Memorising lines for PRIMING dates.

[Luke Skywalker]

I'm trying to memorise a script for the Priming date, the book 'HOw to Succeed with Women' encourages memorising a few romantic questions or conversations and say them out. So far I have a few lines or paragraphs that have been memorized.

I think my mom is being a toxic influence by discouraging the whole idea of using canned lines in PRIMING dates by saying it sounds like I've learned lines and I'm reciting them or acting, as opposed to being natural, and the date is likely to pick that up.

I've been burned too many times on PRIMING dates or first dates, that I have decided to try something different, such as inject a few canned items into a natural discussion that will get the girl thinking either romantic or adventerous. I'm not a naturally relaxed person, and it's likely I'll come across as nervous or uptight, if I'm myself, or if I'm saying lines.

If my previous dates didn't go to hell the way they did by being myself, then I wouldn't think this is necessary, as I'm so pissed off that I find myself either having to try a new approach or give up, and I dont think she understands that. She believes in this chemistry and right person nonsence. I dont know.

I'll pull up my other thread and describe how the other target girl seduction fell apart to shreds. I'm sure people here used canned lines when they started and eventually got used to them.

The book, "how to Succeed with Women' does not advocate canned lines in flirting, but definately advocates some 'canned' lines on the PRIMING date, and is very strict with it. I think my mom is toxic with her advice by saying I dont sound natural, and am seeking feedback here on how canned lines work on dates.

 

[Rocko]

wow man, nothing good can come of memorizing lines man. It will come off as unnatural and chances are, she will not answer the way she wants you to. I read your previous thread about your success with girls (lack of it). Even though it is good you are trying something new, your mom is right. PM if you want, I may be young, but I have some experience with women, please tell me your story, I want to help you more

 

[rocky_mtn]

I think my mom is being a toxic influence by discouraging the whole idea of using canned lines in PRIMING dates by saying it sounds like I've learned lines and I'm reciting them or acting, as opposed to being natural, and the date is likely to pick that up.

Problem #1 - your mom is giving you advice on your pickup lines. If we all got advice on picking up women from our mothers, no one would get laid

Problem #2 - you are using canned lines.


suggestion: read Leil Lowndes - How to Talk to Anyone
great advice and tips for striking up convos with strangers and making them feel like they are old friends

 

[Luke Skywalker]

According to the book 'How to Succeed with Women', a priming date is not a time to socialise, or just hang out and talk - otherwise you risk being put into a friend category. You deliberately have to put in some romantic/adventurous 'injections' if you want to call it that. Those include a few things, and importantly incorporating romantic conversations, by asking romantic questions.

To have polished questions, rather than asking a romantic question out of the blue, you have an excuse, description and question - and the book gives like 8 different canned lines consisting in that order to use.

However, according to this book, YOU HAVE TO SAY SOMETHING to turn the conversation romantic and to express romantic interest. If this cant be done naturally, then you have canned lines. My mom did suggest to try to get the 'essence' of the romantic conversation, and try to paraphrase it in my own words - the book, however suggests one should memorise their lines word for word, and will simply get used to it the more it is practised out loud.

Has anyone read this book - How to Succeed with Women, by Ron Louis and David Copland? I bought it in 2003 for $ 20.00, now I'm taking it very seriously amid some nasty crash and burns.

 

[Call_Me_Daddy]

Problem #1 - your mom is giving you advice on your pickup lines. If we all got advice on picking up women from our mothers, no one would get laid

Problem #2 - you are using canned lines.


suggestion: read Leil Lowndes - How to Talk to Anyone
great advice and tips for striking up convos with strangers and making them feel like they are old friends

Problem #3 - he lives with his momma. Oh.. and he's 30.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Problem #3 - he lives with his momma. Oh.. and he's 30.

There are two dates coming up - I need a good game plan.

Now, this one girl likes going to the beech, she told me on the internet. That means I could take up up to a nice beach and see her semi-nude body if I really do good in that priming date, and who knows where that could go.

Now, how do I not f**k up a priming date - simple question.

 

[rocky_mtn]

:crackup:

wtf is a PRIMING date?

the pick up? or the the first date?

either way canned lines are BS, you will sound like you are repeating an encyplopedia.

The conversion is a skill. Its not what you say, its what she feels, and what she says and what you say will determine how she feels. Talk about her, her pets, her siblings, her favorite vacation spot, favorite sport, favorite icecream, etc.... But don't rattle off questions like you're on a game show. Make the converstions fit into your situation. Bring up a topic and then when she talks make her elborate on her topic. ex so you like soccer, let her talk, so you follow the world cup, her..blah..., whats your favorite team..... Just go with what she says.

Don't listen to your mom, and don't tell her how you game chicks. Theres no discussion between son and mom about picking up chicks.

anyways my $.02

 

[Luke Skywalker]

:crackup:

wtf is a PRIMING date?

the pick up? or the the first date?

It's the first date

either way canned lines are BS, you will sound like you are repeating an encyplopedia.

The conversion is a skill. Its not what you say, its what she feels, and what she says and what you say will determine how she feels. Talk about her, her pets, her siblings, her favorite vacation spot, favorite sport, favorite icecream, etc.... But don't rattle off questions like you're on a game show. Make the converstions fit into your situation. Bring up a topic and then when she talks make her elborate on her topic. ex so you like soccer, let her talk, so you follow the world cup, her..blah..., whats your favorite team..... Just go with what she says.

Don't listen to your mom, and don't tell her how you game chicks. Theres no discussion between son and mom about picking up chicks.

anyways my $.02

So, I should just have another CRASH AND BURN setup like the last date?
You think it's just the person, or do you think it's the game? I know you cant win with every girl, but you cant lose miserably all the time either.

Now, I could do a few things differently than I did on the last date - but seeing how bad the last date went without canned lines, I cant imagine a worst scenerio than incorporating them in, but that's just me. It's just a question of whether I want a C&B with canned lines, or a C&B without canned lines, it's crazy. Is another C&B inevitable here?

 

[rocky_mtn]

I missed what happened on your last date, so if you post a link I can get more info and try to give some constructive reply.


But don't worry about your crash and burn last date, she wasn't meant for you, and maybe you wern't meant for her, or maybe you need to work on your game.

Remember, you want to make her feel good and have fun. It may sound stupid, but when you meet with your relatives or aunt and uncle, they usually ask you bland yet personal questions. Like the things that I listed above. Ask her about things that everyone likes, amusement parks, live music, biking, swimming, the beach. And when you talk with about this stuff, keep relating it back to her, make mental notes because the is what will give you ideas for a second date. Don't change the topic if she is going on about something. Keep it going as long as it is comfortable. Keep it positive, if she talks about her last experience at the beach where her b/f got eaten by a shark then don't keep going with that, change the topic. Keep it light, but personal and fun.

Be relaxed. I just got a yoga dvd that I do every other day and close friends have notice that I am more relaxed and less tense. Keep up physical exercise. When you're with a women and walking into a restaurant or whatever, take a 2 second pause, look her in the eyes and smile and then continue with what you were doing. Put your hand on her back as she walks through the door. Imagine that you are Mr. Duan Freaking Juan himself.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

I missed what happened on your last date, so if you post a link I can get more info and try to give some constructive reply.


But don't worry about your crash and burn last date, she wasn't meant for you, and maybe you wern't meant for her, or maybe you need to work on your game.

Remember, you want to make her feel good and have fun. It may sound stupid, but when you meet with your relatives or aunt and uncle, they usually ask you bland yet personal questions. Like the things that I listed above. Ask her about things that everyone likes, amusement parks, live music, biking, swimming, the beach. And when you talk with about this stuff, keep relating it back to her, make mental notes because the is what will give you ideas for a second date. Don't change the topic if she is going on about something. Keep it going as long as it is comfortable. Keep it positive, if she talks about her last experience at the beach where her b/f got eaten by a shark then don't keep going with that, change the topic. Keep it light, but personal and fun.

Be relaxed. I just got a yoga dvd that I do every other day and close friends have notice that I am more relaxed and less tense. Keep up physical exercise. When you're with a women and walking into a restaurant or whatever, take a 2 second pause, look her in the eyes and smile and then continue with what you were doing. Put your hand on her back as she walks through the door. Imagine that you are Mr. Duan Freaking Juan himself.

Very well, I'm going to be myself on this date, romantic feelings or discourse will just occur 'naturally'. Humm...but I'd limit it to 75 minutes. I think I have a propensity to say things that are stupid, or seem strained or boring after a certain time period, so that for sure has to be changed. No sex talk or conversations this time.

Thanks for the 'touch' tips.

The last crash and burn thread is titled 'piggybacking on past experiences' and it's on the same page as here. It has an exotic crash and burn sequence where I 'accidentally' ask my date how many guys she slept with, and told her I put up an internet profile because I felt like it - and she got offended on that as well.

But on the same token, if I feel up to it, and am in the mood then I may throw in a canned question or two that I'm comfortable with, because it could be part of that flow too.

I'm surpised that experienced DJ's don't have a canned repetoir of lines for women in different occasions -- I would think that at the beginning, AFC -- rAFC that you would need to use some canned lines or something - well, guess I'm wrong then.

 

[rocky_mtn]

ok, I read your last C&B date thread

coupla rules (especially for first dates) :

- don't talk about past relationships, especially her past relationships.

- don't pay attention to any of her references to ex's. you are an aspiring DJ, you live in the present the past doesnt' matter. You want to know her today, not about all her past. If she keeps bringing it up, then she is psycho and not date material

- don't bring up anything negative, including breaking up with ex b/fs, your past problems, you criminal history, whatever.

keep an arsenal of questions but don't make them canned. if the train of convo goes silent, do the e/c - pause thing then ask her something sweet like does she get her good looks from her mother or father, its another personal question tied into a subtle compliment.

I have the same basic questions and lines that I use with all women that I meet, but I don't call them 'canned' because they are natural questions that are used as the situation presents itself. A canned question at an inappropriate time is a social blunder. But following their lead with an obvious question fits really well. An obvious fall back question is "what do you do" or other questions about work, but no one wants to talk about work, so get personal and ask about college, high school, sports, hobbies, or current events. Before you go out, read the newspaper or online news and find a couple of interesting news stories that aren't violent or disturbing, if the convo goes quiet bring it up and relate it to you and her. Better yet talk about your surroundings, how much fun you are having.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

The book says that even though you are practising these lines for the first time, on first set of dates, that there is no need to worry about it sounding artificial or canned - because it's all in the mind. The girl you are talking to, for the first time, doesn't know you, and may genuinely be unable to know the difference between a canned line to a non-canned line.

The book does say, if she says something like 'are you doing some wierd thing to seduce me?' then back off and say 'you like her and are interested in her and apologise if you are coming on too strong', and talk about a neutral subject for a while before returning.

My parents KNOW me since I was born, so obviously, my mom's going to know if I'm myself or artificial, but not a stranger I'm meeting off the internet, or even if I meet someone offline.

I keep this belief that the world knows me, but it's not true. I could put on an act, and people will think it's really me, because they dont know me. Isn't that what flirting and seducing is about anyway? There has to be an element of play and game involved.

 

[Xtravaganza]

The book does say, if she says something like 'are you doing some wierd thing to seduce me?' then back off and say 'you like her and are interested in her and apologise if you are coming on too strong', and talk about a neutral subject for a while before returning.

NEVER EVER apologize. You are a man, you want girls. There's nothing wrong with that.
I'll give you a couple exercises that'll improve your game ten fold:

1. Look at the trashcan in your room (if you have any).
2. Think you're in the NBA finals. 7th game. 5 seconds to go. You're losing 98-97. The ball is yours.
3. You can feel the people looking at you. You can hear their hearts pumping. You're gonna write history.
4. Just let that ball fly through the air in a perfect parable right to the basket. Feel it cut throw the net like a hot knife cuts through water.
5. You did it. Enjoy it pal :crazy:

Now. the second one is quite similar. But instead of throwing the ball in the basket, throw that book in the trashcan

 

[wordism]

NEVER EVER apologize. You are a man, you want girls. There's nothing wrong with that.
I'll give you a couple exercises that'll improve your game ten fold:

1. Look at the trashcan in your room (if you have any).
2. Think you're in the NBA finals. 7th game. 5 seconds to go. You're losing 98-97. The ball is yours.
3. You can feel the people looking at you. You can hear their hearts pumping. You're gonna write history.
4. Just let that ball fly through the air in a perfect parable right to the basket. Feel it cut throw the net like a hot knife cuts through water.
5. You did it. Enjoy it pal :crazy:

Now. the second one is quite similar. But instead of throwing the ball in the basket, throw that book in the trashcan

but the book says.. that it contains very valuable information that should never be thrown away under any circumstances :nono:

 

[Call_Me_Daddy]

There are two dates coming up - I need a good game plan.

Now, this one girl likes going to the beech, she told me on the internet. That means I could take up up to a nice beach and see her semi-nude body if I really do good in that priming date, and who knows where that could go.

Now, how do I not f**k up a priming date - simple question.

No. You don't need ANYTHING!

If you really want to make your date go better. Listen to Supreme's Podcasts. Just load them on your pod and listen. Its much better than DeAngelo's stuff. And if you understand what he is talking about and where he is coming from it makes a world of difference.

Oh and his affirmation exercises work. THEY WORK. I have been using some of his affirmations and made some of my own and its made a BIG DIFFERENCE.

Forget techniques and all that crap. Just be YOURSELF.

Not your Pansy ass self. Your TRUE MALE SELF.


Did I mention it was free? Just download the .mp3 extension and the podcasts work in any mp3 player.

 

[Call_Me_Daddy]

I just hope you take the advice above not as criticism but as just trying to help. I have tried some of the techniques but they felt fasle and calculated. It didnt work too well. Inner game works better for me.

If the techniqes arent going that well (you are a 30yo virgin because of them) try something else.

Just give a few podcasts a try. After all, what do you have to lose? It's completely free.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Podcast - first time I heard about this. Is there a link or address to down load them, or where do I find this?

 

[Ratisson]

throw that book in the trash. i used to have it, but i dont go by it anymore. I remember these lines, they are just cheesy and will sound so unnatural when u say them. The girl will see right through u when u do say them, so just dont say them. be urself, make her laugh and keep ur hands to urself, if u need to apply kino to her then wait for her to touch u first. Please just get rid of this book, if u need some relationship advice then get the system from Doc Love , because ur not gonna get any where by reading "How to succeed with women"

 

[Luke Skywalker]

throw that book in the trash. i used to have it, but i dont go by it anymore. I remember these lines, they are just cheesy and will sound so unnatural when u say them. The girl will see right through u when u do say them, so just dont say them. be urself, make her laugh and keep ur hands to urself, if u need to apply kino to her then wait for her to touch u first. Please just get rid of this book, if u need some relationship advice then get the system from Doc Love , because ur not gonna get any where by reading "How to succeed with women"

You have actually had a copy of this book before and know what I'm talking about? You have tried their 'priming' date stuff out? I mean, did you actually follow the advice of this book, tried it on a few PRIMING dates, and you didn't go anywhere? Or are you just ranting about the book - like allot of people can pick up a book, decide it's not for them, and toss it in the garbage without even trying it. Just want to make sure, because it seems a hard book to just dismiss, and given my crash and burn record, I have to try something radically different than being myself and boring my dates half to death and making 'accidental' offensive statements.

The rationale of those lines are simple, rather than ask a potentially personal romantic question out of the blue, on a conversation, you buffer it by having it into a format of excuse, description and question. If I were myself, then I may just be firing a question out of the blue which would seem more abrupt. Now, I know to skip the 'ex's part, or how many guys you slept with' stuff out -- but I still need to get something romatic into the date.

The ways it's sounding, maybe I better just keep it into themes that investigate what is romantic to the girl, what makes her feel special, if she believes in love at first sight, etc.. how her first kiss was like (but if I never kiss and she counter-asks me, I'll be stuck). The book goes into script of how to say these types of things so it would come across as polished, if I do it myself, then I'd just be firing off questions to get 'romantically personal'.

I'm not that much of a humours guy, I'm a bit on the analytical and serious side, and dont want to look like a patsy that's always making jokes either.

 

[rocky_mtn]

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The ways it's sounding, maybe I better just keep it into themes that investigate what is romantic to the girl, what makes her feel special, if she believes in love at first sight, etc.. how her first kiss was like (but if I never kiss and she counter-asks me, I'll be stuck).

You want to stay away from this angle, your paragraph is a C&B in itself. Don't talk about love or magic, don't say them as if you have practiced canned lines, avoid this method. The girl will probably pick this up and hate it. In fact if you aren't too experienced with romance and relationships, bringing this up, especially right away is a recipe for disaster.

Be yourself, get read about current events or a cool hobby like biking or sailing or what ever interests you. Avoid true guy things like video games or cars. Talk only about positive things.

If you haven't read the DJ Boot Camp, do that, it will get you going with some good advice and tips. From what you have said about the book you read, it doesn't sound like the route you should be taking.