In Group Female Promiscuity is natural

[Pandora]

Same thoughts after reading it lol

Oh nice. When did you read it bro.

 

[Plinco]

This thread

 

[metalwater]

Communism is a political and economic system that seeks to create a classless society in which women, are owned and controlled by the community. Each man takes as he needs. No marriage, all share as needed or wanted. The tribe cares for the young, the father is the tribe. The mother is the mother. The men do not shame the woman because they receive no shame for her actions. This leads to a society that does not advance because competition is the mother of advancement.

The theory is that men are not protective of the sex, they are protective of status. If the status is not being competed for then the man does not really care as long as his needs are met. When a woman is loyal to a man that is a form of status.

Do we really hate that the woman is shared or that we are shamed when it happens? Sex with another man's woman against his wish is the ultimate mogging or insult in our cultures. This causes us to be angry at the woman for the shame her actions give us. This is a wrongism as the mogging is from another man, the woman is just a woman. While in a communist way we would agree to share and not compete with each other allowing the men and woman as they will.

Not sure what I think about this, but this seems to be the argument.

 

[Pandora]

Communism is a political and economic system that seeks to create a classless society in which women, are owned and controlled by the community. Each man takes as he needs. No marriage, all share as needed or wanted. The tribe cares for the young, the father is the tribe. The mother is the mother. The men do not shame the woman because they receive no shame for her actions. This leads to a society that does not advance because competition is the mother of advancement.

The theory is that men are not protective of the sex, they are protective of status. If the status is not being competed for then the man does not really care as long as his needs are met. When a woman is loyal to a man that is a form of status.

Do we really hate that the woman is shared or that we are shamed when it happens? Sex with another man's woman against his wish is the ultimate mogging or insult in our cultures. This causes us to be angry at the woman for the shame her actions give us. This is a wrongism as the mogging is from another man, the woman is just a woman. While in a communist way we would agree to share and not compete with each other allowing the men and woman as they will.

Not sure what I think about this, but this seems to be the argument.

Very thoughtful post. Thanks. Communism is not a bad thing as long as there is no government attached to it. Again, when you live in a small tribe you all have to come together as a commune aka community or else you all die. Communism got a bad wrap when governments and certain people who were really fascists started calling themselves communist. All humans evolved from a communist past where everyone shared everything ( the tribe).

My argument is that marriage and monogamy is artificial. Marriage is an invention in order to create social classes and to pass down property. The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State (Penguin Classics) Friedrich Engels argues that it was the state that used marriage for its own benefit. We see this today. The state promotes marriage because it keeps men enslaved in the tax farm called civilization.

In summary: We come from tribes were the sexual restrictions on women were minimal. There was no reason to stress too much about it. You cant be that much of a slut when everyone knows everyone. Paternity is not an issue when there is no property. Women are more promiscuous in small groups ( this is why we advocate social group game instead of cold approach). Women were not made for the restrictions of puritanical monogamy. This is why we are have such a hard time with their behavior now. Women are more promiscuous than we give them credit for.

When they say they want to go through a hoe phase they are just acting on their natural biology. This is not the result of some feminist liberal plot. The feminist just accelerated this bs and made it toxic. In the natural world this "hoe phase" would have been expressed in her mating with multiple ( but not every) men in the tribe.

Again I am not saying that women are as promiscuous as men because they are not. I am not saying they fukk EVERY member of the in group they are a part of. They dont do that. But they do have the capability to be involved in love triangles where they get fukked by multiple men at different times. This is the basis of the love triangle.

So we should stop being surprised when they divorce us in 7 yrs because they got the tingles for another man. We should not surprised when she has a high body count ( in tribal times she would have never been able to get a body count that high anyway). We should not be surprised when she has slept with women and gang bangs etc. They are naturally like this. Its just that civilization put this on overdrive. Kinda like how humans have always loved calorie dense food like sugar but civilization gave us the means to gorge ourselves to death on it.

 

[Pandora]

Communism is a political and economic system that seeks to create a classless society in which women, are owned and controlled by the community. Each man takes as he needs. No marriage, all share as needed or wanted. The tribe cares for the young, the father is the tribe. The mother is the mother. The men do not shame the woman because they receive no shame for her actions. This leads to a society that does not advance because competition is the mother of advancement.

The theory is that men are not protective of the sex, they are protective of status. If the status is not being competed for then the man does not really care as long as his needs are met. When a woman is loyal to a man that is a form of status.

Do we really hate that the woman is shared or that we are shamed when it happens? Sex with another man's woman against his wish is the ultimate mogging or insult in our cultures. This causes us to be angry at the woman for the shame her actions give us. This is a wrongism as the mogging is from another man, the woman is just a woman. While in a communist way we would agree to share and not compete with each other allowing the men and woman as they will.

Not sure what I think about this, but this seems to be the argument.

Yeh you pretty much summed up what i just said. I re read your post. I may not be 100% right, but I think we should at least explore this idea. I don't like the gynocentricity of it though. I think these tribes were more egalitarian than gynocentric. Sorry for the long reply before.

 

[Pandora]

Weird thread. Feel like there are two extremes fighting here.

I tend to side with @Pan87 - I don't think that women are quite as chaotic sexually as OP seems to be indicating. Most women that are highly promiscuous also tend to have zero high SMV options themselves (read: ugly). They think being easy is attractive - it isn't. I have known a number of women like this at varying points in my life. They generally develop a poor reputation fairly quickly and are not viewed as LTR material by any man with options. I don't think that this driven by civilization either. I don't see an alpha-leader of an ancient tribe being OK with some rando having sex with his woman.

Also - I can't imagine sharing my woman (or women) with any other man. And to be honest, sharing with a close friend is actually almost worse. Sounds like a recipe for disaster on multiple levels.

Yeh so I hear ya man. Im not saying I am 100% right or that these anthropologist are 100% right. But hear me out. We are very influenced by our culture. It is possible for men to see women as community puzzy and not get jealous. This jealousy you feel could really be culturally influenced. For example, do you feel jealous in the strip club when the stripper is dancing on other men after giving you a lap dance? Why dont you? Does the pimp feel jealous when his worker is out on the track? Why doesn't he? Do you feel jealous when the town bicycle fukks another guy? Why dont you?

So you see it is possible to not feel sexual competition over women. A second point is that in the PRE agricultural tribes there were no alpha leaders. You are totally right about the POST agricultural tribes though. The POST agricultural tribes did have leaders that would be jealous. But the PRE AGRICULTURAL tribes had women on the same ranking as men. The power was almost as equal as you could get. So no one really owned the women.

I would also argue that many of these girls that dont slut it out, would be a little more slutty if social reputation was not a thing. Women do not inherently feel ashamed of their sexual actions. Its something I had to recently accept. It is us MEN who make them ashamed of it. You ever talk to a girl and ask her how she could **** so many men. They never feel internal guilt really, they just feel the external shame. Women dont view sex as sacred. We do....unfortunately. It hurts.

Anyways I may be wrong feel free to disagree bro.

 

[Pandora]

The men that are most attractive to women are the "bad boys" who let them express their sexual nature. These type of dark triad guys are not too concerned who they are fukking. Chicks love these types of dudes. The creepy dudes are the guys who think they are angels and want to lock them down. The cool guys know that she is a slut deep down and treat her as such. The beta square wants to control her sexuality and make her his wife. She will only go with the beta lockdown guy because of resources. She really wants to dude that knows what she really is.

Not saying they are all nasty pornstars. Im just saying.....stop trying to lock them down.

Pusha T Virginia Lyrics:
I been there, each year, a different ***** wonder
Who wing she gon' fall under, Push' or Mal', Gonz or Grimes
With me, with thoughts of ****in' them cross her mind
Look ma, that's right up my alley
I love my family, I want them all happy

Nas: ***** Kills:
Just a thought we all ****ed all the same chicks
Some play like they innocent ****ing entertainers
And basketball players the ***** is a hoe
But some of yall a save her put your **** in her throat

 

[Striker_93]

You just said in a another post that you'd never been to a nightclub in your life.

He sure did lol

 

[SW15]

From the male point of view, female promiscuity is a bit of female privilege. It doesn't take much of a woman to get sex. The overwhelming majority of men wish we could obtain sex as easily as a woman does. Women from ages 15-45 obtain sex easily.

In order to get a notch count of 10, it would take most men years or swiping and/or approaching. A female can get 10 notches from just showing up, wearing provocative clothing, and being horny. That would take 6 months or less.

 

[SW15]

Man, if hot women are approaching you, buying you drinks and initiating kino then you are experiencing something that 99.99% of other guys never experience. I could imagine an average looking chick doing that, but not a hot one.

I never experienced that at night at the bars/clubs from women at any level of looks. Nor have I experienced that in non-bar venues either. Few women have approached me over the years.

 

[SW15]

From what I've seen in the clubs I've surveyed, the vast majority of guys don't get approached in clubs and all either hang back looking sullen, or doing laps around the club looking thristy. There are also usually big groups of drunk lads who frequently just dance, get rowdy, approach a little bit some of them get hook ups, then start approaching heavily towards end of the night. They are usually aggressively approaching chicks, grinding up on them, getting rejected, move to the next target until one relents.

Bars and clubs are similar in that way. Doing laps around the place looking for options is a commonly seen behavior.

Starting in the 2010s, more men moved more of their game to swipe apps instead of doing what you describe in the bars/clubs. I'd say that the typical 25 year old female in 2019 got approached less in person than the typical 25 year old female in 2004 or 2009. In the 2010s, I saw less in-person approaching at night venues than I saw in the 2000s.

 

[Barrister]

Yeh so I hear ya man. Im not saying I am 100% right or that these anthropologist are 100% right. But hear me out. We are very influenced by our culture. It is possible for men to see women as community puzzy and not get jealous. This jealousy you feel could really be culturally influenced. For example, do you feel jealous in the strip club when the stripper is dancing on other men after giving you a lap dance? Why dont you? Does the pimp feel jealous when his worker is out on the track? Why doesn't he? Do you feel jealous when the town bicycle fukks another guy? Why dont you?

So you see it is possible to not feel sexual competition over women. A second point is that in the PRE agricultural tribes there were no alpha leaders. You are totally right about the POST agricultural tribes though. The POST agricultural tribes did have leaders that would be jealous. But the PRE AGRICULTURAL tribes had women on the same ranking as men. The power was almost as equal as you could get. So no one really owned the women.

I would also argue that many of these girls that dont slut it out, would be a little more slutty if social reputation was not a thing. Women do not inherently feel ashamed of their sexual actions. Its something I had to recently accept. It is us MEN who make them ashamed of it. You ever talk to a girl and ask her how she could **** so many men. They never feel internal guilt really, they just feel the external shame. Women dont view sex as sacred. We do....unfortunately. It hurts.

Anyways I may be wrong feel free to disagree bro.

I don't feel jealousy when the stripper starts grinding on the other man because I don't have any investment/ownership of her as my woman - nor is she under my sexual domain. If I saw my woman getting pounded by another man, it would elicit a completely different response than some random stripper getting pounded by the same man. My woman has committed herself to me in some way whether she is a plate, LTR, or wife. By sexually submitting herself to another man, that elicits a visceral response in me to protect what is mine. First, I am going to use force to dissuade the man from my property; but second, it is a violation of my relationship with my woman for her to submit to another man assuming she is doing it voluntarily.

I agree it is easy to not feel sexual competition over women you care nothing about it. But if you develop an attachment to them on some level - plate, LTR, wife - that is not going to be the case. Nor do I think that this is in any way influenced by society -- it is how we are wired as men.

 

[DonJuanjr]

Nor do I think that this is in any way influenced by society -- it is how we are wired as men.

Can't really say that when we haven't seen a true form of communism(and never will) in modern society. When you don't have any resources that are being forfeited to have the female, and knowing there is not a female for you, but the group. Just like there isn't a female for every other male. They'd be for the tribe. Why would you be possessive. They'll come and go and new ones will come.

 

[Barrister]

Can't really say that when we haven't seen a true form of communism(and never will) in modern society. When you don't have any resources that are being forfeited to have the female, and knowing there is not a female for you, but the group. Just like there isn't a female for every other male. They'd be for the tribe. Why would you be possessive. They'll come and go and new ones will come.

For men, women are a resource. And there are always measuring sticks for what man gets the best woman in any society -- no matter what the economic status is of said society. So I disagree this would make any difference.

 

[Zimbabwe]

You just said in a another post that you'd never been to a nightclub in your life.

Because i meet women through OLD/Cold approach, not sure what you're trying to achieve with your comment here.

 

[DonJuanjr]

A woman's value is inversely correlated to her c0ck count and I actually think this shaming is driven by the sisterhood equally. Other women hate seeing women being really loose with sex because then it drops the market price of pvssy. Women need to keep pvssy price inflated so that dudes keep simping for it. This is the simp economy

I agree with this. But only with non-communist societies. Where there's personal resources. Otherwise, why would it matter if the price of pusssy is inflated? They'll get resources regardless.

 

[Zimbabwe]

women like casual sex too

If that were the case why are there significantly more incels then female incels? Men and women are different, women desire different things. Testosterone is what drives Sexual desire, women have less Testosterone then men.

Not sure why you and Pandora have this extreme cuckold fantasy.

 

[Zimbabwe]

Because they're more hypergamous. They're having more sex than men, not less.

Women want men who have status,confidence and money. Men want Sex, this is why most prostitutes are women catering to men.

 

[Striker_93]

It's a sad day in 2022 where we have men who didn't know women like casual sex lol

But the majority never even had a women throw sex at them before so I'm not surprised.

If I never had women have casual sex with me I wouldn't believe it either.....

Shoutout to the chronic masterbaters and basement dwellers lol

 

[Pandora]

To qualify that - there are plenty of attractive nymphos that are into casual sex with guys that turn them on (and this requires at the very least approaching her and communicating with her - she will select who she wants to fvck).

What guys here are trying to argue is that hot women want to bang any guy, any time in an open poly society. That women love sex equally to men (apples and oranges). It's a very bizarre thing to try to compare how men and women experience sex. Leaving the emotions aside, the act itself is entirely different. The man is sticking his c0ck into a woman's hole, she's receiving his c0ck up her hole. It's an entirely different experience for both of them.

Why you keep saying ANY guy. I never said ANY and EVERY guy. These men are men that she knows intimately. Most of them all her life. Again imagine a small town. In a small town any one particular women may have dated multiple men in the town. In a friend group usually a girl has slept with multiple men in the friend group. Happens all the time.

And yes hot women do seek sexual novelty just for the sake of novelty. This happens when you been in a relationship for 5 yrs and your girl suddenly mentions that she wants to " spice things up". This means she is getting bored with your dyck.

Also women do engage in casual sex just for pleasure. They usually are likely to do it around ovulation time. My gfs esp the slutty ones would say they only used to act like a slut around ovulation. Now do they need to also emotionally connect too, yes but casual sex and some degree of emotional connection are not mutually exclusive.