Night Game is Dead? Yea, and So is Day Game
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The problem for guys that are not above average in looks is this... Even if they do pull attractive women, its still not a genuine win for them. Why? Because these women didn't love him for just being himself. He had to change, adapt, re-mold his image to fit the likens of his target audience.
Being something that isn't natural for you to be successful is just confirmation that you are a loser. The only exception to this is the guys that truly don't give a shiit. And they haven't given a shiit from day one. I am not one of those guys (but life does seem to be turning me into more of an ass-hole by the day). But those guys who truly don't give a crap are the ones who end up with more attractive women than themselves and are happy with themselves. Their "inner game" is solid. Inner game being a market tailored word for confidence or self-esteem.
I do believe guys can "level up". If you go anywhere where there's a lot of people (baseball game, amusement park, beach etc.) you'll see a decent amount of guys that leveled up. Even on this site you could probably find examples of guys that are regularly dating better looking girls. But its the guys that change their self identity for success with women that are still left wanting. The guys that levelled up with women and are happy, are happy because they did it all while being true to themselves. They didn't betray who they are. They didn't lie to themselves or others about who they are.
I do believe there is a way to "be yourself" and pull hotter women. But it takes time. It takes patience. It takes lots of patience. It takes repeated mistakes and failures. Instead of finding 10 quick ways to get a women to touch your pee pee. Maybe more guys should be learning how to be a man. Do typical manly things like being outdoors or fixing your car. Just something with some challenge, adventure and escape. It puts hair on your balls. Then when it comes to women, you don't even have the motivation to put with their BS. So you just be yourself and if the women come, great. But you're not changing who you are just to please people. PUA techniques are the Lap Band of the dating world. A quick fix, but it doesn't address the larger problem which is why do you need to bang attractive women to feel validated?
I should say, given what I've said above, that I'm not there yet. Maybe I never will be, but I've certainly advanced beyond the stage where I need to a beautiful woman in my life. The fact that I have a gf right now is gravy. But where I'm truly finding my happiness these days is in finding a life outside of work. I've been enjoying the outdoors and getting more exercise away from the stuffy gym. I kayak, I hike, I bike. I've been figuring stuff out on my own. I've been making mistakes but its easy to forgive myself because its all part of the process. My gf knows I have this independent side of me. She acknowledges I need my alone time (but she does say she wants to see more often). All of it though probably just inspires her to be on her best behavior when around me. I know and she knows that our relationship is on borrowed time. So why make it harder than it has to be? Why be something your not? Why put up with things that make you unhappy? I say if I have to be a certain way to attract women or change my image to line up with a girls ideal man, then she probably isn't my ideal woman. I'd rather be alone than be something I'm not just to not be alone.
Being something that isn't natural for you to be successful is just confirmation that you are a loser. The only exception to this is the guys that truly don't give a shiit. And they haven't given a shiit from day one. I am not one of those guys (but life does seem to be turning me into more of an ass-hole by the day). But those guys who truly don't give a crap are the ones who end up with more attractive women than themselves and are happy with themselves. Their "inner game" is solid. Inner game being a market tailored word for confidence or self-esteem.
I do believe guys can "level up". If you go anywhere where there's a lot of people (baseball game, amusement park, beach etc.) you'll see a decent amount of guys that leveled up. Even on this site you could probably find examples of guys that are regularly dating better looking girls. But its the guys that change their self identity for success with women that are still left wanting. The guys that levelled up with women and are happy, are happy because they did it all while being true to themselves. They didn't betray who they are. They didn't lie to themselves or others about who they are.
I do believe there is a way to "be yourself" and pull hotter women. But it takes time. It takes patience. It takes lots of patience. It takes repeated mistakes and failures. Instead of finding 10 quick ways to get a women to touch your pee pee. Maybe more guys should be learning how to be a man. Do typical manly things like being outdoors or fixing your car. Just something with some challenge, adventure and escape. It puts hair on your balls. Then when it comes to women, you don't even have the motivation to put with their BS. So you just be yourself and if the women come, great. But you're not changing who you are just to please people. PUA techniques are the Lap Band of the dating world. A quick fix, but it doesn't address the larger problem which is why do you need to bang attractive women to feel validated?
I should say, given what I've said above, that I'm not there yet. Maybe I never will be, but I've certainly advanced beyond the stage where I need to a beautiful woman in my life. The fact that I have a gf right now is gravy. But where I'm truly finding my happiness these days is in finding a life outside of work. I've been enjoying the outdoors and getting more exercise away from the stuffy gym. I kayak, I hike, I bike. I've been figuring stuff out on my own. I've been making mistakes but its easy to forgive myself because its all part of the process. My gf knows I have this independent side of me. She acknowledges I need my alone time (but she does say she wants to see more often). All of it though probably just inspires her to be on her best behavior when around me. I know and she knows that our relationship is on borrowed time. So why make it harder than it has to be? Why be something your not? Why put up with things that make you unhappy? I say if I have to be a certain way to attract women or change my image to line up with a girls ideal man, then she probably isn't my ideal woman. I'd rather be alone than be something I'm not just to not be alone.
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I should be in bed, gotta get up in 5 hrs. but, the moment I learned to say, "Shut the fvck up!" to ANY b!tch that was giving me sh!t was the moment I learned true pimpery. I don't care how young she is. ALL of them deserve a "shut the fvck up!" I love to see their mouths drop open when I rebuke them like that, and they love it too. See, they've all got it in their heads that you want their pvssy/bodies sooo badly, but when you say "shut the fvck up" it shows them that you don't give a sh!t if you bang her or not because you'll be getting yours from some other hoe, and she KNOWS it. That hurts em to the core...when they KNOW you can get pvssy from another one, because that's all she is, that's all she's got, that's her, her vagina. When you rebuke the vagina, you rebuke all of her. That's all she is.
Kenny Powers
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I agree this is a problem, but rolling over and accepting it isn't a solution. Just use this knowledge to avoid feeling too down when you get rejected or getting too attached to one girl. Be more social, meet more women and better yourself. If that doesn't work move to a part of the world where women are still women and not cold-blooded temptresses with cellphones from the depths of hell... so east europe or south america?
Also the mini-celeb analogy is dead on and highly disturbing. I know a few girls that post every f-ing thing on facebook and I want to tell them to shut the f-up. Apparently there "followers" think otherwise, as every status update is followed by a multitude of comments mostly from guys.
I post original comedic gold and get nothing, these girls post what they had for lunch and get dozens of comments - sign of the times i guess. This would bug me more if I didn't recognize how unintelligent people are. I go to a decent university and sometimes feel like im surrounded by idiots and im not even that smart
Edit: poonani guess i should just tell them then hahah. good post
Also the mini-celeb analogy is dead on and highly disturbing. I know a few girls that post every f-ing thing on facebook and I want to tell them to shut the f-up. Apparently there "followers" think otherwise, as every status update is followed by a multitude of comments mostly from guys.
I post original comedic gold and get nothing, these girls post what they had for lunch and get dozens of comments - sign of the times i guess. This would bug me more if I didn't recognize how unintelligent people are. I go to a decent university and sometimes feel like im surrounded by idiots and im not even that smart
Edit: poonani guess i should just tell them then hahah. good post
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It also depends where you live. If you live in a metropolitan area or big city...of course it's acceptable to approach random women. If you live in anywhere, USA...it's not really acceptable to go up to random women and talk to them for the purpose of picking them up. If you really wanted to, you can go indirect, just chat them up and feel them out. But just blatantly hitting on some woman at a bookstore...at least where I live...you're likely to creep her out no matter who you are, or get a "I have a boyfriend" regardless of what you look like and what you think your game is.
omkara
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Your post adds nothing of value to the thread. You are a value taker. FAILIamJosan said:
omkara
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Another tool with nothing of value to add to the conversation. The adults are trying to have a conversation here.Tiguere said:
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spinaroonie
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Fellas, don't underestimate how Facebook/texting/online dating has changed pickup game.
The 2000s saw a dramatic acceleration in the growth of female-centric communications technology - namely, the explosion of texting, social networking, and online dating that the OP touched upon. Yet most PUA material was developed in the late 90s/early 2000s, before smartphones and Facebook. IMO PUA theory hasn't kept pace with the evolution of communications technology, especially now that the "seduction community" has morphed into the "seduction industry".
IMO all the growth in technology has had a negative effect on game. Simply, girls today have too many distractions and too many options. When was the last time you saw an attractive young woman traveling alone without iPod earpods, or peering down at her smartphone, or without a cell phone glued to her ear?
There was a time when “getting a number” actually meant something. You’d call her home and she’d pick up, you’d have an actual phone conversation, and you’d set up a date. Seems like something from the Jurassic period, but the older guys here will attest to this.
Now it’s 2011. How many threads have we read here where a guy seemingly has a great interaction with a girl in a club and gets the number, only to have the girl screen out his call or ignore his texts the next day? “Flaking” as a verb didn’t exist in the 90s or earlier – flakes were something that came with dandruff.
It’s funny to read guys in here still crowing about getting numbers. Fellas, numbers means nothing. Girls today give out their number like candy on Halloween. How many of those numbers are translating to dates and lays?
Now guys will come on here and say that it’s all a numbers game – that you need to talk to 100 girls and get 20 numbers, play these little text games, and maybe get 3 dates out of it. Who has time for that sh*t? I have other demands on my time – I work, I study, I work out, volunteer, have hobbies, and spend time with family and friends. Far better to invest in one quality interaction with one quality girl that I’ll be assured of eventually dating and laying.
Game 1.0 is dead. It’s time for Game 2.0 – game in the smartphone era.
http://sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=180941
The 2000s saw a dramatic acceleration in the growth of female-centric communications technology - namely, the explosion of texting, social networking, and online dating that the OP touched upon. Yet most PUA material was developed in the late 90s/early 2000s, before smartphones and Facebook. IMO PUA theory hasn't kept pace with the evolution of communications technology, especially now that the "seduction community" has morphed into the "seduction industry".
IMO all the growth in technology has had a negative effect on game. Simply, girls today have too many distractions and too many options. When was the last time you saw an attractive young woman traveling alone without iPod earpods, or peering down at her smartphone, or without a cell phone glued to her ear?
There was a time when “getting a number” actually meant something. You’d call her home and she’d pick up, you’d have an actual phone conversation, and you’d set up a date. Seems like something from the Jurassic period, but the older guys here will attest to this.
Now it’s 2011. How many threads have we read here where a guy seemingly has a great interaction with a girl in a club and gets the number, only to have the girl screen out his call or ignore his texts the next day? “Flaking” as a verb didn’t exist in the 90s or earlier – flakes were something that came with dandruff.
It’s funny to read guys in here still crowing about getting numbers. Fellas, numbers means nothing. Girls today give out their number like candy on Halloween. How many of those numbers are translating to dates and lays?
Now guys will come on here and say that it’s all a numbers game – that you need to talk to 100 girls and get 20 numbers, play these little text games, and maybe get 3 dates out of it. Who has time for that sh*t? I have other demands on my time – I work, I study, I work out, volunteer, have hobbies, and spend time with family and friends. Far better to invest in one quality interaction with one quality girl that I’ll be assured of eventually dating and laying.
Game 1.0 is dead. It’s time for Game 2.0 – game in the smartphone era.
http://sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=180941
Are you guys serious? Here's a hint for you all. Genetics dictates that there's ~1:1 ratio of guys to girls in the world. That number isn't changing. For every one of you dudes out there there is a girl.
Facebook isn't changing this ratio, texting isn't changing this ratio, and technology isn't changing this ratio. Yes, girls are exposed to more guys, and more guys find it easier to sit behind their screens and fire off Facebook messages all day. So what, can't take a bit of competition?
The game is the same, things just move faster now. It's more efficient. If you're not up to par, and don't have what she's looking for then you are almost instantly disqualified, so the goal is the same as it's always been. Figure out how to make yourself better than all those other dudes, and get the girl.
I don't get where the whining is coming from. Some of you just like to deflect what can only be attributed to your own personal failings and blame Facebook. Screw that, stop whining and step up to the plate, or get off this forum and accept your roll in life as foreveralone.
Facebook isn't changing this ratio, texting isn't changing this ratio, and technology isn't changing this ratio. Yes, girls are exposed to more guys, and more guys find it easier to sit behind their screens and fire off Facebook messages all day. So what, can't take a bit of competition?
The game is the same, things just move faster now. It's more efficient. If you're not up to par, and don't have what she's looking for then you are almost instantly disqualified, so the goal is the same as it's always been. Figure out how to make yourself better than all those other dudes, and get the girl.
I don't get where the whining is coming from. Some of you just like to deflect what can only be attributed to your own personal failings and blame Facebook. Screw that, stop whining and step up to the plate, or get off this forum and accept your roll in life as foreveralone.
This game is too much effort for too little reward.
I have a cool girl im with right now. She's attractive, funny, gives me good sex, fun to talk to. We met, I asked her out, i took her out, we f*cked. Simple as that. Why would I want to jump through 1000 hoops to achieve the same exact outcome?
I have a full-time career, errands, gym, and family/social life to tend to....but being a solid dude with your head on straight does not get panties thrown at you. So instead of trying to adapt to "Game 2.0" like a bunch of you nerds here are doing, in lil wayne's words "F-ck these b*tches, I care about everything but these b*tches..."
I'm going to chase Money, Power, and Respect. An attractive escort only costs $500. If your time is worth less than that, then keep doing what you're doing.
I have a cool girl im with right now. She's attractive, funny, gives me good sex, fun to talk to. We met, I asked her out, i took her out, we f*cked. Simple as that. Why would I want to jump through 1000 hoops to achieve the same exact outcome?
I have a full-time career, errands, gym, and family/social life to tend to....but being a solid dude with your head on straight does not get panties thrown at you. So instead of trying to adapt to "Game 2.0" like a bunch of you nerds here are doing, in lil wayne's words "F-ck these b*tches, I care about everything but these b*tches..."
I'm going to chase Money, Power, and Respect. An attractive escort only costs $500. If your time is worth less than that, then keep doing what you're doing.
eh, I just think these types of posts are for people looking for a reason to quit.
I don't know the OP, I can guarantee he has no qualifications to be an expert on the subject, so why should I even take his advice, or who is he to prolaim day/night/whatever game is dead? and then some of you actually believe it. Man I just don't know what to say anymore... I'll just leave it be
I don't know the OP, I can guarantee he has no qualifications to be an expert on the subject, so why should I even take his advice, or who is he to prolaim day/night/whatever game is dead? and then some of you actually believe it. Man I just don't know what to say anymore... I'll just leave it be
Forty0ztoFreedom
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Some good points in this thread, but the one point I would argue is this notion that every girl is this female-player that has 10 plates and has constant validation and male attention. The girls you'll meet out at a bar/club, maybe . . but otherwise, no. There ARE some girls in the world that have trouble with this too, probably more than we think.
Its not so black-and-white.
Its not so black-and-white.
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lol.. you guys are hilarious, feminism, facebook, George Bush, everything is an excuse for your failure.
A quick lesson on logic, let´s say you have a group of 10 females, and 10 males,
every male is hitting on every female, so each girl has 10 guys pursuing them. 10 guys hitting on you is great right? No, because they are also hitting on all other girls, that´s the power of spinning plates.
It is true, that one male is in competition with all the others, but so are the women. Their life is not that relaxed, in a split of a second a more good looking (and that´s not even necessary) girl can come and take their boyfriend away, men are much easier to seduce... So I really prefer our position...
About night game, there are more sluts these days than ever... and I know a lot of guys that make out with strange girls every night at the club... so the problem might just be your game, body language or looks..
A quick lesson on logic, let´s say you have a group of 10 females, and 10 males,
every male is hitting on every female, so each girl has 10 guys pursuing them. 10 guys hitting on you is great right? No, because they are also hitting on all other girls, that´s the power of spinning plates.
It is true, that one male is in competition with all the others, but so are the women. Their life is not that relaxed, in a split of a second a more good looking (and that´s not even necessary) girl can come and take their boyfriend away, men are much easier to seduce... So I really prefer our position...
About night game, there are more sluts these days than ever... and I know a lot of guys that make out with strange girls every night at the club... so the problem might just be your game, body language or looks..
backbreaker
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Exactly! "Just play the game"!!!
How else are you going to improve? Do you think black belts in martial arts, pro golf players, doctors, laywers achieved their success without putting in the hours of practice?
Game is just like anything else, it takes time and dedication to improve it. When a newbie comes to my boxing gym, they won't even let him spar for 2 or 3 months. They won't put him in an amateur bout for a year or two. Yet he trains elbow to elbow with other guys who are more advanced and fight on a regular basis. So if you view success by the number of fights you win, you won't even get your first one for possibly a few years. But I don't see anyone whinning that it's too hard to become an expert or w/er. Guys enjoy coming to the gym everyday and putting in time and effort for the love of the sport. Pple who really want to box understand that it takes a while to get to that level. It's the same thing for Game. You have to enjoy Game for Game's sake before you will have success with it.
How else are you going to improve? Do you think black belts in martial arts, pro golf players, doctors, laywers achieved their success without putting in the hours of practice?
Game is just like anything else, it takes time and dedication to improve it. When a newbie comes to my boxing gym, they won't even let him spar for 2 or 3 months. They won't put him in an amateur bout for a year or two. Yet he trains elbow to elbow with other guys who are more advanced and fight on a regular basis. So if you view success by the number of fights you win, you won't even get your first one for possibly a few years. But I don't see anyone whinning that it's too hard to become an expert or w/er. Guys enjoy coming to the gym everyday and putting in time and effort for the love of the sport. Pple who really want to box understand that it takes a while to get to that level. It's the same thing for Game. You have to enjoy Game for Game's sake before you will have success with it.
IKO69
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Absolutely, you just don't see it. I don't see where this idea of women being approached left and right and all these pursuers come from. Yes at a club I don't doubt but anywhere else it just never happens. I saw a stanger approach a female some time ago in public and that was the first time in a very long. Infact the woman was shocked herself because she didn't expect it to happen the guy walked away with the #. Most guys are too scared to do it. What commonly happens that I see is a woman will be around that catches mens eye but they'll just stare they won't actually do anything about it. If you have the courage to take the risk where most men won't you'll already be far ahead of everyone else and this matters very much if you're looking to "impress" a girl.Forty0ztoFreedom said:
Your not going to impress a girl by approaching her. She views you with disdain. Just read some of the approach journals...90% of these girls that get approached give massive F-off signals right from the get-go.IKO69 said:
Its SUCH bull**** man...I've heard girls talk about this very thing. They say stuff like "guys should man up and come initiate a conversation", "I don't bite, why are guys afraid of me?" But in reality, when you approach a girl, 80-90% of the time you either get F-off signals or they say they have a bf.
Moreover, women of today have HORRIBLE body language. They don't even look inviting. I'msitting in a campus library as we speak, typing this. These girls look angry, *****y, narcacistic, and egotistical. They do not want to be approached just by their bad body language alone
Girls don't want to be approached in public, generally speaking. They prefer to already know their potential mates through social circle. That is why day game and night game is dead. There was a time, I remember it, even though I'm relatively young, when getting a number meant something. Now, a number is very difficult and if you do get it, there is about a 75-80% flake rate. I've had it happen time and time again.
Social circle or die.
