substantially more replies and views than @mikedee cold approach thread. If that's not race-pill/black-pill then I'm not sure what is. I'll tell you who he's not seeing, no 20-26 year old hb7+ Stacies.

Exactly, had a guy on here talk major **** in one of my early topics and I he later admitted that this guy was meeting peasant rice paddy farmer girls in the Philippines and a lot of posters defended him lmao

 

[corrector]

I've been looking at this other video here:

Based on what this video is saying I don't think I'm a sub-5. Listen to what they say about what a true sub-5 ethnic, or even sub-5 white guy experiences out there. Its a world that's as unfamiliar as a Chad/Chadlite. There is a world where women are totally repulsed by you, walk up to you and make rude comments, make things ultra-difficult to you at work, call the police on you if you approach, or look at you like you are dogsh-t to be avoided. Wow. I'm complaining that I feel invisible. They are complaining that being invisible is the best treatment they have got! I'm complaining about what a sub-5 wants. This means I'm probably a black-pilled normie that's a 5-7 (depending on the target girl) with the JBW -2 reduction probably just affecting mainly white-washed ethnics and some white-washed blacks.

I'm not sure if it makes sense to pay someone to rate my face and give me a potential looksmax score. However, it may be helpful even as a normie if there is a hope to improve my appearance, by going to the Gym, at least based on my face, to see if it can bump it up to chadlite, or even whitemaxxing potential (ie if my looks are well in the normie range already) I do not know the horror movies being played out by some men. But I'm glad I found that video. Some people really have it hard. Watch that video and see for yourself.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

I've been looking at this other video here:

Based on what this video is saying I don't think I'm a sub-5. Listen to what they say about what a true sub-5 ethnic, or even sub-5 white guy experiences out there. Its a world that's as unfamiliar as a Chad/Chadlite. There is a world where women are totally repulsed by you, walk up to you and make rude comments, make things ultra-difficult to you at work, call the police on you if you approach, or look at you like you are dogsh-t to be avoided. Wow. I'm complaining that I feel invisible. They are complaining that being invisible is the best treatment they have got! I'm complaining about what a sub-5 wants. This means I'm probably a black-pilled normie that's a 5-7 (depending on the target girl) with the JBW -2 reduction probably just affecting mainly white-washed ethnics and some white-washed blacks.

I'm not sure if it makes sense to pay someone to rate my face and give me a potential looksmax score. However, it may be helpful even as a normie if there is a hope to improve my appearance, by going to the Gym, at least based on my face, to see if it can bump it up to chadlite, or even whitemaxxing potential. I do not know the horror movies being played out by some men. But I'm glad I found that video. Some people really have it hard. Watch that video and see for yourself.

If you are a minority then it's going to be harder to judge you on his scale. You can have girls be repulsed by you just because you are black regardless of your looks, status, and etc. However, You can have girls fetishize you because you are black. You could be a chad lite, but be a sub-5 if you are trying to meet women in a racist ****hole like Nashville, Tn or St. Louis, MO. When I moved to a major diverse city from redneck Nashville, TN, my experiences with women changed completely.

 

[bat soup]

Why would you figure it doesn't have a positive outlook on life? Are you saying life has no value beyond women?

No, I'm saying the opposite. "Incel TV" is totally focussed on women and what they supposedly find attractive.

 

[corrector]

If you are a minority then it's going to be harder to judge you on his scale. You can have girls be repulsed by you just because you are black regardless of your looks, status, and etc. However, You can have girls fetishize you because you are black. You could be a chad lite, but be a sub-5 if you are trying to meet women in a racist ****hole like Nashville, Tn or St. Louis, MO. When I moved to a major diverse city from redneck Nashville, TN, my experiences with women changed completely.

What diverse city did you move to? If the city is more diverse isn't there more whitewashed ethnics?

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

What diverse city did you move to? If the city is more diverse isn't there more whitewashed ethnics?

I live in Houston, and there's not a lot of whitewashed ethnics. TBH you are going to find them in every city, but I can see it being worse in San Francisco, Austin, and Seattle where the cities are economically dominated by white men in tech jobs. I've also been to Asia and this narrative of Asian women being obsessed with white men is highly over exaggerated from men that visit military base towns where whitewash ethnics go towards(like how mudshark white women will go to black clubs lol). If you go outside these particular areas then the women will most likely not give two fvcks about you lol.

Cities I would recommend for minorities, no arranged order

1) Los Angeles
2) Houston
3) Dallas
4) NYC
5) Miami
6) Atlanta
7) DC
8) Chicago
9) Charlotte- I'm not really sure
10) Minneapolis- This one is weird, it's good for banging hot white women, but they tend to have mental issues

Cities I would avoid- any white mecca booming fleet city or decaying rust belt city
1) Denver
2) Austin
3) San Francisco
4) Seattle
5) Nashville
6) Philadelphia
7) Detroit
8) Portland
9) Cincinnati

Cities that I'm unsure about....Phoenix, Las Vegas, Tampa Bay, Boston,

 

[corrector]

I live in Houston, and there's not a lot of whitewashed ethnics. TBH you are going to find them in every city, but I can see it being worse in San Francisco, Austin, and Seattle where the cities are economically dominated by white men in tech jobs. I've also been to Asia and this narrative of Asian women being obsessed with white men is highly over exaggerated from men that visit military base towns where whitewash ethnics go towards(like how mudshark white women will go to black clubs lol). If you go outside these particular areas then the women will most likely not give two fvcks about you lol.

Cities I would recommend for minorities, no arranged order

1) Los Angeles
2) Houston
3) Dallas
4) NYC
5) Miami
6) Atlanta
7) DC
8) Chicago
9) Charlotte- I'm not really sure
10) Minneapolis- This one is weird, it's good for banging hot white women, but they tend to have mental issues

Cities I would avoid- any white mecca booming fleet city or decaying rust belt city
1) Denver
2) Austin
3) San Francisco
4) Seattle
5) Nashville
6) Philadelphia
7) Detroit
8) Portland
9) Cincinnati

Cities that I'm unsure about....Phoenix, Las Vegas, Tampa Bay, Boston,

....and TORONTO?

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

....and TORONTO?

I've never been to Toronto, but I've been to Vancouver and Winterpeg. Why is Toronto so bad?

 

[corrector]

I've never been to Toronto, but I've been to Vancouver and Winterpeg. Why is Toronto so bad?

Its just a reputation of being one of the most difficult places to meet women. Women here tend to be in their own social circles, cliques or little world and it doesn't feel very inviting to do cold approaches as you'll normally get a "what do you want from me vibe?". This city has incel van attacks and has put incel as a terrorist label. There are women living on my same neighbourhood that they are like worlds apart, it wouldn't make a difference to me as I may just live in a desert island. The timing is also different. I grew up in my neighbourhood, and in the 80s you basically knew all of the neighbours in the same cohort, but today everyone is a perpetual stranger.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

Its just a reputation of being one of the most difficult places to meet women. Women here tend to be in their own social circles, cliques or little world and it doesn't feel very inviting to do cold approaches as you'll normally get a "what do you want from me vibe?". This city has incel van attacks and has put incel as a terrorist label. There are women living on my same neighbourhood that they are like worlds apart, it wouldn't make a difference to me as I may just live in a desert island. The timing is also different. I grew up in my neighbourhood, and in the 80s you basically knew all of the neighbours in the same cohort, but today everyone is a perpetual stranger.

A lot of US cities are like that, not all cities are created equal lol

 

[Kotaix]

It doesn't matter where you move to or what you do. If you're stuck up on why you fail, then you will continue to fail.

All I hear are excuses.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

It doesn't matter where you move to or what you do. If you're stuck up on why you fail, then you will continue to fail.

All I hear are excuses.

Disagree, if you are put in a toxic environment then you will eventually become toxic yourself...Just like you are the average of the 5 people you associate with the most. Can that person go from a toxic to a healthy environment and turn everything around? Sure, but it depends on how damaged the person is and it will definitely not be an overnight process.