LIE to get LAID

[saber]

dammit luke!

Another thread gone down the drain because of you....in the future do not post in my threads EVER!!!!

Of course I have no ill will against you but you can't think for yourself and I have no interest in what your parents opinions would be about my thread.

Please dont respond to this message...I dont care...go away


As for the subject of lying someone made a good point saying girls tell small lies and with hold tons of info which in my opinion is lying

Im gonna try not to crutch my game on lies but yah I guess I shouldn't care if it means seal'n the deal

 

[The Inside Man]

it all depends if you have a sense of self respect, decency, or values that are worth sacrificing to make up something about yourself to have sex. Or you could lead a life that is exciting enough to not have to lie or say "I love you" to get in some airhead teenagers pants.

 

[Bible_Belt]

You know what, Bible_Belt, I am going to quote some verses - especially for that one.

This is what Jesus said about the devil being the father of lies.

John 8:44 "You are of your father the Devil, and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning and abode not int the truth, because THERE IS NO TRUTH IN HIM. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

Jesus said - the devil is the father of lies, and anyone who has to lie has the devil as his/her father because that's all the devil really is about.

You want to deny a direct quote that Jesus said?

OK, I give you credit on the 'father of lies' technicality. This is why debate is worthwhile; it makes me go back and read it. But you're still about 98% wrong. In the verse that you quoted, Jesus was talking to the Pharisees who denied him and whose name has become a metaphor for judgemental ass_hole. Looking down on other people for being sinful and unholy was what the Pharisees did. But today we have you and every other Ned Flanders who have turned Christianity into something that resembles the message of Jesus' enemies - judgement, condemnation, and hypocrisy.

Show me the part the says premarital sex is immoral. Have you even looked? And adultery is not the same as premarital sex, because adultery is the breaking of marital vows. Two unmarried people can't commit adultery.

Jesus may have made some serious comments about lust, but for lying - He's reserved His most severe comments - saying the devil is the father of liars - that's severe.

Read 1 Samuel 16 - God actually tells Samuel to lie to people. I agree that lying and deceit are generally frowned upon, but I don't think that white lies to women to get laid are any big deal.

Regardless of our different interpretations of the Bible, the holier-than-thou act will get you nowhere with women. It's just another excuse to make yourself feel better about failing with girls. The people are on this site are some of the best friends you have, whether you realize it or not, because they will call you on your bvllsh!t. Rather than play a violin song for your woe-is-me sob story about being too moral to get laid, people here will actually help you solve your problems.

ps - my hand smells like pvssy as I type this. It's a good smell. You should check it out sometime.

 

[wolf116]

@BB- OMG I'm going out to buy the bible now that I know this. I always thought the bible and church tort the same thing.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

OK, I give you credit on the 'father of lies' technicality. This is why debate is worthwhile; it makes me go back and read it. But you're still about 98% wrong. In the verse that you quoted, Jesus was talking to the Pharisees who denied him and whose name has become a metaphor for judgemental ass_hole. Looking down on other people for being sinful and unholy was what the Pharisees did. But today we have you and every other Ned Flanders who have turned Christianity into something that resembles the message of Jesus' enemies - judgement, condemnation, and hypocrisy.

The context of that particular chapter refers to the claims of WHO Jesus is. The fact is the law and the prophets both pointed to Jesus as the messiah, but the Pharisees did not recognize that, despite the witness of John the Baptist and the obvious miracles Jesus was doing and fact He did not sin at any point in His life.

Fact is they wanted to kill Jesus for His claim of equality with God and for healing on the Sabbath day and they were called on their murderous and lying spirit.


In fact, not just this passage, but there are other passages that talk about lying in scripture which I'm going to quote as follows to add further context and clarification to what Jesus is saying:

Proverbs 6:16-17 - lying is mentioned as the second thing the Lord hates, the first being pride.

Revelation 21:8 "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and wh0remongers, and sorcers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

In context of the Pharisees - the denial of Christ constitutes a lie - because Jesus is the Christ (1 John 2:22). Since the Pharisees denied Jesus was the Christ, they had lied about who Christ was, and rather than their father being Abraham as they claimed, Jesus is saying their father was the devil since the devil is the father of lies. Those who recognize Jesus as Christ and confess Him and Lord and Saviour have the truth anything apart from Jesus is a lie.

Show me the part the says premarital sex is immoral. Have you even looked? And adultery is not the same as premarital sex, because adultery is the breaking of marital vows. Two unmarried people can't commit adultery.

1 Corinthians 7:2 "Nevertheless to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband."
vs. 8-9 "I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I. But if they cannot containa, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn."

Notice Paul says, marriage is the solution to fornication - he didn't talk about Christians just having sex with each other and not going to pagan temple prostitutes, he's talking about Christians of opposite sex marrying each other

1 Thessolians 4:3-4 "For this is the Will of God, even your Sanctification, that you should abstain from fornication. That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in Sanctification and honour. Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as th eGentiles which know not God".

There you go - pre-maritial sex is an example of fornication, uncleanliness and sexual idolatry - the solution for those who are too horney to contain is is to get married and have one spouce.

There is no part of Paul's letters where it takes any permissive view that fornication is tolerated in the Christian life, but it's listed as a sin unto death if is habitually practised.

Jesus may have made some serious comments about lust, but for lying - He's reserved His most severe comments - saying the devil is the father of liars - that's severe.

Read 1 Samuel 16 - God actually tells Samuel to lie to people. I agree that lying and deceit are generally frowned upon, but I don't think that white lies to women to get laid are any big deal.

I've just read 1 Samuel 16 - didn't find anything. Any specific verse you are referring to?

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Regardless of our different interpretations of the Bible, the holier-than-thou act will get you nowhere with women. It's just another excuse to make yourself feel better about failing with girls. The people are on this site are some of the best friends you have, whether you realize it or not, because they will call you on your bvllsh!t. Rather than play a violin song for your woe-is-me sob story about being too moral to get laid, people here will actually help you solve your problems.

ps - my hand smells like pvssy as I type this. It's a good smell. You should check it out sometime.

I've already posted on this thread that I have a 'weak-spot' that's premised on the fact that, as you said, I cant find a wife or nobody wants to marry me, and I want to have sex, then there is no solution such as marriage and indirectly that part in Corinthians could also be construed to imply that if you cant get married then there is no alternative to fornicating.

My idea is masturbation is better than fornicating, and fornicating is better than allot of other bad things since it's sort of a victimless act, assuming nobody is lying about STD's - which is the only lie I'd see as criminal since we dont have the luxury of testing everyone for AIDS before doing it, right?

That's the only arguement I can work with if you want to get through to me.
For example, last year I charged that I never had a girlfriend before and only had bad experiences with girls, therefore I allowed myself to go on adultfriendfinder to look for a casual hook-up - but then it was aborted because I realized I may be defiling my body if I really succeed with it. I meet what appeared to be a girlfriend afterwards, but she has now faded and it's back to square one. So, in that sence I agree, if God doesn't care if I get a wife enough to answer my own prayers and I want to relieve myself then sure, that's a weak-area - but notice I'm not going to twist scriptures - it's going more on a premise of pure frustration.

At the end of the day - my dad, who was not a Christian helped stopped that hook-up since the person I was meeting was a skank. Unfortunately, I cant seem to get laid with normal girls, because there are too many 'game-issues' involved to compound this with my own unsettled internal conflicts - so I'd have go with a zero-game case so at least I dont have any compounding variables further than my own internal-conflicts about it.

It's an arguement that will be considered on February 3, 2008, not now, since I must observe and grade all interactions right now to make a case that it's impossible for me to get married since nobody wants me.

 

[Bible_Belt]

It's the first verse, Samuel is worried Saul will kill him, so God tells him to lie to everyone.

I said lying was frowned upon; that's no surprise. I just don't think white lies to some chick count. When people ask "how are you?" and you feel lousy, do you tell them "ok?" Is that a lie, too?


1 Corinthians 7:2 "Nevertheless to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband."

Notice Paul says, marriage is the solution to fornication - he didn't talk about Christians just having sex with each other and not going to pagan temple prostitutes, he's talking about Christians of opposite sex marrying each other

1 Corinthians 7:2 (New International Version)
But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband.

Do you see how much difference one word makes? That's the NIV translation of that verse. I thought 'fornication' looked odd. The word can't be that important if it is translated differently.

You still don't get it that Paul was talking about Corinth's Aprodite orgies. Just because he does not come out and say 'stop the orgies to Aphrorodite' does not mean that not what he's talking about. That's the point of the letters to Corinth, to get them off the Pagan worship. But now, almost 2000 years later, you and the Church people have misread Corinthians to be a ban on sex. This is all Church foolishness, Luke. Those people will have you get married to the first girl who wants to do you, then never use birth control and teach her that sex is a dirty thing not to be enjoyed and a necessary evil to be used only for making kids, contrary btw to the Song of Solomon. You really don't want that life.

 

[Bible_Belt]

it's impossible for me to get married since nobody wants me.

There's the first line of mental bs that you need to drop.

Why don't you just go hang out with Church people? I know I rip on Church a lot, but it is valuable as a social tool. fwiw, I met a HB9+ off christianmingle.com - who was hotter than anyone I ever met off AFF. You don't need AFF, btw, Internet girls are easy enough.

Your problems are not with you, so much as they are with your own perception of yourself. The good news is that the problems that are holding you back can all be changed.

I don't see how sex is defiling yourself any more than porn and wanking. Again, read the Song of Solomon. Sex is a gift, and a good thing if used responsibly.

Your problems are with your attitude. Every Sunday at your local church, there will be at least dozens of attractive young women who, like you, think that they can't get someone because of their Christian beliefs.

 

[Sir Juanalot]

Since we are quoting scripture.

I Corinthians 14:33-35
As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission.

Do you think women should be silent?

I Peter 2:18
Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.

Do you agree with slavery?

I Corinthians 11:6
If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head.

? well... waiting for this one..

Mark 10:11-12
Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery against her; and if she divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery.

So, thats more of us fooked.

James 4:17
Those who know the good they ought to do and do not do it, sin.

Well, we are all fooked...

Ezekiel 39:10
They shall spoil those that spoiled them, and rob those that robben them, saith the Lord God.

So, thou shalt not steal? oh wait...

Leviticus 24:16
"He that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him."

Oh, thou shalt not kill? oh..

Leviticus 20:14 And if a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire, both he and they; that there be no wickedness among you.

Man, who would want to sleep with their mother in law?!

I think the only religious commandment people should obey is

"Thou shalt keep they religion to thyself!"

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/index.htm

 

[Luke Skywalker]

It's the first verse, Samuel is worried Saul will kill him, so God tells him to lie to everyone.

I said lying was frowned upon; that's no surprise. I just don't think white lies to some chick count. When people ask "how are you?" and you feel lousy, do you tell them "ok?" Is that a lie, too?

1 Samuel 16 "And the LORD said unto Samuel How long will you mourn for Saul, seeing I have rejected him from reigning over Israel? fill your horn with oil, and go, I will send you to Jessee the Bethlehemite: for I have provided Me a king among his sons."

I've checked that chapter in verse in Samuel and it's not there.

When lying about sex - we are talking about two classes of lies:
1) Making a pretense that there is something and she could have a relationship if there is sex, when in reality there is not, and you just intend to use the person for sex and move on after it's over.
2) Knowing you have a life-threatening STD and either totally lying about it or failing to disclose it when you know that would be a deal-breaker.

Neither of those above lies are harmless white lies as you portray them to be.

While I dont care much about the former because I can understand that people play games and we've all been burned by someone so you are either a winner or a loser in the context of the game and have to take losing in stride and learn to be a winner, even if lying is involved to get there in a Macavellian sence - so all is fair in love, war and sex - if you want to take that attitude - but the last one sounds just a tad more dangerous.

However, sure, if it's something that will berate a girl, insult her or turn her off, then it's just tactful not to say something that will upset someone to turn them against you even if it's true.

1 Corinthians 7:2 "Nevertheless to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband."

Notice Paul says, marriage is the solution to fornication - he didn't talk about Christians just having sex with each other and not going to pagan temple prostitutes, he's talking about Christians of opposite sex marrying each other

1 Corinthians 7:2 (New International Version)
But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband.

No reference to lying here.

So what's your point? Lying is mentioned in other places in the Bible.

Do you see how much difference one word makes? That's the NIV translation of that verse. I thought 'fornication' looked odd. The word can't be that important if it is translated differently.

You still don't get it that Paul was talking about Corinth's Aprodite orgies. Just because he does not come out and say 'stop the orgies to Aphrorodite' does not mean that not what he's talking about. That's the point of the letters to Corinth, to get them off the Pagan worship. But now, almost 2000 years later, you and the Church people have misread Corinthians to be a ban on sex. This is all Church foolishness, Luke. Those people will have you get married to the first girl who wants to do you, then never use birth control and teach her that sex is a dirty thing not to be enjoyed and a necessary evil to be used only for making kids, contrary btw to the Song of Solomon. You really don't want that life.

I dont buy into the NIV version as it's a false bible copy. The KJV version is the only true bible since it came from the orginal manuscripts. Some versions even deny the deity of Christ as always existing as in John 1:1.

Furthermore, you have to check the intent - again, nowhere in the bible does it encourage having pre-maritial sex and in fact, it discourages it all throughout the new testament.

Paul says it's good for a man not to touch a woman. Jesus said looking at a woman lustfully could be construed as sinful. For purposes of sanctification and holiness one should stay away from sex, ect.....

Furthermore - if in doubt as to interpretation - just consult with a true born-again Christian believer that has surrender his/her life totally to Christ without compromise and they will not feel comfortable about the idea with sex without marriage - it wont be helpful for their spiritual growth in the Lord.
Again, it all depends on level of concecration and spiritual commitment and convictions - you can check the lifestyle of anyone who is serious about the Lord and they are going to stay away from pre-maritial sex like the plague.

Even if your arguement is correct - which is a long-shot conveniant sort of arguement - all things may be possible, but not everything is profitable. There is no spiritual profit in that type of lifestyle as it doesn't lead you or anyone else closer to God but further away.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

it's impossible for me to get married since nobody wants me.

There's the first line of mental bs that you need to drop.

The problem is I am not acknowleding that 'mental bs' as you call it at this time, since it's not acknowledged now, I cant deal with it. I said that's how I felt a year ago - when it was in force to do something or deal with it back then.

As I've said, I've had positive experiences with girls in my life between March 3rd to October 25th/07 this year and signed off on it.

I can only deal with current issues, not issues that occurred a year ago, even if they are still latent or unresolved.

I'm going to have to end this discussion for now until I determine that there is a problem - which will be on February 3rd, 2007.

 

[Bible_Belt]

1 Samuel 16 "And the LORD said unto Samuel How long will you mourn for Saul, seeing I have rejected him from reigning over Israel? fill your horn with oil, and go, I will send you to Jessee the Bethlehemite: for I have provided Me a king among his sons."

I've checked that chapter in verse in Samuel and it's not there.

When lying about sex - we are talking about two classes of lies:
1) Making a pretense that there is something and she could have a relationship if there is sex, when in reality there is not, and you just intend to use the person for sex and move on after it's over.
2) Knowing you have a life-threatening STD and either totally lying about it or failing to disclose it when you know that would be a deal-breaker.

Neither of those above lies are harmless white lies as you portray them to be.

While I dont care much about the former because I can understand that people play games and we've all been burned by someone so you are either a winner or a loser in the context of the game and have to take losing in stride and learn to be a winner, even if lying is involved to get there in a Macavellian sence - so all is fair in love, war and sex - if you want to take that attitude - but the last one sounds just a tad more dangerous.

However, sure, if it's something that will berate a girl, insult her or turn her off, then it's just tactful not to say something that will upset someone to turn them against you even if it's true.





So what's your point? Lying is mentioned in other places in the Bible.



I dont buy into the NIV version as it's a false bible copy. The KJV version is the only true bible since it came from the orginal manuscripts. Some versions even deny the deity of Christ as always existing as in John 1:1.

Furthermore, you have to check the intent - again, nowhere in the bible does it encourage having pre-maritial sex and in fact, it discourages it all throughout the new testament.

Paul says it's good for a man not to touch a woman. Jesus said looking at a woman lustfully could be construed as sinful. For purposes of sanctification and holiness one should stay away from sex, ect.....

Furthermore - if in doubt as to interpretation - just consult with a true born-again Christian believer that has surrender his/her life totally to Christ without compromise and they will not feel comfortable about the idea with sex without marriage - it wont be helpful for their spiritual growth in the Lord.
Again, it all depends on level of concecration and spiritual commitment and convictions - you can check the lifestyle of anyone who is serious about the Lord and they are going to stay away from pre-maritial sex like the plague.

Even if your arguement is correct - which is a long-shot conveniant sort of arguement - all things may be possible, but not everything is profitable. There is no spiritual profit in that type of lifestyle as it doesn't lead you or anyone else closer to God but further away.

Now you're being nutty. NIV is a "false translation?" That is the first I have ever heard of that. And the KJV is the only "real" translation? That's ridiculous - the KGV was written to apease the royal circles; it is the worst Bible translation, because it tries to make the Bible sound pretentious and flowery. But the Church loves the KGV because it is the most cryptic translation, and thus requires the church people to translate it for you, in a convenient way that benefits them.

just consult with a true born-again Christian believer that has surrender his/her life totally to Christ without compromise and they will not feel comfortable about the idea with sex without marriage

I don't even know where to begin with this. Who's a "true" believer? You because you don't have sex? Are you even begining to imply that Christians who have sex are not real Christians? Furthermore, those saintly "true Christians" are just as sinful as anyone else. No lowly human is anything to be admired. You seem to be ranking people in your head by your approval of their level of faith. That is everything that being Christian is not about. Not judging who is unholy and holy is a much larger part of Christianity than rules about lying and sex.

1) Making a pretense that there is something and she could have a relationship if there is sex, when in reality there is not, and you just intend to use the person for sex and move on after it's over.

Yeah, it's called "dating," and everyone here is doing it. Believe it or not, a lot of women like being used for sex. They want to think that they can attract a guy through sex and hook him into a relationship. This is the game we play. But how could you think you want a LTR if you haven't had sex with her? You're putting every girl on a pedestal before you even get started. btw, worshipping the poontang is what the followers of Aphrodite did. It's just sex - you're making way too big of a deal about it. The same with STDs - you are not going to get a life-threatening std, ok? More people died of staph infections last year than AIDS. I've had a couple of STDs - and it is no big deal. Hell, I married a woman with herpes and had sex with her for seven years, without ever getting herpes. Stop worrying about STDs - that's just another excuse you make with yourself to excuse not getting laid.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLfpian_dCQ

 

[Luke Skywalker]

I don't even know where to begin with this. Who's a "true" believer? You because you don't have sex? Are you even begining to imply that Christians who have sex are not real Christians? Furthermore, those saintly "true Christians" are just as sinful as anyone else. No lowly human is anything to be admired. You seem to be ranking people in your head by your approval of their level of faith. That is everything that being Christian is not about. Not judging who is unholy and holy is a much larger part of Christianity than rules about lying and sex.

Obviously you do not have a clue what I am talking about.

I'm talking about a Spirit-filled believer that's totally sold out to the Lord that wants to live a lifestyle that is pleasing to God. Either you have never come across one therefore you just know 'nominal Christianity'. Those are the type of people you probably branded as fanatics or Jesus freaks or fundamentalists.

But, you can see when someone has a real passion for Jesus and how they are talking and behaving - that they have had a real connection with God and are telling other people about Jesus and live for doing just that. Now, if you cant picture what I'm talking about I'm wasting my time.

1) Making a pretense that there is something and she could have a relationship if there is sex, when in reality there is not, and you just intend to use the person for sex and move on after it's over.

Yeah, it's called "dating," and everyone here is doing it. Believe it or not, a lot of women like being used for sex. They want to think that they can attract a guy through sex and hook him into a relationship. This is the game we play. But how could you think you want a LTR if you haven't had sex with her? You're putting every girl on a pedestal before you even get started. btw, worshipping the poontang is what the followers of Aphrodite did. It's just sex - you're making way too big of a deal about it. The same with STDs - you are not going to get a life-threatening std, ok? More people died of staph infections last year than AIDS. I've had a couple of STDs - and it is no big deal. Hell, I married a woman with herpes and had sex with her for seven years, without ever getting herpes. Stop worrying about STDs - that's just another excuse you make with yourself to excuse not getting laid.

A couple of STD's no big deal. Ok.

Anyway, sure if a girl is attracted to you and virtually throwing herself at you, and says she likes 'yellow and gets turned on by people that likes yellow' and you say you like 'yellow' too instead of red, then whatever.

 

[Grand Wizzard Alamar]

A couple of STD's no big deal.

Anyone who thinks this is retarded.
You'd trade your good health for some pvssy?

Whether you are religious or not, STDs plague us because of the poor judgement of mankind. God punished us for our stupidity, but God does not interfere directly with the course of life.

Risking your health is like picking the forbidden fruit.
You'd die for a late night feel good?

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Risking your health is like picking the forbidden fruit.
You'd die for a late night feel good?

That's what I thought. I'd imagine you'd have to be in a depression, have a death-wish, or be in a suicidal mood to think that way - assuming you are sober. If drunk, I guess anything can happen.

 

[aliasguy]

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Luke, dude, why are you even reading/posing on this site?

You're tempting yourself.

I'm gonna tell Jesus on you.

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[Luke Skywalker]

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Luke, dude, why are you even reading/posing on this site?

You're tempting yourself.

I'm gonna tell Jesus on you.

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With the luck I have with girls I'm temptation-proof.

 

[aliasguy]

Anyone who thinks this is retarded.
You'd trade your good health for some pvssy?

Whether you are religious or not, STDs plague us because of the poor judgement of mankind. God punished us for our stupidity, but God does not interfere directly with the course of life.

Risking your health is like picking the forbidden fruit.
You'd die for a late night feel good?

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Wow. God punishes us for STUPIDITY?

I was taught that the wages of sin were DEATH, but I didn't know that God and jesus were keeping track of my dumbass moves with CHICKS.

DAMN.
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[Grand Wizzard Alamar]

Wow. God punishes us for STUPIDITY?

No, I was referring to a specific event..