Red pill vs Black pill

[corrector]

You know, even if you get rejections, you're still changing your personality in the process while slowly building a skill. So even though I haven't had sex with any of the women I've approached so far, it wasn't a waste of time.

How are you changing your personality in the process? I can see you are developing tougher skin. However, if you just play LEVEL 1 in any game that has 100 Levels, then you are just getting good at Level 1. You can correct me if I'm wrong, but cold approaching with a goal of getting a second date or sex sounds like you getting good at Level 1 and possibility Level 2.

How long did it take you to approach 41 women? Was it one day or over the course of time?

What's your end goal @corrector? To find a woman to marry? Because if you can't game women, she'll either cheat on you throughout the marriage or leave you for someone else. If you are black pilled, than you recognize hypergamy, and know this to be true.

I don't see how mastery at Level 1 of a game would help with mastery at Level 40. There are allot of dynamics involved in a developing and established relationship that's not covered by developing thicker skin with cold approach. In fact, if you have to cold approach a large number of women and the relationship/marriage doesn't work out, then you are back to square one and have to start from scratch with a dreaded large number of approaches! Your game and skill-set will weaken as you are in a relationship/marriage since you already have someone.

However, someone with a higher SMV/looks that can readily get into relationships with women have more of that type of useful experience.

So, even taking your argument, I'm not sure if gaming cold approach translate into relationships in a meaningful way.

With black-pill hypergamy means that if the relationship falls apart that she can just go online rather than fight for the relationship, unless you have solid looks and are not that easy for her to replace online, in which case she'll fight for it. However, either way, black-pill either leads to MTGOW where you don't get married in the first place or have that much legal exposure, or that you go head-long into marriage anyway knowing that could be an eventual outcome and just enjoy the ride while it lasts. No matter how much game you have, you can't be someone else 24/7 if it's not really you. At some point in the marriage you'll just default back to your blue-pill ways as you get comfortable because its not you, you get rusty with your game and lose it, and start back to square one anyway, and that's assuming the truth of what you are saying.

 

[corrector]

It becomes who you are. You internalize it.

So what are you advocating then? MGTOW? What is your end goal?

Again, I don't see how limited experience doing some cold approaches would help you 1 or 2 years into a marriage.

I'm not intending to advocate anything here. Like I said, I'm assessing opportunity cost of not doing x, y or z.

There is either two outcomes of this thread. I'm either at my looksmax potential right now (ie I'm so facially unaesthetic that it won't matter what I do to improve my looks or game) or I'm not at my looksmaxx potential (there is opportunity cost in not improving my looks, etc...).

Unless there is room to improve my looks, career, or other SMV things, I don't think game is helpful since you need something to work with in the first place to back up the game.

 

[corrector]

I guess you'll just have to be happy with obese/very ugly women. If that's what you can get, so be it.

Okay so I guess you've used up all your "meaningful comments" fuel.

 

[corrector]

Debate between two heavy weight black-pill and red-pill giants. Lets see who wins!

 

[Bigpapa]

Debate between two heavy weight black-pill and red-pill giants. Lets see who wins!

man , your main problem is not that you are ugly per see

your biggest problem is that you are trying to blame someone else or the circumstances for you problems

the truth is that you do not get laid because you do not approach

even if you would sleep with a woman every 200 approaches , this will take what ?

like 700 minutes maybe , which is like 12 hours

you can easily reach this stats in 1 month

this means that every 1 month you have the potential to sleep with at least a decent woman

I think that this is more interesting , then to masturbate mentally and follow what wired guys say

 

[corrector]

man , your main problem is not that you are ugly per see

your biggest problem is that you are trying to blame someone else or the circumstances for you problems

the truth is that you do not get laid because you do not approach

even if you would sleep with a woman every 200 approaches , this will take what ?

like 700 minutes maybe , which is like 12 hours

you can easily reach this stats in 1 month

this means that every 1 month you have the potential to sleep with at least a decent woman

I think that this is more interesting , then to masturbate mentally and follow what wired guys say

I'm good with an opportunity cost like that. Oh, and BTW, each single approach could take between 30 min - 1 hour on average if you factor in locating a venue to do approaches, working the nerve to do an approach, lingering around to look for a target, not enough girls to approach at a given time, etc.... that would probably be closer to like 2000 hours.

 

[Bigpapa]

I'm good with an opportunity cost like that. Oh, and BTW, each single approach could take between 30 min - 1 hour on average if you factor in locating a venue to do approaches, working the nerve to do an approach, lingering around to look for a target, not enough girls to approach at a given time, etc.... that would probably be closer to like 2000 hours.

The more experience you get , the less time it will take to reach those 200 approaches , as most of the time “used” is mainly most of the time will be “used” on you , not doing the approach per se . Basically most of the time initially will have no productivity , as you use it on non - approach matters

 

[corrector]

Got the results in. I have to lose weight drastically and stick to women over the age of 35 y/o and got the same SEA line and warm approach is recommended. The biggest issue is weight and it looks more obvious on my face that I'm older. Youthmaxxing was suggested.

Based on the feedback, it appears this was all in my head after all and the Red-pill wins because weight is under my control and then meeting women that are over 35 y/o (can't go lower because I don't look youthful enough unless I heavily youthmaxx with hair-transplants, surgical lifts, or wrinkle removal OR I end up betabuxxing or go to SEA) through social circle/warm approach once the weight is gone.

This is a good feedback since it shatters any myth that it's "over for me" or that the black-pill is real since there is a HUGE potential to looksmaxx by losing weight or looking more youthful and I'm not black/ethnic enough to not be able to benefit from JBW myself, which means that could be in my head too. Good height for my age.

Staggering opportunity lost because of failure to lose weight over the years. Will therefore put my focus on diet/weight reduction otherwise I am a troll if I don't shed the bf %. My facial definition is basically "fatted out" all over which is wrecking everything.

 

[corsica]

I think there's a mix between red and black pill. The problem with Red Pill is thinking that if you're lower on the totem pole (Indian, short, dark, bald, etc) can attract a very above-average white girl. You might see some exceptions but that's like winning the lottery.

It doesn't mean if you're below average you'll die alone. You can improve to be able to bed or even wife-up a good looking young and beautiful girl. But most likely abroad where your SMV is higher. If you're a man, you can travel to +50 countries were you can find good looking women willing to marry your ugly ass if you've been born in a 1st world country.

Everything goes back to supply and demand.

 

[SW15]

I am closer to red pill than black pill. There are some black pill content creators that make a lot of sense, such as Wheat Waffles.

Black pill has been gaining in popularity since the mid-2010s.