TillTheEndOfTime said:
To anyone with the "dead horse" replies.
Game has been a "dead horse" for 20 years. It takes time and repetition to undue the PUA game seminar/book/CD/DVD brainwashing.
It is annoying, but so was all the focus on game not to long ago for 2 decades.
Balance is being restored in this period. Please have patience.
Meh... Never got into the PUA nonsense, or heavily involved in "deep" game. The problem with PUA is that they claim looks DON'T matter, which is false. You can't take a scronny, below average looking nerd, and transform him into a ladies' man who bangs hotties with "game". They know this, but they need a market to sell to. Who better to target than desperate, lonely, unattractive men, and tell them they can land hotties without looks, and using all this "round-about" crap as evidence? **** PUA.
But I do believe that game is required to KEEP someone attracted AFTER having looks to initiate their interest. So, it's both. But you don't necessarily have to be innately "hot" to pull it off.
Speaking from personal experience... I've had women go crazy ape**** in the beginning - then pretty much lose ALL interest shortly after. Yes, the looks attracted them initially, and was required; they were infatuated, wanted sex, etc. So, I got in the door easily, sex was offered, and I was even given multiple chances to stop being such a *****. But since I had no game AT ALL, and was a girly-needy-sissy ***** - I couldn't keep any of them. And they literally wanted nothing to do with me once they found out how weak, insecure, whiny, and chump-like I was. **** was bad.
And again, this went both ways. Hotties who showed too much interest, revealed too much too soon, acted like stereotypical "nice girls", etc, weren't as appealing as those who presented a challenge, displayed strong value, had lives, were confident and assertive, etc.
This ties into the thread we were having about not being able to maintain interest - after the initial offer. A "high class" girl will have high standards beyond looks, and want the best of the best (as she perceives it to be). So, a good looking guy with no game won't be lasting very long vs the same guy with it. Or even someone below their level in looks (but not dramatically so).
I've seen and hung out with decent looking guys who fared much better than me - after the initial peak of interest. They were more social, out-going, assertive, sexual, charming, "fun", and approached a LOT of women. They also had a much higher perceived value and better "status". And they had solid game. And they weren't stuck up *******s with rediculously high standards. They mingled with all sorts of women everywhere.
And again, there are varying degrees of looks, and everyone has different tastes and standards. Someone who's hot in the face is near the same level as a well-built "attractive" guy with a great appearance. Then add in all those other things, and it's pretty much the same.
Again, that's the whole point of all this. Not everyone is created equal, there's different levels people are on, some are better off than others, etc blah etc. One might have to work harder, but that doesn't mean they can't be just as successful as someone with innate good looks. I've seen it happen.
And honestly, relying solely on looks can work against you. You might become lazy, stuck up, entitled, think everything is in the bag, women will approach you, and put no effort into anything - only to find people losing interest left and right, viewing you as an egotistical, conceited *******, treating you poorly, not respecting you, only wanting sex, etc.
I've had several instances where eveything was "in the bag" initially - only to be criticized and rejected shortly afterwards. It was like they were complimenting the looks, but thrashing everything else - because its all I had. And it didn't work. This was happening literally at the same time.
No matter where you are - nothing is easy, and there's always room for improvement. And you gotta be at the top of your game, and put effort into making things happen. You can't just sit back, act like a stuck up *******, and expect everything to fall onto your lap.
This is also why you gotta keep your ego at bay - no matter how much initial interest you receive. Yea, all these girls find you attractive, or whatever, but none of them are going to stick around if everything about you sucks ass, and you have no game or personality, and are boring and lame, and insecure and... You get the idea.
