Looks are more important than you think! Merged [Official thread]

[God_of_getting_layed]

Do you really want to prove only looks matter? Then explain, based only on looks alone, why a woman doesn't f-ck every good looking guy she meets.

explain why good looking guys dont fvck or even bother to try to fvck every good looking girl he meets? same reason.

Explain to us why, based only on looks alone, relationships even exist? Or marriage? Why, if it's all about looks, do women complain about jerks yet have a tendency to avoid nice guys? I mean, if all of these people are good looking, then none of this sh-t should matter, right?

Before personality can even be considered, she must see you as good looking, or no awesome personality will do anything. If she thinks youre good looking, you have to have a really bad personality to fvck up, everything is pretty much naturally taking care of itself. looks pretty much are the only factor for a man's choice in a female partner, yet, men too complain about women being *****es. THe fact that relationships exist, and women complain about men being jerks doesnt disprove or take away any from what skip is saying.

So as long as I'm good looking, if I'm a Brad Pitt clone, then I should have a free pass to do whatever I want. I could drop out of school in the eigth grade, live in mommy's basement, drive a 20 year old piece of sh-t with an exhaust leak, fart at will, scratch my balls, spit, cuss, smoke, get piss drunk and smack women around, insult her family, spend all of her money, f-ck her and leave her unsatisfied, f-ck her friends and leave them unsatisfied and kick her in the crotch when she doesn't make me a sandwhich. I can do all of that. Because, dude, only looks matter. Oo yeah, I'm gettin laid.

lol, funny example. no ones really that much of an *******-loser tho.

 

[SoCalMike]

gotta back skip up on this one

based on his replies i don't think skip is saying that ONLY looks matter, but that looks are the most important factor. i suspect many people try to downplay this because they're not good looking and have a hard time dealing with the brutal reality that hot girls aren't interested in them.

and please guys stop using celebrities, rock stars, and the ultra wealthy as examples. those are special cases and even there looks always play a part. someone mentioned lyle lovett and julia roberts. how wet do you think julia roberts got for him? she eventually got tired of his ugly mug and bailed.

i also don't for one second buy this BS about "my friend is ugly but he gets hot girls because of his personality". either that's a lie or we're not getting the full story (his "ugly" trait may be a turn on for some girls). for example, there are girls who dig guys with scars on their faces, goth chicks often dig pale skinny guys, etc.

once i've seen a guy who's 5'4", 200lbs fat, with a huge hook nose and covered with acne banging hot broads every time he goes clubbing b/c he's got game, then maybe i'll start changing my tune.

the good news is, you can improve your looks and even a guy who is fat, bad face, short, etc. can do a decent job out there if they get in shape, dress sharp, style their hair, etc.

 

[Khan-X]

Disregarding your more obvious contradictions regarding facts as opposed to theories, you're taking no account of the basic biological urges of women. We are all, men or women, simply biological machines. The primary function of our existence is to ensure the survival of our genes and therefore species. Because of this, male and female humans have different requirements in a mate. For the female, this means two things;

1) She looks for a mate able to protect her and her offspring. This is where the 'Good Looks' comes in. She wants the athletic, muscular type of guy because he is most likely to be a good hunter and fighter. A nice tight butt to give that good hard thrust when mating, so more likely to impregnate her. Clean skin signifying lack of disease. All these things are the subconcious triggers that still work the same on high power Wall Street women today as they did on Raquel Welch in her cave in 1 Million Years BC. (Ah, she did look good in that...)
That's the bit that supports your argument. The bit that doesn't is this:

2) She looks for a mate that is going to stay around to provide that support. Human female gestation period alone is nine months, and human offspring are pretty much helpless for the first five years of their lives. That's why women are very choosy, and why looks alone won't cut it. She wants a man that she feels is a good enough bet in the personality department to keep an interest in the investment of his sperm. This is what we've labelled as 'Love', and is nature's little trick to achieve this bonding. Here, women use all their superior behavioural observation skills to pick men who show the most attraction with her. For us, this means dialogue, humour, tenderness etc etc. And this is the part that the seduction community is learning to manipulate. (Clever buggers, aren't we?)

Seems I've come over all David Attenborough tonight. Of course, all the above is just a theory, not fact. As you probably worked out.
Makes sense to me though.

(not only am I ugly as sin, I mean really, really repulsively so foul and ugly I have to go around with a bag over my head, but British too...is there no hope for me, Skip...?)

There's only one thing that doesn't match with your theory: if the sole purpose of life is to propagate your genes, why haven't you jumped from the closest skyscrapper? I mean what with you being ugly and all...Doesn't seem to be much purpose to your life mate. I'm sure though even if you don't kill yourself someobody else will do us the favor. :rockon:


I agree, look is what get you the hottest, finest girls. Young girls -especially the quality one, want the best guy with the best genes just like guys want an attractive girl (or girls). Most guys don't know this stuff but when girls are during or near their ovulating periods, they get all hot and they're only thinkin' about getting the hottest stud in the place, and the best f*ck they'll get is from the handsome because her body and her brain is responding to what has been programmed by evolution.

 

[Khan-X]

That's irrelevant. The reason skip's argument is so over-the-top preposterous is because according to him, looks are ALL THAT MATTERS. Read as, you can do all that s'hit that LJC mentioned, and still pull any chick you want. Yes. He ACTUALLY believes this. I say we start a fund to get skip some professional help.

Even though he may be a bit over zealous in the way he explaines it (and sometimes annoying) I agotta agree with skip on this.

Look is by far the number one factor here. Everyone wants to mate with the fittest, best, most attractive partner they're genes can possibly attract it's true.It's evolution: learn it, live it, love it.

So it's true that if you're handsome you're not necessarily banging hot chicks because it's still possible you sufer from some form of shyness or other type of social impairments, but this doesn't go against the basic premise (look is number one) If you're not attractive you're not gonna bed attractive girls ever so you might as well start aiming more in your own range. Any guys that doesn't agree with this is either ugly or in denial.

 

[Khan-X]

I also think the Hollywood examples are dubious at best and they don't mean much. Like somebody else said, we don't really know what's REALLY going on beind close doors...for example does the ugly guy that was with Julia Roberts was really screwing her? I have my doubts...lol We don't know that stuff so it's silly to draw hasty conclusions. All we know is you never see stuff like that in real life

 

[Charm&Style]

Skip you have tooo much of an ego (a useless one in fact).

Getting laid is your (and many others on here) life i bet.

Why do people on here put such a high value on the amount of times you get "laid" ?

Is it like some sort of competition or is it becuz you feel valuable once you do it ?


I think its more valuable to have just one superhot chic and be able to keep her than to bone any random chick that comes along...

Juss like me and my chick:

 

[Khan-X]

You're confused

You say I'm confused but you manage to support what I was essantially saying while not agreeing with me first

musculature (ability to defend the nest and offspring), ability to provide for oneself and others, and masculinity (virility) factor

You then go on mentionning Johnny Depp (one of the "sexiest man alive" according to many women) as if that somehow support that look isn't number one.

I don't think I'm the confused one here...

For women, attraction is FAR more complex

Not it's not. That's one of the great myth out there and truly one of the fondation of ASF thinking.

Men first and foremost are attracted to indicators of quality. Well, so are women don't kid yourself. That means indicators of good genes like broad shoulders, strong jawline, symmetrical body, correct proportion, above average height etc.

Another mistake of the AFC: he make women more complex than they really are. Women are basically driven by their emotions and hormones. And what provoke those strong, positive emotion they so crave? = good looks! Only when they get older do they become less interested in looks. But I don't think guys here when some post-menopausal women.

That quote should be next to the word "AFC" in the DJ glossary. What's more likely, men who have other things to offer besides looks (personality, confidence, stability, goals, material possessions, a great sense of humor) are actually dating attractive women (as I see daily), or it's an all an act, and the man bribes the woman to be seen in public with him making out and holding hands? If you guess the latter, there's no point in arguing because you're so far gone there's no point.

You're the one who's gone, pal. If you're not good looking then you're not gonna get any love from attractive women sorry. Perhaps you're delusional concerning your own looks and the kind of girl you can attract. Seem only an ugly guy would deny with such conviction that look is not factor number one (that's not to say it's the ONLY factor of course).

The kind of guy you describe (guys who has other quality other than look) make out with women who have other quality then look. Water seeks it's own level, and we all try to get our horny hands on the most attractive,genetically most fit partner our own genes allow us to.Both men and women.

Anyway,happy delusions. The only attractive women who would go for unattractive guys are: women who terrible self esteem and gold diggers who are screwing the poolguy behing his back lol. Whatever dude.

 

[Jackman]

Most retarded thread.

 

[Khan-X]

Exactly. That's what makes my example so great. If looks was number one, Johnny Depp could do exactly what I just said and get away with it. Since it's not, he couldn't. I'll wait for your reply on that one.

No, it's a retarded example actually. Just because look IS number one doesn't mean you can get away with anything - like spitting on her best friend or something, I mean wtf c'mon...

Emotions are tied to how a man makes them feel, which is completely independent of good looks.

A man's good looks is tied to how they make her feel.

These are standard AFC talking points,

Nope. Mostly,the AFCs are the one desperate to believe that look only play a secondary role (which is why he get owned by questionable gurus) because he knows otherwise he's f*ckup knowing he'll never have the chance to have the best girls while the confident, attractive guy are mostly guys that knows (and have no problem with the fact) that look is number one. He knows that he got the stuff and he's confident in attracting the best girls. He got the confidence and he got the look to back it up -because confidence without anything to back it up is like a sword without a blade or something. That's why you'll see the her with the handsome guy. On the other hand (average looking) AFC rarely approach hot girls: deep down he knows he's not good enough for her. Once in a while he may approach her but he'll get rejected cuz hot girl for their equivalent. It's biology man. But heh, whatever keep telling yourself the contrary.


Look is number one but confidence is a (relative) distant second. It's still important though.

And no, you're not getting any shirtless pics of me to validate this claim.

I didn't ask for one. But heh whatever floats your boat I'm not here to pass judgments.

By the way, what place do you live in where only attractive men have a chance with attractive women? I'd like to take a tour there to see some very surreal s'hit. That'd be so odd, heh.

Yeah, real odd sh*t allright. I tell ya, there's some weird sh*t going on. Like trees growing from earth instead of solid cement, cats doing it with other cats, hotels where you can actually rent rooms...****ed up sh*t man, like an upside down world or something...

Where do YOU life where you see beta, average looking chumps with attractive women? Now THAT's ****ed up... Also remember, Hollywood, prostitute-client relationships, and commercials and movies don't count as real examples.

Oh and see the title of the thread...

 

[sstype]

everything khan-x says is spot on, sorry Deux but you're getting more illogical by each post.

Now I will say this...just because you are a 4 or 5 in looks does not mean you still cant get laid, Assuming you're a well adjusted guy without any major personality flaws. You can lay plenty of 5's, some 6's, and a few 7's if you have the ambition to do so.

Now if you bump up your looks to a 7(working out, good style) you have the potential to lay plenty of 7's, some 8's, and a few 9's.

If you elevate yourself to hunk-like status (8 or above) then you have the potential to have easy sexual access to the hottest women. We're talkin the swimsuit models, the girls we jack off to at night.

A confident 7 guy can still get a 9 or 10 girl, its gonna require more effort (and a little bit of luck) to obtain than it would for a confident 9 hunk.


Its basic Gunwitch philosphy and social matching theory.
Whether we like it or not, "leagues" do exist and like khan-x states "water seeks its own level"
A 4 or 5 guy can game all the 9's or 10's he wants, and thats fine, more power to him. But its gonna mean a lot more rejections, a lot more sh*t tests, a lot more coaxing, a lot more flaking, and just plain more f*cking work than if he had just settled for a much more willing 7 or 6.

Speaking just evolutionwise, he is not the ideal male for his "ideal famale." Mismatch.

Besides, how would feel if you were an 8 guy and were approached and hit on by a 4 or 5 female who believed that she was entitled to a guy like you. creeped out...Girls feel the exact same away.

 

[piranha45]

so to clarify, as far as women go in evaluating men, I ask is it:

looks = 67%
personality = 33%

or is it more like

looks = 75%
personality = 25%?

 

[Charm&Style]

Its more like this:

I have hot gf.

We make reproduction on floor.

peace

/

 

[izza]

Looks matter even LESS than I think.

LOL, this is a classic example of a debate that has no final answer (since it varies from chick to chick). Even if it had an answer, it wouldn't do anybody any good to know it, since the task at hand would be exactly the same: improve yourself.

There is no purpose to discussing this thread. Seriously! But I will tell you why some of you are.

Basically, it comes down to a bunch of funny-looking guys who say "there's no hope, there's no point, I am ugly and nobody will ever love me." They are looking for a good reason to just give up, and go home. They don't want to struggle anymore.

Good news, friends. Life shouldn't be a struggle. Getting what you want should be effortless.

Keep your eyes peeled in the coming days. I'm running an experiment. If it works on me, I'll post it. I am extremely self-destructive and I'm ugly like a horse... if this works on me, it may even work for you.

 

[Khan-X]

Deus wrote:

Bunch of stuff

Look, it really isn't rocket science: Do you want to bed women that aren't good looking? Bet you don't. Well women don't want to bed guys that aren't good looking either. Let's say you were some extremely handsome guy...would you even consider beding non-hot girls? Hell no. Well, beautiful women aren't (physically) interested in non-handsome guys. I mean, c'mon guys. That's how it is. That's how it work, it's nature. It's being an hypocrite when you say you're not good looking but you still think you deserve a beautiful girl.

The ugly guy-hot women pair you mentionned is basically a high class escort...Wake up. Do you want to seduce women or do you just want to learn to pick up high profile prostitute? From what you wrote it's not clear, because every "counter examples" you gave basically came down to one thing: money...Yeah ok, an average guy can pick up an high class prostitute...Big freaking news flash.

Yet look is still number one, because every women prefers a good looking man.

Pretty sad to see a bunch of deluded ugly guys all going: "L00k d0nt mater cuz it's u r personality tath c0unt"

Besides, how would feel if you were an 8 guy and were approached and hit on by a 4 or 5 female who believed that she was entitled to a guy like you. creeped out...Girls feel the exact same away.

I feel surprised

The (honest) answer you would looking for was: I wouldn't f*ck her. And nether would the 9 girl f*ck the 5 or 6 guy. Not even consider it. Not even think about it. Just not happening dude.

ain't the same ****in' ballpark, it ain't the same league, it ain't even the same ****in' sport

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No, you c'mon. You just told me that behaving normally in public trumps looks. Oops.

Dude don't take this the wrong way but you're not very intelligent. Seriously, that's a retarded reasonning. Behaving normally is waaaaayy down the list of what attracts women, let me repeat: waaaaaay down the list (since the extreme majority of people behaves normally anyway) it's still needed though. Doesn't mean in any way, shape or form that it "trump looks".

You could just a well say that you also need two legs if you ever hope to attract a hot girl. Then what will you say? "OMG having 2 l3gs trump l00ks" ? Wff? lol

Lust isn't an emotion

The hell it's not. It's a basic emotion just like fear,anger,joy are basic human emotions.

Its basic Gunwitch philosphy and social matching theory.
Whether we like it or not, "leagues" do exist and like khan-x states "water seeks its own level"

Yep.

 

[Khan-X]

Good news, friends. Life shouldn't be a struggle. Getting what you want should be effortless.

Very well said izza. If you're actually struggling at doing something, then it may be time to quite doing whatever you're doing and find something else. That's nature's cue, you know.

It's one thing to put effort into something...No one is actually expecting a guy like Pelé to take a soccer for the first time and just be the greatest player of all time like that without efforts... but if you're actually struggling while playing soccer then it's time to quite man. It's true, you're not supposed to be struggling. Whenever you're struggling -be it a sports, seducing hot women or in life in general, then that's your cue that it's time to quit. lol

Basically it means you got no talents in those particular things. That doesn't mean you can't do other things successfully though. Some of you guys aren't good in sports but do fine at being couch potatoes. Some guys coundn't seduce a beautiful women if their life depended on it but they do just finewith average women. Some guys just aren't good at life but they do a damn job being dead lol

And again, I want to make the distinction between effort and downright struggling. It does take effort to accomplish your goals.

 

[Ripper]

thread considered from emotional perspective

Premise: Women are emotional creatures. Ultimately all that matters are their feelings.

I think everyone on this board can safely agree on this. Uncontestable.

Good looks are a way of giving women a good feeling. However they are not the only way. A women can still achieve those feelings through other means. For instance her man might be not that good looking but he may have money and thus a pretty house(s) that is(are) the envy of other women.

Therefore, good looks are important to women in so far as they indicate value.

The best analogy is of a woman wanting to feel the emotion of 'being protected'. Now, a strapping 6'3" 300lb linebacker could quite obviously make her feel this. However, that's not to say that a short guy can't make her feel protected...it's just that he can't do it immediately like the linebacker can. Therefore the linebacker is more attractive as far as looks are concerned because he can make her feel protected instantaneously. All she has to do is be in his company. The short guy needs time for her to feel this.

Therefore, I guess the final conclusion is that looks generate good feelings in women instantaneously (much like a guy with money treating his wife to a dinner at the Ritz). Guys without those looks can still generate those feelings, they just have to use other methods and need time to implement them.

 

[Khan-X]

All ego aside, I have yet to meet a girl that didn't describe me as "extremely handsome" or a synonym thereof

So now the only women ugly men can attain are "whack jobs" with "bizaare tastes"? Gotcha. Time for the ol' "agree to disagree" route I think?

(And yes, before you blow another fuss, you wroted the above)

You obviously wrote this, and dozens of other post like this because you're ugly yourself.Period. So just when this unsual habit of defending ugly (which you so obviously don't belong to) started anyway? A weird habit you must concede... lol


Look dude, I'm not here to pass judgment. Ultimately,if you want to be deluded, go ahead.

But the fact remains: a good deal of your posts consist of advocating that "l00k doesn't matttter!1!!!". Then when (you think) someone attack you on your lack of good looks you respond by using the most typical dimwited reaction of all: denial."oh yeah wellll im sUper atttractive!!1! You have: quote: "yet to meet a girl that didn't find you extremely handsome" did all those women thought you were "extremely handsome" when you were (are?) a skinny 147 pounder? (yes, I wrote the exact number so you don't blow another fuss). Just how pathetic can you be?

Here's a type Ugly, next time: try something more...I don't know, CONSERVATIVE (you like conservatives right?) Like "Actually, I do pretty well with the ladies and they HAVE told me on a few occasions that they find me quite attractive" You know? Somethin' like that... But instead you shoot yourself in the foot by exposing yourself for what you are even more...

You stole my insult

No I didn't. Man you have some serious issues... Believe it or not you're not the first to imitate pseudo-"L33t" writing. Again, the f*ck?

Oh, and I'm not ugly

That comment was originally not adressed to you actually. But thank you for confirming my suspicion anyway. Look, you're not attractive, that's the reason you've been so vocal that "l00k doesn't matter". That's YOUR reality. But there's no reason to shout it in other's people face when it's not THEIR reality and when it's just plain no true that an unattractive man can hope to attract a beautiful women.Not gonna happen (not for them anyway). Maybe it made life livable for you by believing this lie but what you do is you're giving other unattractive men like you false hope. And that's not right man.

[Neither are most of my legions of supporters. So there goes that.[/quote]
LOLS "Legions of supporters" You're delusional dude.


quote]I only bring this up when someone attacks my intelligence, but I passed the Mensa exam.[/quote] Lol LOLS ROTFL! LOL!!!!! Look at the moron! Somebody make him stop!! He's doing it again! LOLOLOL!!!!! Awww...thanks for the laugh...Now I'm gonna say that he most likely doesn't have anything more than an High school education (perhaps even HS dropout) and watch...in amazement as he try to convince us that he actually has a Master thesis from Harvard

Now you're starting to get it. So far you've listed "Behaving normally in public", and "Having 2 legs" above looks. Keep 'em coming, so far we have looks down to number 3.

You ARE dense...I mean I don't even know why I'm responding to this idiot (other for the sheer entertainment factor maybe). How can somebody but this moronic I have no idea...Did you even completed Primary school? No kidding man, spelling "reasoning" correctly doesn't make yours any-less-re-tar-ded...Seriously. A woman may require a guy to have a job, and she may require that a guy is good looking, and she may require that he speak the same language etc...These are ALL crucial non-negotiable factors for her. But it doesn't make look drop a position each time wtf is that?

And you misquoted me several f'ucking times, big guy. I didn't mention that Pulp Fiction line, and I would NEVER bring up some gayass s'hit as the "Gunwitch" method. You've got the wrong guy. Don't misquote me again; .

Forgot to take your medication, heh buddy? The Pulp Fiction quote was obviously not from you,nutcase. You talk tough on the internet but I bet you're not so tough irl. And I never even mentionned "Gunwitch",freak.

My suspicion were right. You're unattractive (probably nothing you can do). You'll have to make do with unattractive girls, or extremely plain janes at best. Tough but that's life.

I can't imagine the view from rock bottom is very pleasant

You should know about that, judging from your posting history.
*Raise voice* How is it down there?! Have fun being at the botom of the barel dude...I'm done talking to this sad case.

 

[God_of_getting_layed]

*sigh* Responses in bold.



By the way, what place do you live in where only attractive men have a chance with attractive women? I'd like to take a tour there to see some very surreal s'hit. That'd be so odd, heh.

uh, yeah, the last time you say a hot chick with a guy, good looking or not (to you), she saw him as attractive. We do live in that world, its just not how you think it is. Your assuming that "good looks" is universal. As if a good looking guy will be good looking to all women and an ugly guy will be ugly to all women. You look around and see average looking guys (to you) with hot babes, and conclude we dont live in such a world based on that observation, fact is we do. In this world, it aint like that, good looking guys are ugly to some women and ugly guys are good looking to some women. The thing is, the guy has to be seen as good looking in the woman's eyes, thats the big twist alot of you cant seem to grasp. I know the idea that a guy can be ugly to some and good looking to others at the same time is overwhelming, and it throws you off and makes skips theory seem counterintuitive, but hopefully it will sink in someday.

 

[skip2mylou781]

this was initially made to be MY thread and then merged with something kinda useless..........please all, somehow go read what I said in the beginning of my thread....do a search or something because what i said is the most important thing u will hear on the looks debate!

 

[skip2mylou781]

its right here, response # 736

****IN READ IT - u will not read anythign more important about looks than this