Night Game is Dead? Yea, and So is Day Game

[Wilko]

Good post TIC, I really enjoyed the writing. Pretty illuminating thread too, although we tend to talk ourselves round in circles sometimes, it doesn't always feel like we progress the game to any degree.

Whenever we talk about how the sexual playing field might be changing (for better or worse) there's always someone willing to say rise above it, work harder, become exceptional, and that's valid...for some.

Here's my point, that kind of exceptionalism by definition, is only for a very few, it's not a solution for the majority of guys who are practicing any kind of Game. I take nothing away from the guys who are at the top of their field, they deserve every last BJ and every dollar in their bank account.

Self-improvement and success (however you definite it) are definitely worth pursuing but most of us will never be exceptional, I'm not, I'm right in the meat of the bell curve. I'm confident, comfortable and realistic in my self-assessment. When we're talking about how changes in our social environment affect Game I think it's really worth focussing on how it affects the majority of guys, not so much the outliers.

I think Game should be for the guys in the bell curve and less about trying to push them out of it. Moreover it's just not all that useful to say "yes x blows but it wouldn't be a problem if you were in the top 10%".

 

[sstype]

alright look. Firstly, I try to approach girls no matter who they are. However, the ones that have shown the most interest were white. In the approach journal though, many of those girls are minorites. Dont turn this into something its not. There is no race issue here.

Also, the pic was to give a good look at the haircut dude. Im not walking around with that expression, obviously. It was a bad pic but again I just took it real fast and posted it.

TIC...don't listen to him. The reason you're struggling is b/c cold approaching is one of the hardest games to master. Day Game or Night Game.....not only do you have to attract the girl you have to also get past her social conditioning against hooking up with a random guy. Being good looking alone or white does not guarantee consistent success.

There are so many things that can prevent a hookup from happening. The WORST you can do is get her number. Now you've just lumped yourself among all the other potential suitors that blow up her phone/facebook....and you will automatically lose to any guy she already knows or is comfortable with. Its that simple. If you want her, get her to hookup with you same day/night. Otherwise she will flake on you.

There is no other alternative. Young women live in the moment, trying to plan sh*t out with them with phone calls and dates these days is useless.

 

[Poonani Maker]

There is no other alternative. Young women live in the moment, trying to plan sh*t out with them with phone calls and dates these days is useless.

THis is very true. Young women live in the moment. Trying to plan sh!t out with them these days IS useless. The older ones will keep to your plans more often, though I've had quite a few 25-26 yr old single moms flake the fvck outta me the past year. I'm talkin about flaking within the hour of the date, with a fvcking TEXT fvcking message. Cowardly as can be, and then not fvcking answering the phone. THAT is fvcked up, but it's happened to me 7 or 8 times this last year up until now. Planning is a b!tch now-a-days, unless she's Miss Mature, which Most women are not, at least the ones you wanna bang aren't. Who wants a 34 yr old dog-face girl like I had a couple of weeks ago? She kept to her word, but I can't deal with single OLD women anymore. Most of there minds are on the decline and I can't stand their thinking their trying to be my mom or pigeonhole me as if they KNOW who I am after being with them a mere week or two. That's why I prefer young girls. They don't care about trying to figure me out with a million invasive ?'s. They just wanta have fun i.e. fvck and laugh and leave. I don't need to be dissected like older women try to do to me. There Is no deeper meaning, just live and fvck and leave.

 

[runner83]

alright look. Firstly, I try to approach girls no matter who they are. However, the ones that have shown the most interest were white. In the approach journal though, many of those girls are minorites. Dont turn this into something its not. There is no race issue here.

Also, the pic was to give a good look at the haircut dude. Im not walking around with that expression, obviously. It was a bad pic but again I just took it real fast and posted it.

And one other thing, runner. A good 20-30% of the girls I see every single day have an even worse look on their face than th eone I had in the pic.

It would seem as though women get a free pass to be angry *****es while guys have to be always positive, passionate, sexy, and extroverted.

I guess there's no way a girl could be "creepy", but for me there is.

Mate, point taken about the haircut photo.

I'm not turning this into a race argument, but it is a reality that people (as a general rule) tend to marry within their own races:

http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/10/07/everyones-racist-except-black-women/

http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/01/23/black-men-white-women/

There are exceptions to every rule of course, and I know you desperately wish that race isn't a factor, but denying reality does not change it, and the sooner you accept this, the better.

You will then be able to refine your approaches to hopefully filter out those who aren't interested simply because of this as soon as possible, to allow you to focus on the ones that are interested.

Don't waste your time cursing my name as you jack off since I'm going off for another week.

Instead, continue to learn everything about reality and how to use it to your advantage.

And stop sprouting ridiculous threads like this, when everyone knows it's not true.

 

[DonGorgon]

In fact, all game appears to be dead...

fantastic post !!! 1000% full dosage of truth.. many males will not be able to accept this truth cause it is to hash and depressing and cause well you just have to keep tryng or you have less than no chance at all...

There is one main reason for womens apparent power and that is MALE OVERPOPULATION CAUSING THEM EVEN WHEN UGLY TO HAVE MANY MANY MORE OPTIONS THAN THE AVERAGE MAKE!!!

people love to lie and say there are many more women than mane and that is one of the biggest lies of modern society... if women really out numbered men the situation described in your post would be opposite and in mens favor according to basic accepted laws of supply and demand..

 

[DonGorgon]

Why are women so fickle? Because she has a whole toolshed to herself.
Why are women so picky? She can be, silly. She has a whole toolshed to pick from.
Why are women so unfaithful? Silly tool, she has a toolshed.

if you are brave enough to go deeper you will realize that modern society id fueled by men trying to by stuff and spend money to compete for the limited supply of women who in most cases have over 10 men spending to try and get her at any given time...

 

[TIC]

I'm not turning this into a race argument, but it is a reality that people (as a general rule) tend to marry within their own races:

Oh, most people marry within their own race? Gee sherlock, I had no idea. Thanks for filling me in.

Stormfront is this way by the way ---------->http://www.stormfront.org/forum/

There are exceptions to every rule of course, and I know you desperately wish that race isn't a factor, but denying reality does not change it, and the sooner you accept this, the better.

You will then be able to refine your approaches to hopefully filter out those who aren't interested simply because of this as soon as possible, to allow you to focus on the ones that are interested.

I've heard all this about race, seen all the blogs and threads, blah blah. When I say this isn't a race issue, I mean it. Please stop steering this discussion into race. I've never ever been racist against any ethnicity, and the girls I have dealt with clearly don't care either. Moreover, girls don't have large signs on their backs that say "black/asian/white guys only". There is no way to know without approaching and finding out, which is what I do. I've had sucess with virtually all ethnicities. It hasn't been an issue as far as I can tell, so drop it dude.

Don't waste your time cursing my name as you jack off since I'm going off for another week.

Who cursed your name? I don't even know what your talking about

 

[DonGorgon]

This is one hell of a post and perfectly summarizes what guys are up against today. You're absolutely right about it!

That being said it's important to remember while a woman does have all those men giving her attention she is not interested in most of them and chances are out of the bunch there are only a few that she really cares about at any given time. What it means is this- It's absolutely crucial that you be the best you can be and do the best you can given the opportunities you get. Most women decide early on if they are open to anything with a guy they see and meet. That never changes and if you happen to be in then who cares about what other guys are doing or trying to do. What that shows is you're too worried about others and not secure in yourself yet....because really if you're the type of guy who this comes easy to and you have a girls undivided attention, who really cares about what others think or are trying to do? Not saying you don't have reason, but it is what it is. The only person's opinion that matters is her's and everyone else is a nonfactor.

I have been doing a lot of observing lately, getting a real feel for the situation and i'll tell you what- the type of guy women are looking for, what we define as a 'desirable' guy is still very rare. Fact is most men struggle with women and don't have the confidence a lot of times to really go after someone in a less than ideal situation. Everything has to be perfect- they have to be wearing the right clothes, be seen with the right person, the stars perfectly aligned etc. There are men, the naturals who can pull this off with the odds stacked against them but they are a very small minority and they pull this off because of extreme self confidence and absolute disregard to fear, humiliation & rejection. Most men will never retain this level and go about dating and attracting like a blind person in a dark room looking for a needle. When they happen to get someone it's through sheer luck and have no idea how and why it happens. For people who do take trying to get better with women seriously and improving their own life are at a really big advantage.

^^^^total BS...

women are not looking for "a man" they dont needs to find a certain man .. they can and do have many men for many different things.. and all those men are payed with sex..'

If you are ever lucky enough to have a woman reveal even a small fraction of her true existence you will be amazed and what you hear that you dont want to hear..

women have plenty of thing offered to them every day by many men and though they do turn down plenty they also say yes to plenty and its alot from many men over time..

an average man can never even fathom te way the average woman lives cause he does not have even half the mating opportunities she does and certainly does not have women offering him good and services for sex,..

yes it fine to believe what ever makes it easier to cope with this struggle but only the truth can really set you free

 

[DonGorgon]

I agree 100% with TIC. Times have changed. It's downright depressing out there, I will give specific examples later.

some humans are un able to be that real and see that truth..

 

[DonGorgon]

The reason the OP is getting some haters is because it goes against the whole "Ugly guy can get any girl he wants by sarging her and using the right game" myth.

So some of you like the hunt and the thrill of the chase and occasionally getting an exception lay out of it, good for you.

The biggest pimps I know wouldn't even know what the word AFC or kino means. They wouldn't be on this site in the first place. Women in their social circles come to them because of their looks or value within the circle.

18 to 24 women = your looks
25 to 34 = your looks + your money

FACT!!

 

[DonGorgon]

game only matters when she is already attracted to you ... most times you dont know it yet and she lets you thinks your game is oh so strong.. she already looked at you and decided she would do you.. point is its all based on looks if she does not like you look she will not be open to you "game"

 

[DonGorgon]

Mate, point taken about the haircut photo.

I'm not turning this into a race argument, but it is a reality that people (as a general rule) tend to marry within their own races:.

whites tend to marry their own cause they are already on top, but minorities tend to gain when they marry whites or any race they feel is higher than their own in that culture..

example.. more asian women black women and indian women sleep with white men than white women sleep with black men due to social racial value perceptions.. its all quite simple real and obvious

 

[HolyG]

What's the one thing all of these pvssies whining have in common?

They've never made an approach journal.

I don't see j0n24, Daddy the Pimp, Microphone Fiend, SnowPlowman, allaverage - AT BEST- looking guys, whining. Nope. They're getting laid.

I don't see the RSD Forum dudes (who GO OUT and approach like men) whining. Nope. They're getting laid.

Are you a man or a b!tch? Pick one, and LIVE UP TO IT.
All I see in this thread are a bunch of whiny b!tches.

It makes me smile cuz....I'M NOT GOING TO EVEN WHINE FOR A SECOND ANYMORE....I'm building a passive income lifestyle where I can chase all the finer things in life. I won't end up like you losers.

 

[IKO69]

What's the one thing all of these pvssies whining have in common?

They've never made an approach journal.

I don't see j0n24, Daddy the Pimp, Microphone Fiend, SnowPlowman, allaverage - AT BEST- looking guys, whining. Nope. They're getting laid.

I don't see the RSD Forum dudes (who GO OUT and approach like men) whining. Nope. They're getting laid.

Are you a man or a b!tch? Pick one, and LIVE UP TO IT.
All I see in this thread are a bunch of whiny b!tches.

It makes me smile cuz....I'M NOT GOING TO EVEN WHINE FOR A SECOND ANYMORE....I'm building a passive income lifestyle where I can chase all the finer things in life. I won't end up like you losers.

that's it. i stopped bothering to reply because some would rather be excuse makers rather than taking responsibility for themselves and doing what has to be done instead of blaming a social networking site as the downfall of meeting someone. this site is supposed to be about improvement and becoming more attractive to women-it's really sad what this site has become overrun by helpless sissys who would rather discourage others and tell them to give up. you whine and cry about how things are so unfair, go back and read what you write it's obvious why you're not having success. people want to be around others who are fun and optimistic, not chronic whiners who are ready to give up whenever there is a hint of resistance.

whenever i go outside i see couples everywhere, rich, poor, beautiful, ugly, it doesn't matter and many times a lot are with someone who is "out of their league". for these people to claim you have to be in the top 20% to find someone, that is as delusional as it gets. so in other words 80% of men happen to be alone right now and will probably never find someone? you guys seriously think when a woman looks at a guy for the first time she goes 'Hmm, i think/don't think he look like a 20%'er", get real. if she likes what she see's, she likes what she see's and then you have to follow it up in your conversation, it's elementary, basic a-b-c's, 1-2-3's, stop treating it like some kind of grand conspiracy. you guys would just rather cling to any old excuse and do nothing rather than fixing the real problem, yourselves. there are men who are handicapped, in PRISON, MENTAL INSTITUTIONS, who meet and marry women, and here you are whining and complaining when you're free and have all the opportunities you could want. sound like a bunch of children

 

[backbreaker]

every last one of you need to read this post and shut the F up

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?threadid=16725


you guys think the game has changed because you approached few women and the game is "Dead" because you aren't getting any. I'm telling you every last person that has actually applied the principles here, has been through what you are going through to some extent or another. this **** isn new. nothing has changed. women still want men.


seriously. read, the ****ing, DJ Bible.


To the guy who asked why I am "out of the game" and there must be "more to it"..i'm in love, plain and simple. The point is not to **** as many women as you can for as long as you can. If that is what you want to do there is no problem with that. I found a plate that made me want to stop eating off other plates. The point is to have control over THAT part of your life.To know that I am not "lucky" to have her so to speak, regardless of how much I care about her. To know that I chose her and she did not chose me. To know that if something where to happen I can resume my plate spinning and move on. to know when she comes crying back to me and saying she will change to not even consider it regardless of how bad it hurts me not to i will be better off in the long run. How after 3 and a half years we still **** like rabbits and she's still very much attracted to me. That's what this site is about.

This site does more than teaches you how to get laid. Falcon said that perfectly any dip**** can get his **** wet. I probably had sex with, let me see... 8 women before I ever found this site and I wasn't 19 yet. This site teaches you how to DEAL with women. They are not one in the same.

 

[JdelaSilviera]

DonGorgon, please leave your room.... there are plenty, of nice, available, down to earth women out there, that just want a guy that makes them laugh and make them feel good.

Your view is totally unrealistic, and only represents a small percentage of women!

 

[IKO69]

DonGorgon, please leave your room.... there are plenty, of nice, available, down to earth women out there, that just want a guy that makes them laugh and make them feel good.

Your view is totally unrealistic, and only represents a small percentage of women!

JDS, there is no point. They have already made up their mind and it's all they will see.

In your experience do you find it hard to meet women and are treated as badly as they say when you try to make conversation?

 

[JdelaSilviera]

JDS, there is no point. They have already made up their mind and it's all they will see.

In your experience do you find it hard to meet women and are treated as badly as they say when you try to make conversation?

I was never treated badly.....most women I´ve approached were very polite. Their unapproachable face, changes in a second if you are fun, and approach them with a genuine smile. At least for me, that´s my experience..

But many guys come here to gossip about women, and create a lot of myths to take the responsability away from them.

Getting laid is easy, that´s why we have 6 billion people on this planet... and no facebook won´t change that.

 

[IKO69]

I was never treated badly.....most women I´ve approached were very polite. Their unapproachable face, changes in a second if you are fun, and approach them with a genuine smile. At least for me, that´s my experience..

But many guys come here to gossip about women, and create a lot of myths to take the responsability away from them.

Getting laid is easy, that´s why we have 6 billion people on this planet... and no facebook won´t change that.

yes that's it, you have to go in and make it fun. it's what they want. they are so sick and tired of the average routine that if you can actually be interesting for a change you'll go far. the average guy is already defeated going in nervous wondering if he'll get rejected...i mean what's that all about? you can't think that way, just talk to her like anyone else. that's what works for me and given that i like to joke around a lot it takes care of itself. sometimes don't even need to od that like the other day i took a train somewhere and some woman sitting infront of me kept staring and smiling. i don't see where guys are having problems meeting women. if nothing is happening you have to take the initiative

 

[Mike32ct]

DonGorgon, please leave your room.... there are plenty, of nice, available, down to earth women out there, that just want a guy that makes them laugh and make them feel good.

Your view is totally unrealistic, and only represents a small percentage of women!

I'll respectfully disagree. Humor doesn't get you laid. That only entertains women. Mostly it's looks that get you laid. Of course, status or money can help. Game is a supplement to the other things.

Even in the case of a relationship, humor is something women want in a guy they are ALREADY attracted to.

Welcome back DonGorgon! You tell it like it is. I also agree with the OP.

To the other guys, nobody is saying give up on the game. Just acknowledge how difficult it is for most guys and keep at it anyway. Of course, it's a personal decision how much time and effort you want to put into it.