Looks are more important than you think! Merged [Official thread]

[Cod3r]

Cod3r get out in the real world and stop spouting *facts* that have no place in reality.

Me and you must live in a different reality... but whatever gets you laid


-Cod3r

 

[belividere]

would people please understand that looks matter more in getting laid than anythign else does.

MY THEORY IS -


My theory applies to EVERYDAY PEOPLE like u and me.

I cant figure out what is funnier, the fact that you have no idea what a theory is or the fact that you try to own common sense as if its your own.

Basically your attempting to quantify the qualitative and place a numerical value onto how limiting intangible factors can be. I'm not going to knock you on this but I saw your pics a couple of posts back (trainwreck effect - I had to look) and I would guess based on your style that we attract very different types of girls. I'm quite the opposite looks wise from you - dark features, heavier (5'10" - ~180 lbs), have facial hair at all times (usually a beard), and dress plain without jewerly or peacocking accesories. I have a more classic blue collar man like look to me and my attitude matches. Gauging your contributions to this board and the pic that I saw you have a more suburban, hipster funboy style.

I can say that I land great looking girls, and you can say the same. Its the internet so without proof nobody can really dismiss anybody elses skills can we? But can I pick up a girl into your style? Probably not, nor could you pick up a girl into mine. It isn't about looks either, it becomes more a wants argument. I target older professional women who want a man that they can be proud of, not a confused thugged out kid from the streets of (insert any suburb here) who might be attractive physically but has no grip on reality mentally. Where as you target younger girls who want something to talk about but not something serious.

How many HB 10s have you slept with that wanted a relationship with you? How many HB 10s have you slept with that dont consider you a mistake that happened one night? Was it really your looks that turned them on or was it that you were in the right place at the right time?

Your "theory" is entirely subjective and hundreds of people have posted legitimate arguments as to why it doesn't hold ground in reality. When you begin to accept the situation that you are in as not being the situation that the world is in, and you realize that you dont know everything, you will be able to understand social dynamics more clearly. This thread isn't the end all of all looks threads but it has ended the same as all of the other end all threads have. Nothing concrete has been established. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and other cliches. I'm not going to try to bump myself up to levels on the hottness scale to supplicate to women, because who is to say that doing so wouldn't cause me to miss a chance with a girl who thought my two points lower self was perfect. You worry about getting laid by a girl who ranks to high on a relative numerical scale too much. Why not bump yourself up two numbers in order to actually accomplish a goal for yourself rather than supplicate to hot girls who only want a guy with washboard abs?

Anyways, your theory isn't really a theory, situation and attraction reign supreme, and you worry about getting laid too much. Luckily, the whole point of this site is to inform those who want to be informed with valid information that they can use to better themselves with and not mindless dribble like this thread. I'm not sure that you've actually read the bible, or if you understood it since It WaSnT TyPeD LiKe ThIs ;p, (o)(o), ( i ), but those who have realize why it was collected in the first place.

 

[persiangino]

Me and you must live in a different reality... but whatever gets you laid


-Cod3r

Cod3r you seem like a cool kid and i respect that it's just that i've seen so many cases that have gone against this supposed theory put out by skip2mylou. These individuals had nothing going for them except for natural confidence and charm. By the way, im a very good looking guy (5'11, firm and toned, dark features, natural tan etc) AND im having the exact opposite problem. Most of my gfs have come through them approaching me. Go figure :crazy:

 

[Adone]

Don't want to take my word for it? S'hit, look at Kevin Federline. He married an A-List celebrity when he was still an average Joe, and most chicks consider him to be straight up ugly. Not average. UGLY. No fame. No money. F'ucked Britney Spears many, many times.

http://www.justjared.com/images/2006/07/kevin-federline-stepping-out-magazine.jpg

http://www.abc.net.au/news/features/img/Entertainmentblog/2005/december/20051226kevin.jpg



Ugly? If you were as goodlooking as this guy, you wouldn't be here, pal.

 

[MIKE.T]

For Deus:

The sentence made sense to me. He just changed tenses, whichs throws the meaning. It means if you take any particular guy, and you average out the ratings of the girls he's been with, this average would come in fairly close to his own rating. (Cod3r says no more than one standard deviation, which to him seems to mean 1 rating point, though I'm not sure how he calculated that.) I think it does stand to reason. Most couples I've seen do tend to resemble each other's attractiveness. Those couples where one of the partners is much more attractive than the other are fairly uncommon. I know you claim to seem them all the time, but when you make statements like Kevin Federline is UGLY (!) and that some guys out there believe Rosanne hotter than Eva Longoria (!!!) I think you really strain your credibility. Looks are[/i subjective, but the great mass of people still do tend to broadly agree on certain standards of beauty. If you reallybelieve Kevin Federline is UGLY or that Roseanne is anywhere near Eva Longoria's class, I would say you are way out of line with mainstream opinion. That does mean your view of dating stands up to scrutiny, but it really only applies at the margins.

 

[skip2mylou781]

well, brittney spears thought k-fed was hot enough to marry....but wtf, i said NO CELEBRITY EXAMPLES!!!

and to whoever made the comment about a 38 yr old bearded man getting a # from a hot college blonde, lets just remember that he could have been friendly, and yes gotten a #, and NO in HER mind she will not ever have sex with him or kiss him. If a girl has a fetish for beards, thats a whole other story.

everyone who is argunign here, lets all see your pics.........cuz part of the theory is, since no one wants to accept defeat, is that the uglier you are, the more u believe that looks dont have much to do with getting a girl to have sex with.

 

[Adone]

1) I've personally never talked to any woman that's found him attractive. They all either say "average", or just straight out "ugly". I'd have to agree. Maybe he's just your type.

2) You just stated that being an AFC and being good-looking are mutually exclusive. That's a big mistake. Being born good-looking does NOT mean that you are also born a DJ. I think even skip would back me up on that.

3) You don't want to go there. If you don't want to take my word for it, I can offer to get some real pics of myself, and you can then make a judgment based on facts, rather than theories and hunches.

1. Girls say he's ugly for the same reason I told you in another post: he's a threat to their self-confidence. They know that he's been with 2 beautiful girls just for their money and for sex, so it's pretty normal that girls hate him. Since they hate him, they say he's ugly. Maybe you live in Beverly Hills, I don't know, but over here, a guy like that would get each and every chick just by looking at her.

2) I didn't say that, man. Mine was just a joke, anyway when people are born like that, they usually grow up pretty confident girls-wise. Thus, they don't need to come here. I am pretty goodlooking too (or so I've been told), but I'm not like him by any means.

3) Ok, I'm pretty curious to see if you are really as good looking as that guy.

 

[S1NN3R]

www.photobucket.com

 

[Cod3r]

The sentence made sense to me. He just changed tenses, whichs throws the meaning. It means if you take any particular guy, and you average out the ratings of the girls he's been with, this average would come in fairly close to his own rating. (Cod3r says no more than one standard deviation, which to him seems to mean 1 rating point, though I'm not sure how he calculated that.) I think it does stand to reason. Most couples I've seen do tend to resemble each other's attractiveness. Those couples where one of the partners is much more attractive than the other are fairly uncommon. I know you claim to seem them all the time, but when you make statements like Kevin Federline is UGLY (!) and that some guys out there believe Rosanne hotter than Eva Longoria (!!!) I think you really strain your credibility. Looks are[/i subjective, but the great mass of people still do tend to broadly agree on certain standards of beauty. If you reallybelieve Kevin Federline is UGLY or that Roseanne is anywhere near Eva Longoria's class, I would say you are way out of line with mainstream opinion. That does mean your view of dating stands up to scrutiny, but it really only applies at the margins.

Eloquent to say the least

everyone who is argunign here, lets all see your pics.........cuz part of the theory is, since no one wants to accept defeat, is that the uglier you are, the more u believe that looks dont have much to do with getting a girl to have sex with.

Would be interesting to see if the ones who just won't believe looks play a large part in who you sleep with, to see their pictures and see if there is a direct relationship to the more vehemently they fight the argument to how unattractive they are physically... would be interesting

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Again let me separate myself from Skip, I'm not saying looks are the only thing that matters, so don't put me in that camp. I'm just saying that most guys are not going to consistently pop off (fvck) females more than 1 point above themselves.. key word = CONSISTENTLY. I will allow that circumstance is a very powerful aphrodisiac and flukes can happen, a girl can be lonely or depressed and you say the right word with no one looking and it happens... or some other event like that... that's why I believe if you average out over a lifetime someone's looks versus the females he's slept with you'd get a number that would either be equal to or no more than 1 point greater than he looks himself...

And about KFED being Ugly, you're very misinformed. I live in NyC and the females hate him because they are obsessed with Britney. Yes they all say he's ugly and trashy, but that's just because they can't believe he slept with Spears... you're not getting an accurate portrayal sir...

If KFED approached the girls saying this tommorow... i'd put the house on they sleep with him... have an inkling you'd place that bet as well bro...


-COd3r

 

[MIKE.T]

I will allow that circumstance is a very powerful aphrodisiac and flukes can happen, a girl can be lonely or depressed and you say the right word with no one looking and it happens... or some other event like that...

How about simply being drunk? Obvious, but it gets overlooked.

 

[persiangino]

double

 

[persiangino]

"and to whoever made the comment about a 38 yr old bearded man getting a # from a hot college blonde, lets just remember that he could have been friendly, and yes gotten a #, and NO in HER mind she will not ever have sex with him or kiss him. If a girl has a fetish for beards, thats a whole other story."



No the dude with the beard DID lay these girls. I will agree with you that in an LTR looks must be equivalent between the partners if everything else is equal or relatively so. For example I see a lot of rich unattractive guys with hot wives. However, to the husband’s dismay these trophy wives often cheat. But don't underestimate the power of masculine confidence and charisma for flings with stupid college girls who don’t know what they want.

And to Cod3r who said KFED is hot in every girl's eyes i must disagree. Although he is tall, has a nice body type, nice facial structure, his eyes are hideous. Only in America have i noticed people pay absolutely no attention to the eyes and their shape. Seriously, look how small (some Big eyes also are unattractive) and wierd looking his eyes seem with the shape of his face. Eyes are by far the most important thing when judging someone's beauty and i laugh at Girl's who claim they only care about the guy's teeth haha wtf. Now Don't get me wrong, there are alot of girls who will find him sexy because he is still in the top 5% but to say every girl in New York will **** him is just ridiculous; considering i know alot of people in LI who Ubiquitously agree that KFED is ugly and not because they are jealous of Britney cause they hate her too. Now compare him to other hollywood players that these supposedly jealous girls are supposed to hate like George Clooney. Even though alot of people think he's gay because he hasn't had a partner in a long time, he is considered very attractive by a majority of females. And Again not EVERY girl will find him attractive, but one can say he is universally attractive. Same can go for Brad Pitt.

 

[comic_relief]

This is the most rediculous thread that I have ever seen. Over a 1000 posts. The largest post that i have ever seen.

comic_relief

 

[MIKE.T]

Almost deserves its own sub-forum.

 

[TyTe`EyEs]

Personally, I believe that I would be hotter than the sum of all the girls I have been with. Then again, I take what I can easily get. On top of that I'm a binge drinker, which leads to some questionable calls.


I basically agree with what cod3r is saying though.

 

[God_of_getting_layed]

Also, I think guys are not very good at judging the attractiveness of other guys. I never was either. But I started to pay attention to the looks of guys that girls would talk excitedly about being "hot". Over time, I became a better judge of male attractiveness - a better judge in the sense that I could predict who girls would find hot. Yet when I compare to this other guys' opinions about these "hot" guys, a huge amount of the time their opinions would be that "he's ugly", "what a mug", that type of stuff. I don't know if they're just poor judges or they're just plain jealous. Personally, I would not trust another guy's opinion of your looks.

You are correct! men arent very good judges of attractiveness. Guys will be like "I saw an ugly guy with a hot girl, proves skip is wrong!". Well, the thing is, how do you know he was ugly? your a guy, and are not a good judge of whats ugly or good looking anyway. Taking into account the fact that womens taste varies only complicates it even more. I think mysterywoman also pointed out that she sees good looking guys with ugly girls. Ihave seen girls say this alot. "ewww, shes so ugly and skanky, whats she doing with him?" then I look over at the girl, and shes smokin hot!! THe point is, women arent good judges either, and could try to use these examples to prove that men dont care about looks in the same way guys on this board use them. But the fact that men are bad judges would discredit this in the same way a woman would use these examples to push a theory that men dont care about looks. The fact is, the girl that the girl was ugly, but to us guys, she was good looking. The guy thought the guy was ugly, but to the girl, hes hot. Im sure you guys see where Im going with this.

Something else that has been said, by Godgettinglaid, I think, is that girls' opinions of who is hot vary widely. I think they do, too, but not all that widely.

Although its true it doesnt vary like crazy. Im not saying your equally likely to be good looking to one girl as ugly to the next. All Im saying is that some women will see you as good looking if most see you as ugly. And some women will see you as ugly if most see you as good looking. And in some cases, almost all women will see you as ugly (for the real ugly mofos). Most men, but not all, have atleast a handful of women out there that will think theyre atleast cute or reasonably goodlooking. THis explains why we see alot of men being able to get reasonable good looking women despite the fact that most men are not supermodel types.

For example, I highly doubt that a 9 to one girl would be a 3 to another. Probably the ratings don't vary by more than 2 or at most 3 points. Basically, if a guy is good looking, then the only options are that some girls find him hot and others find him averag (plain), but no girls are going to find him ugly. If a guy is average, some will find him average, some (midlly to very) ugly and some (mildly) hot - but never "he gets my panties wet just looking at him" kind of hot.

Well, it depends on what the probability distribution looks like for the guys attractiveness. Although, Even if a guy is good looking, and most women find him as hot, I guarantee you, there will be some that find him fugly. THe variance isnt that small to where it wont, but its not that big either.

 

[God_of_getting_layed]

Lets face it people, skip is correct and you guys are in denial. :rock:

Your theory that looks dont matter much holds no water!

it fails to explain real life observations. Id call that not holding water, wouldnt you? I thought so.

Skip's theory successfully explains most if not all real life observations. Now I would call that a water holder, lol. :cheer:

When you take into account what it states:
-Women require a guy to be good looking or nothing will work, nothing except attempting rape.
-Women's tastes vary, (explaining why "ugly guys" manage to get a hot chick)
-Men are poor judges of a guys looks (explaining why many of the eyewitnesses of ugly guys with hot girls have no credibility.)

lets look at the evidence:
-we have seen guys who could be considered ugly or average with hot chicks, but women's variance in their tastes and the fact that men are poor judges account for these observations.
-What we have not seen are unambiguous, undeniable cases where the guy HAS to be seen as ugly to the girl hes banging. Cases where womens variance and mens poor judgement fail to explain. THese would be examples where theres some fatassed blob with a pizza face, big nose, big ears, hairy all over his body like a ****ing bear, short as fvck, and balding with a hot ***** where money or a calculated motive on the woman's behalf has been ruled out. These cases would give skips theory trouble. But the fact is, we have not observed these cases, so therefore skips theory correctly explains all observations. According to the theory, such cases should never exist, we dont observe them, so therefore skip has consistency my friends!

But when we look over at the "looks dont matter" theory, we should be seeing plenty of these cases. I mean, there has to be some ugly as ****, fatassed blobs with pizza faces and hairy bodies, short as ****, balding etc. undeniably ugly to anyone, but have game, and therefore would be getting chicks, becuase looks dont matter (they got game, and get chicks this way). We should be seeing some of these cases if the "looks dont matter" were true. But we dont! How is it possible for average or good looking guys to have good game, oh but ugly guys dont? Ugly guys are just as likely to have good game as a good looking one, so we should expect to see some fugly guys getting hot chicks do to their game. But we dont. THis seriously gives the "looks dont matter" theory trouble.

Also, we look at many hot women with boyfriends, pretty much all of them agree that their BF is good looking, even If us guys disagree. If you dont beleive me, I dare you to poll as many hot chicks you can who have BFs and ask them if they think there BF is good looking, THey will all say yes. If the "looks dont matter" theory were true, we would expect only a minority of these women to say yes since only a minority of guys are good looking, and the rest would say "no" since most guys are not good looking, and would have to have gotten these hot chicks using game. But since pretty much all hot chicks agree that their boyfriends are atleast cute, this really gives the "looks dont matter" theory serious trouble.

Okay, so lets look at the score here:
Observations are consistent with skips theory.
Observations fail with "looks dont matter" theory.

Give it up people. accept it, looks matter. women are just like men in this respect. You gotta be attractive in their eyes.

 

[piranha45]

but how much of the total current attraction is purely physical, and how much is the result of emotional attachment?

Emotional attachment elevates a person's attractiveness substantially. From a purely physical perspective, most women might say a guy is plain, but the girl he's been working on for the past few weeks/months will have come to rate him higher than he originally was. The emotional attachment interferes with her assessment of his physical looks.

and the same works for guys with their respective gfs.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

...So instead of ego driven posts, how about some more supporting threads, we're all in this together guys, how a bit of brotherly spirit?

What a crazy concept.

 

[MIKE.T]

Are we really all in it together, though? Maybe as pu artists (well, wannabe pu artists, at any rate), but not really as guys. As guys, we're competing with one another. (Maybe that's why some us advance the more elitist "looks matter, a lot" theory - if you discourage some from even trying, you narrow down the competition.)