Red Pill Role's - Do Not Overdose

[Peaks&Valleys]

The funny thing is,, that's what "game" is. that's real game. being able to understand where a woman is coming from and use that to your advantage.

Exactly.

You know what's funny, is all of the guys that preach having a woman be submissive and that's the only way to go, are the same guys that complain that all women cheat.

Yeah, your woman's submissive to you when you're around, doing what you say, making you sandwiches and $hit, bringing you the newspaper, but when she steps outdoors and runs into a guy that throws some natural charm her way and makes her laugh (genuinely, not the courtesy laugh because she's scared of a black eye), then no wonder she finds herself with her lips wrapped around some other guy's c0ck.

It's no wonder so many guys here can't stand "betas": "These guys are nice to our women. Our women like them. They need to be Alpha. Treat our women like the dogs they are. Then we will have army of submissive women, and they will not cheat with beta men."

I'm all for a woman being ultimately submissive to a man, but there's more to a relationship than "controlling" your woman. There's a difference between having a woman be submissive, most of the time, because you're the head of the household, and a woman being submissive because she's scared you're going to hang her out a three story window until she stops that noise that's coming out of her mouth.

There is nothing wrong with understanding women. It doesn't mean you have to accept what they do. But to understand them, and why they do the things they do, will give you so much more control and higher standing, which will in turn make you the genuine leader, and natural Alpha.

 

[backbreaker]

The best thing a man can do for his game, is to live the life he wants to live and no one else's.

In real life, I'm a pretty charismatic dude. Becuase I'm generally, in a great mood. I'm generally in a great mood beucase I love getting up in the morning and I love what I do for a living. I live a kick ass life, that i worked hard to create. My wife enjoys talking to me in the morning, my son enjoys playing with me in the morning before he goes to school. People generally like being around me.

Even that, is not some **** I pulled out of my ass that's old school pook; unite dream and day. The closer your life is, to what you wish it was the happier and more optimistic about life you're going to be. The more people pick up on it and the more the opposite sex picks up on it.

 

[Turuwal]

What you are saying is that if a woman cheats on you, it's obvious that you didn't have enough good game to prevent her from doing so.

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This is every feminist, mangina, savior of S|utopia argument. It's not the woman's fault, it's the man's fault.

That is correct. It is indeed the man's fault. It is the job of the man to lead, and the job of the woman to follow.

If the man is leading then the game runs smoothly and naturally. If the man does not lead then we get what we have in, for example, most relationships in the United States.

If you are not willing to take responsibility for EVERYTHING in your life then I have no time for you at all.

 

[Atom Smasher]

...she's scared you're going to hang her out a three story window until she stops that noise that's coming out of her mouth.

Will this in fact stop the noise?

Please answer quickly.

 

[Peaks&Valleys]

Don't know, never tried it.

You tell me.

Edit on below,TPL:

The answer is no. The noise only increased. But then she slipped out and it was quiet again.

Well that's one way to do it. haha.

 

[Atom Smasher]

The answer is no. The noise only increased. But then she slipped out and it was quiet again.

+1 for giving me the idea.

 

[BeDJ]

A few random thoughts


1. I don't think it's so much the media as much as it is man's worshiping at the feet of *****.

At the end of the day, a woman is only able to get away with what she is able to get away with.


2. In general I'm a much happier person when I"m busy and don't have time to come here. When i come here and visit after a few days it's like walking tinto a tar pit. This place is ****ing depressing. Which leads to

3. When I first came here, there was no red pill / blue pill, no alpha / beta talk. all that stuff starting popping up 3-4 years ago really. You came here becuase you wanted to have sex with women. No one particularly gave a **** back then the whys of why i'm not getting any or the hows of how society works or anything remotely that deep webish


3. If you are 30 years old, and you come here and you've NEVER had sex... women aren't your problem. you are your problem. and your problems are deeper than understanding what alpha / beta is. i mean, it's pretty hard to go 30 years and not have sex. ever. never getting lucky drug girl. never getting a blow job from a woman from a losing bet.

I don't mean that as a slight, I mean, you aren't going to do anything but make whatever underlying problems you have worse with all this pill talk.


5. I wonder how many people on this forum are truly happy.


6. If you hang around here too long and don't mix this site with some real world/ women speak, you are going to never, ever, EVER be able to get laid because you are going to lose your ability to empathize with women. The guys on this site who bring a feministic point of view to discussions, are doing so (gasp) becuase they real with women! shocking thought I know.


The funny thing is,, that's what "game" is. that's real game. being able to understand where a woman is coming from and use that to your advantage.


7. I had a pretty interesting conversation a few days ago with some people about black women. Anyone who reads my posts know that I'm not particularity happy with the Americanized black woman.

In the middle of the conversation it hit me like a ton of bricks. lol

black women and keyboard jockeys / Red pillers so to speak if you will, are the exact same.

the same reason guys laugh at black women are the exact same reasons that people outside the manophere laugh at red pillers.

A. The black woman does not want to accept mainstream Americanized culture which they see as "white culture". This causes a lot of problems. The majority of well adjusted men, just want a normal american girl. Not a woman who is going to bust their balls about being / not being black enough.

The Red Piller does not want to accept mainstream Americanized culture which they see as "blue pill". This causes a lot of problems. The majority fo well adjusted women, just want a normal american boy. Not a boy who is going to try to maintain alpha status throughout the relationship or plays games


B. Black women blame all black men for a few black men's problems. while at the same time, not being attracted to the ones who don't present these problems

The red piller blames all women for a few women's problems. while at he same time, either not being attractedc to, being scared of or not being in the vicinity of women who don't' present these problem. you deal with trash and wonder why you keep getting up with fleas


C. Most black women aren't feminine enough.

Most Red pillars aren't masculine enough. Most wouldn't know what to do on a squat machine or would not know flaxseed oil is. They have no lives of their own


D. When a black woman sees something she doesn't agree with, or something that requires restraint or effort, she just calls it a white people thing and shames you for it. Going to the gym" that's what white people do, and a real man can appreciate a girl with some meat on her bones. Eating food that's not fried? White people food lol. "real man" eat fried chicken and sweet potato pie.Doing your hair on a daily basis like normal women lol? white people. you better respect my natural hair (nappy) And how dare you suggest i have white people hair and actually put a hot iron to it!

Red pillers see something he doesn't agree with and calls it BETA, or even worse, a faggot. Dressing up / learning how to dress? gay/ faggot. Getting a job / busting your ass at work to make more money? BETA. Actually maintaining a relationship with a woman and not ****ing and dumping? BETA game.


'Both black women (in general) want he benefits they simply have not earned on their merits alone.

9. IN general, I don't think that the red pill / blue pill /apha/ beta discussions are conducive to action which in turn, leads to a circle jerk feeling that the whole manophere gives off

in my drug addiction, it never failed. i'd go on a binge, then i'd feel like ****. then i'd finally get to sleep but the next day i'd be so out of it i couldn't really do anything. so i'd plan. i'd make lists. the more detailed the better. it made me feel like i was about to do something, but it never required me to actually go out and do something lol.

My point is, why are you here? are you here to get laid or are you here to figure out why you aren't getting laid? Because that's 2 different things. I can tell you how to get laid in about 1 page. Buy a few books on clothes/ style, stop being afraid to to women, go to the gym, get out the house. that will get 80% of the guys on this forum that aren't getting laid laid within 6 months.

Every guy I have met in real life who wanted to get better with women are now doing 180's from where they were. Guys who were petrified of women are now going up and cold approaching chicks in bars. and closing. Just becuase they feel more confident about themselves. It's not hard. at all.

the older I get the more I realize you can't reason with alot of guys. They don't want to get better. Because getting better requires real work.

Oh shut the fvck up. When you begin to compare red pillers to African American women, your argument holds as much weight as your contribution to SoSuave lately. I was going to leave this thread as is when people began to realize the hypocrisy of this thread. But you. You just set back mankind for years with your thinking and rationalization. Not just white men. Not just black men. Not just yellow men. But fvcking MANKIND.

When you first came here, Pook was beginning to develop what we today refer to as Red Pill. He was one of the ones that developed that ideology for masculinity. I'm going to finish your post so look for an edit.



Edit:

Alright, the rest of your post incoherently talks about self improvement. We want to know more, but what the fvck does this red pill have to do with style? Oh - I get it!!! If we dress nice, all the problems that an average man faces simply goes away! Nice. Why don't you reply to the thread you started in the Married Men forum regarding the interference of a cute chick in her prime making your 35 year old wife jealous? Oh right, you cashed out of the game when you were 26.



Edit 2:

Just in case you forgot about making a thread that is active after 6 pages with 2,500+ views.

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?p=2113903#post2113903

 

[PeasantPlayer]

Information evolves just like everything else is life

 

[TheException]

A lot of responses I will try to get to

Women absolutely seek power in relationships. Once they're done with the c0ck carousel they need a secure relationship with a man who will never leave. They can only get this from a beta fag who will willingly submit. But beta fags have options too (believe it or not). This is were the manipulation, testing and mind games comes in. They would scare the beta away if they were totally upfront with him from the start.

This is very accurate description......of a LOW QUALITY woman. See while betas go through their 20's with minimal sex with ugly girls....alphas are fvcking and marrying the hott high quality women. Betas get to mop of the floor and take the leftovers......resulting in betas marrying low quality wh0res.

This is actually true. Pandering beta faggots let women's anti-social behavior go unchecked. Without consequences.. the behavior gets worse. Like a bratty child.

HOWEVER.. its a chicken or egg argument. What came first? Beta fags or c*nty women? Are women only b!tches because men are faggots? I don't think so. But its part of the problem.

Its good you acknowledged this point. But where you see "chicken and the egg", I see "cause and effect". However we see it.....its a problem nonetheless that we can actually control. A lot more posts on sosuave could be in this arena of game.

Marriage is a fools domain for a man. I don't care who does it. Its beta.

However, I've said many times that not spinning plates or only f*cking one woman doesn't make a man beta. Oneitis is what makes a man beta. It is a form of pedestalization. Its beta no matter who does it. It doesn't stop being beta just because a "red pill" man or high profile man does it.

Alpha is a dynamic thing. Few men spend their entire lives as alphas.

Now come on.....you are NOT going to call one of sosuave's greatest posters and one of the best bloggers in the "manosphere" a beta, just because YOU DONT believe in marriage. Like you said oneitis is what makes a man beta and its entirely possible to be married and not have oneities.

I would never say being polygamous is beta....because its not. Neither lifestyle is beta....but how you act in either lifestyles, certainly could be.

 

[TheException]

Just because beta fags broke the institution of marriage doesn't necessarily mean that being alpha is some cure-all. For example, lets say a woman committed adultery on her beta husband and wh0red around a bit before she met you, an alpha.These things rot the core of a woman and being alpha is not a cure. You can't make a ho a housewife.

Cure-all may be a stretch, one that I never claimed. But tell me if every man on Earth was an alpha, that women's behavior wouldnt drastically improve. Go ahead....Im listening.

What possible motive could you have for rejecting the dictionary definition of manipulative out of existence other than mindless contrarianism? We get it, you think you're better than everyone. Guess what, Ronaldo7 does it better

Quit being a chump. Its not "manipulative actions" its "hypergamous nature". End of story.

 

[TheException]

This sh!t again, I can't believe my words are being used to support NAWALT propaganda.

You are not properly using the NAWALT concept. If you cant see the distinction between low quality and high quality women....its your loss.

What you are saying is that if a woman cheats on you, it's obvious that you didn't have enough good game to prevent her from doing so.

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WAKE. THE FVCK.. UP

This is every feminist, mangina, savior of S|utopia argument. It's not the woman's fault, it's the man's fault.

IT'S NOT MY FAULT I SAID FOR BETTER OR WORSE WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT IT WAS!
IT'S NOT MY FAULT HE GOT UNEMPLOYED AND NOW I HAVE TO SHOP AT WAL-MART!
IT'S NOT MY FAULT FOR LEAVING BECAUSE I WANT A BETTER LIFE!

Women no longer have any accountability and MEN ARE ALLOWING IT TO HAPPEN.

Here we go.....this guy is atleast entertaining when he takes things to the extreme.

Hey pal....theres only 3 reasons a women cheats.
1.) Most commonly....shes a wh0re. Beta men do not properly screen and end up in a relationship with a low quality women who should never be worthy of such.

2.)Over time....women's husband/bf slowly drifts into the beta kingdom and her attraction for him declines. A charmer man with more game comes along and snatches her up.

3.) Alpha resentment(very rare)

Im dealing with # 2 pal. Yes....#2 is preventable by increasing men with game. He11 id almost be inclined to say the majority of the time...the women stays with the man faithfully anyway for risk of losing provisions.

And just like before with the "shaming" bit. People also now want to call everything "feminism". If we disagree it must be because I am a mang1na and support women's rights. You look like a jacka$$ along with the "shaming crowd". Argue on substance not what sounds good.

 

[TheException]

Backfire thread of the year. Ironically the quoted dasein post the OP was trying to "disprove" was the best part of this entire trainwreck.



BINGO!!!

Gynoculture language. Young manginas and old T level lacking baby boomers eat that sh!t up unfortunately.

Whenever I hear a man parrot back jilted fat chick words, nine times out of ten it's a gimmie I know I'm dealing with an oblivious manboob and thats when the trolling usually commences.

Common gynocentric language :

*Homophobe
*Commitmentphobe
*Wow...just wow
*Ummm
*Not Ok
*Equaaaaality
*Rape culture
*OMG

Now here is a guy...who strolls around and inserts himself into selected threads and provides little worth. You talk more about politics than men&women on this forum.(Thank god your right wing atleast)

I wasnt attempting to disprove anything. He was a foil. His purpose was to show how men can "overdose" on the "red-pill". He wrote a 3 paragraph bit on the word "bitter". Very little substance and way overthought. It actually looked like the red pill swallowed him...

 

[TheException]

Theexception is either delusional or has very little experience with women. I know people just like him. They always find out later when their fictional bubble about women bursts.

I don't know, but you sound like a woman. Your threads always take a feministic point of view. Similar to how a proud feminist authors in the articles below. She proudly uses the word "bitter" for her site.

Now usually I wouldnt take the time to even answer something like this....but I just wanted to say thank you for stalking me and taking notes on all my posts. Its very charming.

 

[( . )( . )]

I wasnt attempting to disprove anything. He was a foil. His purpose was to show how men can "overdose" on the "red-pill". He wrote a 3 paragraph bit on the word "bitter". Very little substance and way overthought. It actually looked like the red pill swallowed him...

Nah, he was simply explaining why manginas and chicks are generally the only ones who use gynocentric words. Three paragraphs is hardly "overthinking". Maybe to you it is.

Btw red pill is basically just another way of saying "the ugly truth". So riddle me this. How the hell does one "overdose" on the truth? This entire premise is ridiculous. Why would anyone be afraid of how sh!t really works?

 

[Bokanovsky]

The Red Piller does not want to accept mainstream Americanized culture which they see as "blue pill". This causes a lot of problems. The majority fo well adjusted women, just want a normal american boy. Not a boy who is going to try to maintain alpha status throughout the relationship or plays games.

Yes, mainstream American culture is awesome!! We should all embrace it! Eat junk food, drink sh!tty beer, tune in to MTV for the latest gossip on Miley Cyrus and the Kardashians, slave away at some sh!tty paper pushing job and pay your taxes (to cover food stamps for some ghetto-ass single mom with 7 kids who has never worked a day in her life)...and when you get home, get berated by your fat, domineering wife who you are afraid to divorce because you know the court system will rape you. That's life for your average "normal American boy".

 

[zekko]

2. In general I'm a much happier person when I"m busy and don't have time to come here. When i come here and visit after a few days it's like walking tinto a tar pit. This place is ****ing depressing. Which leads to

3. When I first came here, there was no red pill / blue pill, no alpha / beta talk. all that stuff starting popping up 3-4 years ago really. You came here becuase you wanted to have sex with women. No one particularly gave a **** back then the whys of why i'm not getting any or the hows of how society works or anything remotely that deep webish

>snip

I don't mean that as a slight, I mean, you aren't going to do anything but make whatever underlying problems you have worse with all this pill talk.
Red pillers see something he doesn't agree with and calls it BETA, or even worse, a faggot. Dressing up / learning how to dress? gay/ faggot. Getting a job / busting your ass at work to make more money? BETA. Actually maintaining a relationship with a woman and not ****ing and dumping? BETA game.

Backbreaker, I agree with your entire post. This place is rapidly becoming little more than a joke. Every day I come on here and read how it is impossible to do what you and I are doing - enjoying a healthy relationship with an attractive, decent woman. Every day I come on here and read about how the life I am leading is impossible. Because women today are all too b!tchy, hypergamous, entitled, and fvcking too many other men behind your back.

Furthermore, in light of this information, I read that just by wanting to enjoy a healthy relationship with my girlfriend earns me the title of "beta faggot".

Notice how BeDJ wants to disqualify you because he doesn't approve that you married a 35 year old woman. As if any of us should give a rat's @ss about whether a poster on SoSuave approves of who we choose as a mate.
Besides which, shouldn't you be commended for marrying an older woman? Hasn't it been said that all of "today's" women are worthless skanks? Who would want a woman in her twenties if they are all so tainted?

Sorry, the red pill stuff is just dumb, guys. It's just reality. Face up to it and live your life without thinking you're some superpowered special person because you can see the so called "matrix". Do you think the naturals out there who are actually getting laid give a crap what a red pill or a sh!t test is? No, they're out there living their life.

Also, the alpha/beta stuff is completely out of hand. I would wager 95% of the posters on here are actually betas, conservative estimate. And yet the majority come on here and claim to be alphas and 8 or above in looks. All these 8+ alpha males, and they can't manage to land one decent girl among them? Something around here stinks.

I feel bad for new guys coming here currently who are looking for advice. They're going to be taught that it's wrong to ever try to care about another person, and instead act like a robotic pump and dump sociopathic machine. If you want to live the playboy lifestyle, that's fine. There are benefits to that, especially for the young and inexperienced. But don't harden your heart and resolve to never care about anyone but yourself. If that's the message coming out of here now, this place is doing more harm than good.

Bust your @ss to succeed and raise your value, as people like BB, Cordon, and I did. Not to get women, but to be able to build your houses on solid foundations and be able to stand on your own two feet as self sufficient men. Then you will be able to attract the quality women that this forum claims doesn't exist.

 

[TheODB]

I'm just amused by the concept of a "red pill" altogether. How sheltered did you guys have to be to actually believe that girls/women don't have manipulative, mean-spirited tendencies that equal or exceed men's tendencies towards the same? Where did you dudes grow up where you actually swallowed whole the idea that girls are sugar, spice, and everything nice? Did you not encounter slutty women during your formative years? How is the revelation that women are sh1tty human beings just like everyone else a genuine revelation for some of you?

 

[BeDJ]

Backbreaker, I agree with your entire post. This place is rapidly becoming little more than a joke. Every day I come on here and read how it is impossible to do what you and I are doing - enjoying a healthy relationship with an attractive, decent woman. Every day I come on here and read about how the life I am leading is impossible. Because women today are all too b!tchy, hypergamous, entitled, and fvcking too many other men behind your back.

Furthermore, in light of this information, I read that just by wanting to enjoy a healthy relationship with my girlfriend earns me the title of "beta faggot".

Notice how BeDJ wants to disqualify you because he doesn't approve that you married a 35 year old woman. As if any of us should give a rat's @ss about whether a poster on SoSuave approves of who we choose as a mate.
Besides which, shouldn't you be commended for marrying an older woman? Hasn't it been said that all of "today's" women are worthless skanks? Who would want a woman in her twenties if they are all so tainted?

Sorry, the red pill stuff is just dumb, guys. It's just reality. Face up to it and live your life without thinking you're some superpowered special person because you can see the so called "matrix". Do you think the naturals out there who are actually getting laid give a crap what a red pill or a sh!t test is? No, they're out there living their life.

Also, the alpha/beta stuff is completely out of hand. I would wager 95% of the posters on here are actually betas, conservative estimate. And yet the majority come on here and claim to be alphas and 8 or above in looks. All these 8+ alpha males, and they can't manage to land one decent girl among them? Something around here stinks.

I feel bad for new guys coming here currently who are looking for advice. They're going to be taught that it's wrong to ever try to care about another person, and instead act like a robotic pump and dump sociopathic machine. If you want to live the playboy lifestyle, that's fine. There are benefits to that, especially for the young and inexperienced. But don't harden your heart and resolve to never care about anyone but yourself. If that's the message coming out of here now, this place is doing more harm than good.

Bust your @ss to succeed and raise your value, as people like BB, Cordon, and I did. Not to get women, but to be able to build your houses on solid foundations and be able to stand on your own two feet as self sufficient men. Then you will be able to attract the quality women that this forum claims doesn't exist.

zekko, I'm very happy for you. No sarcasm. It seems you have found someone you have a special connection with. It's a good feeling.

With that said, I too have enjoyed my relationship with an attractive decent woman. When it ended it left me mentally crippled. It's nice to know, I'm not the only one. That other men have been through it before. Yes, I had friends. I had family. They were supportive, but not helpful. I didn't have other resources. The red pill ideology was a glaring explanation to why LTR failed. As a young man, it showed a lot of the challenges I am facing today. It will be there in the future that I must prepare for. Good for naturals that don't need to learn Game. Pieces don't quite come together as quickly as for the natural. And to answer all speculations - No. I am not dwelling in a basement. I'm not a natural, I'm fine with it.

What I am not fine with are people discrediting red pill ideology by using petty insults and internet backhands. The starter of this thread has the reputation to combine The Red Pill and bitterness toward women. See:

You Guys Need A Wakeup Call

We may have different views, I'm okay with that and just ignore. However, if someone is clearly using shaming tactics, that's when the gloves come off. In your post, Humble, OP, backbreaker and others, it was very clear that we were no longer talking about the red pill ideology anymore. It got personal. It was about you and it was about me.

Bust your @ss to succeed and raise your value, as people like BB, Cordon, and I did

These ongoing jabs in this thread are going to have some resistance eventually. The message you sent here was very clear.

I disqualified backbreaker. I don't see credibility if a member makes a thread that puts him in the spotlight and disappearing as other members begin to see what was going on. As far as marrying an older woman, I no longer have comment.

How sheltered did you guys have to be to actually believe that girls/women don't have manipulative, mean-spirited tendencies that equal or exceed men's tendencies towards the same?

I was pretty sheltered, didn't make a lot of friends in high school.

Where did you dudes grow up where you actually swallowed whole the idea that girls are sugar, spice, and everything nice?

I guess it was from my childhood and most of my adult years. My dad did all the cooking and cleaning in the house. My mom handled the finances. He loved the family, he didn't have much friends, but always had a smile on his face. My dad was my role model for my LTR. It didn't work out as I expected.

Did you not encounter slutty women during your formative years?

Yeah I did, I really didn't think much of it. They seemed nice at the time.

How is the revelation that women are sh1tty human beings just like everyone else a genuine revelation for some of you?

It was weird and confusing. My entire life, I've always had that thought. It could have been TV where they were so innocent. Harmless even Maybe it was my friends, family and the boat captain. He said women and children first. I thought, that makes sense. Men are supposed to be stronger. Except, we are faced with the same fate in a storm. So, the lives of men seem to have less worth than women. I didn't think it was fair.

 

[backbreaker]

ON TOP OF THAT ZEKKO SHE'S NOT AMERICAN she's British. you would think the foreign women game dudes would make me their president or something lol.


on a serious note, i give this forum.. 2 years top. it's become the fox news of the red pill, the extreme wing. http://www.reddit.com/askmen will be where all men go to find dating advice in the future, and this forum, the mods here who let this drivel go on, did it to themselves. It was good while it lasted tho

 

[Vice]

Not this red pill bullsh*t again... You guys need to shut the f*ck up about the red pill, swallow that sh*t, and GO OUT DAMN IT. How many of you are going out and meeting women on a consistent basis? Of those who are going out consistently, how many are whining about these pills? So many problems on this forum would be solved...