I gotta ask the board! Do you think women control the dating, love, and sex game?

[nismo-4]

I loved the input and hopefully there's more of it.

I say that women do control these markets because so many men these days are sex starved and are willing to do ANYTHING to get not just pu$$y, but a woman in general. And this is part of why women have so many options, more than ever. Another part of it is from POF, Facebook, OKCupid, and other sites.

Pu$$y will always be in demand, and a lot of women are thinking that theirs is golden! Even women up to age 60 can be like this! They think "I have a giney and every guy wants it!" Yep, there is a market for all age groups. No matter how old a woman is, there are lots of guys who want her love, sex, companionship, and body. Remember when older women weren't that desirable among men? Now enter the cougar craze and MILFs. Thanks to that sh*t in the media, look at all the power they have now. They play games like they're teenagers! :kick:

The other thing is that their vagina is a business, and women's options are seemingly infinite. Most guys have limited options. Sure, guys can play games with women, and make it seem/ look like they have lots of women, but nothing beats reality. If a guy really doesn't have options, it will show somehow. This is part of why I see a lot of guys coming out of the closet (if they were ever in it) or staying in a rocky relationship. They stay in said relationship because they fear or know they'll have trouble getting another woman.

Men chase, and women choose. You can pick what women go get, but she has to give you the green light and approve of you. In some cases, her friends need to approve of you too!

They say 10% of the guys do 90% of the f**king. They do. If you aren't in that top 10%, you've got an uphill battle with women. All women honestly desire a man who's rich, famous, with lots of muscles, a huge kok, and who can sit with her 24/7 bowing to her every whim. But that guy barely exists, so women have to scratch of their list of requirements and end up with a beta average man. Inside, she's jealous that she couldn't get or keep an alpha male.

Above all, a woman can get a man (don't believe her when she says she can't) anytime she wants to. She can also get sex as quickly as you can make a post here. Most guys cannot do that. Curse these double standards. Especially sexual harassment and rape charges!

 

[Ihateinitiatingalot7]

yeah i've always wondered, how is it logically speaking, that real men, that the so-called "real man" that women want, that they have the power in dating and relationships, but women have the final say you know, the type of power that women have is "veto power", as in all they have to do is welcome or deny advances, too many people do not see that as power that women have, and women have always had that power, and they probably always will, they always say that women only have power if men let them, give it away, so i would like someone to answer and explain go way deep into this, so, what is and are specific examples of a man that has "power" in the dating and relationship, sex scene? how does the man have power over the woman?
How is having the Final say not power? Women have the Final say, so it's like women get to do the choosing more than men do, although in reality it is mutual, but since women have the final say, since the man has to initiate everything, as in approaching, making the moves, asking out, etc., why is having the final say not seen as power? Overall, you get the point i'm asking, saying, how do real men, men with balls, have the power? how so? explain.

The way I see it, like one guy said about that 10 percent of men **** 90 percent of the women, someone once said this to me and i believe it "The way dating and relationships, sex, attraction works between men and women is that every woman is useful, but only the best men are required, so be one of them"

 

[bigneil]

I don't think too many men truly qualify as "real" enough for women not to eventually exploit chinks in his armor.

Look at Charlie Sheen and Kevin Federline, even they got dumped and hired hookers, etc. If those guys are treated like sh*t how can we expect to be treated better? Nowadays, women aspire to be Brittany.

So women will trade down just so they don't have to respect a man who can replace them.

 

[Ihateinitiatingalot7]

yeah, i often feel we guys have to work on ourselves, change, improve ourselves way more than girls do in order to make ourselves attractive, desirable to the oppossite-sex.

 

[Maxtro]

Of course women control everything.

They are the gatekeepers and you're just man number 3,571 who wants access. Women have power. And only a very small number of men actually have more power.

 

[EvilAgenda]

A man controls his own fate and life. What kind of weak mindsht is this believing that women control love, dating and sex?

A man can get sex whenever he wants; we made sure to have services for that. Sure, an attractive, hell, even a semi-attractive woman can sleep with almost whomever she wants. But examine her options. Betas who are lame and boring, jocks who will toss her to the curb, and millionaires who are already married or don't intend to. She has no control, what she wants is not what she ends up with. Include the "slut" label, and an ever-present risk of pregnancy, and you have women who by nature MUST be super picky. That's not control of sex, that's NATURE-intended finding the perfect mate algorithm at work.
And if you are in a relationship and your woman is denying you sex, then you are weak and have set a shtty frame, you gotta fix it asap.

Women control love? Hardly. Men don't NEED love; yes, we enjoy it, honor it, but we don't crave it, and therefore are not controlled by it. We got cars, hobbies, business, casual sex to keep us company. Women are the ones searching for love, just look at any chick flick. To say that women control love is absurd; it is love (or a promise of it) that controls a woman.

Ah, women and dating. This one shouldn't be about control. If it is, then you are doing it wrong. It should be about submission. A woman's ultimate purpose is to submit to her man, wholly. (That's why telling a woman YOU ARE MINE is such an amazing turn on for her). The only bummer is, when dating, once she submits to you, she has all the power, cuz you'd do fking everything to keep her safe.

 

[Ihateinitiatingalot7]

A man controls his own fate and life. What kind of weak mindsht is this believing that women control love, dating and sex?

A man can get sex whenever he wants; we made sure to have services for that. Sure, an attractive, hell, even a semi-attractive woman can sleep with almost whomever she wants. But examine her options. Betas who are lame and boring, jocks who will toss her to the curb, and millionaires who are already married or don't intend to. She has no control, what she wants is not what she ends up with. Include the "slut" label, and an ever-present risk of pregnancy, and you have women who by nature MUST be super picky. That's not control of sex, that's NATURE-intended finding the perfect mate algorithm at work.
And if you are in a relationship and your woman is denying you sex, then you are weak and have set a shtty frame, you gotta fix it asap.

Women control love? Hardly. Men don't NEED love; yes, we enjoy it, honor it, but we don't crave it, and therefore are not controlled by it. We got cars, hobbies, business, casual sex to keep us company. Women are the ones searching for love, just look at any chick flick. To say that women control love is absurd; it is love (or a promise of it) that controls a woman.

Ah, women and dating. This one shouldn't be about control. If it is, then you are doing it wrong. It should be about submission. A woman's ultimate purpose is to submit to her man, wholly. (That's why telling a woman YOU ARE MINE is such an amazing turn on for her). The only bummer is, when dating, once she submits to you, she has all the power, cuz you'd do fking everything to keep her safe.

How is it that, since men chase, women choose, and that means women have the final say, they just have to approve of the date and relationship, how is that not power?

 

[Megaman XIV]

How is it that, since men chase, women choose, and that means women have the final say, they just have to approve of the date and relationship, how is that not power?

It is power. Since women get approached many times in a day, whether online or in person, all they have to do is say yes or say no. Anybody who says women don't get approached a lot is either stupid or delusional.

A man can approach all the women he wants. But what if said women keep saying no? They love to tease and hold out for someone better. If said better person doesn't come along, she'll sit at home and fantasize about him.

 

[Ihateinitiatingalot7]

It is power. Since women get approached many times in a day, whether online or in person, all they have to do is say yes or say no. Anybody who says women don't get approached a lot is either stupid or delusional.

A man can approach all the women he wants. But what if said women keep saying no? They love to tease and hold out for someone better. If said better person doesn't come along, she'll sit at home and fantasize about him.

Exactly, and if a man keeps getting constantly rejected by women, he has to fix, change, improve many things about himself, now i'm not saying that he has to change himself in the way in which he would no longer be being himself, but overall, he has to work on himself, his "game", confidence, flirting, social-skills, conversation-skills, approach, attitude, mindset, mentality. However, women just have to wait, sit and stand still looking cute, hot, pretty. A way of looking at it is like applying for a job, looking for a job, job interviews, etc. The man is the applicant, and the woman is the employer, interviewer, obviously, it should not take Rocket Science to see who has the power, authority in making the Hiring Decision. The same-thing applies in dating and relationships, boyfriend/girlfriend, etc.

 

[nismo-4]

I like how this is broken up into paragraphs!

A man controls his own fate and life. What kind of weak mindsht is this believing that women control love, dating and sex?

A man should put himself first.

A man can get sex whenever he wants; we made sure to have services for that. Sure, an attractive, hell, even a semi-attractive woman can sleep with almost whomever she wants. But examine her options. Betas who are lame and boring, jocks who will toss her to the curb, and millionaires who are already married or don't intend to. She has no control, what she wants is not what she ends up with. Include the "slut" label, and an ever-present risk of pregnancy, and you have women who by nature MUST be super picky. That's not control of sex, that's NATURE-intended finding the perfect mate algorithm at work.

Women can choose who to f**k. There are some men who can. Very few though. Also, these services were made so that men can get some pu$$y because not all men are in the elite bracket.

And if you are in a relationship and your woman is denying you sex, then you are weak and have set a shtty frame, you gotta fix it asap.

WOmen like to control men with sex even if they have no intention of going through with it. At that point, a beta who gets sex withheld from him will rent a porno. A criminal, however, will rape her ass.

Women control love? Hardly. Men don't NEED love; yes, we enjoy it, honor it, but we don't crave it, and therefore are not controlled by it. We got cars, hobbies, business, casual sex to keep us company. Women are the ones searching for love, just look at any chick flick. To say that women control love is absurd; it is love (or a promise of it) that controls a woman.

I don't believe most of these chick flicks anyway. But women do look for love. Most of the time, men get tired of talking to their gadgets, cars, and money. Most men don't have pu$$y on demand. And women have to allow you to love them.

Ah, women and dating. This one shouldn't be about control. If it is, then you are doing it wrong. It should be about submission. A woman's ultimate purpose is to submit to her man, wholly. (That's why telling a woman YOU ARE MINE is such an amazing turn on for her). The only bummer is, when dating, once she submits to you, she has all the power, cuz you'd do fking everything to keep her safe.

Women have a seemingly infinite number of options. Flaking is at al all time high. Because women always want that bigger better deal.

Damn.

 

[SgtSplacker]

"A man can get sex whenever he wants; we made sure to have services for that. Sure, an attractive, hell, even a semi-attractive woman can sleep with almost whomever she wants. But examine her options. Betas who are lame and boring, jocks who will toss her to the curb, and millionaires who are already married or don't intend to. She has no control, what she wants is not what she ends up with. Include the "slut" label, and an ever-present risk of pregnancy, and you have women who by nature MUST be super picky. That's not control of sex, that's NATURE-intended finding the perfect mate algorithm at work.

Women can choose who to f**k. There are some men who can. Very few though. Also, these services were made so that men can get some pu$$y because not all men are in the elite bracket."

Know what? this is so true and I never saw it this way. A man can get laid in a much more distinguished manner and suffer less risks than a woman can. Men have created a huge sex industry, the oldest profession even. And it exists to serve us. Girls can't even get in strip clubs without a male escort. Even if a girl goes and picks some random dude up the sex is all about him, not her. He got lucky, not her... she's just a HO wearing it out. That's how she will see it, and that's how anyone looking will see it.

 

[drewsg]

A man controls his own fate and life. What kind of weak mindsht is this believing that women control love, dating and sex?

A man can get sex whenever he wants; we made sure to have services for that. Sure, an attractive, hell, even a semi-attractive woman can sleep with almost whomever she wants. But examine her options. Betas who are lame and boring, jocks who will toss her to the curb, and millionaires who are already married or don't intend to. She has no control, what she wants is not what she ends up with. Include the "slut" label, and an ever-present risk of pregnancy, and you have women who by nature MUST be super picky. That's not control of sex, that's NATURE-intended finding the perfect mate algorithm at work.
And if you are in a relationship and your woman is denying you sex, then you are weak and have set a shtty frame, you gotta fix it asap.

Women control love? Hardly. Men don't NEED love; yes, we enjoy it, honor it, but we don't crave it, and therefore are not controlled by it. We got cars, hobbies, business, casual sex to keep us company. Women are the ones searching for love, just look at any chick flick. To say that women control love is absurd; it is love (or a promise of it) that controls a woman.

Ah, women and dating. This one shouldn't be about control. If it is, then you are doing it wrong. It should be about submission. A woman's ultimate purpose is to submit to her man, wholly. (That's why telling a woman YOU ARE MINE is such an amazing turn on for her). The only bummer is, when dating, once she submits to you, she has all the power, cuz you'd do fking everything to keep her safe.

wow, well put

 

[Ihateinitiatingalot7]

"A man can get sex whenever he wants; we made sure to have services for that. Sure, an attractive, hell, even a semi-attractive woman can sleep with almost whomever she wants. But examine her options. Betas who are lame and boring, jocks who will toss her to the curb, and millionaires who are already married or don't intend to. She has no control, what she wants is not what she ends up with. Include the "slut" label, and an ever-present risk of pregnancy, and you have women who by nature MUST be super picky. That's not control of sex, that's NATURE-intended finding the perfect mate algorithm at work.

Women can choose who to f**k. There are some men who can. Very few though. Also, these services were made so that men can get some pu$$y because not all men are in the elite bracket."

Know what? this is so true and I never saw it this way. A man can get laid in a much more distinguished manner and suffer less risks than a woman can. Men have created a huge sex industry, the oldest profession even. And it exists to serve us. Girls can't even get in strip clubs without a male escort. Even if a girl goes and picks some random dude up the sex is all about him, not her. He got lucky, not her... she's just a HO wearing it out. That's how she will see it, and that's how anyone looking will see it.

if a man can truly get sex whenever he wants, then he should be able to go to a bar and get laid, he should be able to go up to the woman he wants and asks if she wants to hook up, obviously a woman can approach a man like that and the man will say Hell Yes instantly!

 

[Alle_Gory]

No. They can't even control themselves. They are slaves of their own emotions and act instinctivelly.

Not that we're much better as men, but we try and try hard.

 

[Naughty Ninja]

Women only 'control' weak minded excuses for 'men' who are either too pvssy to be a real man and need to be 'complete' with having to have some 'hottie' on his arm, a desperate horndog with no real options, a dude with not much going for himself and so on.

If women did control the dating, sex and love game then why do they need so much 'help' from the media, friends, and constantly seek validation on Flakebook etc?

Why is there so much sales of cosmetics?

Why do they worry about their appearance?

Why get jealous and catty when other chicks are around to be seen as competition?

Why would they even bother with dating sites?

Why are men aimed at to buy things for these single, independant, women in power in western society on Valentines day?

why 'experiment' and become a bisexual to sexually overcome their competition in the attempt to attract the eyes of the hottest males?

Why so many articles, magazines, etc with 'tips' on how to get and keep a 'man'?

There are loads of examples that prove chicks don't control anything in dating, sex and love. Only the men who allow themselves to be manipulated by the 'power' of the pvssy who know they are in a crap relationship or dealing with a waste of their time..are controlled and will do nothing but complain about it.


No one controls anyone. Chicks only 'control' the dating, sex and love game if you are their pawn to be played with. Period.

 

[Ihateinitiatingalot7]

Women only 'control' weak minded excuses for 'men' who are either too pvssy to be a real man and need to be 'complete' with having to have some 'hottie' on his arm, a desperate horndog with no real options, a dude with not much going for himself and so on.

If women did control the dating, sex and love game then why do they need so much 'help' from the media, friends, and constantly seek validation on Flakebook etc?

Why is there so much sales of cosmetics?

Why do they worry about their appearance?

Why get jealous and catty when other chicks are around to be seen as competition?

Why would they even bother with dating sites?

Why are men aimed at to buy things for these single, independant, women in power in western society on Valentines day?

why 'experiment' and become a bisexual to sexually overcome their competition in the attempt to attract the eyes of the hottest males?

Why so many articles, magazines, etc with 'tips' on how to get and keep a 'man'?

There are loads of examples that prove chicks don't control anything in dating, sex and love. Only the men who allow themselves to be manipulated by the 'power' of the pvssy who know they are in a crap relationship or dealing with a waste of their time..are controlled and will do nothing but complain about it.


No one controls anyone. Chicks only 'control' the dating, sex and love game if you are their pawn to be played with. Period.

Even the so-called "Real Men" still get rejected, if Men truly controlled it then they would not get rejected

 

[Naughty Ninja]

Even the so-called "Real Men" still get rejected, if Men truly controlled it then they would not get rejected

So if you get turned down for a job the company is controlling you somehow?

Rejection is seen as you being controlled? Alrighty then.

 

[ebracer05]

Women control the sexual market place but it's because men abdicated their position of leadership. Men used to have standards the expected from and exerted against women... not in the form of subjugation or discrimination, but out of a sense of self respect they had for themselves, as men.

Men used to realize the virtues that this website attempts to impart in the current "guys" of our society. Men used to understand that the "boner test" and willingness to copulate are not the only requisites necessary to to expect from a woman. That's what lands so many guys here in to fits of oneitis and the terrible BDP/crazy experiences they write about.

Men knew what it meant to unapologetically walk away from a less than "worthy woman". They realized there is absolutely nothing wrong with being a man and they are not better than women, but certainly not inferior. They also recognized that men are fundamentally different than women and and must be dealt with with this in mind.

But probably above all, men understood what a sense of self confidence meant and had a clear understanding of their self worth and values that they were not willing to compromise for the sake of a quick or easy lay. And why is this? Because when men act like men, supply is not an issue. Women crave men who act like men and are probably just as frustrated with the average guy as we are with the average woman.

Men have always held a social leadership position and our actions trickle down to women, like it or not. It's one of the functions of our differences as sexes. When we abdicate our position of leadership, we can't be surprised when our women fall out of line as well.

Nowadays, the "males" in the world are more akin to castrati. They have zero awareness of their testosterone and instead of becoming lovers, kings of their domain, and desirable, they become something much less - an orbiter, supplying women with a fairly constant and dependable supply of pure and unadulterated attention crack. This is the ultimate abdication is male leadership because it makes things much more difficult for the rest of us. When women don't believe that real men exist, they take on the same mindset we assume when we believe worthy women do not exist. They have all the attention the need wrapped up in 5 or 6 orbiters that can send them little text messages full of attention periodically throughout the day and buy them tickets to go see the latest chick flick. Maybe they'll even get to hold their hands... but they'll probably never get anywhere with the girl. And if one leaves, who cares? She's pretty, and anymore, she might not even be pretty, but there's still a line of guys who would be ever so eager to take their place.

How do you compete with that?

So women do control the sexual market place at the moment, but it's because of a failure on the part of man to functionally lead.

 

[Ihateinitiatingalot7]

Women control the sexual market place but it's because men abdicated their position of leadership. Men used to have standards the expected from and exerted against women... not in the form of subjugation or discrimination, but out of a sense of self respect they had for themselves, as men.

Men used to realize the virtues that this website attempts to impart in the current "guys" of our society. Men used to understand that the "boner test" and willingness to copulate are not the only requisites necessary to to expect from a woman. That's what lands so many guys here in to fits of oneitis and the terrible BDP/crazy experiences they write about.

Men knew what it meant to unapologetically walk away from a less than "worthy woman". They realized there is absolutely nothing wrong with being a man and they are not better than women, but certainly not inferior. They also recognized that men are fundamentally different than women and and must be dealt with with this in mind.

But probably above all, men understood what a sense of self confidence meant and had a clear understanding of their self worth and values that they were not willing to compromise for the sake of a quick or easy lay. And why is this? Because when men act like men, supply is not an issue. Women crave men who act like men and are probably just as frustrated with the average guy as we are with the average woman.

Men have always held a social leadership position and our actions trickle down to women, like it or not. It's one of the functions of our differences as sexes. When we abdicate our position of leadership, we can't be surprised when our women fall out of line as well.

Nowadays, the "males" in the world are more akin to castrati. They have zero awareness of their testosterone and instead of becoming lovers, kings of their domain, and desirable, they become something much less - an orbiter, supplying women with a fairly constant and dependable supply of pure and unadulterated attention crack. This is the ultimate abdication is male leadership because it makes things much more difficult for the rest of us. When women don't believe that real men exist, they take on the same mindset we assume when we believe worthy women do not exist. They have all the attention the need wrapped up in 5 or 6 orbiters that can send them little text messages full of attention periodically throughout the day and buy them tickets to go see the latest chick flick. Maybe they'll even get to hold their hands... but they'll probably never get anywhere with the girl. And if one leaves, who cares? She's pretty, and anymore, she might not even be pretty, but there's still a line of guys who would be ever so eager to take their place.

How do you compete with that?

So women do control the sexual market place at the moment, but it's because of a failure on the part of man to functionally lead.

it makes makes it sound like as if we men actually have the final say, the first refusal, as in we do the choosing, not women

 

[zekko]

So if you get turned down for a job the company is controlling you somehow?

Rejection is seen as you being controlled? Alrighty then.

Maybe you're not being controlled in that situation, but you're definitely not doing the controlling either.

Neither gender really controls the dating game, unless maybe they're at or near 10 level value. But traditionally men put their bid in, and women are the selectors. It's that way throughout most of nature.

if a man can truly get sex whenever he wants, then he should be able to go to a bar and get laid, he should be able to go up to the woman he wants and asks if she wants to hook up, obviously a woman can approach a man like that and the man will say Hell Yes instantly!

Check out this thread from the Mature Man forum about floosies grabbing guys' junk in bars. It doesn't sound like guys appreciate the direct approach from women very much. Apparently aggressive women do not exude femininity:

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=194423