"Open the door or Take me back to my car"

[jophil28]

I never understood these shit-tests. why would someone supposedly interested in me give me these stupid tests?

Truth is that women today do this automatically mostly. Speaking 'down' to men in social settings has become the norm , so much so that woman are no longer aware that their sneering and contempt is objectionable. They have been caught up and carried along by the waves of female superiority promoted by the media.
Remember that women are gullible and easily 'trained ' , perhaps as easily trained as the chumps who fawn over them..

I recall twenty or more years ago when women looked up to men and spoke to them with admiration, courtesy and respect. Women felt grateful for being asked out and acted accordingly.

The female 'bad attitude' is a relatively recent deterioration . It is a direct consequence of woman believing that they are a glittering prize that any man would be happy to date.
And they believe that why? You figure it out.

Sad days ahead for you young men if you accept that treatment as the price that you are willing to pay for some poon.

 

[cordoncordon]

Truth is that women today do this automatically mostly. Speaking 'down' to men in social settings has become the norm , so much so that woman are no longer aware that their sneering and contempt is objectionable. They have been caught up and carried along by the waves of female superiority promoted by the media.
Remember that women are gullible and easily 'trained ' , perhaps as easily trained as the chumps who fawn over them..

I recall twenty or more years ago when women looked up to men and spoke to them with admiration, courtesy and respect. Women felt grateful for being asked out and acted accordingly.

The female 'bad attitude' is a relatively recent deterioration . It is a direct consequence of woman believing that they are a glittering prize that any man would be happy to date.
And they believe that why? You figure it out.

Sad days ahead for you young men if you accept that treatment as the price that you are willing to pay for some poon.

That's all very true, but don't forget that back then and even further back, for the most part the woman stayed home and was a homemaker or took care of the kids. Most women needed men to survive-hence their supplication, and therefore most of the men over the age of 21 got good jobs out of college or even high school and knew how to take care of themselves AND their family. They were much more mature at a younger age and socially responsible.

Today's men aged 18-30? Honestly the majority, at least in the USA, are immature idiots. All they care about is getting laid and getting wasted. Can hardly take care of themselves let alone a wife and family. I honestly sometimes wonder how women even date most of these clowns without going insane. Hence the women are much more picky and willing to see what is out there. Add in the fact that most women work nowadays, and its just a natural progression that their confidence and their belief that they don't necessarily need men will increase. All part of the human psyche and evolution.

 

[bukowski_merit]

I never understood these shit-tests. why would someone supposedly interested in me give me these stupid tests?

As i said earlier: To prove that you're a strong enough man to not take her sh!t serious.

I know when a women genuinely likes someone, she will do whatever it takes to qualify herself to him instead of 'shit-testing' him but that's just me.

No. If a woman is not sh!t testing a man, it's because she's not interested in him on a sexual level, OR she perceives his value to be much higher than hers.

She asked him a simple question and he answered truthfully...now what's wrong with that?

He didn't just say "no" (which would still be wrong because he's addressing the double bind). He said, basically: Now that you've asked for me to do it - i won't. ("Now that you say that, no")... That's a fvcking childish way to say "no". And that is why all the rest of the things happened. He created this drama by answering in that way.

I mean how would you respond if a woman ask you a question about religion or something like that? Be ****y and funny just to get laid?

Be ****y and funny to avoid being a fvcking angry bore.

I've had several women ask me if i would buy her dinner and i've always replied with 'no, i dunno you that well'.

Yeah, but that's not disrespectful; you're not saying, "Now that you've asked me to buy you dinner, I won't ever buy you dinner." - - - You do agree that that would be way more ****y than any silly ****y/funny comment, right?

See i only reward women for good behavior and only buy dinner/movies etc for someone who reciprocates (this only goes for LTR, i don't pay for dates meals).

This is fine and as it should be. But you surely don't verbalize this to women do you?

but you see some of them would have the nerve to try to tell me that unless i take her out or do something special for her im not getting any...

Do you know how many women i've laid who have said similar things? (they normally direct it at all guys though; ie: "if a guy won't take me out; he's not getting any") Pay no attention to their words...... Women have no idea what the fvck they are talking about when it comes to what makes them spread their legs... Otherwise, you wouldn't hear so much bullsh!t about wanting nice guys from wome....

Now seriously consider this for a minute, if she really was on his dvck would she have kicked all that fuss after he said no? She didn't really care about the OP, all she wanted was someone to make her feel special again.

Wow! Since when is it not ok for a man to make a woman feel special?

Why the fvck is this guy supposed to jump through hoops for an old insecure 40something woman just to get laid?

You jump through a hoop either way....... Better to ignore the hoop...

She should've been the one that should have been the one that was jumping through the hoops.

the OP gave her a game to play.... She played it with him... They both lost... They both came off as children trying to get their way over such a dumb thing...

To suggest he WAS NOT altered by his principles was false. He may open doors for other people, just NOT the 40 year old cougar he wants to stick his 29 year old hard prick in.

Exactly! If the OP has never opened a door for anyone in his life - than dammit - i'll take back everything i said....

But there's a good chance he does; and he holds doors open for people 5 feet away, and he in general is polite to people (i assume).

But he changes when he gets into a dating frame. "Oh, can't show any weakness or politeness to a woman or she'll take advantage of me."

It's a frame of fear, and a frame guys use who are scared of getting hurt.

No surprise that the guys who take that frame; seem to be the guys who are always the most aggressively angry about everything on here.

 

[Atom Smasher]

I recall twenty or more years ago when women looked up to men and spoke to them with admiration, courtesy and respect. Women felt grateful for being asked out and acted accordingly.

The female 'bad attitude' is a relatively recent deterioration . It is a direct consequence of woman believing that they are a glittering prize that any man would be happy to date.
And they believe that why? You figure it out.

Sad days ahead for you young men if you accept that treatment as the price that you are willing to pay for some poon.

This is absolutely true. For too long there has been a mantra here that "throughout history women have always been this way". This is patently untrue, but those of you who are 40 and under have been taught this lie, so you believe it. It's impossible for you to imagin otherwise because it was always that way during your own lifetime.

From the mid-eighties on back, women generally felt fortunate and privileged to go out with a man, and flaking was virtually unheard of. If you had a date with a girl, the last thing on your mind was that she would flake.

I truly wish you guys could go back in time and live it out like jophil and I have. You would be shocked by the awareness of how things were then versus how they are today. You would find out experientially that the deterioration of women's collective character is a relatively recent phenomenon. That's why I always preach that we can be the vanguard of social change by discussing and educating, and also by living in such a way as to demonstrate an unwillingness to accept this childish, bratty, entitled behavior.

These are not universal, historically global traits, men. Rather, they are a relatively recent manifestation of the rot and corruption of our society from within. We men allowed it to happen because collectivelly we were too pvssified to stand up to it (fear of rejection). Now we have awareness and we can proactively start to turn things around, and I genuinely believe we are just starting to do that.

 

[A-Unit]

Re:

Awesome post, Atom Smasher!

I had the fortunate experience of having an actually dating/romance/"how were things in your time" conversation with my grandmother, as I was dutifully given the opportunity to pick her up for a family event. I had 1.5 hours to discuss things with her and I was genuinely interested in THEN versus NOW, especially since she talks with her friends about OUR generation or at least the younglings that we are. (She's 76 and very spry for her age).

While many females of her time were brainwashed by the Catholic church and relegated by their sex to specific social roles, they were also more tolerant, less expectant, more supportive, stronger, intelligent, and down to earth. She remarked how girls at the meager ages of 12 were REQUIRED to work, not only for their well-being, but to HELP the family.

Tell me, would any girl you are targetting today consider working at such an age, let alone work at McDonald's, because that's the equivalent of the situations in which women from the early 1900's worked.

I take no issue with the progress we have made that enables us to be and think free. I take issue with people that don't APPRECIATE it or know from whence we came.

We just don't give ****, even young men don't. Immigrants come to this country and reap more than our home-grown youngins. Women are here, as if they've been blessed by the planet to bestow beauty AND ugliness to all, because rather than spread love, caring or empathy, they demand it, creating black holes. Worse, is that MEN, as this post indicates, rather than DO right because it's RIGHT and GOOD, only do RIGHT for some sort of RETURN ON INVESTMENT OR TIME.

People used to to RIGHT for the sake of doing RIGHT; that was the end and goal. Now, the end is, DOING if the means gets you what you want.

Unfortunately, SoSuave and all dating sites are improperly TEACHING and PROGRAMMING men. From there, the few good women these idiots meet are forever damaged, because if a woman meets one decent MAN and she's hurt by him in deep ways, then all good men would be damaged by her. It's a CYCLE. Men of you are dating someone else's sister. It's your DUTY as a man to be honorable.

How weak a generation of men are weak if the only thing we desire are their pussies and a few moments are hours of pleasure? Men now are acting out their internal pain and frustration, using these tactics for ill gotten gains only to keep the cycle moving and perhaps escalating. I have seen too few admirable men as of late to call my brothers.

 

[jophil28]

How weak a generation of men are weak if the only thing we desire are their pussies and a few moments are hours of pleasure? Men now are acting out their internal pain and frustration, using these tactics for ill gotten gains only to keep the cycle moving and perhaps escalating. I have seen too few admirable men as of late to call my brothers.

This ^^.
However,it is not surprising that GenY (and some GenX) acts in the way that it does.
The "me, me.. me" generation has been drenched in 'post modernist' propaganda and all manner of leftist loonisms.

IF you have been force fed the beliefs that 'morality" is merely whatever your personal convenience decides, then life easily becomes a series of whatever the moment suggests .

 

[HeMan]

haha

wow!

cant believe the Op gave up a fun night by acting like a complete TOOL because the girl asked him to open the door

seriously pathetic

 

[Razor Sharp]

So much of game is all about recognizing and matching people's energy. Granted she was being demanding, but if you read between the lines it sounds like she was just jaded from dating selfish jerks with no manners. She just wanted someone to treat her like lady for once.

As a player it's important for you to hear not just the words people say, but the emotive intent behind those words. Identify with them - bounce that energy back at her:

HER: Would you do that for me?
YOU: Honestly I do that for everyone, it's common courtesy ...which judging by your reaction is not quite common enough. I guess true gentlemen are a dying breed.

You woulda had her eating out the palm of your hand. I mean whatever she was old and did come off kind of pushy so it's no big loss. But you should learn from this experience because all women, young or old, pretty much want the same thing - to feel like they are special and beautiful to someone.

Let's not get so caught up on this anti-feminism kick that we forget our real aim here is to bring women and ourselves joy/pleasure, even if it is fleeting.

 

[squirrels]

haha

wow!

cant believe the Op gave up a fun night by acting like a complete TOOL because the girl asked him to open the door

seriously pathetic

^^This.

Without getting too much into the "philosophy of feminism", that's the bottom-line. The OP could have played the question off in any number of ways...instead he chose to take it as an affront to his "Don Juan Code" and start posturing. The Internet is a good place for these socio-philosophical discussions, but keep that crap out of the "field".

You don't pick a fight over the decline of masculinity/femininity on your first encounter/date with a new girl and you CERTAINLY don't do it in a pick-up/hook-up situation. All the OP succeeded in doing is killing the mood/rapport and making the "MILF" feel very awkward about being around him.

It's just a learning experience, though. Forget her.

"Would you hold the door for me?"
"Sure...I always hold doors for old ladies. "

 

[teacha]

As i said earlier: To prove that you're a strong enough man to not take her sh!t serious.

aka prove your worth to me but better known as low-interest.

No. If a woman is not sh!t testing a man, it's because she's not interested in him on a sexual level, OR she perceives his value to be much higher than hers.

i wanna make it as clear to you as i can, IF A WOMAN IS TRUELY INTERESTED IN A GUY SHE WON'T TEST HIM. Do you understand what i am saying to you?

Wow! Since when is it not ok for a man to make a woman feel special?

....since she has done nothing to deserve it.

This is fine and as it should be. But you surely don't verbalize this to women do you?

its all the same to me whether i let them know verbally or not.

You jump through a hoop either way....... Better to ignore the hoop...

uhmmm no you don't. The only men who jump through are those who are not willing to risk losing women. Most people spend their time here learning stupid theories and philosophies that supposedly work but end up getting all frustrated and bitter as the years go by and start blaming everyone else but them for their own shortcomings. What they fail to realise is that women are insanely easy to get and you don't need any of these so-called special tactics to get laid. Once you really open your eyes to this world only then will you understand all this.

 

[cordoncordon]

Here is a story from last night. My gf and I went to the movies. On the way back to the car after the movies were over, I opened the car door for her.

When we got home. We had sex.

I don't think you can call that a coincidence. I mean the evidence is overwhelming and I think that this proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that opening a car door for a girl is an automatic in for sex.

Cliff notes>

Go to Movies with girl

Open car door for her on way home

.......

.......

Profit

 

[Rubirosa]

I guess I'm lucky...I have 2 vehicles....a very low sportscar and a high truck. So chicks usually appreciate (and need) the help of getting in and out of both of them. I kind of look at the situation as an opportunity to "physically assist" them in this task. Do they squeeze my hand and grab my shoulder for support ? Do they recoil ? I "sprinkle" my chivalry around now and then...no harm, but if I don't start to hear "thank you" after numerous times, I'll start to say "you're welcome" in a sarcastic tone..........

 

[Bluntmaster]

Here is a story from last night. My gf and I went to the movies. On the way back to the car after the movies were over, I opened the car door for her.

When we got home. We had sex.

I don't think you can call that a coincidence. I mean the evidence is overwhelming and I think that this proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that opening a car door for a girl is an automatic in for sex.

Cliff notes>

Go to Movies with girl

Open car door for her on way home

.......

.......

Profit

I went out last night too, and when my girlfriend was about to step on a puddle I stopped her and threw my leather coat on it.

Went home and had sex!

 

[jophil28]

I guess I'm lucky...I have 2 vehicles....a very low sportscar and a high truck. So chicks usually appreciate (and need) the help of getting in and out of both of them. I kind of look at the situation as an opportunity to "physically assist" them in this task. Do they squeeze my hand and grab my shoulder for support ? Do they recoil ? I "sprinkle" my chivalry around now and then...no harm, but if I don't start to hear "thank you" after numerous times, I'll start to say "you're welcome" in a sarcastic tone..........

THis is good^^

 

[romangod]

I went out last night too, and when my girlfriend was about to step on a puddle I stopped her and threw my leather coat on it.

Went home and had sex!

That's nothing. Last night I saw a guy lay down in dog sh!t and let his date walk over him in her high heels.


Went home alone and had a shower. :yes:


Cheers!

 

[jafyk]

Ha ha ha! I love the " last nite" jokes. Way to lighten the mood around here. I'm really surprised this thread has grown to 4 pages, wow!
Anyway, on a lighter tone and in relation to this thread. On my way to class tonight 3 girls opened and held the door for me while smiling too (seriously) I thought about this thread and it their gesture did feel good.
Well, last nite I went out too and I saw a strange girl. I whipped out my portable red carpet. I opened my passenger side door rolled the carpet from the door towards her and motioned for her to get in (no words were needed) we had great sex. Yea, it's just that easy, lol.

 

[Bluntmaster]

That's nothing. Last night I saw a guy lay down in dog sh!t and let his date walk over him in her high heels.


Went home alone and had a shower. :yes:


Cheers!

I had another date tonight. I decided to try it the other way. We went to the batting cage and she tried to pick up a bat from the barrell. She said "hey can you please get this for me? it's heavy". I didn't want to look weak, so I said "go to hell you weak b!tch! You can use mine!" So I tossed her my louisville slugger but I threw it too hard and it clocked her in the face and knocked her out. She is now in my bed unconsious.

It must have worked! About to go tap some unconsious a$$!

 

[iqqi]

^^^^ you are such a goofy mofo.

I swear everytime I am catching up on some Entourage and it's a scene with Vince's brother Drama, I think I am watching you on tv.

 

[bukowski_merit]

i wanna make it as clear to you as i can, IF A WOMAN IS TRUELY INTERESTED IN A GUY SHE WON'T TEST HIM. Do you understand what i am saying to you?

Oh, i understand now; I see so clearly! You're a genius! I am now on your side.

A woman i had a first date with last night (and fvck closed pretty d@mn easily) just text me 10 minutes ago...

"Hey baby, im soooo tired. Can you bring me some starbucks?"

Instead of treating this like a basic sh!t test of a woman trying to figure out how much she can get away with with me.... I now know that she has low interest in me.

NEXT!

Thanks teacha.... i now see the light!

 

[Kailex]

i wanna make it as clear to you as i can, IF A WOMAN IS TRUELY INTERESTED IN A GUY SHE WON'T TEST HIM. Do you understand what i am saying to you?

The only way a woman will never test a man, even subconciously is if they are a corpse.

Sorry, but women will ALWAYS test men, even if they don't know it. It might not be on the first date, it might not be on the second... it might be a year from now, but it WILL happen. And the same goes for vice versa. Any relationship that is SO easy that there's no resistance is either a relationship based on a farce or something terribly wrong is going on with that woman.

There's no way any woman would just roll over and NEVER test a guy, even if the IL is an 11 out of a 10.

So... no, I don't understand what you are saying to me, because you can't deal in absolutes with a situation like that.