New strategy for securing straight to your house dates

[GoodMan32]

Being afraid to lose usually is what prevents most men from winning in the long run, ironically.

Indeed. On my last date, I never so much as kissed her.

In the past, I've scared some broads away by being too frisky too soon. So then I started overcorrecting in the opposite direction.

Just like my past experiences with mistaking niceness for interest have caused me to start overcorrecting in the opposite direction.

If only I could find a happy medium.

 

[GoodMan32]

Maybe you should tell him without waiting for him to ask?

He's the expert. If he felt it important, he'd ask.

 

[GoodMan32]

That would be the first thing I would ask.



It definitely isn't. I have used condoms and gone on with life. A good percentage of women younger than @GoodMan32 are on birth control too. The combination of condoms and birth control works quite well.

I don't want to turn this into a thread about birth control. But I've told you before that birth control is too risky. She could forget to take a pill (or purposely go off the pill without telling me).

I know a man whose ex-wife went off the pill without telling him (and ended up pregnant).

I also recall a female classmate in college telling me about a friend of hers who went off the pill to trap a boyfriend.

 

[GoodMan32]

He's an expert, not a mind reader.

I'm so glad I didn't become a full-time therapist.

I know. Still, seeing as he's a relationship expert, I stand by what I said: If he thought my age preference were strange enough to justify an explanation, he'd ask why I prefer older women.

The fact he didn't ask, he probably thinks my age preference isn't strange enough to need an explanation.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

This is the way, no games, no bs, fun and seductive way. How long would be the maximum dates that you'll wait before fvcking her?

Probably 3. But frankly its predicated on how things are going - if things are progressing well, she's very attractive to me, if she is allowing progressive escalation, etc. Given I'm not spending much on dates - most of mine are active, outdoorsy kind of dates - if she's doing the above and is pleasant company about 3 is the point at which I ratchet back if no progress is achieved.

 

[BaronOfHair]

He's the expert. If he felt it important, he'd ask.

It's incumbent upon us to help others to help us. Not telling your shrink, in clear and direct language ("The thought of impregnating a woman terrifies me. So I'm pursuing women who are nearing-past menopause"), what's troubling you undercuts the prospects of treatment being effective

Also, if you haven't been listening to that audiobook

, taking notes, practicing what you've learned, and discussing it with your shrink, start doing so TODAY

 

[SW15]

I know a man whose ex-wife went off the pill without telling him (and ended up pregnant).

I also recall a female classmate in college telling me about a friend of hers who went off the pill to trap a boyfriend.

Your fears are not entirely irrational. Stuff like this happens. It's a risk of life.

A lot of childless men in the seduction lifestyle take precautions and manage to avoid unplanned pregnancy.

I've told you before that birth control is too risky. She could forget to take a pill (or purposely go off the pill without telling me).

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I don't trust a woman's abilities to use birth control so I use condoms.

 

[jamesfromhouston]

Thought I'd just pop in here again as I've been experimenting on building a strategy to straight for "lay" date (with my newer/wavering plates) since my last reply to this read.

Recent 2 successes.

Plate 1

A relatively new plate I had been seeing. We've had sex a few times but things are still very cold. She is a bit withheld and conservative.

Most of the sex has happened after dating or doing some activities together, so recently I wanted to just go straight to sex without making her feel like a slut and trigger her ASD.

I made a date with her and told her we would go to a music performance. I did not buy the tickets. I just told her that I was not able to secure the tickets but we could listen to music at my place. She agreed and came over. Obviously, she knows what that offer meant but I think shooting her the invite like this by creating an acceptable context really helps her in processing her own conservatism on whether to sleep with me.

I think if I had asked her directly, hey do you want to come to my place to listen to music without creating the context, she would have hesitated and most likely said no.

We met up and banged. All is good. I am sure with time, she will be more receptive and I can just ask her direct.

Plate 2

A breaking plate I had been seeing on and off. She has been a bit on the fence because I feel like the relationship talk is coming up soon.

I've been inviting myself over to her place to have sex. And she has come to mine as well. We have only met for sex. But recent attempts to invite her out for our booty call has failed because I sense she wants something serious. But we have not had the talk yet.

Once again, sensing she is experiencing some hesitation on sex; I've been looking for the right context to meet up with her. In her case, she has been going through some trouble with a best friend. I've invited her over to talk in private about it. We do talk but also end up smashing after. I also told her if she ever wanted to have a heart to heart she is welcome every time. Of course she knows sex is in the picture but once again the context allows her to do it without feeling like a slut. And sex always makes her feel good about her friend troubles. So it works well.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Normally, the strict definition of a plate is she comes over to have sex, no fuss no muss no commitment (from either of you). Many men confuse plates with having multiple women that think you’re monogamous to them, not the same.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Normally, the strict definition of a plate...

How much more incentive do we all need to stop speaking and writing like The Manosphere equivalent of

, and rediscover Standard English? In this case, that might something like: "This broad and I are having casual sex 1-2 times per week"

It's tough to imagine society respecting men more than this MeToo-infused era currently does, when so many of us don't even respect ourselves enough to sound and look like

functional adults

 

[zekko]

Your mentation about pregnancy is not normal. Have you talked to a therapist about it?

I don't think it's unusual. Unwanted pregnancies are life changing events.

 

[BaronOfHair]

I don't think it's unusual. Unwanted pregnancies are life changing events.

GoodMan32 admits that his fear is crippling. THAT is unusual

 

[buddhafukko]

It also shows weakness.

Agreed, deceptively changing plans from the get go is very beta.

Not to mention, a date is to screen out the psychos before sticking your **** in crazy. Why would any self respecting man invite a total stranger into his home?

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

Agreed, deceptively changing plans from the get go is very beta.

Not to mention, a date is to screen out the psychos before sticking your **** in crazy. Why would any self respecting man invite a total stranger into his home?

thinking hoes are worth enough respect to be honest with them is beta too

why are you afraid of inviting strange women into your home? whats the worst they could do?

 

[Vanderdonck]

I posted this earlier as an amusing anecdote but I've refined the idea.

Here's what you do. Suggest a nice place for your first date like a ****tail lounge or steak restaurant. Day of or day before, say you're not feeling well but still want to see her and ask if she wants to just come over to your place to watch a movie and get takeout or ice cream or whatever the ****.

This works because it gives you plausible deniability and lets her rationalize the behavior in her own mind. It is even more effective if you name a specific place and specific time so she knows you at least put effort into planning the date which helps the plausible deniability even more. This tactic also works great to protect against flakes and low IL women t since changing plans at the last minute forces them to comply and confirm to new plans rather than texting something like "we still on?" which won't go over well with most women. This tactic may not work with every girl but it weeds out the low interest ones which probably would have just flaked or done some other BS anyway and overall is much more efficient.

It could work. I prefer to get to know a woman before inviting her to my sanctuary. That sh!t's sacred. What if she's a psycho? I'm in no hurry to get laid and prefer the art of seduction.

 

[Agamemnon43]

Just establish that she's a normal functioning individual before inviting her to your home, at least. She can steal. She can stalk you. She can force you to get into unnecessary physical altercations with her which can lead to disasters.

 

[Vanderdonck]

I meet every woman outside my home to vet them before I take them to my lair.

Plus seduction is not that hard. Why skip a fun step.

 

[nismo-4]

I guess if a guy has a lot of date options meaning he’s juggling a lot of chicks on OLD or whatever his sources are, you can afford the lose.

But as we know, most men are not having that kind of abundance.

They act as if they do have abundance. Even if they just block and unmatch a girl that shows disinterest, well at least the guy has his right hand and a Playstation controller. Point is, acting in abundance without actually having it is doomed to fail.

An OLD match isn't such unless sex happened.

 

[GoodMan32]

Interestingly, I'm not afraid at all to let a woman I don't know into my place. That's how I've gotten most of my free sex (broads I met on hookup websites without even meeting up in public first).

On the other hand, the mere thought of asking a woman out in person is a crippling phobia of mine.

 

[nismo-4]

Or having a cool house. With great cappuccino.

Or being a famous multimillionaire. If you're not aesthetically appealing, buy the aesthetical. Buy IG clout too. Buy height if necessary.