Listen up.
Thank you very much, JT. That echoes precisely what I've said.
While the basic premises of the DJ Bible are positive and have potential to change a person's outlook on life - it is unfortunately too vague. It is prone to mis-interpretation. I suppose that is the case with any 'manual' that aims to instruct on such abstract matters - religious texts are another example. The Bible has been taken and mis-interpreted or even abused by morally vacuous or misguided people, like the Nazis ('Gott ist mitt uns' was a popular saying of German Wehrmacht soldiers before heading into combat) and the Branch Davidians (remember psycho-boy in Waco, Texas?).
And thus the DJ-Cult is born. They are misinformed students of the precious information in the DJ Bible. This DJ cult is an exercise in brainwashing. It lulls you into believing that you're bigger than what you are - better, more powerful, smarter, more competant, etc. It is a poision that lulls you into complacency and fake confidence. If you want to be truly confident you need something CONCRETE to build it on. Like experience. Like money. Like conversation skills. And YES - like looks.
You see, the reason we are misled like this is because the DJ cult overly emphasizes "believing in yourself", that you're the shyt, as if that in itself will result in tangible results. And to be fair to the guys who first thought up this stuff, the students of DJ-ism are also incredibly ignorant about just HOW LONG this process takes. For most, it will take months. No - YEARS. It isn't a 6 week program. It simply isn't. People are just too impatient in working for results that they get discouraged or mis-apply information. They say that that this 'belief' in oneself will propel you into stardom. Hahaha.....
It's as if *poof* - things will change for the better because you WILL it to. What nonsense.
Without action, without PERSISTENCE - there is nothing. Trying to artificially change your mindset (thinking you're the shyt) is NOT what will change you - it's building things in your life (like a skill, a degree, relationships with friends, children that look upto you, etc.) that will create the sense of self-worth and joie-de-vivre that will raise your confidence and self-esteem. When it's done from INSIDE, if canNOT be hidden. Your warmth and passion and zest just shine out, like you have transluscent skin.
The process is not a linear process where one comes before the other or where one thing results in another (like a chemical reaction or a mathematical equation) - but rather, it is an EVOLVING process, one that is always in flux. That is what DJ-ism is ('DJ' is a nickname we attached to the cult of self-improvement). Thus it is why people keep saying that it's a never-ending process - it is absolutely possible to re-lapse and fall back into the shyt-pile - keep that in mind.
But getting back to the importance of looks (this point is not seperate -- instead, think of it as supplemental evidence to support my point):
Have you guys noticed that the only dudes who ever post consistent success stories are the guys with the good looks or at least the combination of decent looks and very tight game?
Jbbrain for example. I know him to be a good looking kid. Same goes for Jin, if I remember correctly (he models and works at club med - I've seen his trapeze pictures). They will get the most consistent results because they have above average looks. There are also guys that bank heavily on personality and dialogue, like becker. I get the impression that he does decently, but for all the effort and analysis he puts into his intereactions with women, he isn't that great (no offense, bro). That isn't to say he's an unattractive guy (who knows - I've never seen what he looks like), but from what I can gather that's his style - roundabout and dialogue/Jedi-mindtrick heavy. His conversion rate thus leaves something to be desired because he relies more on chatting and lines than something concrete, like looks influence (fame) or money (Of course there are other things such as social proof and personality, but those THREE THINGS ($$$ and looks and fame) are the hard currency of the mating game. All others are stocks and bonds, figuratively speaking. They can have varying returns, or even none at all. It's basically a crapshoot.). We also have weird "characters" and "personalities" that have taken on a life of its own, like Jake Steed (he sounds very forceful and confident, not to mention mysogynistic - but no one really knows if he is all talk or also a man of action.... not to knock him, but a logical person must think of things from all perspectives), and the legendary Pook (who just sounds like a pro-talker/motivational speaker, if you ask me... again, no offense to him). These guys talk an amazing game but at the end of the day you really have to wonder if they just talk a big game. I must admit at times I feel less of a pimp and DJ than some people think. Other times, I feel like a measure up. So taking my personal situation into consideration, I often wonder if these people just talk a tight game or really have what it take (including looks!).
Look, I know this is bad fvcking news for the ugly gentlemen here, but that is how it is. But I am not male model-looking either, so don't think that I am in a position to look down on people and gloat.
Luckily I am not horrible or even average looking. People comment positively on my looks and style from time to time, so I know that I stand out at least somewhat from the masses. However I am a bit out of shape now as I've been occupied and stressed, so I think I've slipped somewhat - I'm in the realm of average-looking these days. But I will overcome that. I plan to build an athletic physique that is top-notch, and I believe that will raise my rating to about 7.5 or maybe an 8 (when I finish weight training and cutting cycles). But even that is no guarantee, as my conversation and social skills aren't near perfect. I'd say decent right now, at best. I will work from there, and see where it takes me.
Of course, I am still just like any of you other guys and placing my cards on the table - I am just going for it. I've put my money on improving my physique some more (so far I feel that's all I need to do a bit better with girls as I already have my outgoing-ness, decent convo skills and very good fashion sense), and I am going with it. I could come out ahead, but then again maybe not. Only time will tell.
And finally, know that what I say isn't original nor even profound. I submit all this to you very humbly. All of you should have been able to pull this out from within, had you not been clouded by all the bullshyt propaganda flying around this seduction web community. If you look inside yourself - I mean REALLY - you will come up with similar conclusions as I did. It's amazing how the fog just lifts up sometimes and it's -so easy- to see the right direction you should be going. Because of this, I am very hopeful this year, in 2004.
Originally posted by JT47319
Of course looks matter. Any guy that thinks differently is a moron or fooling himself. Possibly both.
Now its certainly possible to overcome a weakness with a strength in skill, conversation, humor and mad game. Oh yeah, money too. But you'll always be at a disadvantage if you don't have the male model looks. Best of both worlds if you had all of that.
Little anecdote, had a actor/model friend that had the Brad Pitt look. Dear lord, girls would just THROW themselves onto him and practically beg him to take them home and bang their little brains out. Push their # on him, let him slap their ass, show their tits, whatever. Its was ****ing mindboggling how easy it was for him to have almost any piece of ass if he wanted to. However, he was firmly devoted to his fiancee however which ended up working out just fine since I was his wing; he was like a Walking Opener
So what does that tell us? That girls are sluts? No, that girls are just like guys. That they can be as materialistic, shallow, caring and sensitive as guys. Girls aren't altogether that different from men, their priorities are a little different, but they aren't an altogether different species. So yeah, girls are just as shallow as the men on this board are.
