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STR8UP said:
Integrity IS an all or nothing deal, but there is not a person on this earth who lives their entire life without f'ing up when it comes to this.

I don't remember seeing the other camp addressing this point satisfactorily. So tell me Latinoman, jophil, and guru......

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I'll try to tackle this str8up. Integrity issues, should be handled just like any other advise on this site. The advise we give to each other about women, to help our fellow man.

We have all these iron clad, iron rules, about women. Such as if she cheats on you, next her. Women want alpha male genes and a beta male provider. etc. If she disrespects you, next her....if you don't have sex with her after x number of dates, you never will. Etc..etc.

Why examples of no grey area with women, yet...everythings a grey area all of a sudden when integrity gets questioned?

So, with women, a lot of us still fvck up. But, we learn from our fvckups and become better men.

This is what we need to do with integrity. We all have it, well most of us, and yes, we make mistakes. We need to learn from our mistakes and become better men.

Justifying our poor behavior keeps us from improving ourselves.
 

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Maintaining Integrity is one of the KEY traits mature healthy women look for in a Man.
Maintaining integirty has its effects on all your interactions, behaviors, words, deeds, and actions.

When you demonstrate a natural integrity, your woman will sense your Internal strength.
This internal strength is absolutely CRUCIAL for a woman to fully surrender to you.
This integrity of character is what keeps her glued to you, becaseu when she KNOWS that you don't collapse under the weight, that you don't deny her her right to her feelings and emotions, and the way she relates to you, you build an incredibly strong and intimate bond that she will have an excruciatingly HARD time finiding in another man.

She is TIRED of dealing with a weak man.
She is TIRED of dealing with the immature 'boy'.
She is TIRED of dealing with the guy who is 'checked out'.
She is TIRED of the guy who cannot 'handle' her emotions and upheavals.
She is TIRED of always having to interact with a lover in a 'guarded' state, because deep inside, she feels she cant TRUST him. She feels she cant lean on him, because he will collapse and check out, run away, and make her feel like her feelings and her issues are not important , and he doesnt want to deal with them.
That woman is tired of running all that masculine energy.
She wants to feel like a woman again.
And she can only do that when she KNOWS in her heart that you ARE truly strong.
That when she opens up to you intimately, that you can handle ANYTHING she says or has experienced.
TIme and time again, this one factor proves to be CRUCIAL in successful relationships over the long term.

A woman really does feel satisfied when she KNOWS you are 'the rock'.
That's when she can truly breathe the sigh of relief, and trust you and surrender herself fully to you.

If we can visualize women as a flowing stream, and men as the solid rock within the stream...calm, self assured, not judgin her unfairly, and able to withstand the emotional upheaval, then you will get a DEEP sens of the core nature of male/female relationship dynamics.


A woman will not let herself be emotionaly vulnerable to you, when she feels you 'check out'.

For various reasons...
during her period
during pregnancy
during arguments
understanding her past
understanding her issues
understanding and accepting her sexuality and her fantasies
understanding that she knows she is 'hard to handle' sometimes, but NEEDs a man to align her, to stand up to her, an dgive her that natural challenge.
How you deal with her parents
how you deal with an ex bf or someone
how you handle social pressure
how you handle difficult situations at home...

ALL these things she is OBSERVING when she deals with you,as she gets to know you.
The more secure she feels your strength, your masculine core, it dont matter as much if youre 'not that tall', or 'dont have a BMW" or 'dont look like Brad Pitt'.
Because you offer her something so incredibly VALUEABLE to HER...as a WOMAN.....
you offer her that strength and character, that her, as a good , healthy and mature woman with plenty of class and self respect NEEDS to feel fulfilled.
This drives up her interest and makes you all the more sexually attractive to her.

And if you are a good lover, forget about it....

She's done.

She feels fulfilled and happy. She feels that assurance, and security.
Trusting you. Feeling safe with you. Finally.
She can let her 'guard' down.
When she talks to you as a MAN...she KNOWS that you listen to her and wont freak out.
It is so imperative for men to develop that skill for listening ,and NOT JUDGING her unfairly.
You create intimate bond there.

When you dont shy away from her, it demonstrates that confidence you have in yourself.
It demonstrates how comfortable you are with sexuality, your own, and especially HERS.
If you know where women are coming from, then you get a much more realistic perspective to HOW women are TRYING to connect with you.

When she locks eyes with you, she is looking for that.
She is looking for that security, with yourself and her, and her emotions, and her sexuality.

How comfortable are you with that???


When you realize that this is how women try to 'scan' for potential men, who are confident and self assured, you will then 'see' their sub communication to you.
When you are in that 'frequency', a whole other world opens up to you.
She sees that you 'get it'.

And that you wont run away from her.

That is critical.


Build that inner strength.
The Integrity to HOLD on to your VALUES

HOLD ON TO YOUR VALUES!

This what she needs to see from you.

AND...

YOU do yourSELF a FAVOR by building on that inner strength and resources..

it affects every FACET of YOUR LIFE.


DO it for yourself and her...
 

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ThunderMaverick said:
How do I lack integrity, since you want to drag me into this and make an example out of me?
You per-se are not being made an example of due to lack of integrity,

The fundamental of your post is Nature vs Conviction which is the INTEGRITY DYNAMIC that we are speaking of.

Clearly, in your scenario a Man of Integrity would not call the X.

Although we ALL go into this WEIGHTED SCALE of Pain vs Pleasure. The final decision is made based on which CREATES more pain, violating our integrity or not succumbing to our nature.

My point is the lack of integrity is at the foundation of AFCism. Your post is a perfect example of how one makes a determination of what road to take.
 

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ThunderMaverick said:
How do I lack integrity, since you want to drag me into this and make an example out of me?
I don't think that is what he meant. YOU have integrity. And you take responsibility for what is wrong in your life.
 

You essentially upped your VALUE in her eyes by showing her that, if she wants you, she has to at times do things that you like to do. You are SOMETHING after all. You are NOT FREE. If she wants to hang with you, it's going to cost her something — time, effort, money.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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guru1000 said:
You per-se are not being made an example of due to lack of integrity,

The fundamental of your post is Nature vs Conviction which is the INTEGRITY DYNAMIC that we are speaking of.

Clearly, in your scenario a Man of Integrity would not call the X.

Although we ALL go into this WEIGHTED SCALE of Pain vs Pleasure. The final decision is made based on which CREATES more pain, violating our integrity or not succumbing to our nature.

My point is the lack of integrity is at the foundation of AFCism. Your post is a perfect example of how one makes a determination of what road to take.
I disagree with this statement. A man can have integrity, but falter with his self respect.

A man can have integrity, but falter in his strength when it comes to emotions.

IMO.

I'd change that statement to say Clearly, in your scenario a Man with Self Respect would not call the X.

The two may be related, but are not the same.

TM's issue was clearly with self respect, not integrity.
 

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Yeah, I was trying to wrap my brain around that one.

Guru has a tendency to just call me an AFC and whatnot without any constructive feedback.

I was expecting the same thing in this post.
 

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Interceptor has explained some truisms of how Integrity plays a major role in the male - female dynamic.

Once you ADOPT a Core of Value, you will as well see exponential growth in all areas of your life. That will be saved for another thread.
 

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This is such a good thread.

I am so ecstatic with the state of the MM forum these past few days. Real honest to goodness DISCUSSIONS about something that matters.

Hallelujah, hollaback! (Does anyone ever get this joke...? Am I the ONLY one who watched the white rapper show??)
 

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I think TM was trying to figure out what is going on inside him.
This is not about any lack of integrity on his part.
This has to do more with his values,and how his past experiences have shaped his perspective.
He was trying to understand the situation and himself better.

If his values were "I hate that b*tch!! She's no good for me!! I will never try to get back together with her!!"

and then he posted that post, then we can say there was a lack of integrity.

Because his words represented a set of values, that his bubbling beliefs and the desire to take action on those were incongruent.

He is trying to figure out just exactly what IS going on, and what DOES he actually feel, and will it truly give him happiness or dissatisfaction.



If his belief is "I need to figure myself out, and this situation objectively, and then take the best action."
Then he is maintaining integrity.
 

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Interceptor said:
I think TM was trying to figure out what is going on inside him.
This is not about any lack of integrity on his part.
This has to do more with his values,and how his past experiences have shaped his perspective.
He was trying to understand the situation and himself better.

If his values were "I hate that b*tch!! She's no good for me!! I will never try to get back together with her!!"

and then he posted that post, then we can say there was a lack of integrity.

Because his words represented a set of values, that his bubbling beliefs and the desire to take action on those were incongruent.

He is trying to figure out just exactly what IS going on, and what DOES he actually feel, and will it truly give him happiness or dissatisfaction.



If his belief is "I need to figure myself out, and this situation objectively, and then take the best action."
Then he is maintaining integrity.
I love you.:eek:
 

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STR8UP said:
Wanna talk about meandering? It would seem to me that the integrity activists have a problem getting things straight when they talk about society setting standards one minute and the individual the next.
By the way...just for clarification purposes...I am not serving as an activist of integrity. I am simply stating the following which I will summarize with the following 12 points:

1- Integrity is defined as a steadfast adherence to a strict moral or ethical code.

2- Integrity is black or white....

3- In essence, you either have integrity or you don’t

4- Gray areas are created by society and individuals as a way (right or wrong) to justify certain actions.

5- Integrity is a very important quality in a man's character.

6- You cannot justify lack of integrity.

7- Finding "gray areas" that allow you to bend your principals so you can sleep peacefully at night does not make you a man of integrity.

8- No one is perfect.

9- Many times we will be faced situations that will test our character. If you do something that tests the principles that define integrity, the best thing you can do is take accountability for your actions and make sure you accept and learn from that mistake.

10- Justifying lack of integrity in fact diminishes accountability.

11- Accountability is another important quality that defines a man’s character.

12- Lack of integrity is in fact a serious character flaw.
 

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ThunderMaverick said:
Who made the analogy of a person driving a guy to a bank so he can rob it? I mean YOU aren't robbing the bank, but you're an accessory. You KNEW!

I think that sums up accountability. Great example, whoever that was. I'm too lazy to go back and look. lawlz.
I provided that example.

Thanks.
 

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ThunderMaverick said:
Yeah, I was trying to wrap my brain around that one.

Guru has a tendency to just call me an AFC and whatnot without any constructive feedback.

I was expecting the same thing in this post.
You missed the point. I never stated you lacked integrity.

Everyone when making a determination of what road to take, will take the road of least pain. If one of your RULES OF INTEGRITY were to be Self Respect, lets say, when making a determination of which road to take, you will WEIGH the pain of violating your integrity to not succumbing to your nature. This does make you an AFC. It is a choice to make based on the VALUE of your Rule vs inclination to call your X.

Every MAN weighs his decisions. Your thread is the perfect example of how one weighs a decision based on the Pain vs Pleasure scale.

I have called you an AFC many moons ago. That is not my opinion of you today. :yes:
 

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guru1000 said:
I have called you an AFC many moons ago. That is not my opinion of you today. :yes:
[size=+1]That is not my opinion of you today. :yes:[/size]
[size=+2] opinion of you today. :yes:[/size]
[size=+3] today. :yes:[/size]
Oh really? Not to derail this topic, but are you sure you know what you're saying?
guru1000 said:
Thunder,
This is the X I assume you are speaking of.
Read my post #18. I still stand by that.
Post 18 said:
No need to write furthur after this point.

What self-respecting MAN would act this way?

You lack certain important qualities such as integrity and self respect.

I remember addressing this issue with you a while back and you argued endlessly.

You are the epitome of AFC. We should mark this post as a benchmark of what not to do.
You say almost 3 days ago:
guru1000 said:
[SIZE=+2]Just as I started to respect you. [/SIZE]
So you like me today.

Good to know.
 

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Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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ThunderMaverick said:
Oh really? Not to derail this topic, but are you sure you know what you're saying?



Post 18 said:

You say almost 3 days ago:

So you like me today.

Good to know.
My questions to you are the following,

Is self respect part of your integrity?

Did you call your X?

If you are that concerned about my thoughts, now you have your answer. Not that I would be concerned about your opinion of me.

As well, I rather you dislike me and do the right thing than admire me and do the wrong.
 

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guru1000 said:
My questions to you is this,

Is self respect part of your integrity?

Did you call your X?

If you are that concerned about my thoughts, now you have your answer. Not that I would be concerned about your opinion of me.
I think I wanted to point out to you that you just...didn't know what you were talking about. Like Kurt Cobain after his "accident" you were all over the place.
 

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As well, I rather you dislike me and do the right thing than admire me and do the wrong.
Because that's why I'm here. To please you, big bro.:yes:
 

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STR8UP...if you would have read the Original post...

STR8UP said:
Whoever it was way back that pointed out that the concept of integrity is actually an all or nothing deal, i agree with that.
Hmmmmm...let's go to Latinoman's ORIGINAL post and take an excerpt for that post: "Integrity is defined as a steadfast adherence to a strict moral or ethical code. In essence, you either have integrity or you don’t. "

I guess too much "deep thinking" made you lost a very clear and simple message that was at the surface of my original post.

STR8UP said:
I now see that integrity is a snapshot of a given situation, not a word that can be accurately used to label a given person, because if we did that we would be back to making a judgment call as to how many times a person can "slip up" (which we all do) and still be considered to have "integrity".
Latinoman wrote in his ORIGINAL post: "How can you really test if a person have or lacks integrity? The best way to measure this is by putting you in a shoddy situation in which NO one will ever find out."

Re-read the above excerpt and reach your own conclusion.

STR8UP said:
Integrity IS an all or nothing deal, but there is not a person on this earth who lives their entire life without f'ing up when it comes to this.
Once again, I already stated that you either have integrity or you don't. I also stated in my ORIGINAL post that:" No one is perfect. Many times we will be faced situations that will test our character. If you do something that tests the principles that define integrity, the best thing you can do is take accountability for your actions and make sure you accept and learn from that mistake."


STR8UP said:
I don't remember seeing the other camp addressing this point satisfactorily. So tell me Latinoman, jophil, and guru......
Hmmmmm...I addressed the point in the ORIGINAL post. And as a courtesy, I re-addressed it in this post.

Perhaps the problem in here is that you try to think too much...when in reallity the truth is stamped in front of your face. Go to post #1 of this thread. All the excerpts provided in here come from that #1 post. My ORIGINAL post. I am sure an "intelligent" man that "study psychology via observing people" and is a "deep thinker" would have no issues reading a simple post. I mean, I cannot dumb-it-down more than I originally did.

P.S.

CHECK MATE.
 

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ThunderMaverick said:
I think I wanted to point out to you that you just...didn't know what you were talking about. Like Kurt Cobain after his "accident" you were all over the place.
Let me make this clearer as I think you fall short of ABC understanding.

If this is your thought process, you are the epitome of AFC, as well lack self respect and integrity. Hands down, no questions asked.

If since that thread several months ago, you have CHANGED. Made a CODE and stuck by it, you now do not lack INTEGRITY.

Take it for what it is. This is my last reply to you.
 

Peace and Quiet

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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