RiiiightDanger said:
We are just supposed to believe nothing was going on when her peers even said they noticed things and called their relationship gross. Ok, whatever you say.Of course a big part of this is about age. A kid doing something with another kid is seen as ok because they are PEERS. This guy is not her peer. He is an authority figure who misused his power and seems to be capitalizing on the naivety of a dumb teenage kid hes known since freshman year.zekko said:
Again, stop using different time periods to stick up for this guy. Back in the day a lot of things were seen as ok...but that doesnt mean they were necessarily right. I personally think Elvis was a creeper for sniffing around a 14 year old when he was a 24 year old man who could have gotten a lot of nice fully developed women.
Only male lives endangered? I love how people keep ignoring the fact that he bailed on a wife and kids. So the males life isnt the only one who will be negatively impacted. Im really wondering how his daughter will turn out. Think about the affects this can have on a 16 or 17 year old kid.
What should be offensive to all is that this guy began marking his territory with this girl when he was 37 and she was 14. But instead, when that is brought up, some people here try to deflect that by citing things like the Bible and Elvis wanting to marry Priscilla when she was 14. Then the strawman argument bleeds into the issue of cultural relativity. "Society accepted it at one time, but not anymore...so it's only not ok now because lawmakers decided it so....but male biology predates all of these modern laws, etc..." That line of defense is not unparallel to when actual pedophiles cite miscegenation laws that were in place until 1967 or so, and how interracial marriage is perfectly legal today. "If that was considered 'deviance' back then but no longer is, then it's only a matter of time before society accepts romantic relationships between adult and child."davewe said:
You're entitled to your OPINION but do realize that this in itself is a classical example of a straw man argument.AlNess said:
Now you're talking about 13 year olds.Jaylan said:
I wasn't talking about different time periods, I was talking about present day India. Half the women marry before age 18. That's over half a billion people!Jaylan said:
Irrelevant. If child molesters argued that 2+2=4, that wouldn't make the equation false.AlNess said:
If this guy should be hung Elvis should have been hung. Was Priscilla damaged by her relationship with Elvis, or did her life benefit?AlNess said:
If we go purely by logic and forget the knee jerk emotional reactions, nature would seem to indicate that girls are ready for sex when they develop their secondary sex characteristics. Perhaps people should be mad at God or nature for making this "mistake". Maybe we should inject girls with hormone inhibiters until they are 16, or 18, or 21, or whenever the guys on the forum think is appropriate.DownLow said:
So is that to support the saying "old enough to bleed, old enough to breed?"samspade said:
Here's the distinction: when I was 13, there was no 36-year-old woman starting a romantic relationship with me. THAT would be grooming me for sex.
There is just no reason for a 37-year-old man to be texting a 14-year-old. None whatsoever. Not to mention the man was a teacher...
The point you're missing is that child molestors cite old laws against interracial dating (and the striking down thereof) as a way of justifying their own deviance. "It was seen as wrong then, but it's socially acceptable now....so perhaps one day they'll find what I'm into to be acceptable, too." Some people here are citing previous social acceptance of grown man/young teen girl relationships in America to make a case for a middle-aged man sparking up a relationship with a 15-year old in this day and age. I find this disturbing.zekko said:
YOU checked out 12- and 13-year-olds who developed early when you were 12 and 13.AlNess said:
Are you kidding me? When I was 10 my attention was FIXED on those 14-16 y/o girls! I didn't care about ten y/o girls. I could hardly wait to "grow up"!Jaylan said:
Sure...when I was 12 and 13.Down Low said:
Actually, I didn't; and this is someone who has picked up his wife -- a junior high school teacher -- at work many times. But now since you've mentioned it, and since you're convinced that every man does what you've just accused me of doing, then is that to say that YOU, at age 52, find yourself checking out and enjoying the sight of 12-year-olds who show signs of early physical development?
NAMBLA supporters say the same thing in an attempt to normalize THEIR deviance, too.
Riiiight....because every "normal" man gets sexually aroused by the sight and thought of 12-year-old girls who show early physical development, right? So have you ever caught yourself checking out a friend's 12- or 13-year-old daughter? Would you nudge that buddy of yours while cruising and say "Look at the rack on THAT one?"
I think THAT answers my last 2 questions up there perfectly.
That depends on what region of the world you happen to be in. In Sweden it's 15, in the UK it's 16, in Spain it's 13 and in the U.S. it depends on the state you happen to reside in, normally ranging anywhere from 16 - 18. For the most part I don't think society has much business trying to dictate what constitutes an adult as everyone reaches adulthood at different stages of their lives once puberty is reached. Relations between younger females and significantly older males have been happening since the beginning of time and it's not just going to stop simply because certain members of society are offended. I'm sure relations between older men and younger females happen a lot more often then we think but people tend to keep quiet about it. Remember it's women who decide on whether they'd like to establish a relationship and keep it going. Not men.disgustipated said:
17 is NOT a child. I don't mean to knock your post man but do you expect your niece to magically turn into an adult the night before her 18th birthday? What are you defending her from? Predatory males? You never know but she may even be more sexually experienced then 75% of males over the age of 25. It's a lot more common then you think.disgustipated said:
Centuries of societies trying to preserve a woman's virginity, white knighting and giving the illusion that women are pure and can never do any wrong combined with 60 years of uber feminism and laws that work against human nature would condition you to think with your emotions and lacking any logic. Again I'm not trying to be obnoxious here so I apologize if I'm coming off that way.disgustipated said:
Quit playing the heavily-exhausted feminism card, dude. It's not about "white knighthood" or feminist symphathies; not for me, anyway. My position on this topic primarily stems from my still-new experience of having a daughter. That has changed me in ways I never expected. When I was 22, admiring from afar the figure of a well-developed 16-year-old wouldn't have been farfetched for me, and I wouldn't have given much of a phukk about this topic. But when my daughter is 15, do you think I or any other father in a similar position would be able to just shrug off seeing a 55-year-old check his daughter out, non-chalantly chalking it up to "biological imperatives" and "alpha behavior?" Really, dude?? ANY dad in that position would want to curb-stomp the creep. Gimme a phukking break.samspade said:
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