Looks are more important than you think! Merged [Official thread]

[Charm&Style]

:crackup: :crackup: :crackup:

nvrmind i juss saw it hahahaHAHAhaha

your good looking bro (not as good looking as i am), but you have wayyyyyy tooooooooooooo much of an ego.


EMINEM > SKIP


WERD UP


peace


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[ChrizZ]

I wanna see it, too! hrhrhr :crackup:

 

[MIKE.T]

hahahahaHAHAHAhahaha :crackup:


i wanna see a pic of this guy who brags his a$s off.

Actually, you are doing a far superior job of bragging your ass off on this very thread. Just a couple of posts up you are bragging about looking better than skip. Has skip ever said anything like that to someone? Not that I have seen. What you see as bragging is his simply explaining his views of the reality of the dating game. Sure, his writing good be clearer and less bombastic (as could yours), but it's not. Nevertheless, it's important to address his point, not the manner in which he puts it.

 

[Charm&Style]

Actually, you are doing a far superior job of bragging your ass off on this very thread. Just a couple of posts up you are bragging about looking better than skip. Has skip ever said anything like that to someone? Not that I have seen. What you see as bragging is his simply explaining his views of the reality of the dating game. Sure, his writing good be clearer and less bombastic (as could yours), but it's not. Nevertheless, it's important to address his point, not the manner in which he puts it.

Hahaha another douche whose trying to make friends on this board


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get a life bro, get your d1ck out your hand.


peace

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[MIKE.T]

Hahaha another douche whose trying to make friends on this board


:crackup:


get a life bro, get your d1ck out your hand.


peace

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Hey, that's some "charm" and "style" you've got there, telling me to get my d1ck out of my hand and then ending with "peace". Maybe it's a persian thing.

 

[LA_Chico]

why u racist bro?

 

[MIKE.T]

This one definitely needs a bump.

I wouldn't necessarily say this is the only way to develop confidence, perhaps not even the best way, but, imo, it's a very effective way. Looking back through my experiences, I can say for sure that when I felt I was looking my absolute best, when the hair was just right, the clothes were just right, it was one hell of a feeling, and I felt ready to take on anything. Most importantly, this was when I did my best with girls. When I just knew I was looking damn good and knew that no way would any sane girl resist me, that's when I was most easily able to persist and fight my way through the standard obstacles chicks throw up at you.

Now, as for the rest of life, I suppose looking fantastic isn't all that important for your confidence. I would say competence is more crucial there. But this site is about picking up girls, not about business or career success (even though some people want to think so). For confidence with girls, I think skip's point is right on the money. I have tried a shyt load of other confidence building measures, and none of them ever really did anything for me. Believe me, I put my heart into them, but for girls, they didn't do jack. Only that 'winning feeling' that I look killer, that I look better than the hb I wanna pu ever helped. As I said, maybe this is not the only way, or even a good way, for someone like me, who has had virtually zero success with any other confidence building method, this is the one I am gonna work with.

(I used to "use it" naturally, way before anyone ever explained it. Actually, reading pu material screwed me up, because it claimed this sort of confidence was "fake". Well stuff it, since it worked, I am going back to it.)

 

[Charm&Style]

Hey, that's some "charm" and "style" you've got there, telling me to get my d1ck out of my hand and then ending with "peace". Maybe it's a persian thing.

ya its a persian thing to say peace..

My God, I dont think its possible to be any bigger of a dork than you. Its obvious why YOU'R on this site...queerball if your gonna crack a line about persians at least make it funny and not lame.


Yours Truely
E-Friend


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[Cod3r]

I'm going to put it like this....

Looks matter to this extent, if you can walk up to an HB8+ and use a direct opener and #close with more than a 50% success rate, you are 'hot' plain and simple. Using the same example if you can do this with HB6-7, ur 'good lookin' and if you can do this with HB4-5 'you're average'... if you fall anywhere below this, you're physically unattractive... period...

I think 70% of people here are 'average' with 20% being 'good looking' and the rest of you are just plain 'unattractive'. Haven't seen any pictures of guys who are just plain and simply 'hot'

Get over yourselves !!!


-Cod3r

 

[MIKE.T]

ya its a persian thing to say peace..

My God, I dont think its possible to be any bigger of a dork than you. Its obvious why YOU'R on this site...queerball if your gonna crack a line about persians at least make it funny and not lame.


Yours Truely
E-Friend


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No, no, I was suggesting it might be a persian thing to insult somebody and then wish them "peace". Well, I shouldn't have expected you to get the point, since you've made pretty clear reading comprehension isn't one of your strong suits. That's why you've gone on and on and on about skip "bragging", when he's really done nothing of the kind. It's probably because you are such a braggart (like 99% of the dozens of midlle easterners I have been personally acquainted with, who are constantly bragging about something) that you simply except everyone else to be bragging whenever their lips move. Wrong.

Now, since you obviously have nothing to contribute to this discussion, shouldn't you just leave it alone? I mean, that's what a civilized person would do. Are you up to it?

 

[MIKE.T]

Yeah, Mike. I agree totally. But, that's a completely different subject in my opinion. All the qualities that you described to increase confidence all involved adjusting your appearance. Clothes, hair, musculature, hygiene...all fall under the realm of appearance. Looks, on the other hand are not so easily changed. Without the help of a plastic surgeon or some serious vitamin supplements, your facial proportions, bone structure, body frame, and height aren't gonna change much.

Some of these guys' argument is, therefore, that if you're unattractive/average, you're forever doomed to date unattractive/average chicks for life no matter what you do. (Unless you get a plastic surgeon to fix your face, of course.)

I don't know why that reply appeared in this this thread. I thought I was bumping up one of skip's threads where he explained his view of confidence with women being related back to confidence in your looks. My post seems kind of strange, stuck out there all by itself.

Deus, if you read up just a couple of posts above it, I outline my views on the looks thing. Yes, I'm one of those people who believes unattractive - but not average - looks means you won't be scoring the highest rated babes, pretty much ever. I know it's not what people want to hear, but I honestly believe it. My advice therefore is if you are unattractive is to forget about trying to become a lifelong dj and to put your efforts into finding a wife, the best one you can pull, which is, of course, going to require you to do virtually all of the stuff that's talked about in the bible etc. Even unattractive guys I believe will on occasion score far higher than their looks would normally allow (whether this means 8s, I'm not sure, but 7s seems possible). They should aim at becoming the kind of guy that can keep these women, because life isn't going to offer them too many chances to do much better. Looking back through my life, the unattractive (not just average, I mean really unattractive - which is rare) guys who scored way above their looks all did it through social circles, in which they could "demonstrate high value" over time (these guys did have killer personalities), not because of dj skills. Lesson? If you are unattractive, don't move out of your town, because it's going to be difficult to rebuild that social circle in which your high value (assuming you have high value) has been recognized. I mean, life is short, if you have to rebuild from scratch, precious years are awasting.

But alright, for all that I admit that some unattractive guys might, somehow, be able to become crackerjack djs, constantly pulling babes way better looking than themselves. I have never known anybody that fits that description, not even close. But let's say it's possible. Does that mean it's likely? In my opinion, no. It would probabaly be the equivalent of making it in to pro sports. So if you think how difficult it is to become a pro basketballer or a pro golfer, then that's probably how hard it's going to be to become an unattractive dj who pulls hot babes on a regular basis.

And lastly, yeah, I think plastic surgery is a good option. Why the hell not? People are going to spend thousands and thousands of dollars on clothing, on footwear, on accessories, all with the view to looking better, when it's probably just simpler to save some money on that stuff and do something that goes to the heart of the matter and improve their faces. Case in point, I had a friend (well, friend's brother) who had this really big nose, and not only that, it was crooked, too. Totally, totally detracted from his looks. I don't know anyone that didn't behind his back crack a joke about it. Another guy, kind of attractive, I would say, to some girls, until he opened his mouth - huge gap between his teeth. Again, the butt of jokes. One trip to the plastic surgeon is all it would have required to fix this stuff. But some people would prefer to live in denial, believing in those pc fantasies about looks being "only skin deep", or kidding themselves that people aren't noticing. (People aren't noticing?!?! Riiiiiight.)

 

[Cod3r]

Originally posted by Cod3r (in bold):

Looks matter to this extent, if you can walk up to an HB8+ and use a direct opener and #close with more than a 50% success rate, you are 'hot' plain and simple.

Yeah, because it totally isn't because you rolled up in a cherry Lamborghini Diablo. Looks are all that matters!

Using the same example if you can do this with HB6-7, ur 'good lookin' and if you can do this with HB4-5 'you're average'... if you fall anywhere below this, you're physically unattractive... period...

Exactly. Because it has nothing to do with the fact that she could smell your B.O. from across the room before you even thought about approaching her. LOOKS are what counts, not hygiene.

Get over yourselves !!!

If you really want some pictures dude, I'll borrow my friend's digital camera so you can judge for yourself. Do you prefer shaved or natural?
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My post was excluding any outside preliminaries such as hygiene, social status, reputation, fame ect... all assumed equal smart guy...

Oh and if you want to photoshop your pictures for me to judge, please by all means but does that make you feel a tad gay ?? You don't have to answer that question btw

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I agree with above poster, I don't care who you are without social attractive qualities or other extraordinary circumstances, if you're unattractive physically to most women, u ain't going to pull consistently high value highly attractive women... just ain't happening, purely my opinion...


-COd3r

 

[Cod3r]

If you wish to present photo's of yourself and have me critique them, I'll gladly do that. If you're 'hot'then I'll say that, if you're 'ugly' or 'average' I'll say that, but i'm confused on again why you want my opinion of your looks ??

::Confused::

And also what is Skip's theory ?? I don't remember agreeing or even knowing his theory ?? Again... confused ??

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My opinions on looks are basically that any man talking to any woman on the same level as themselves or +1 point (with game), has a chance to lay that girl. Very simple opinion, do you understand ?? If this is what Skip says, I agree.

Meaning, if you're a 7 you can be taught to consistently bang 7's and 8's. That dosen't mean that you ARE (like in your case) You're, let's assume, a 9. That means that I could TEACH you to consistently bang HB9's and HB10's, aka you have the POTENTIAL to bang these chicks... whether you live to that potential or not, that's another question...

If you give me another guy that's a 6, he has the potential to bang 6's naturally and 7's (with game), but his consistensy with 8's, 9's and 10's will always be sub-par if ever. He'll NEVER gain consistensy with females that high above his looks spectrum without fame, or wealth or some other extraordinary factor... I don't think 'game' is one of those factors...

Do you understand now ? I hope so bro... nighty night


-Cod3r

 

[MIKE.T]

Deus my frame of reference is a metropolis of ~3 million people (call me paranoid, I don't want to say where). I used to frequent all the precincts known for hot babes. I guess it's fair to say I wasn't looking that hard for examples (of ugly guy-hot girl) in years gone by, so maybe there were some that I just missed. I doubt it though, because that kind of thing tends to really stand out and has your brain thinking, wtf, how did he managed to score her? And that honestly happened very, very rarely. Imo, when it did, it was probably because of the demonstration of high value over extended periods of time. Unless you're very well-known, you can be rich, you can be powerful (say, a high level manager or local politician), but those things don't pop out at anyone at first glance, so for quick pickups, I really doubt it's gonna be of much help. But if the guy's been operating in a certain area and moving in certain social circles, then yes, fair enough, his status becomes evident and it is able to overcome the deficiency in his looks. In that case, yes, I can see such a guy pulling way above his looks. So the fact that you, in Popularville California, see ugly guys (remember, I'm not talking just average guys) with hot babes doesn't impress me much at all. And furthermore, how do you know that these guys you are seeing pull such babes regularly? Maybe the ones you see walking down the street are the one-offs, where they guy has, for whatever reason, pulled way above his level? Maybe these ugly guys with hot babes are accomplished players, but simply your seeing them does not establish this.

In the end, even if what I argue is true, it doesn't really change much. Remember, I am still recommending to ugly guys to get out, to learn and to play the game, because that is still the best way to improve and to get a girl that is way above his looks. The only recommendation I make is that if he does so, that he aim to keep her (and to aim to become the kind of guy that such girls would stay with), because it would be unlikely he'd ever get too many more like that. So the practical difference between my view and yours is that you would say that, if he wants to, he should go right ahead and be a player, not get attached to this one girl, instead try to pick up others like her. I would say he is making a big mistake if he does that.

Anyway, this is all rather academic to me, and it's not going to make one bit of difference to me what people believe, and more importantly, it's not going to help me over come my apprehensions and get my scared butt back in the game. So, I'll leave for you guys.

ps - you know what would be interesting? If you could take some snaps of these ugly guy-hot babe couples that you say are everywhere. Not so much to prove your point that you are seeing them (I'll allow that you do), but more for inspiration purposes. That would be a really cool thing for someone to do. Don't know if you have the time, means or inclination, though.

 

[skip2mylou781]

would people please understand that looks matter more in getting laid than anythign else does.

MY THEORY IS -

"The girl MUST find you physically attractive IN HER OWN EYES if you are to even have a chance in having sex with her or dating her. If in the eyes of the girl you are physically repulsive (or even not up to par to her usual standards), then you have NO chance to get laid"

my theory excludes examples where a golddigger would **** a guy just for his $$. It also excludes celebrities.

My theory applies to EVERYDAY PEOPLE like u and me.

 

[MIKE.T]

Well, what the hell, I've nothing better to do at the moment, so one more comment.

Skip, I think your theory should allow that a guy can become more attractive in a girl's eyes. True, I think there needs to be some minimal attraction there, in the sense of, hmm, he doesn't look bad, and then, if you dj it right, she starts to think of you as "hot",or at least as hotter than what she first saw you as. I'm not sure whether this is really a physical reaction, or the emotional connection at work, but either way, the person does become more attractive.

For example, Joe is minimally attractive to Jane. She sees him at the club, but doesn't really get excited by him, but definitely isn't repulsed either. She isn't thinking about him, but if you asked her opinion, she'd say, yeah, he's not bad, or yeah, he's kinda cute. Then say John pulls off some super-confident approach, he does it, say, just the way Jane likes it, and she's impressed by it, and his attractiveness moves up a couple of notches. All of a sudden, she's thinking, hmm, this is quite a sexy guy and sex becomes a distinct possibility. But without that minimal sort of attraction, if John was just too average (let alone deadset ugly) I have my doubts that he'd ever excite her enough for her to have sex with him.

 

[MIKE.T]

For Mike:

You're changing your arguments a bit, but that's cool. No, I don't know for a fact if these ugly-average dudes score HB's. They probably do, but you must have lost your mind if you think I'm going to start stalking these couples so I can provide proof for Looks are Everything SoSuave'ers. See, at first you said seeing such a sight would be the equivalent to seeing a pro sports player. That's 1 in 30,000. A ratio that's far, far, FAR, far, far under the amount of these couples that you find it so hard to believe are in existence.

No, you misunderstood. I said that ugly guys (I never said average, I said ugly) who can consistently pull hot babes (who are way over their level) are the equivalent of professional sportsmen; not ugly guys who manage a one-off.

And no, I wasn't asking you stalk anybody. Just to take some snaps of ugly guy/hot babe couples whenever it is you happen to see them. Eg, you are sitting at a cafe having a coffee, and some such couple walks in, pull out your cell and discreetly take a pic. (I didn't mean follow the ugly guy around and see if he manages to pull another hot babe besides the one you saw him with. Lol, if I said that, I'd definitely be out of my mind.)

 

[skip2mylou781]

celebrities seriously do not function as normal people so forget talkin about how an hb10 off the street would fvck a celebrity whos a 4/10 i looks...........also, a girl does not TRULY find a rich guy attractive, she only finds his wallet attractive, and u better believe it that while she's riding his ugly c0ck just so she can get a $1000 gucci bag from him, shes thinkin about that hot guy she saw on the street who was jogging without his shirt on and showin off his 6 pac and muscles....THAT actually turns a girl on sexually!

 

[Cod3r]

I don't care what anyone says, outside of fame and money or some other extraordinary factor...

You're not going to consistentlty fvck more than 1 point above your looks spectrum...


If you took anyone (outside of fame, money), and average the girls they fvcked on the looks scale, they broadest range would fall within 1 standard deviation of their own looks... FACT


-Cod3r

 

[persiangino]

I don't care what anyone says, outside of fame and money or some other extraordinary factor...

You're not going to consistentlty fvck more than 1 point above your looks spectrum...


If you took anyone (outside of fame, money), and average the girls they fvcked on the looks scale, they broadest range would fall within 1 standard deviation of their own looks... FACT


-Cod3r

Your point, atleast in my case, makes ABSOLUTELY zero sense. Why? I know plenty of ugly men (strangely they were all born and raised OUTSIDE of the USA) who CONSISTENTLY bang very HOT chicks. Women are very emotional creatures and these men are absolute masters when it comes to controling their emotions. In fact, I was sarging with a THIRTY-EIGHT year old man who drives a 10 year old VAN, has a beard, dresses like a complete idiot who was able to get this VERY HOT BLONDE chick's number in COLLEGE. How did he do it? He has the confidence of scarface and never gets phased when talking to a girl and keeps her interested during the whole time. Cod3r get out in the real world and stop spouting *facts* that have no place in reality.