My senior year and field reports

[eaglez1177]

Time to digest =]

no i didn't kiss her on the cheeks. i took my hand and lightly "patted" her face with my hand.You patted her face? That seems very weird to me.

As for the question game ( where i asked about her virginity), what should i have asked? should i start slowly? i thought it'd be better not to beat around the bush.

when i say i "bit the question" i ment that i was acting insecure and aikeinghatso how do you know him?" or some stuff like that



When it comes to my attitude, theres a side of me that doesn't like playing these games, and theres a side that says " if a girl doesn't like you making a move on them, then next them. find a girl who is interested"Dont even play that stupid question game at all! Unless you wanna screw yourself over again by eventually asking for a kiss, DO NOT play that game. That whole question game seems very confusing, and if your not an experienced DJ, it can turn out to be very detrimental (as it was in your casee). And if a girl doesnt like you making a move on them, SO WHAT. Thats why DJ's try to BUILD attraction. Just because one of your "moves" doesnt work on a girl doesnt mean you have to completely give up and next her.



Okay, now for today ( more specifically the morning)
so i get to school around 7:00, and im walking around. I decided I would try and get brenda to walk me to class, in which i would tell her that im not interested ( disqualifying myself)I dont think you should disqualify yourself yet because brenda still seems to be sending mixed signals. Just keep escalating with her until she makes it very clear that things arent going anywhere. after talking to a friend of mine for about 20 minutes, i began to walk back to where brenda sat. I sat next to Christina, and she turns and looks at me and says
Christina: wow you blew me off saturday!
me: what??? i was waiting for you to call me to so we can go! ( we had a paintball thing going on, but i didnt have enough cash or i didnt know if she was going. i should of called but meh.)Dont feel like you shouldve called her. If Christina REALLY wanted you to go, she wouldve made the effort to take a minute or two to call you.

It seems like Christina has taken a very friendly turns towards me, when im around her, it seems like im the only guy she talks to. Besides me, she talks to brenda and thats probably it from the people who hang around her.

The bell rings and im walking slowly with christina towards the main building, and brenda follows up behind us. I turn to her and say " walk me to class" and we do. we went upstairs arm and armStop with this whole arm and arm thing. Thats mad gay and very AFC. Its puts across a very friendly vibe. Instead of going arm in arm, put your arm over her shoulder and pull her close in to you while walking. and when we got to my hallway, i turned and said " okay lets go" ( expecting her to walk me to my classroom, so i could go through with my rejection plan)You have a rejection plan? No, dont do that. Making prior "plans" on what to say to a girl never works out. Just speak your mind, and if you truly feel like nexting her, just be confident and straight up about it. No plan is needed.
brenda: atleast walk me half way to my hallway!
me: what do i look like?? your bf?! ( eugh, i end up walking her to her class anyways. AFC much? what should i do? )All you had to say was make up some bs excuse. "Oh im gonna be late for my next class", "I really gotta go Im hungry and wanna buy some food", "I gotta meet with my teacher before class", "I gotta go to the bathroom really bad" Anything lol.

Again, we are arm in arm, and we see Angii and my friend Michael. they're busy saying goodbye to each other, and they see me and brenda walking by. i break the arm lockWhat are you afraid of other peoples opinions if they see you and brenda arm in arm? Teach yourself to not give a sh*t about what others think and find that shes still holding my hand. Not a huge deal there

she says " well duy is walking me to class!" and when we get there, she turns around and gives me a pretty big hug. then when we're infront of the door, she turns and looks at me, with her cheek in my face. she was probably expecting a kiss but instead, i kissed my first and middle finger together, and placed it on her cheek. and say " that's all you get for now" and walk away. if i remember correctly, the reaction on her face was priceless! =)I personally wouldnt have done this because i think its really gay for a guy to do that, but hey, if you can pull it off and get great results, go for it.

unfortuntaely, i didn't go through will my plan, which was to disqualify myself from the other dudes by telling her she's not my type. but idk if it was because i was caught up in the zone, where everything just felt great for me and her being together ( very AFC, i know ) where i just couldn't do it.If you truly want to next her, you just gotta grow a pair and say it man. I already explained this above. Dont let her mood or the vibe or any other outside factors affect your decision. Stick to your guns.

EDIT: This one goes for Serena. I haven't seen her much, let alone had a chance to talk to her, but what do you guys think of me saying " You owe me one" and when she asks what, i set up another date?Eh she doesnt really owe you anything lol. I mean you were the one who messed up on the last date. Just ask her to hang out as you normally would. See below. She says she loves dogs, and i just happen to have a dog. What if i told her to make up for letting me down on the homework in exchange for a date with me,her, and my doggy? afc? keep in mind she hasn't said anything to me yet, because from what i know, we really haven't seen each other.Dont mention the dog in the sense that its gonna be the three of you on the date. If you want though, you can always just say something like "Hey how bout you come over my house this weekend and we can hang out for a bit? I can show you my dog too" Simple and to the point.

This one is for walking brenda to class. Should I continue walking her? I think it would be better not to, but its the only time we're alone. Maybe i should just walk her to class and say " You owe me a date" or something as well. thoughts?I still wouldnt use that "you owe me a date" line. Your making it seem like she HAS to hang out with you for some reason, yet theres really no reason. Just tell her straight up that you want to hang out with her this weekend and see a movie or something idk. Think of something to do with her where you can be in a situation where you can easily advance on her and wont be affected by any outside factors. And if you plan on nexting her (which im no sure if you want to), then dont walk with her to class. As soon as you see her, just come out and next her. Theres no obligation for you to be walking her to class.

 

[jeffthechef]

eaglez has you covered i'm sure

but i've skimmed through most of your posts..and read some of eaglez replies..

You seem to still think like an AFC...what i mean is, you're asking us if you should do something.and that something is usually afc as eaglez tells you

and i've noticed that you've been told to next brenda for quite a while..but you said you were in the zone with her that one day...she gave you a big hug i believe and you did that kiss/hand/cheek thing..which i have never seen before..but that's besides the point...whenever she shows attention/affection, you go back to her..even though we and you believe you should next her

perhaps she was a pst oneitis of yours..or maybe she's jsut a girl you met recently but realize isn't interested..whatever the reason for nexting her is, you should consider the possibly that this girl just wants your attention...

my past oneitis does it all the time..ALL THE TIME..she'll come and sit next to me even if i ignore her completely and don't acknowledge her even when she comes over..i give one word replies to direct questions and show no interest...in the comp lab...she positions herself perfectly diagonal from me..so that she can check to see if i'm staring at her..she's always checking to see if i'm still obsessed over her during our one class together...i've made two afc moves on her..and she didn't reply to either one of them

Now, this was my reasoning for over a year whne i was still quite the afc...well, maybe she wants me to make a move again..perhaps she's waiting for me to do it in a manly way bla blaa....Now, i believe she's like the rest of the girls..she wants attention..brenda might be like this....these girls feel empowered from knowing a guy obsesses over them or wants them..even when this source loses interest..they'll still try to regain it, no matter how uninterested they are in you..they use you like a toy..DON'T LET THEM

as for all your questions regarding how to get the date/number...i read one of your examples about the dog..and always saying you owe me a date type thing

i thought like this all last year..i was in transition during that year...and my first few months after finding this site, i was so excited that i thought of the most elaborate ****...I don't remember this one exactly but here's what i remember..

I would walk up the stairs of this one building to see this girl i liked by her locker...i would start singing marvin gaye...do a michael jackson dance set for about 20 seconds..spin move right next to her..and had this whole 1 min script prepared..some jokes and a beating around the bush to her number..and like the rest of my AFC plans..I NEVER EXECUTED ONE OF THEM. AND I'M ****ING GLAD BECAUSE THE CURRENT ME WOULD HAVE NEVER ADVISED SUCH ACTIONS..

What made me think of all these plans was a lack of confidence...at the time, i thought that simple approaches were too simple..but i now realize that i was too much of a ***** to do a simple and somewhat direct approach..

here's how i approach now..sometimes with slight variations of course..with girls i don't know because numbers frm girls i already know is quite easy..

Walk over normally..at a slow-moderate pace..

m: Hey..i'm jeffthechef *extend my hand for a man/woman hand shake..not the usual handshakes you give with men...palm's kinda opened facing you..and turned counterclockwise 90 degrees..haha if you can imagine...*grin/smile briefly

h: Hello..i'm bla bla
(if we're in a very public setting..lots of people around..most girls are uncomfortable kinoing this long with a guy they just met..at least the girls i've met so if we're in such a location..i release my hand...but if we're in a more closed setting..and the vibe is good..i continue to hold her hand but below the waist and kidna relaxed..)

m: how was your day/ how are things going/ etc.

h: good/bad/bla bla (*NOD..NODDING IS GREAT..just dont overdo it)...you?

m: bla bla like you're really listening to what i'm saying right now

h: oh cool/bla bla/something generic

m: well i have to get to class/go home/ go to practice/ (usually i actually do have somewhere to go)..but i thought i'd stop over and get your number first so that we could have fun together this weekend *big confident smile..looking penetratingly into her eyes.. (as eaglez said..subtly demand it..i'm not asking her if i can have it..i'm telling her that i'm going to get it before i go.....NOW DON'T ****ING SAY **** TILL SHE REPLIES hah..



Usually works...DON'T THINK YOU NEED SOME FANCY ****..if you think you do, it's due to a lack of confidence..i'm sure...and don't think you need to come off as unique/not like other guys...that's bull****

here's what you should think about when considering approaching..

NOT: I have to seem unique and different.
THINK THIS: If she's interested, she'll giev me her number. If she's not, she won't. No magical approach will change this. Approaches aren't meant as an opportunity to build attraction. They're meant for you to not screw the opportunity up.

Two weeks into your fr man..i'm guessing you're looking for a relatinoship..because fbuddies don't require field reports...you have some numbers i think...it seems/ and you might have said...your problem is that you can't get anything going with those numbers..

REMEMBER THIS: If you were the man of her dreams, she would be willing to sacrifice for you. She would reschedule and make things work.

Well..hope this fr doesn't last forever

 

[BongDuy]

9.16.09

So today started off slow. I pretty much spent the morning trying to avoid talking to brenda. the reason behind it is because i didn't know what to do with her. i dont know whether to ask her out, or hang around her with her "orbiters" but i just wasn't sure. I decided to avoid talking to her. This was probably a little awkward because i was kinda hanging out with some of my friends, which were within walking distance of brenda and her friends.

As the day went by, i was looking more forward to the end. We had a swimming match against another highschool, so i saw that as a way to vent my frustration out in a positive way.

When the bell rang, i went to the coach's room to pick up my stuff. I then saw Lee by herself, looking extremely confused and lost. I greeted her and she looked ecstatic to see a familiar face. i walked her to get her stuff in the coach's room and we went together on the bus. we basically had a friendly conversation, most likely building comfort and just getting to know each other. She was extremely friendly and very silly for someone whos been in the states for only 1 month. I loved it because it made me feel like a little kid inside.
Talking to Dennis
On the ride to the swim meet, I sat behind lee. She ended up next to this one girl who she had a convo with. I decided i would take this time to try and open up with Dennis. we had a very nice chat. i talked about her age( shes 16) and i tried to get her to describe her hometown ( Minnesota) For a shy girl, she seemed to take interest in our chat. smiling, eye contact, and she even added some little details here and there. The mainthing during my mind was to make the convo flow naturally, and not like an interview. the convo didn't last to long, probably about 5 minutes in total. I then ejected and went back to sitting behind Lee.
Kino
During the swim meet, we had some friendly kino going on. I got Lee to put sun screen on my back ( i would of done her too, but some girl got to it while Lee was covering my back) Lots of highfives and pats on the back when the race was over. bleh bleh
first "legit" number close? (idk why but i feel so proud of this number close)
I tried to explain to her about magic. but because she spoke broken english, it was kinda hard. But shes a very fast learner, and i love talking to her. I eventually got some hand holding kino by doing some magic. she loved it! made her smile every time. I told her that i'd take her out for some magic shows, and i got her number. very nice

I was gunna get Dennis's number but she ended up leaving from the meet, and her parents were hovering over me and i thought i'd be weird to ask for her number infront of her dad.

Learning the ways of a wingman
So when Lee leaves, along with most of the other girls, i turn to my buddy Cyrus and show him the number. He laughed and told me he knew my plan all along. We had a good laugh, and i noticed he started nudging his shoulder towards this girl sitting down. She was occupied by a girl named Jasmin, and i decided i should try and share the joy of a number close with him. I basically got Jasmin to sit next to me, joking and distracting her while Cyrus attempted to build enough courage to talk to her. I think he was scared because the girl was sitting on the floor with her headphones on, just jamming to her music. He ended up not talking to her, but i tried all the way until we got back home to get him to say something to her. I brought jasmin over to me on the bus, leaving them two close together, even though he never said anything to her. I even tried to text him to ask where shes from, or just to say hi! It feels great to be a wingman, or atleast learn about the ways of becoming a wing man! goood stuff!

All in all, today was a pretty good day. Started slow, but now im feeling great. I got Lee's number, and i can hang out with her this weekend. Maybe take her to the mall and share some of the State's sites to her. Im about to head off to Starbucks and ill see if i can make any cold approaches. Wish me luck!


Btw i swam 100 Meter Breasstroke and got 1:31 seconds, for all you curious swimmers out there

Edit: Oh also, I want to work on my convo skills. I have this NASTY habit of repeating what people say, but with a surprise/emphasis with an unnecessary "wow" followed . For example
"I shot a few guys in paintballing this weekend"
me: "you SHOT some people while paintballing?! wow!"

Just thought i'd throw it in as a reminder to myself. Im also trying to avoid saying "uhmm" and " ahhh". im looking up videos and finding self improvement books all over.

 

[eaglez1177]

Time to digest

9.16.09
Talking to Dennis
On the ride to the swim meet, I sat behind lee. She ended up next to this one girl who she had a convo with. I decided i would take this time to try and open up with Dennis. we had a very nice chat. i talked about her age( shes 16) and i tried to get her to describe her hometown ( Minnesota) For a shy girl, she seemed to take interest in our chat. smiling, eye contact, and she even added some little details here and there. The mainthing during my mind was to make the convo flow naturally, and not like an interview. the convo didn't last to long, probably about 5 minutes in total. I then ejected and went back to sitting behind Lee.Good to see that your practicing! And I like how your practicing on a few girls at different times.
Kino
During the swim meet, we had some friendly kino going on. I got Lee to put sun screen on my backPutting sunscreen on your back is friendly kino? Lol im gonna have to disagree there. I would find that to be more of the sexual kino cuz shes pretty much rubbing her hands all over up and down ur back. For all we know she couldve been really checking you out and going crazy over your muscles (if your somewhat muscular). ( i would of done her too, but some girl got to it while Lee was covering my back) Lots of highfives and pats on the back when the race was over. bleh bleh
first "legit" number close? (idk why but i feel so proud of this number close)
I tried to explain to her about magic. but because she spoke broken english, it was kinda hard. But shes a very fast learner, and i love talking to her. I eventually got some hand holding kino by doing some magic. she loved it! made her smile every time. I told her that i'd take her out for some magic shows, and i got her number. very nice Nice job. You seem to be getting better with kino. If you keep practicing your kino like this, eventually you'll be comfortable kinoing with every girl.

I was gunna get Dennis's number but she ended up leaving from the meet, and her parents were hovering over me and i thought i'd be weird to ask for her number infront of her dad. Thats ok, I prolly wouldve thought the same thing too lol

Learning the ways of a wingman
So when Lee leaves, along with most of the other girls, i turn to my buddy Cyrus and show him the number. He laughed and told me he knew my plan all along. We had a good laugh, and i noticed he started nudging his shoulder towards this girl sitting down. She was occupied by a girl named Jasmin, and i decided i should try and share the joy of a number close with him. I basically got Jasmin to sit next to me, joking and distracting her while Cyrus attempted to build enough courage to talk to her. I think he was scared because the girl was sitting on the floor with her headphones on, just jamming to her music. He ended up not talking to her, but i tried all the way until we got back home to get him to say something to her. I brought jasmin over to me on the bus, leaving them two close together, even though he never said anything to her. I even tried to text him to ask where shes from, or just to say hi! It feels great to be a wingman, or atleast learn about the ways of becoming a wing man! goood stuff! Why not just go for jasmin yourself? If hes too much of an afc to make a move, take charge yourself and show him how its done!

All in all, today was a pretty good day. Started slow, but now im feeling great. I got Lee's number, and i can hang out with her this weekend. Maybe take her to the mall and share some of the State's sites to her. Im about to head off to Starbucks and ill see if i can make any cold approaches. Wish me luck!


Btw i swam 100 Meter Breasstroke and got 1:31 seconds, for all you curious swimmers out there

Edit: Oh also, I want to work on my convo skills. I have this NASTY habit of repeating what people say, but with a surprise/emphasis with an unnecessary "wow" followed .I think the reason why your doing this is because you feel like your running out of things to say, so you just repeat what the girl said to you. Instead of repeating what she said, quickly analyze what she said and make a joke about it or ask another question. For example
"I shot a few guys in paintballing this weekend"
me: "you SHOT some people while paintballing?! wow!"I wouldve made a joke and said: "wow your crazy do you really enjoy shooting guys in the head!?"(even tho she didnt say she shot em in the head, its kind of like you making a small joke about it. Chances are she'll reply with "noo i didnt shoot them in the head!" And then that gives you a chance to make more jokes about her/playfully tease her) Or you know what else works GREAT for me? Telling the girl what you could imagine her doing, but making a joke about it at the same time. Ex: "Hahah wow, I could definitely see you just going crazy like rolling around, taking cover, throwing paintball grenades and shooting people like james bond" (trust me that would really get her laughin)

Just thought i'd throw it in as a reminder to myself. Im also trying to avoid saying "uhmm" and " ahhh". im looking up videos and finding self improvement books all over.

 

[BongDuy]

9.17.09
So this morning I see Christina, juan and some new random guy sitting at the bench where brenda normally sits. i decided i should try and talk to christina since i haven't said anything to her really in a while. we talked and talked and the bell rang. brenda didn't come to school today, and that made me feel slightly at ease, because i didn't really think about her too much today.

I think i may try to escalate with her, maybe ask her out? again? im not sure what to do with her.


IOI?
So anyways, while i was heading to class, I see my friend Marissa. shes standing next to the door at the girl's locker room and is just waiting. i walk up to her and start talking, basic inside joke stuff and then i put my hand on the door, and pretend to open it. suddenly i hear a voice.

"What are you trying to get into the girls locker room?" I turn around and see some white blonde girl. she is very cute, and i was was kind of thrown off. She was Marissa's friend. I ended up responding " yeah because all the cool kids are doing it." and i immediately changed the subject to how an open vending machine inside the girls locker room was open and everything was stolen. basically, i didn't say much else but i thought it was interesting that some girl randomly said something to me, while i was talking to her friend. Maybe an IOI? I could easily approach her any time because she has my lunch and say " hey aren't you marissa's friend? whats your name?" and i can slowly build a connection.

Update on Serena I haven't taken the bus, so i haven't really seen her until today. it was weird, because i was walking around in B lunch ( the lunch she has, I have A lunch) and i saw her. I didn't approach her because her back was to me. i walked around for a bit and when i came back, i noticed her sitting next to my two good friends, Dan and Derrik. I simply said "Hi" to her and talked to Dan and Derrik for a bit. I have a feeling she feels awkward around me, so i dont know what i should do with her either. Later on, I saw her in the hallway, and was about to say something to her before my friend Honeycut grabbed my attention and i ended up distracted and not paying attention to her at all. I dont want to break contact with her, but i dont know what else to do. Should I act like nothing has happen and just try to play kino + friendly to her?

Update on Lee I was thinking of taking Lee out this week, to a magic show ( if there is one anytime soon in my area.) if not i plan to take her out to the mall so she can see more of south florida. But what do you guys think of a magic show date? What if i learned more magic tricks for her? lol

 

[BongDuy]

9.18.09

Tried to talk that freshmen girl at my bus stop. I saw her and when she looked at me, i said " you still here by yourself?" and she said " yeah". I offered my arm to her ( so we could walk arm in arm ) but she just gave me this really confused looked at me weird and said " no" then walked away. Wow way to start my morning x_x

after the bus ride, when we got to school I sat down at the bench where juan, christina and a few others sit at. I talked to Christina about random stuff, got a lot of talking going. I just feel weird kinoing her, not sure why. id give her the occasional bump in the arm and even rub hands, but it just feels extremely out of place to move it into more intimate kino.

Brenda then came out of nowhere, and looked pretty sad/ upset. She sat next down next to juan, across from me. juan got up and stood for some reason, which gave me a seat next to her. I got up, hugged her while she sat, and sat next to her. Im pretty sure i cheered her up because i had her smiling very soon, and it seemed like she was becoming slightly normal again.
The convo didn't really go anywhere, but i wasn't too interested in getting deep with her. atleast not in school. Brenda then says to me " guys, i dont work sunday. We should all hang out". somehow i started a convo on her birthday and how noone from creek was invited, and she said how it was a surprise party she didn't know about. she looked at me and said " you should throw me a party! and i would give you so many kisses" i just laughed at it and didn't do much. She then said " you're more than welcomed to hang out with me on sunday" ( or something VERY similiar) and i of course, agreed. i have her number, so i plan to call her saturday to arrange some plans. Back to reality, I walked her to class again. This time, instead of the arm in arm junk, i put my arm around her waist and she put her arm around my shoulder. It was difficult because her bookbag was huge and it was kind of in the way. i took her to class,hugged her, and she offered me the cheek, like usual, and i just replied " go to class. im not that easy" and just walked away. I think the reason last sunday we didn't hang out was because she had to work. so this sunday there should be no excuse

Girl basically introduced herself to me
During lunch i went to my buddy Rocky, who was sitting next to two girls. I don't really find them attractive, but i figured that they could make good friends and can allow me to get some conversation practice. The point is i was talking to Rocky, and maybe by some chance, i set off this vibe that i was fun and humorous because before i knew it, then suddenly interrupted and started talking to me, laughing and joking. I went along with it, but didn't get their names or numbers, i just wasn't too interested at the time.

Update on Lee
I looked for a magic show, like i promised her, but had no luck. Instead, i plan to take her to the mall and just show her around since she is still new to Florida. we had a little text msg convo because i couldn't find her in school
me hey you going to practice today?
her Oh i cant today, i have to go somewhere how about u
me yeah im going
her oh today weather is very nice
me too bad you cant go what are you doing tomorrow
her yeah sad nothing
me I plan on going to the mall tomorrow. you should come
her oh okay ill see ill ask parents but with who?
me me ill show you some of florida, ill pick u up
her oh cool i want to go lol
me well tell your mommy
her okay and then ill text you

EDIT: i just got a text from her, and the date is on. i will call her tomorrow afternoon after i help out at my school. wish me luck!


apparently shes only staying for a year. i plan to find out if we hang out, because i can talk to her in person and get to know her better. hopefully get some kino and maybe a kiss? we will find out

Update on Serena

So there i am, going on the bus to go home and i see her in the first seat to the left. because the bus is so crowded, she is sitting in the seat next to the broken AC unit that leaks water. She has her phone to her head and seemed like she was busy so i simply said hi and just walked by into a seat a few rows behind her. didn't get to talk to her, so i dont know if she is trying to avoid me or feels everything is awkward between us. maybe another time.

Interesting kino from girls today
I noticed that my friend summer came in to give me a hug. The reason this is such a surprise is because through out the four years we've known each other, shes always considered me the pervert/ weirdo who would probably act to immature for a hug. maybe this shows progression? I also gave her a massage, which she would never let me do before.

Also, during my Student Government class, I was standing there and my friend ashley came up. i think she said something ( cant remember ) and i gave her a funny look. then she gave me a hug and held onto my waist. she then got close and gave me a " hey baby " look and i just said " im not that easy" then she gave me this wet seductive kiss... ON THE CHEEK. :moon:

Just some interesting things i just wanted to post and share. maybe acting more mature and playing hard to get sometimes pays off

Things im working on
Smiling more. I was in math class and was bored. then i just started to try and "fake" a smile. i looked to my friend and asked her if she thought my smile looked good, and she said yes. I then tested it out, making eye contact with this spanish girl. I gave her a small smile, no teeth. she looked at me and looked away, and i just laughed it off. anyways, i think its a positive thing to smile, but i dont want to over do it like crazy (e.g. walking in the hallway with a constant smile.) however, i want to get used to instantley flashing a smile when i make eye contact with any decent looking girl in the hallway.

 

[eaglez1177]

Time to digest

9.18.09

Tried to talk that freshmen girl at my bus stop. I saw her and when she looked at me, i said " you still here by yourself?" and she said " yeah". I offered my arm to her ( so we could walk arm in arm )Eh thats kinda a weird situation to offer such direct kino. I mean you've rarely even talked to this girl and then outta nowhere you try to walk arm in arm with her? No wonder she thought that was weird. And remember what I told you about that whole arm in arm thing lol. but she just gave me this really confused looked at me weird and said " no" then walked away. Wow way to start my morning x_xDont let it bring you down man. Its not a big deal at all.

after the bus ride, when we got to school I sat down at the bench where juan, christina and a few others sit at. I talked to Christina about random stuff, got a lot of talking going. I just feel weird kinoing her, not sure why. id give her the occasional bump in the arm and even rub hands, but it just feels extremely out of place to move it into more intimate kino.Maybe because there were other people around and you felt like it would be out of place to get kino going? And rub hands? That does sound a little awkward to someone you dont kino much. Next time, try starting out with smaller, more discreet kino, and then when you feel comfortable enough, then step it up a notch.

somehow i started a convo on her birthday and how noone from creek was invited, and she said how it was a surprise party she didn't know about. she looked at me and said " you should throw me a party! and i would give you so many kisses" i just laughed at it and didn't do much.Good She then said " you're more than welcomed to hang out with me on sunday" ( or something VERY similiar) and i of course, agreed. i have her number, so i plan to call her saturday to arrange some plans. Is her birthday sunday? Thats pretty good that she wants you to hang out with her on her birthday, but just make sure its the two of you so that you can focus on her and only her and not have to deal with the distractions of other people being there or a party. If its just the two of you, then im sure you got her in the bag. Im confident that you have the game to easily hook up with her if its just you two.Back to reality, I walked her to class again. This time, instead of the arm in arm junk, i put my arm around her waist and she put her arm around my shoulder.Excellent! Having your hand around a girls waist is more of the sexual, non-friendly kino, so nice job! It was difficult because her bookbag was huge and it was kind of in the way.Then put your arm over her shoulder instead i took her to class,hugged her, and she offered me the cheek, like usual, and i just replied " go to class. im not that easy" and just walked away.Excellent again! I think the reason last sunday we didn't hang out was because she had to work. so this sunday there should be no excuseJust remember, dont get too needy about this upcoming sunday. Meaning dont txt her 24/7 trying to figure out plans, cuz you'll come off as desperate to hang out with her. Just play it cool. If I was you, I would try talking to her tomorrow, and then when you two are done talkin for the day, just send her a text like "Ok well I gotta go now....let me know if you wanna chill tomorrow". See how its putting the initiative and pressure on HER to let YOU know? Notice how it doesnt leave you the one sort of hoping on her response. Then, if she texts you the next day, great. If she doesnt, thats fine, but just dont say anything back to her like "hey are we still chilling today?" Cuz if she really wanted to chill, she wouldve texted you.

Girl basically introduced herself to me
During lunch i went to my buddy Rocky, who was sitting next to two girls. I don't really find them attractive, but i figured that they could make good friends and can allow me to get some conversation practice.Very good. I like how even though you dont find two chicks to be attractive, you still make the best of the situation and try to get some practice in. This is pretty rare among most people on the forum here, heck even I myself have some trouble motivating myself to put some game on ugly chicks just for practice. The point is i was talking to Rocky, and maybe by some chance, i set off this vibe that i was fun and humorous because before i knew it, then suddenly interrupted and started talking to me, laughing and joking. I went along with it, but didn't get their names or numbers, i just wasn't too interested at the time. Next time get their names and numbers, but just dont ask them to hang out if ur not interested. Practice makes perfect.

Update on Lee

EDIT: i just got a text from her, and the date is on. i will call her tomorrow afternoon after i help out at my school. wish me luck!


apparently shes only staying for a year. i plan to find out if we hang out, because i can talk to her in person and get to know her better. hopefully get some kino and maybe a kiss? we will find out Great that you have a date, but if your walking around in the mall, when would you have an opportunity to hook up with her? I mean knowing you, imo I dont think you would be able to pull off a kiss in the middle of the mall around a bunch of people (no offense). Maybe you can suggest you two go see a movie? Or, you can take her into a random store where theres alot of isles and space, and then when no one is around, you can go for the kiss right there. Im just suggesting that because even I myself would feel slightly uncomfortable hooking up with someone in a mall with a bunch of people. But going into an empty store wit no one around actually sounds like a good idea to me. But most of all, before the kiss, make sure that the entire date you have A LOT of kino going. It should be easy because usually people at the mall are always kinoing each other (such as bf's and gf's), so I bet that would make you feel a lil more comfortable kinoing. Just kino her like you would brenda in the hallway. Arm around her, teasing, playin with her hands, HOLDING hands (thats great kino), all that stuff.

Update on Serena

So there i am, going on the bus to go home and i see her in the first seat to the left. because the bus is so crowded, she is sitting in the seat next to the broken AC unit that leaks water. She has her phone to her head and seemed like she was busy so i simply said hi and just walked by into a seat a few rows behind her. didn't get to talk to her, so i dont know if she is trying to avoid me or feels everything is awkward between us. maybe another time.Dont give up!

Interesting kino from girls today
I noticed that my friend summer came in to give me a hug. The reason this is such a surprise is because through out the four years we've known each other, shes always considered me the pervert/ weirdo who would probably act to immature for a hug. maybe this shows progression? I also gave her a massage, which she would never let me do before. Wow! That is definitely a progression! And a massage? I hope it was a back massage lol. Massage can turn out to be veryyyy sexual kino. I would def try getting with that chick.

Also, during my Student Government class, I was standing there and my friend ashley came up. i think she said something ( cant remember ) and i gave her a funny look. then she gave me a hug and held onto my waist. she then got close and gave me a " hey baby " look and i just said " im not that easy" then she gave me this wet seductive kiss... ON THE CHEEK. :moon: Thats great news man! Looks to me like ashley fvcking WANTS you. Go for it before its too late! I wouldnt worry too much about the cheek thing here. The fact that she gave you a lingering hug, gave you a sexy look, and a seductive kiss, shows that shes interested. Compare it to one of brendas kisses. Wouldnt you say that brenda's was more friendly? I would def try advancing on this chick and try to hang out with her one on one so you can hook up the entire time.

Just some interesting things i just wanted to post and share. maybe acting more mature and playing hard to get sometimes pays offI think it does benefit you cuz when you say "im not that easy", it gets girls thinking cuz most guys wouldnt says something like that. It makes you interesting and mysterious. Just make sure you dont over-do it though.

Things im working on
Smiling more. I was in math class and was bored. then i just started to try and "fake" a smile. i looked to my friend and asked her if she thought my smile looked good, and she said yes. I then tested it out, making eye contact with this spanish girl. I gave her a small smile, no teeth. she looked at me and looked away, and i just laughed it off. anyways, i think its a positive thing to smile, but i dont want to over do it like crazy (e.g. walking in the hallway with a constant smile.) however, i want to get used to instantley flashing a smile when i make eye contact with any decent looking girl in the hallway.This is an excellent goal. Having a great smile makes an excellent first impression with the girl, and defintely puts you on a head start

Special note: I can definitely see an improvement with you man. As long as you continue the dedication, practice, and hard work, you will very quickly become an experienced DJ. Keep it up!

 

[BongDuy]

Date with Lee

After spending most of my morning and early afternoon helping out my school, i came home around 2. I called up Lee and told her to be ready at 2:30. I shower and get ready, and then i get a call around 2:29 ish ( i haven't left my house yet )
she basically asks if its alright if she brings her friend with her as well, since they're also a foreign exchange student. I thought about just totally saying " on second thought, i have plans. i can't go" but i didn't. Instead, i told her it was alright, without finding out whether or not her friend was a male/female.

Lee's friend was a girl. She seem to be an intellectual type ( aka nerdy, but i dont want to judge) she loved to talk. I could always count on her to break a moment of silence with us with a question of some sort. She always had something to say, so i just kinda nodded, and pretended to listen while i would look at lee, and occasionally at her. ( i dont remember her name, but it she is from the south side of Iraq) She was def not a **** blocker, but she def liked to talk, talk, talk.

When i drove to her adress, i waited outside of her house, unsure whether or not i had the right house. after what felt like 10 minutes, i get a call from her. it turns out she gave me the wrong adress ( she's only been in the States for a month) Instead we met at a library, about 30 seconds away.

We went to the mall. At this point, i had kino'd her little by little at first. when i would enter a store, i would wrap my arm around her shoulder, and say " let's go in here". for the most part, every time i touched her, it was for never longer than a second. it was a short brush on the shoulder. We also talked about getting her ear pierced, in which i got to kino her face a bit, which was different because i was never used to doing it. Went to the Disney store, and immediately, i noticed the two friends broke apart.
Her friend went one way, and she went another. little kino here and there, laughing and joking. I noticed she gave me a huge IOI when she playfully slapped my arm while she was laughing. I teased her a lot, because i tried to get her to name all of the Disney character dolls in the store. She seemed to really love it! when she would walk away, or get a random phone call (happen once, it was a wrong number) i would walk to her friend and just get some bull**** talk through.

We ended up going to the movies, and seeing Cloudy with a slight chance of meatball in 3d. I need to remind myself to bring more money, because i only brought 10$ and ended up spending it all. When we first got in the theatre, i saw how packed it was. Lee was the first to sit down, and luckily her friend let me slide in so i could sit next to Lee. If not, i may of not had a chance to sit next to her.While we watched the movie i noticed her arms were crossed. at first, i thought maybe she was showing me negative body language, but then i realized, i was doing the same! this was because i was freezing cold, so i just looked at her and said " hey, are you cold?" and she replied " yeah" so i put my arm around her. At first it was a bit awkward, because i had to work my arm around her ( her back was upright, against the seat) but once she knew what i was trying to do, she started to adjust so it was a bit comfy for me. However, because of the seats, my arm started to hurt after like 10 minutes. I broke off the arm over shoulder thing and just went back to sitting. *NOTE* i noticed that when my arm was around her, she seemed to put her hand on her face a bit, not sure if she was adjusting her 3d glasses, or putting her hand against her cheek, but it just ran through my mind

We ended up going to a pizza place to get some food for Lee. her friend was fasting ( shes muslim) and i just wasn't hungry, so she ate pizza and her friend just kept talking about random stuff to me. i tried to make good use of what ive been learning about the art of conversation with lee, and instead of asking questions like " are you afraid of anything?" i made statements like " you seem like someone who would be afraid of bugs" and such. it worked out pretty well, i was trying to establish some comfort, and it seemed to be going well. long story short, we spent an hour just waiting on lee to eat, while we took pictures, and shuffled through them. small kino going on ( me holding her hand when she shuffled through her camera) then we left.

When i drove them home, i took them to their place. i walked them in, and to my surprise, none of their adopting parents were home, so they invited me in. they shared the same room, and Lee pretty much spent most of her time, standing up and cleaning. her friend seemed to be undressing me with her eyes, so i felt a little creeped out. maybe thats why 10 minutes in, i told them i had to go. they walked me out and thanked me for a good time. i noticed that when i hugged Lee, she seemed a bit weird. maybe in Korea they aren't used to that much kino? maybe i didn't escalate well? her friend seemed fine with me hugging her though. I ended up with lots of kino, but no kiss :/

I made a lot of of timebridges, like how one day we would all go to the beach or play volleyball sometime soon.

im about to call Brenda and see what time to come over tomorrow.

EDIT: I called her around 10:00 pm and she was in the middle of having a convo with her friend. she mentions how there may be a party tonight, and she asked if i wanted to tag along. obviously, you guys know my answer she kept talking to her friend while i was on the phone, and i was just sitting there like " uhh..." ( is that afc? to sit on the phone and wait for her to talk to you, while she talks to her friend?) then she starts talking about how the dress makes her look fat and make her boobs look big. then she said " duy, ill call you back tonight if i go." she also mentions that she may go to the beach and she asked me if i would like to go. i said " we'll see".

Some weird things i noticed

When the three of us were walking, i noticed that i was either infront of the two, leaving me to turn to face them and walk sideways, or i was behind. is it just me? how should i deal with this in the future?

 

[BongDuy]

9.21.09

So my view on the whole DJ has suddenly taken a 360 turn. I dont know why i just realized it, but instead of looking at my senior year as " get laid as much as possible", it has changed to " become more outgoing, friendly, social, and fun loving ". After chasing girls and kinda hitting a roadblock, ive come to realize that i should improve myself a lot more, so im spending quite some time just working on my inner game and fighting my demons. ( Thanks Ben for the talk) and thank you everyone ( including you eaglez )

The way i see it is instead of approaching girls for a number close, I see it as getting to know them, and make a deeper connection. I've been reading a lot more on "Natural" game and its just basically becoming an overall more social person.

I will still update my FR with my current situtation with girls i like though. Idk haha, i guess i will still update this, but i just thought it would be a good idea to just throw it out there.


Brenda
So she never called me sunday. I was really bummed out but more disappointed because that was her second strike, and now its officially time to next. for sure. no excuses. When i went to school in the morning, I didn't stop by her bench like i usually would. However, I saw her in the morning anyways, and I ended up talking to her
Me: thanks for inviting me over this weekend. you know, sunday.
her: ohhh i forgot! im so sorry! I went to church and when i got home i just passed out! i did forget about you
me: well thats fine. im still mad at you * said in a playful joking tone? yeah not the best idea, but i ended up doing it anyways*
her: no you're not!
me: thats why im not walking you to class ( and i walked away)

okay probably not the smoothest thing, but i dont plan to initiate with her unless she approaches me.

Dennis
So idk why but i've taken a huge notice of that girl on the swim team, the very shy girl. For some reason today, her smile stood out and it just made me want to ask her out. however, i didn't get a chance to. I plan to talk to her during school when i see her, not at swim practice because we never have a chance to really connect. the only problem is she is really shy, or atleast she is very quite, so it could be hard for me to get her to open up. then again, maybe all my reading on conversations may finally pay off.



Other than the girls, today i pretty much talked to a few of people who i've "known" but never knew well. They're def not the coolest kids in the school, but i thought i'd practice just talking to them and getting used to starting a cold random conversation, and get used to it.

Current Improvement List.
Eye Contact
Figity movements ( tapping foot, flicking fingers, etc)
Keeping a convo flowing
Kinoing EVERYONE ( men + women, in a friendly manner to get used to it )
Connecting deeper with people by cutting through small bvllsh1t talk.
working on keeping an open figure while sitting/ standing ( not crossing arms)

 

[eaglez1177]

No problem, im just here to help!

We went to the mall. At this point, i had kino'd her little by little at first. when i would enter a store, i would wrap my arm around her shoulder, and say " let's go in here".Good! for the most part, every time i touched her, it was for never longer than a second. it was a short brush on the shoulder.I would try to make your kino last a little bit longer, if its that short she may not even notice it at all lol. We also talked about getting her ear pierced, in which i got to kino her face a bit, which was different because i was never used to doing it. Went to the Disney store, and immediately, i noticed the two friends broke apart.
Her friend went one way, and she went another. little kino here and there, laughing and joking. I noticed she gave me a huge IOI when she playfully slapped my arm while she was laughing. I teased her a lot, because i tried to get her to name all of the Disney character dolls in the store. She seemed to really love it! when she would walk away, or get a random phone call (happen once, it was a wrong number) i would walk to her friend and just get some bull**** talk through.

We ended up going to the movies, and seeing Cloudy with a slight chance of meatball in 3d. I need to remind myself to bring more money, because i only brought 10$ and ended up spending it all. When we first got in the theatre, i saw how packed it was. Lee was the first to sit down, and luckily her friend let me slide in so i could sit next to Lee. If not, i may of not had a chance to sit next to her.While we watched the movie i noticed her arms were crossed. at first, i thought maybe she was showing me negative body language, but then i realized, i was doing the same! this was because i was freezing cold, so i just looked at her and said " hey, are you cold?" and she replied " yeah" so i put my arm around her. At first it was a bit awkward, because i had to work my arm around her ( her back was upright, against the seat) but once she knew what i was trying to do, she started to adjust so it was a bit comfy for me.You dont have to actually wrap your arm around her upper back, if you feel like your really squeezing your arm in there, just put it up top across the very very top of her back by her neck, and then put your hand on the top of her shoulder and bring her in to you However, because of the seats, my arm started to hurt after like 10 minutes. I broke off the arm over shoulder thing and just went back to sitting. *NOTE* i noticed that when my arm was around her, she seemed to put her hand on her face a bit, not sure if she was adjusting her 3d glasses, or putting her hand against her cheek, but it just ran through my mind? Thats kinda weird. not sure why she would be putting her hand on her face lol

We ended up going to a pizza place to get some food for Lee.No hookup in the movie? her friend was fasting ( shes muslim) and i just wasn't hungry, so she ate pizza and her friend just kept talking about random stuff to me. i tried to make good use of what ive been learning about the art of conversation with lee, and instead of asking questions like " are you afraid of anything?" i made statements like " you seem like someone who would be afraid of bugs" and such. it worked out pretty well, i was trying to establish some comfort, and it seemed to be going well.Good to see your applying things from here! long story short, we spent an hour just waiting on lee to eat, while we took pictures, and shuffled through them. small kino going on ( me holding her hand when she shuffled through her camera) then we left.

When i drove them home, i took them to their place. i walked them in, and to my surprise, none of their adopting parents were home, so they invited me in.3some?:crazy: they shared the same room, and Lee pretty much spent most of her time, standing up and cleaning. her friend seemed to be undressing me with her eyes, so i felt a little creeped out. maybe thats why 10 minutes in, i told them i had to go. they walked me out and thanked me for a good time. i noticed that when i hugged Lee, she seemed a bit weird.How was she weird? maybe in Korea they aren't used to that much kino?Lol no maybe i didn't escalate well? her friend seemed fine with me hugging her though. I ended up with lots of kino, but no kiss :/

I made a lot of of timebridges, like how one day we would all go to the beach or play volleyball sometime soon.

im about to call Brenda and see what time to come over tomorrow.

EDIT: I called her around 10:00 pm and she was in the middle of having a convo with her friend. she mentions how there may be a party tonight, and she asked if i wanted to tag along. obviously, you guys know my answer she kept talking to her friend while i was on the phone, and i was just sitting there like " uhh..." ( is that afc? to sit on the phone and wait for her to talk to you, while she talks to her friend?)Kinda. If you felt like you were just sitting there saying while she was talking to her friend, you shouldve just interrupted her and just said "Hey look brenda I gotta go now...let me know if your going to that party tonite". then she starts talking about how the dress makes her look fat and make her boobs look big. then she said " duy, ill call you back tonight if i go." she also mentions that she may go to the beach and she asked me if i would like to go. i said " we'll see".

Some weird things i noticed

When the three of us were walking, i noticed that i was either infront of the two, leaving me to turn to face them and walk sideways, or i was behind. is it just me? how should i deal with this in the future?Initiate kino so that your right next to your target, and have your arm around her or hold her hand. That would be best, but the only other thing I can think of to separate the two would be to try distracting them to you so that your target has to come next to you or her friend has to move. Maybe you could stop walking for a second and say "Hey guys wait up this [watever ur lookin at] is pretty cool." Hopefully then your target or her friend would come up next to you and look at it. Once your done with the distraction, be sure that you dont get left behind and that you stay next to your target.

9.21.09

Brenda
So she never called me sunday. I was really bummed out but more disappointed because that was her second strike, and now its officially time to next. for sure. no excuses. When i went to school in the morning, I didn't stop by her bench like i usually would. However, I saw her in the morning anyways, and I ended up talking to her
Me: thanks for inviting me over this weekend. you know, sunday.Bad idea doing this, it shows that your weak and that you cant be a bigger man and just walk away from her.
her: ohhh i forgot! im so sorry! I went to church and when i got home i just passed out! i did forget about youLol such bs
me: well thats fine. im still mad at you * said in a playful joking tone?I wouldnt have said this either, even if your saying it in a playful tone or not, it still shows that your hurt by brenda flaking on you yeah not the best idea, but i ended up doing it anyways*
her: no you're not!
me: thats why im not walking you to class ( and i walked away) Wouldnt have said this either. This is just you trying to get back at her, and she probably realizes the same thing. If your gonna next a girl, dont whine to her the next day about why she didnt call you. Just let it go, and move on.

okay probably not the smoothest thing, but i dont plan to initiate with her unless she approaches me.Why even attempt to initiate anything with her? If you've completely nexted her, then theres no need to try being desperate and start initiating things again

Dennis
So idk why but i've taken a huge notice of that girl on the swim team, the very shy girl. For some reason today, her smile stood out and it just made me want to ask her out. however, i didn't get a chance to. I plan to talk to her during school when i see her, not at swim practice because we never have a chance to really connect. the only problem is she is really shy, or atleast she is very quite, so it could be hard for me to get her to open up. then again, maybe all my reading on conversations may finally pay off.Good luck!



Other than the girls, today i pretty much talked to a few of people who i've "known" but never knew well. They're def not the coolest kids in the school, but i thought i'd practice just talking to them and getting used to starting a cold random conversation, and get used to it.Good

Current Improvement List.
Eye Contact
Figity movements ( tapping foot, flicking fingers, etc)Good idea on idea on this one. Fidgety movements tell a girl that your nervous and dont have much confidence.
Keeping a convo flowing
Kinoing EVERYONE ( men + women, in a friendly manner to get used to it )
Connecting deeper with people by cutting through small bvllsh1t talk.Good
working on keeping an open figure while sitting/ standing ( not crossing arms)

 

[TheEnergizer]

Flavia? lol thats an ancient roman name. wierd. is she italian?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flavia_(name)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flavius

also ive been reading thru, youve been making great progress keep it up man. definitely get used to the smile thing. eventually it will just be an instant almost involuntary action for whenever you make eye contact with a girl in the hall ways. this is amazing because it puts you in a good mood because youre smiling at people (how can you not be happy if youre doing that?) and lets everyone else know that youre in a bright cheery focused and confident mood. plus how hard can it be, seeing a cute chick automatically makes me smile inside anyway lol.

 

[BongDuy]

9.22.09

So went to school today, saw christina and juan. just said hi to them. to cut things short, nothing interesting happend until 2nd period, in my physics class. It started off normal, but we had a substitute. everyone was just chillin and i was talking to this girl nicole. She isnt my cup of tea ( my friend Tim says shes cute, but i dont really think so) and i feel like she is very interested in me. She kinos the **** out of me, i dont even have to try. its crazy, it makes me feel like i have her eating out the palm of my hands. I pull away, she instantly grabs me back ( literally) One thing i notice about this girl is that she Kino's very naturally. If i wasn't overly flooded with the thoughts of kino, i probably wouldn't have noticed. She touched my legs, inner thighs, arms, and shoulder. I want to become just like her, kino wise. For those of you who are curious, i dont find her very appealing at all ( personally id rate her as a 5). she also doesn't have a number( phone ) so i can't just get a little foreplay.


EDIT: Also, tomorrow i have a swim meet against some schools known for having beautiful girls. The reason why i mention this is because during a swim meet, most of the swimmers are huddled together under a tent, and don't really lurk away unless they're about to race. I was just curious, does anyone have any ideas to open to them? I mean, it would be really weird if i just walked up to a group of, oh say, 15 of them and started to talk to them.

I was thinking of using these openers, just to get the convo flowing.
"Hey, you have a really great vibe about you, and i just had to come over to say hi" - Mehow
"Hey what school are you guys from?" (if their suits dont say their school names of course )
or maybe just a simple "Hi" will do, followed by a random question about their school. Idk maybe i'm over thinking this

 

[eaglez1177]

Time to digest

9.22.09

I want to become just like her, kino wise. For those of you who are curious, i dont find her very appealing at all ( personally id rate her as a 5). she also doesn't have a number( phone ) so i can't just get a little foreplay.If you wanna be like her kino wise, then kino her back! Dont simply sit there and admire her kino. This can be an EXCELLENT opportunity forn you to really work on your kino and practice on this chick


EDIT: Also, tomorrow i have a swim meet against some schools known for having beautiful girls. The reason why i mention this is because during a swim meet, most of the swimmers are huddled together under a tent, and don't really lurk away unless they're about to race. I was just curious, does anyone have any ideas to open to them? I mean, it would be really weird if i just walked up to a group of, oh say, 15 of them and started to talk to them. Hmm, that is kinda tough. Rather than have to deal with the pressure of 15 girls staring at you, I would try to walk by their group or something and then just make eye contact with one of them and smile and say hello. Then, once they say something back, slowly walk over to them and get into a convo. All of the other swimmers that are around that chick wont notice whats going on as nearly as much as if you went up on a cold approach.

I was thinking of using these openers, just to get the convo flowing.
"Hey, you have a really great vibe about you, and i just had to come over to say hi" - Mehow
"Hey what school are you guys from?" (if their suits dont say their school names of course )
or maybe just a simple "Hi" will do, followed by a random question about their school. Idk maybe i'm over thinking this

 

[BongDuy]

9.23.09

Brenda
Okay before you go "* sigh* again with this girl?" i didn't really approach her directly. She was with Christina and my good friend EJ in the hallway and i saw my buddy george already with them, so i approached Christina with a warm hug and a handshake with my buddy Ej. I look at her and simply say " Hi " and she turns her face so her cheek is turned to me, like she wants a kiss ( on the cheek ). I give her a " No no" look and then turn my cheek to her, and she leans forward to give me a peck on the cheek. after that i pretty much said " goodbye" to everyone and walked off with my buddy George to Gym.

Missed opportunity
So during lunch i was sitting inside a concession stand selling homecomming tickets, and i see this cute girl by herself. bam, next thing i know im about to approach her. When i get outside of the concession stand, shes talking to my friend ricky and Ping. I basically go up to ping and start some small talk about our friend scot, moving away. then ricky starts talking
Ricky: damn, look at your shoes compared to pings
* they had the same shoes, but different sizes*
at this point i immediately start thinking of a hook, and im basically either over thinking at this point of ways to say something to her or just being stupid shy.
Ricky : you've got tiny feet!
* damn i totally was gunna say that*
I ended up missing an opperunity because i over thought about just saying something so simple. then the bell rang and we all left. meh.

A very interesting comment
So im out by the buses talking to my friend Chloe ( shes a girl who is just a friend. very honest and i can always rely on her opinion/advice ) and a girl named Turner. I've known these two for a while ( going back to early highschool). Chloe is like a bro of mine, and Turner is probably like a 7, but shes just not my type. she is a white girl who is pretty ghetto, but very fun to be around. anyways, So im talking to Chloe and cheesing this huge smile, just laughing and having a good time and all of a sudden Turner says " I love your smile!". I look at her and ask " Oh yeah? what do you like about it?" and she says " i dont know, it just has a very flirty feeling to it"

So i take that as a very good progress report

Approaches during the swim meet
To be honest, i didn't make any. I was too focused on swimming, and the other team was packed together, either getting ready to race, swimming in the pool, or lounging around their parents/ or groups of 6+ people. Am i making an excuse? Maybe. but when the swimming meet was at an end, i was just way to tired to talk to anyone. I barley stayed awake on the ride home, just talked to my coach about College and hes set me towards the path of going to FSU or UF. Just an interesting update that got me thinking of the future and how insignificant highschool is compared to college.

 

[eaglez1177]

Your improving with that smile!

9.23.09

Brenda
Okay before you go "* sigh* again with this girl?" i didn't really approach her directly. She was with Christina and my good friend EJ in the hallway and i saw my buddy george already with them, so i approached Christina with a warm hug and a handshake with my buddy Ej. I look at her and simply say " Hi " and she turns her face so her cheek is turned to me, like she wants a kiss ( on the cheek ). I give her a " No no" look and then turn my cheek to her, and she leans forward to give me a peck on the cheek.Ugh come on man. Thats just as bad as giving her one. You let this chick, who has been completely confusing you and messin around with your head, just give you a kiss on the cheek? Not only is that mad gay in my opinion, but I wouldve just told her that she has to "work for the kiss, and not one on the cheek", or something along the lines of that. after that i pretty much said " goodbye" to everyone and walked off with my buddy George to Gym.

Missed opportunity
So during lunch i was sitting inside a concession stand selling homecomming tickets, and i see this cute girl by herself. bam, next thing i know im about to approach her. When i get outside of the concession stand, shes talking to my friend ricky and Ping. I basically go up to ping and start some small talk about our friend scot, moving away. then ricky starts talking
Ricky: damn, look at your shoes compared to pings
* they had the same shoes, but different sizes*
at this point i immediately start thinking of a hook, and im basically either over thinking at this point of ways to say something to her or just being stupid shy.
Ricky : you've got tiny feet!
* damn i totally was gunna say that*
I ended up missing an opperunity because i over thought about just saying something so simple. then the bell rang and we all left. meh. Yea you definitely did over think it. Too much thoughts were running through your head all at once. Instead of trying to think of something to say, you have to learn to be more natural and just speak your game as soon as it comes to your mind, rather than have to go through the process of thinking up some good game in your head and then saying it.

A very interesting comment
So im out by the buses talking to my friend Chloe ( shes a girl who is just a friend. very honest and i can always rely on her opinion/advice ) and a girl named Turner. I've known these two for a while ( going back to early highschool). Chloe is like a bro of mine, and Turner is probably like a 7, but shes just not my type. she is a white girl who is pretty ghetto, but very fun to be around. anyways, So im talking to Chloe and cheesing this huge smile, just laughing and having a good time and all of a sudden Turner says " I love your smile!". I look at her and ask " Oh yeah? what do you like about it?" and she says " i dont know, it just has a very flirty feeling to it"Thats great to hear! Should be a nice confidence booster. Looks like that work on your smile really is paying off!

So i take that as a very good progress report

Approaches during the swim meet
To be honest, i didn't make any. I was too focused on swimming, and the other team was packed together, either getting ready to race, swimming in the pool, or lounging around their parents/ or groups of 6+ people. Am i making an excuse? YesMaybe. but when the swimming meet was at an end, i was just way to tired to talk to anyone. I barley stayed awake on the ride home, just talked to my coach about College and hes set me towards the path of going to FSU or UF. Just an interesting update that got me thinking of the future and how insignificant highschool is compared to college.

 

[BongDuy]

Well what should I do after I tell her to work for it? She will probably ask " What do you have in mind?" and what should i say? Should i take that time to attempt to make another date? For exmample :
me: work for the kiss.
her: what do you have in mind?
me: we'll find out friday, when we hang out.

Something similiar?

Also i forgot to mention i got a number close, but thats not a big deal. Just some girl in my Pre cal class who i met and apparently lives near me, so i simply said " we're hanging out" and handed her my phone for her to add her number to.

 

[BongDuy]

9.24.09


So today I had the worst outbreak in my cold sore. I just felt so conscious about it, like i couldn't hold eye contact with any girls without feeling crappy. It was terrible. I even had some people come out and point it out as herpes. eughhh...


Morning
So i did my usual thing, greeted all my friends or anyone familiar with a highfive(guys) or a hug (girls). Just trying to work that " Social Proof" i keep reading about. I ate breakfast and walked off around. I noticed that the bench where christina and brenda usually sat at only had Christina. I went up to her and just started some small chat. then brenda came in, looking like crap ( tired/depressed type of look ) not sure why, but i didn't want to find out and end up becoming her "emotional tampon", as you guys call it. She looked at me and gave me a weak "Hi" and i just said " Hey brenda", then pretty much ignored her while i talked to christina for a bit. I was going to sit down next to christina, but i didn't want to be around brenda anymore, and do anything stupid so i simply said " later guys" and walked off.

Didn't really interact with anyone because i felt that terrible about my cold sores. It wasn't even ready for popping, so i just had to leave it alone.

Other than that, here are some text messages i got with two girls. Lee and the girl rawshni ( shes an indian girl )

Rawshni
me hey did you do the pre cal homework?
her i did some of it. but the rest i have no idea how to do
me how about we meet up and try to do it together
her right now or in the morning in school?
me as in today
her i cant come. my mom wont let me mainly cuz of your sex lol
me tell her im a homosexual hahaha
her lol yeah cuz she'll fall for that one. i guess i shouldve mentioned that when you asked for my number :/
me i always knew you were a goody good
her lol what made you think i wasn't? im the most goody goodest your ever gonna meet
me i bet you're a daddy's girl too, huh?
her ......

* 5 minute break or something, she re initiates with another text*
her your going to the carwash this sat?
me for nhs? yeah like in the afternoon
her nice me too

Lee
* interesting thing that happen*
So After that little "date" with her and her close friend, i thought Lee was totally creeped out by me. when i would see her in breakfast, she would just show me a smile ( not sure if it was fake or not ) and wave at me, then continue walking past instead of sitting next to me, with her friend. However, after the meet yesterday, she texted me at night, basically just sparking a convo with me. I think maybe seeing how hard i swim maybe turned her on? lol just keeding.

her today no practice right?
me right
her what are you doing
me lol why do you want to know?
her haha im a little bored so
me well maybe me and you should hang out then

* I purposely said me and you so she would hopefully get the hint and not bring her friend along this time. I also came to realize that i look ugly as fuuuu w/ the cold sores, so i cancelled. I felt that if i didn't feel comfortable with her, it would only draw me back because i wouldn't feel right making a move or even looking her in the eyes.*

her okay but where
me well actually i cant hang out today. tomorrow looks better
her oh tomorrow i cant
me aww. well we'll see, maybe the weekend.
her oh i see now im going to swim
me ( i didn't reply, but that last text message made me pretty confused lol)

 

[eaglez1177]

Well what should I do after I tell her to work for it? She will probably ask " What do you have in mind?" and what should i say? Should i take that time to attempt to make another date? For exmample :
me: work for the kiss.Obviously you wont say it exactly as you typed it here lol
her: what do you have in mind?
me: we'll find out friday, when we hang out.

Something similiar? Sounds good to me. You could also reply to her question by smiling and saying "Use your imagination...i'll see ya this weekend"

Also i forgot to mention i got a number close, but thats not a big deal. Just some girl in my Pre cal class who i met and apparently lives near me, so i simply said " we're hanging out" and handed her my phone for her to add her number to.

9.24.09


So today I had the worst outbreak in my cold sore. I just felt so conscious about it, like i couldn't hold eye contact with any girls without feeling crappy. It was terrible. I even had some people come out and point it out as herpes. eughhh...Are you referring to acne? If so, theres a bunch of actions you can take to fix the problem. I had some bad acne as a freshman, but I went on BenzaClin every morning and Ziana every night and all my acne was gone within about a month.


Morning
So i did my usual thing, greeted all my friends or anyone familiar with a highfive(guys) or a hug (girls). Just trying to work that " Social Proof" i keep reading about. Nice!I ate breakfast and walked off around. I noticed that the bench where christina and brenda usually sat at only had Christina. I went up to her and just started some small chat. then brenda came in, looking like crap ( tired/depressed type of look ) not sure why, but i didn't want to find out and end up becoming her "emotional tampon", as you guys call it.Good move She looked at me and gave me a weak "Hi" and i just said " Hey brenda", then pretty much ignored her while i talked to christina for a bit. I was going to sit down next to christina, but i didn't want to be around brenda anymore, and do anything stupid so i simply said " later guys" and walked off.Good decision

Didn't really interact with anyone because i felt that terrible about my cold sores. It wasn't even ready for popping, so i just had to leave it alone.
Thats undestandable. I totally know how you feel. The best thing to do imo is this: if you have a bad feelin you have some pimples or sores one morning or have had them and know theyre gonna be on ur face for a few days, when you wake up in the morning, look into the mirror with the lights in the bathroom OFF. You should still be able to brush your teeth and fix your hair, and you can take a brief look at your face, but the fact that the lights are off will not make the acne look as nearly as bad to you when the lights are fully on(trust me it wont bring down your confidence as nearly as bad with the lights on). Then, when your all done with ur teeth and hair, just go off to school as you normally would and avoid looking into the bathroom mirrors at school cuz that will just further bring down your confidence for the day. THe key is to convince yourself this: "Oh im lookin in the mirror now and it really doesnt look that bad. Not a huge deal" (obviously the lights are off/heavily dimmed)
Other than that, here are some text messages i got with two girls. Lee and the girl rawshni ( shes an indian girl )

RawshniWeird ass name
me hey did you do the pre cal homework?
her i did some of it. but the rest i have no idea how to do
me how about we meet up and try to do it together
her right now or in the morning in school?
me as in today
her i cant come. my mom wont let me mainly cuz of your sex lolwtf
me tell her im a homosexual hahaha
her lol yeah cuz she'll fall for that one. i guess i shouldve mentioned that when you asked for my number :/
me i always knew you were a goody good
her lol what made you think i wasn't? im the most goody goodest your ever gonna meet
me i bet you're a daddy's girl too, huh?
her ......

* 5 minute break or something, she re initiates with another text*
her your going to the carwash this sat?
me for nhs? yeah like in the afternoon
her nice me tooGood, looks like your game paid off and she found a way to make time for you

Lee
* interesting thing that happen*
So After that little "date" with her and her close friend, i thought Lee was totally creeped out by me. when i would see her in breakfast, she would just show me a smile ( not sure if it was fake or not ) and wave at me, then continue walking past instead of sitting next to me, with her friend. However, after the meet yesterday, she texted me at night, basically just sparking a convo with me. I think maybe seeing how hard i swim maybe turned her on? lol just keeding.

her today no practice right?
me right
her what are you doing
me lol why do you want to know?
her haha im a little bored so
me well maybe me and you should hang out then

* I purposely said me and you so she would hopefully get the hint and not bring her friend along this time. I also came to realize that i look ugly as fuuuu w/ the cold sores, so i cancelled. I felt that if i didn't feel comfortable with her, it would only draw me back because i wouldn't feel right making a move or even looking her in the eyes.*I think you made a good decision here. If you feel that the sores are gonna bring down your confidence, game, and sexuality (which is a completely normal effect), then I wouldve def cancelled too.

her okay but where
me well actually i cant hang out today. tomorrow looks better
her oh tomorrow i cant
me aww. well we'll see, maybe the weekend.
her oh i see now im going to swim
me ( i didn't reply, but that last text message made me pretty confused lol)

Go to the doctor and get those sores checked out. Last thing you need is something thats very fixable to bring your game down.

 

[BongDuy]

9.25.09

Today was an alright day. I had a few missed opportunities for cold approaches but i feel like im overaly improving as a person in general.

Morning
Walking out of my bus and i noticed Christina walking by herself. I kinda go up to her a nudge her, and begin some small talk. we walk and head to the bench she usually sits at. Out of the corner of my eye i see brenda, and she puts her stuff down across from christina, and comes up and hugs me from the side, in which i show no response to. Then she kisses me on the cheek unexpectedly and i probably gave her a negative reaction, because i leaned back and just kinda had an "ewww" face. then she said " aww hes soooo adorable" I didn't say anything to her really, except "Hi" I pretty much had my back to her and was facing christina. I left very soon after the hug and went to go eat breakfast.

When I go and eat breakfast, i should probably hang around some familiar faces and begin talking to them. I sit with some friends of mine but they have their ipods on and they are in their own world.

Things i noticed
I sat with my friend george, summer, and Randi ( summer's best friend ). It seemed like they had a new attitude to me, or maybe it was because instead of being closed and just talking to george, i was interacting with all of them. I smiled plenty, and had them laughing and agreeing with me, basically on just the teachers and all that fluff. I noticed that i suddenly was able to make witty comments at their remarks.

For example, during my AP government class, i gave summer a back massage while she was doing her work. she kinda playfully told me to stop, and she hugged me right after she finished her work, but my friend george kept making these crazy noises like " wooo!!! go duy!" and i just can't help but laugh at my friend.anyways....

In 5th period, we are talking with her friends and shes like " i didn't ask duy for a backrub, i told him to stop"
and i immediately replied " yeah, you told me to stop because i was so good at doing it, and you couldn't focus on your work" and she was laughing and everyone else was cracking up. I also talked to summer
me"hey why dont we ever hang out?"
her " what are you talking about? i never see you"
me " im pretty sure ive called you in the past" ( i dont think i have to be honest lol)
her " uhmm def not!"
me " well we should hang out"

She then turns to ricky and starts saying things like " why dont you ever hang out with duy? I see you all the time, why not with duy?" ( ricky's a good friend of mine ) long story short, im hopefully expecting a call this weekend to hang out with them, since they party like crazy.



Just a question
-Avoidance
So remember Serena, that asian chick i failed a terrible kiss close with? well im just wondering, is there any good that can come from avoiding her? I mean, i see her in the hallways, but shes kinda out of reach, and im not a big fan of screaming " SERENAA!!!" . could there be any good to come out of "time" apart? maybe she will forget about the awkward attempt of a kiss close?

-Making fun of yourself
I was thinking of how i sometimes tease myself by saying thigns like,
"trust me im asian"
"you want this eggroll?"
" my people made those shoes!"
simple silly things like that. Will that somehow lower my value, or make me look foolish? I mean, for the most part it gets them laughing and humorous.

 

[eaglez1177]

Keep on improvin!

9.25.09

Today was an alright day. I had a few missed opportunities for cold approaches but i feel like im overaly improving as a person in general.

Morning
Walking out of my bus and i noticed Christina walking by herself. I kinda go up to her a nudge her, and begin some small talk. we walk and head to the bench she usually sits at. Out of the corner of my eye i see brenda, and she puts her stuff down across from christina, and comes up and hugs me from the side, in which i show no response to. Then she kisses me on the cheek unexpectedly and i probably gave her a negative reaction, because i leaned back and just kinda had an "ewww" face. then she said " aww hes soooo adorable"Consider it a good thing that girls think your cute. You can easily use this to your advantage, cuz playing the cute card generally works VERY well when tryin to get with chicks (at least from my experience) I didn't say anything to her really, except "Hi" I pretty much had my back to her and was facing christina. I left very soon after the hug and went to go eat breakfast.

When I go and eat breakfast, i should probably hang around some familiar faces and begin talking to them. I sit with some friends of mine but they have their ipods on and they are in their own world. Yea thats a good idea, get some conversation practice in

Things i noticed
I sat with my friend george, summer, and Randi ( summer's best friend ). It seemed like they had a new attitude to me, or maybe it was because instead of being closed and just talking to george, i was interacting with all of them.Good! I smiled plenty, and had them laughing and agreeing with me, basically on just the teachers and all that fluff. I noticed that i suddenly was able to make witty comments at their remarks.Nice job! Now you know why your having better conversation with them all? Because your more comfortable, your outta that shell you used to be in, and your overall attitude is much more positive

For example, during my AP government class, i gave summer a back massage while she was doing her work. she kinda playfully told me to stop, and she hugged me right after she finished her work, but my friend george kept making these crazy noises like " wooo!!! go duy!" and i just can't help but laugh at my friend.anyways....Seems like you play the massage kino very well. Nice job.

In 5th period, we are talking with her friends and shes like " i didn't ask duy for a backrub, i told him to stop"
and i immediately replied " yeah, you told me to stop because i was so good at doing it, and you couldn't focus on your work"Nice! and she was laughing and everyone else was cracking up. I also talked to summer
me"hey why dont we ever hang out?"
her " what are you talking about? i never see you"
me " im pretty sure ive called you in the past" ( i dont think i have to be honest lol)
her " uhmm def not!"
me " well we should hang out"

She then turns to ricky and starts saying things like " why dont you ever hang out with duy? I see you all the time, why not with duy?" ( ricky's a good friend of mine ) long story short, im hopefully expecting a call this weekend to hang out with them, since they party like crazy.Nice job! Just remember to not come across as needy and desperate for hangin out



Just a question
-Avoidance
So remember Serena, that asian chick i failed a terrible kiss close with? well im just wondering, is there any good that can come from avoiding her? I mean, i see her in the hallways, but shes kinda out of reach, and im not a big fan of screaming " SERENAA!!!" . could there be any good to come out of "time" apart? maybe she will forget about the awkward attempt of a kiss close?In my opinion, no, no theres no good that can come out of time apart. Having time apart, avoiding her, or ignoring her shows that your weak. It shows that you cant bounce back from a mistake, and that you let things like a failed kiss mess you up for good with a girl. Everyone is gonna make mistakes with chicks, its just how you bounce back from them and how you ACT and go about yourself AFTER the incident that girls are really paying attention to. Serena knows you messed up, and I bet right now as your avoiding her and trying to take time off, shes probably just thinking that your just another guy who lost his confidence to talk to her, and is emotionally affected by your mistake. Girls dont want this. They want to see a man that regardless of a mistake, a man that will still do his thing and still portray all of his good qualities, rather than slink away and be afraid to even interact with her.

-Making fun of yourself
I was thinking of how i sometimes tease myself by saying thigns like,
"trust me im asian"
"you want this eggroll?"
" my people made those shoes!"
simple silly things like that. Will that somehow lower my value, or make me look foolish? I mean, for the most part it gets them laughing and humorous.Dont do this. Although it does get people laughing, it does in fact lower your value and make you look foolish. Since your making fun of yourself, people assume that you have a lack of confidence, and not much of a self dignity, respect, or value.