Is a 41 y.o. man who gets an 18 y.o. woman a "master manipulator"?

[zekko]

So do you think it was appropriate 3-4 years ago when that guy, then age 37, was texting his new squeeze when she was 14? Granted, there was no sex then...but chances are he wasn't just checking up on her to make sure she was doing her homework. He was forging a personal relationship at some level.

I haven't read about this because the story doesn't interest me that much. It does sound strange in this day and age that an adult would be texting a 14 year old. But I don't actually know what was being texted, and as far as I know it isn't illegal.

Elvis Presley met his wife to be Priscilla when she was 14. He had an almost immediate intent to marry her, although he supposedly insisted on not having intercourse until the wedding night (she wanted to have the sex). They talked on the phone until she got a little older, and she moved in with him at Graceland while she was still under 18, until they eventually got married.
This raises some eyebrows, but I don't see Elvis being villified for this, or being called a child molester. This stuff happens.

 

[backbreaker]

I haven't read about this because the story doesn't interest me that much. It does sound strange in this day and age that an adult would be texting a 14 year old. But I don't actually know what was being texted, and as far as I know it isn't illegal.

Elvis Presley met his wife to be Priscilla when she was 14. He had an almost immediate intent to marry her, although he supposedly insisted on not having intercourse until the wedding night (she wanted to have the sex). They talked on the phone until she got a little older, and she moved in with him at Graceland while she was still under 18, until they eventually got married.
This raises some eyebrows, but I don't see Elvis being villified for this, or being called a child molester. This stuff happens.

which just goes to show jsut how brainwashed and feminisistic as well as condescending our society is.

when you are an alpha, male like evlis no one bats an eye

when you are an overweight teacher glasses you are a pedo lol.


i don't know maybe i have just OD'ed on red pills.f

if payton manning, went out today and said he was engaged to a 18 year old girl who he met 2 years ago and talked to a few times though never did anything sexually with, you wouldn't hear a freaking peep from anyone. hell you would have people encouraging him to hurry up and have kids so we can get more quarterbacks.

there is actually a justified reason for this. payton, being who he is, pretty much has his pick of the litter within a certain amount of reason. tall, smart, decent looking, rich as hell. if he is talking to an 16 year old, as long as he isn't doing anything illegal it's assumed that there is obviously something about this 16 year old that won him over so to speak since he can have anyone he wants. something must be special about her.


On the other hand, 41 year old teacher man, it's seen that this all he can get, he has to "pray on women" which is a fallacy because he's fvcking married lol. he obviously was able to secure something. it's not like a ****ty law and order episode where the dude is living in his basement collecting barbie dolls with pictures of girls pinned up on the wall while he masturbates. I'm not saying he has the choice that a true alpha has, just pointing out the illogical fallacies and how societies perceptions make us hardwired to jump to certain conclusions.



don't even get me started if that man was African american dating an 18 year old white male. congress would probably create laws just to convict him.

One of the AFC's main symptoms is the inabiltiy to think for himself / draw his own conclusions that are too far out of mainstream.


this has noting to do with morals and everything to do with image and everyone's social boundaries.


there is a different set of rules for alphas. literally.

 

[Down Low]

All of you on the pedophilia side of the discussion: go read up on the condition of women in the Muslim world. Or Gypsies, or Bukharian Jews, or such. Really dig into the matter. Research it thoroughly. Conduct personal interviews. Live the issue. THEN come back and tell us why this guy deserves to be made into a scapegoat.

 

[zekko]

when you are an alpha, male like evlis no one bats an eye
when you are an overweight teacher glasses you are a pedo lol.

Lol, it's funny because it's true.

if payton manning, went out today and said he was engaged to a 18 year old girl who he met 2 years ago and talked to a few times though never did anything sexually with, you wouldn't hear a freaking peep from anyone

Agreed.

By the way, I mentioned my niece who was pregnant and got married at 15. I think her husband was 19 at the time. I was 18. But I have no doubt my niece was more mature and worldly at 15 than I was at 18. Remember girls mature more quickly than boys. Not all young girls are innocent kids playing with crayons.

All of you on the pedophilia side of the discussion: go read up on the condition of women in the Muslim world. Or Gypsies, or Bukharian Jews, or such.

How about we take a look at the condition of women in the US today, and the state of male/female relations?

If this guy is guilty of something, it's statutory rape, not pedophilia. Pedophilia refers to prepubescent children, generally 13 and under. A 14 year old girl does not fall in that category (neither does an 18 year old girl, for that matter). If you're looking to be outraged about something, at least get your facts straight.

 

[mrRuckus]

Girls can't decide who to fvck but they can vote and choose who should run the country. OH, OKAY.

 

[Jaylan]

Girls can't decide who to fvck but they can vote and choose who should run the country. OH, OKAY.

Didnt know they could vote at 14 =/

All of you on the pedophilia side of the discussion: go read up on the condition of women in the Muslim world. Or Gypsies, or Bukharian Jews, or such. Really dig into the matter. Research it thoroughly. Conduct personal interviews. Live the issue. THEN come back and tell us why this guy deserves to be made into a scapegoat.

Strawman at its finest.

Whats that have to do with what we are talking about? Which is a grown azz man priming a 14 year old for sex. And just because they are saying nothing happened till 18 doesnt make it true. 10 bucks say when they break up in a year or so, that she confirms that stuff happened when she was a minor.

Oh wells...this dude already ruined his life. Hes gonna have a hard time getting a solid career again.

 

[davewe]

Throwing the term "pedophile" around like so much confetti is a dangerous game to play. It's a weapon in the Feminist arsenal used to shame anything approaching a May-December relationship (provided the man is the older party - it's almost always okay if the woman is older). That's why it's important to keep in mind that sexual attraction between two sexually mature individuals is far more "normal" we'd like to think. I'm not looking to excuse all primal impulses either - we put constraints on our impulses as a measure of protection. Up until recently that included homosexuality. Our society has now (on balance) wagered that homosexuality between consenting adults is not threatening. Astonishingly, it's becoming more acceptable for gay men and women to have the freedom to do what they want "behind closed doors" than it is for a 35-40 year old man and an 18-22 year old woman.

Exactly! As a guy in his late 50s, growing up there were two absolute, immutable sexual taboos: homosexuality and interracial sex/marriage. As to the former almost no one came out of the closet; for the latter, interracial couples were shamed, attacked, and subjected to all sorts of hatred.

Yet in that era dating or marrying a younger woman was not only aceptible, it was what a powerful, successful man did. My grandfather married a hot women 25 years his junior and no one ever questioned why he or she did it.

So what did I do when I grew up? Married a woman from a different race. My peers applauded, but some of our elders were appalled. And now divorced and nearing my dotage, what am I doing? Channelling my deceased grandfather! I have a young, hot gf (23). And yes I have heard the "pedo" whispers.

You only think the real issue is teacher-student or whether he groomed her (or she him) before she reached 18. It isn't. Had he met her at age 18 in the supermarket, dumped his wife and family and moved in with her, it might not have been as salaciously newsworthy, but he still would have been equally attacked and shamed.

For some reason many of us need to be sexually judgmental and today the age gap issue is the prime source of judgment.

 

[backbreaker]

The girl is 18, so she is old enough to decide whatever the hell she wants to do, including moving in with this guy.

However, I would question the guys judgement knowing how fickle 18 year olds are. He could be a massive AFC.

lol there is no COULD to it. he's most defiantly an AFC. not because he is in love with an 18 year old but beucdase he has put her on a pedstol. he has lost his job over a woman. A job that he had went to college to become a professional at, and a job in which he had tenure at and probably could not get fired beucase of teachers unions. to do what... what is he gonna do now? teach? wrong answer. probably sell cars or insurance or some **** like that. that's classic, text book AFCism i don't care how hot or how old she is. also instead of going out and meeting new options in "the field" he "worked on" this girl for 4 years. if she was 24 instead of 14, and i told you that he texted her for 4 years trying to get her, that would be nomination for AFC of the year award. the fact that she is "hot" and "young" is clouding people's judgement both ways.

even worse, the fact that guys looked at her picture and mentally said in their minds "yeah she is pretty hot i could see how he could work on her for 4 years", those guys are just as bad. You don't get a get out of AFC free card because she's hot and young. Everyone is looking at the wrong issue here, the original point, is that there was ovbiously, some.. issues.. at home to make him even consider this. he's in a marriage that he does not want to be in.

he does not put in work to get back in shape to go back out in the field. he takes the low hanging (albiet good looking )fruit that is easily picked at his job and would rather wait 4 years for her to become legal than to face reality. that's an AFC in my book.

but we aren't debating if he is an AFC or not. at least i didn't think we were.

 

[AlNess]

I don't give a rat's ass if it's Brad Pitt himself grooming a teen for sex via a hands-off relationship until she's 18, or if it's a guy like the chump in this story. Both are equally wrong. People here seem to ignore that the girl was only 14 when he started this little relationship. It's not as if they met and hooked up when she was already 18 (that would still be weird, given that he's old enough to be her dad, but still not illegal).

I wouldn't be surprised if it came to light that he had slipped a sexually suggestive text here and there when the girl was 14-15. Hopefully the girl's mom can research that through her then-mobile provider.

 

[Burroughs]

posted by Samuel in Rollo's blog...

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I don’t find it as deplorable as some. The age of consent, across thousands of years of humanity, has been TWELVE YEARS OLD.
Including the USA, until about 110 years ago.

I regard it as more unnatural that I am expected to only want 40 yr old chicks and not want chicks 20 years younger, and I find it unnatural that women should be scorned or shunned or insulted for being attracted to older men.

Girls are having sex, what difference does it make if the penis involved is 19 yrs old or 39 yrs old?

The question is more in the man’s intent. Does he intend to use her as a ***-rag, or does he intend to care for her and possibly ‘keep’ her, and treat her well? Perhaps even teach and guide her in a way that will serve her well in the rest of her life?

I will tell you, it might be better for her to choose Mr Hooker than to jump on the carousel of 17-25 yr old ****tard douchebag guys who will leave her devastated and ruined.

As far as ‘alpha’ is concerned, I don’t give any props to Mr Hooker. I can appreciate the tasty young girl, but the teacher/student hookup is like shooting fish in a barrel. It is not some grand accomplishment, and he has hosed himself so bad in the process, I wonder, if he will look back one day and say it was worth it, or if he will wish he hadn’t…

I don’t think that terms like ‘alpha’ are best used as stark labels. We all have some alpha in us, and some beta, and so do a lot of our actions. We are never only one, but all of these traits, in some level or another.

 

[Jaylan]

110 years ago, racism and eugenics were A-OK in the US. Doesnt make it right though. I get sick of the argument about different time periods. Morals were way different back then, and all that mattered is what rich white men wanted back in those times. So lets be real.

So for me, 12 year olds hookin up with adults was wrong back then and is wrong today.

 

[sstype]

110 years ago, racism and eugenics were A-OK in the US. Doesnt make it right though. I get sick of the argument about different time periods. Morals were way different back then, and all that mattered is what rich white men wanted back in those times. So lets be real.

So for me, 12 year olds hookin up with adults was wrong back then and is wrong today.

Agreed.....the man manipulated her. With that being said, had the genders been switched (older woman, younger guy)......you wouldn't be hearing this level of outrage.

When Hooker does it.....he's a monster, disgusting, pervert.

When Debra Lefave did it............"where was she when I was in school?" Wonder if that boy grows up thinking molesting 14 year-old girls is a-ok and he'll only get a slap on the wrist just like his hot teacher.

Child abuse is child abuse.....however you're exempt from being shamed and punished if you're a pretty blonde woman.

 

[davewe]

110 years ago, racism and eugenics were A-OK in the US. Doesnt make it right though. I get sick of the argument about different time periods. Morals were way different back then, and all that mattered is what rich white men wanted back in those times. So lets be real.

So for me, 12 year olds hookin up with adults was wrong back then and is wrong today.

So now the girl's 12? So she's gone from 18 to 14 to 12. And we know this how? Cause someone reported it on the news; the tip was received from the mother or soon to be ex-wife.

Certainly if there was sexual contact between the two before she turned 18 he'll have plenty of legal problems.

But no one gets tossed in jail over morality, let alone over someone else's morality.

The examples of historical views of morality are not provided to justify his actions but show how fluid and even arbitrary such morality is.

We live in a time of multiple, hard to justify wars, a financial system run by scumbags that nearly brought worldwide financial collapse, massive suffering, a systematic destruction of the environment, but a guy sticks his johnson into an 18 year old - now that's immoral!

 

[HalfAddict]

Age is not the issue, the fact that he was her teacher prior to their "relationship" (if he was not railing her while she was younger). I have a friend in his forties who is with a much younger woman (talking under 21) and no one bats an eye, however he was not her educator.

 

[Jaylan]

Agreed.....the man manipulated her. With that being said, had the genders been switched (older woman, younger guy)......you wouldn't be hearing this level of outrage.

When Hooker does it.....he's a monster, disgusting, pervert.

When Debra Lefave did it............"where was she when I was in school?" Wonder if that boy grows up thinking molesting 14 year-old girls is a-ok and he'll only get a slap on the wrist just like his hot teacher.

Child abuse is child abuse.....however you're exempt from being shamed and punished if you're a pretty blonde woman.

Actually, if the genders were switched, youd still have people upset about this. Remember that lady in the 90s who slept with her 13 year old student? Or was he 14? Either way she went to jail for several years and had his kid in prison.

It was rare for a woman to do this kinda crap back then, but now its become way more common. Id say the female teacher-student relationships are starting to rival the male teacher-student relationships in frequency of occurrence.

Either way, the only ones reacting positively to those situations are the same guys who give Hooker props for what he did. Guys who constantly think with their d!cks, are the ones who give Hooker props or say "where was she when I was in school?" when its a female teacher.

I agree with you that this behavior is inappropriate, regardless of gender.

Though I have noticed, that if the woman is not attractive, she gets treated more harshly by everyone when she commits a crime. But you have to blame fellow men for that...because we control the media...so we perpetuate the double standard. Pretty white woman get away with crap all the time....Amanda Knox and Casey Anthony come to mind.

So now the girl's 12? So she's gone from 18 to 14 to 12. And we know this how? Cause someone reported it on the news; the tip was received from the mother or soon to be ex-wife.

Certainly if there was sexual contact between the two before she turned 18 he'll have plenty of legal problems.

But no one gets tossed in jail over morality, let alone over someone else's morality.

The examples of historical views of morality are not provided to justify his actions but show how fluid and even arbitrary such morality is.

We live in a time of multiple, hard to justify wars, a financial system run by scumbags that nearly brought worldwide financial collapse, massive suffering, a systematic destruction of the environment, but a guy sticks his johnson into an 18 year old - now that's immoral!

Please learn to read every post in the thread. I was clearly responding to the poster who was saying that 110 years ago that the age of consent was 12.

So no, the girl in the original story did not become 12 years old. The fact remains that she just turned 18 but was 14 when the loser teacher started chatting her up. Her mom has text messages and her classmates confirmed they started chatting at that age.

Morality is not arbitrary when it comes to children btw. So get the hell out of here with that nonsense. And stop using strawman arguments about the financial system. Thats not the topic. This loser teacher who was sniffing around teenage kids is the topic.

I wouldnt be surprised if its not too long before she mentions that they hooked up when she was a minor. I highly doubt this dude waited 4 years for this chick to become legal.

 

[davewe]

Morality is not arbitrary when it comes to children btw. So get the hell out of here with that nonsense. And stop using strawman arguments about the financial system. Thats not the topic. This loser teacher who was sniffing around teenage kids is the topic.

Morality may not be arbitrary when it comes to children, but the definition of what is a child is. 18 in some states and countries; 16 in others. So then the only thing that is offensive here is whether she is a child?

If she was getting nailed by a 23 year old bf no one would care. Hell even if she were 17 when they started we'd be cheering the kid on. No one on this forum would be saying "OMG the poor girl is a child. We must protect her!"

What's offfensive to some is that the guy is 41, not 23. Everything else is a smokescreen; whether he texted her prior to her turning 18; whether he was her teacher; whether he's an Alpha or Beta - all irrelevant.

Feminists and the religious/morality police have dictated that a 41 shouldn't be doing an 18 year old and they're not gonna let anything as arbitrary as the legal age of consent get in their way.

No doubt that legally the guy is toast. They're gonna take those texts and hang him, whether he waited till 18 to do her or not. I still maintain that his biggest crime is that he went public.

 

[Jaylan]

Morality may not be arbitrary when it comes to children, but the definition of what is a child is. 18 in some states and countries; 16 in others. So then the only thing that is offensive here is whether she is a child?

So it doesnt matter that this dude was sniffing around this girl when she was only 14? riiiight

If she was getting nailed by a 23 year old bf no one would care. Hell even if she were 17 when they started we'd be cheering the kid on. No one on this forum would be saying "OMG the poor girl is a child. We must protect her!"

14 is FAR different from 17.

The differences in personality, maturity, and life experience are big from year to year during ones teen years. Lets be serious now. Many, if not most 14 year olds look like little girls...the chick looks young as it is at 18...you wanna tell me she looked all womanly at 14? The teacher is a loser.

What's offfensive to some is that the guy is 41, not 23. Everything else is a smokescreen; whether he texted her prior to her turning 18; whether he was her teacher; whether he's an Alpha or Beta - all irrelevant.

So your saying theres nothing wrong with adults priming children for sex and texting them inappropriately? Seems like thats what you are saying.

Feminists and the religious/morality police have dictated that a 41 shouldn't be doing an 18 year old and they're not gonna let anything as arbitrary as the legal age of consent get in their way.

This isnt about feminism. Its about protecting children from predators. Teachers need to stop abusing their power and influence over these high schoolers. Get real dude.

No doubt that legally the guy is toast. They're gonna take those texts and hang him, whether he waited till 18 to do her or not. I still maintain that his biggest crime is that he went public.

The dude is hung because he abused his power as an authority figure. He left his freaking wife and kids for his daughters class mate. Thats a horrible father who doesnt give a damn about setting a good example for his kids. When getting your d!ck wet is a greater priority than doing whats right by your own children, then you know this guys a straight up loser. Hes a failure as a parent and an educator.

 

[zekko]

If she was getting nailed by a 23 year old bf no one would care. Hell even if she were 17 when they started we'd be cheering the kid on. No one on this forum would be saying "OMG the poor girl is a child. We must protect her!"

Yeah, I mentioned my niece got pregnant and married at age 15 to a 19 year old guy (and is still married to him 30 years later). She wasn't being texted, she was impregnated. Where's the mob of torch-bearing villagers to hunt him down?

 

[Jaylan]

Yeah, I mentioned my niece got pregnant and married at age 15 to a 19 year old guy (and is still married to him 30 years later). She wasn't being texted, she was impregnated. Where's the mob of torch-bearing villagers to hunt him down?

Last I checked romeo and juliet laws allow up to a 4 year age gap depending on the state. So the two stories are very different. A 19 year old is more on par with a 15 year old than an over 30 person will ever be. And Im sure the 19 year old wasnt an educator at her school lol

Why are people trying to use stories that arent comparable to this one, in order to defend this guy? Hes her teacher, she was 14 when this communication started, he left his wife and kids, and the girl is also his daughters classmate. Whats there to defend here?

 

[zekko]

Last I checked romeo and juliet laws allow up to a 4 year age gap depending on the state. So the two stories are very different. A 19 year old is more on par with a 15 year old than an over 30 person will ever be?

Well, that was the point davewe was making. It seems to be more about the guy being 41 than any desire to really protect her as a "child". If he was 19, no one would care. Unless the mother started screaming to the media, as was the case with this guy.

Why are people trying to use stories that arent comparable to this one, in order to defend this guy? Hes her teacher, she was 14 when this communication started, he left his wife and kids, and the girl is also his daughters classmate. Whats there to defend here?

The Elvis story is very comparable. In fact, it sounds like what Elvis did was "worse", since there was clear intent to marry the 14 year old Priscilla as soon as he met her. But instead of texting he was calling her. True, Elvis was not her teacher, but he was a rock star. Which probably gave him more influence over her than being a teacher would lol. But I don't hear people saying what a creep Elvis was.

By the way, I wouldn't say I'm defending him. I already said he sounded like a creep, and I agree he's AFC. But I'm not shocked or outraged. I may be wrong, but it may be because this sort of thing was a lot more common back when I was growing up.

The other reason I'm not outraged is like davewe said, the definition of a child is very arbitrary. It depends completely on when and where you live. Half the women in India get married before 18, that's a whole lot of people right there. But I'm supposed to get angry about this one guy, who supposedly waited until the girl was of legal age to hook up with her?

Compare this to a 16 year old kid who gets signed on by a recruiter to join the military, with a direct effect of endangering the kid's life when they are 18.

Do we consider that predatory?

Pretty good point. Of course it's male lives being endangered, so again, nobody cares.