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I think Str8up speaks the truth and it CAN be depressing when you start to realize just how bad it is or has the potential to be.

I would say especially here in the states, that women exploit men to no end. Not because their inherently "bad", but because their in prime position to do so. They're protected not only by government, but society as a whole allows them to behave in such ways without taking responsibility.

Sure, they all don't act like this, but my god I can't even begin to tell you how many women I know or have met who have the pedestal mentality and either have BFs or husbands and are willing to mess around behind their backs. I know there are men who do this as well, but now, men have much more to lose out of this behavior than women ever have.

The only way to minimize this is to be percieved as having good value and not tolerating BS. When someone feels they'd lose something they consider valuable, they will do what it takes to prevent that from happening. Your value is under constant scrutiny because there's a surplus of options all around.

I do realize that you have to come to terms with this (and I have) in order to move on with your life in dealing with women and discussions like these actually have helped me make better decisions especially when qualifying women, but I can't ignore what I see around me.

Concerning both women and men, if you grow up in an environment where there doesn't seem to be any clear boundaries and guidelines for living a decent life and treating others the way you'd like to be treated, you will get these types of results. Pure selfishness and narcissism.
 

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Tazman said:
Sure, they all don't act like this, but my god I can't even begin to tell you how many women I know or have met who have the pedestal mentality and either have BFs or husbands and are willing to mess around behind their backs. I know there are men who do this as well, but now, men have much more to lose out of this behavior than women ever have.
This is exactly what I am trying to say.

No doubt it is possible to meet a woman who won't screw you over like that, but I firmly believe that ALL people have the potential to cheat and such, it's just a matter of the right person pushing the right buttons at the right time. Meaning, if you just had a fight with your girl and she's feeling an emotional void, sometimes that's all it takes for her to justify behaving inappropriately
. And I've been around long enough not to assume that ANYONE is incapable of screwing you over. Too many people have gone jeckyl and hyde on me in my life.

I know a few of you guys really get what I am saying and understand that I am not bitter, I just get frustrated at times being the stand up guy when other people seem to care less and have no hesitation acting with utter disregard for me, my time, my feelings, etc.

I'm feeling better though....just one of my moods lately. Thanks for all the constructive replies fellas.
 

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Tazman and Str8up you both aren't making any sense.

Why say this? >>>>>>> "I firmly believe that ALL people have the potential to cheat and such, it's just a matter of the right person pushing the right buttons at the right time."

First off take responsibility, NO ONE has the "potential" to cheat or rip you off if you don't give them the opportunity. You mentioned who your best friend took money from you, money is money, if you leave it on the table and leave the door open to take it I will, can you blame me? Sure you can say that I'm unethical for doing so but aren't you just as unethical for leaving the door wide open and not taking responsibility?

I'm sick of the consistent whining on this site by you guys about how women are ripping off people, women are trying to screw people, women are the Hitlers of the United States, this is stupid, immature, and damn right untrue.

It is YOU who want to GIVE women money, cars, a great life, it is YOU who want to take care of them, and then you get PISSED when they take advantage of you?

That's stupid.

If you would learn to accept women as they are and just "enjoy" the moments with them INSTEAD of always trying to GIVE them something that they quite honestly DIDN'T ASK FOR, then you wouldn't be so DISSAPPOINTED in their lack of eagerness to pay you back.

1.) It is YOU who want to have a great fulfilling relationship with certain women and have family trees, etc. Who said the WOMAN in particular wanted that? What if she just wanted a good fvck and move on?

2.) It is YOU who want to build up your bodies in the gym 8 hours a day to look "perfect" for women. Who said that the WOMAN in particular even cared about the body of the guy?

3.) It is YOU who want to take women on dates and even think that a date is even needed! Who the hell SAIDDD the woman wanted to even GO ON A DATE?

Str8up and others that think like you, you are nothing more than an AFC. A guy that is frustrated with WOMEN because YOU want to give, give, give, and believe that all women should have the same mindset of give, give, give, and that's UNFAIR to put somebody in that position just because YOU FEEL that's the "WAY IT SHOULD BE."

That's like buying someone you haven't EVER exchanged goods with a Christmas gift and getting pissed when they don't buy anything back. Then saying, Screw this, I'm never buying presents again.

That's stupid.
 

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Dude....you're off your rocker, and quite frankly a bit of an ass hole. Go find another thread to disrupt.
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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Off of my rocker, excuse me?

This is a discussion forum and I have every right to express my "opinions" on your so called, "situation" that YOU are burying yourself in.

You are off YOUR rocker, don't commit to personally attacking me just because I won't by into your statements of "women are all out to get you."

Maybe it's like the previous responder said, maybe you don't post these threads to hear what others have to say but instead want someone to reinforce your own internal fallacies.

You want someone to do this :)yes: ) and kiss up to you all day, I don't know who the heck you think you are but I'm not kissing up to you.

You once were a Don Juan and now you are going back to being an AFC with your own messed up internal beliefs, and if you THINK I'm about to sit up here and AGREE with your crap you are sadly mistaken.

Call me whatever you want.
 

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Being from norway, I wonder if women are like this outside america and the american social conditioning.
 

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fireguy you might not know me from adam or even care, but I think you guys are concluding with the wrong beliefs. You are setting yourself up for rejection and pain, just with the way you guys are categorizing women, and for the record, it's not ACCURATE.

Look out into the field, there are many high quality and trustworthy women out there, I've met more than the latter.

You guys might not agree with me, and I believe it's more due to internal focus than anything.

I don't see women as being corrupt and evil, I see them as friends, sexual partners, and lovers. I have no problems meeting women, making love, or maintaining them. I don't GIVE them anything, I share in the romantic interest.

You guys see different, honestly, because I believe it's the aspects of humanity in women that you are viewing negative. For example, you go up to a woman to start a conversation and the woman in particular gives off vibes of being "stuck up" to YOU, when in actuality the woman could be shy as hell and just don't know what to say. Isn't it YOU that should be breaking the walls down and getting everybody to feel in a GOOD MOOD? Isn't that your job as the Don Juan, the "life of the party?"

I'm amazed at the vast information on this website that either you guys aren't reading or understanding, because you obviously aren't applying it as evidence of your posts, your backing of guys like Str8up, and the consistent whining like AFCs about how women are "Hitler."

I thought it was summed up awhile ago, "Women aren't the problem, it's YOU."

It is the TRUE AND PURE definition of an AFC to think the opposite. I don't care what you look like or how much money you make or how much of a MAN you think you are, if you think like that you are an AFC and that THINKING ALONE gets you....

Rejected!

And Str8up wonders why he can't find a "High Quality Girl" it's because he's not "High Quality" himself.
 

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Gerard-890 said:
You are off YOUR rocker, don't commit to personally attacking me just because I won't by into your statements of "women are all out to get you."
Uh, lets set something straight here. I can point to a good half dozen places where you called me "stupid" and such on this thread, yet you accuse ME of attacking YOU??

And for the umpteenth bajillionth time will you people PLEASE read my threads before launching into these tirades? I never stated that "women are out to get you" or that they are "hitler" as you imply. Get it right, THEN comment.
 

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I thought it was summed up awhile ago, "Women aren't the problem, it's YOU."
NO, it hasn't been summed up. Our culture today fosters a negative attitude toward men. It ISN'T all about "you" if you have a hard time finding decent women.

And Str8up wonders why he can't find a "High Quality Girl" it's because he's not "High Quality" himself.
You can assume anything you like but unless you have met me you have no idea.
 

Well I'm here to tell you there is such a magic wand. Something that will make you almost completely irresistible to any woman you "point it" at. Something guaranteed to fill your life with love, romance, and excitement.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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Gerard-890 said:
Off of my rocker, excuse me?

This is a discussion forum and I have every right to express my "opinions" on your so called, "situation" that YOU are burying yourself in.

You are off YOUR rocker, don't commit to personally attacking me just because I won't by into your statements of "women are all out to get you."

Maybe it's like the previous responder said, maybe you don't post these threads to hear what others have to say but instead want someone to reinforce your own internal fallacies.

You want someone to do this :)yes: ) and kiss up to you all day, I don't know who the heck you think you are but I'm not kissing up to you.

You once were a Don Juan and now you are going back to being an AFC with your own messed up internal beliefs, and if you THINK I'm about to sit up here and AGREE with your crap you are sadly mistaken.

Call me whatever you want.
You are either pvssyeater, iqqi or some other fraud. I'm not sure which but you are some poster or another trolling.
 

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Str8up number one: I read your thread, what are you talking about?

Number two, I said the way you are thinking is stupid, I personally think (without even meeting you) that you are intelligent. Why you choose to think rationally in other areas of life and not in romance is beyond me.

Number three, the whole "our culture fosters negative attitudes towards men" is bull crap. It's like how the middle class and lower class claim how the government shows favoritism to the "upper class citizens," consistent lies preached out to the masses to start a "revolution" based off a fallacy.

Men run this damn country, I made a post about how I was afraid of false rape allegations but that wasn't because I thought "men are victims."

The government, the media, nor society have men as VICTIMS, you and Pook need to rewrite your theories because I read Pook saying something like that on his blog.

For one thing, women are nothing but "sexual objects" in the eyes of the media and shown as nothing worth anything but for "sex." Men are Presidents, CEOs, champions, leaders, etc, etc.....plus majority of them run the major corporations, banks, government positions...and MEN are the victims of society?

I'm not saying women are victims either, but if ANYBODY has an advantage in TODAY'S world it's a man, I can provoide countless pieces of evidence to support this information.

Str8up your whole internal beliefs are wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. And Number four, I don't know you but based on the way you THINK, you might thik you are hiding these internal beliefs from women while you are "sarging" but trust me, they are coming out.

And the high quality women are probably avoiding you. Wasn't it you the other day who were upset because you didn't "sarge" an attractive lady who came to view one of your properties?

I told you that was unprofessional and leave business be business, and to sarge on your own time, but you believed that what you were considering was the "professional" way to go.

I think it just spills out DESPERATION.

Str8up, I'm really trying to help you here, you are going back down the path to AFC.
 

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Ketostix I have no idea what you are talking about by saying I'm causing problems, but I am not the only person in this thread that disagrees with Str8up's views, many have.

Why for the simple reason that I take a different stand against what he believes that I qualify to be a troll or a fraud, confuses the heck out of me.

I am entitled to my own opinion and I read the rules of this forum, I am not trolling but politely disagreeing with the OP and offering alternative advice.

The definition of trolling is to post comments off-topic with no merit to the discussion at hand. How are my replies trolling?

So I know I haven't violated forum rules.

If you choose to categorize me as whatever then go right ahead, I will still be right here standing for what I believe in and Str8up's views and beliefs are flawed and anybody who takes up his position on this issue the same has the wrong internal beliefs.

I am not going back on what I said just so I don't get banned.

Plus I don't think I will get banned because of have done nothing wrong, I contributed to the discussion and I was on topic.

What nerve you have to call me a fraud? Maybe you are speaking to yourself?
 

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Gerard-890 said:
Number three, the whole "our culture fosters negative attitudes towards men" is bull crap. It's like how the middle class and lower class claim how the government shows favoritism to the "upper class citizens," consistent lies preached out to the masses to start a "revolution" based off a fallacy.
Not even close to a good euphamism.

Changes in our society over the past 30 or 40 years have created an unnatural environment for fostering healthy male/femlae relationships. Women are enjoying a TEMPORARY power trip. It might not correct itself in our generation but rest assured that things will eventually settle to a happy medium.

For one thing, women are nothing but "sexual objects" in the eyes of the media and shown as nothing worth anything but for "sex." Men are Presidents, CEOs, champions, leaders, etc, etc.....plus majority of them run the major corporations, banks, government positions...and MEN are the victims of society?
Because women's PRIMARY value is based upon looks, whereas a mans value is based predominantly on status an other things.
 

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"Too many people have gone jeckyl and hyde on me in my life."

Thats the strangest goddamned phenomenon ever isn't it Str8up?

I've had friends turn on me too unexpectadly over the years and I treated these dudes with nothing but respect.

Someone should make a thread theorizing why this happens.
 

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KontrollerX said:
"Too many people have gone jeckyl and hyde on me in my life."

Thats the strangest goddamned phenomenon ever isn't it Str8up?

I've had friends turn on me too unexpectadly over the years and I treated these dudes with nothing but respect.

Someone should make a thread theorizing why this happens.
No need. I'll tell you why. it's because people are selfish at their core, and every relationship has a price. Some the price might be a stick of chewing gum, some might be tens of millions of dollars. But rest assured MOST of your "friends" would gladly trade you in if the price was right.
 

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Okay Str8up, maybe that's just what you are encountering. I personally have had other results.

The women seem mostly highly sexual and independent, meaning they are doing their own thing and enjoying life without men. The reason we get along so good is because we both seem to have a common interest in romantic, sexual things. I am a very sexual person.

I've for the most part encountered loving, caring, and supporting women.

Now if you say in the last 30-40 years society has turned women into having a power trip, then I can't conclude and agree with that because I have experienced different.

I also don't think your analogy on women basing their overall value of a man on status. I think that's one of the key things but I don't think that's the foundation because I have seen guys with no status attract beautiful and high quality women.

I do understand where you are coming from with the notion that "women aren't as submissive to men" etc, and I do agree with that but only for the reason that they don't have to be and there's nothing wrong with that.

Women can take care of themselves, and they walk independently because of that fact...they don't need men to take care of them anymore. If that is what you call the "power trip" then I seriously think you need to readjust your allegations.

What's wrong with women having arrogance and high self esteem? What's wrong with her thinking she's hot and fine and the best thing since sliced bread? You know something Str8up, maybe if you took the time and looked at your own life, maybe you would adopt a similar mindset and think you are the best thing since sliced bread too, then maybe PEOPLE WITH SELF-ESTEEM wouldn't scare you so much.
 

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And Str8up listen to your other sayings, it's not just women it's EVERYBODY. Now you are saying friends will screw you over too?

You think you have a "revealation" but in actuality you don't, what you have is a wrong notion reinforced by inaccurate images. Your current internal beliefs will take you either one or two places:

1.) To WITHHOLDING being yourself and truly letting go around people for fear of someone "getting you."

2.) Over the edge and insane, because I believe you are a type of person that likes to enjoy people, trust people, and be with people. Sort of like a people person, and by adopting these internal beliefs you have to no longer be what you are biologically in some sorts. This could drive you crazy my friend.

Seriously.

Trust me, I hear what you are saying but the beliefs are just not accurate man. What's true is true, what's a spade is a spade, I'm telling you with nothing against you or anybody else who believes like you, those beliefs are not accurate.

Str8up, you probably won't accept what I'm saying but I am trying to assist you. Just try to do this:

1.) Go and write down all of your beliefs
2.) Then go out and find research, facts, and proof that the images and beliefs you have are correct.

When you research, don't just go on what seduction artists, lover doctors, scientific examinations, but also include what you are SEEING in the field.

Come on Str8up seriously, you know it's not REALLY what you are thinking it is right? I mean this is all a joke correct?
 

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I couldn't plow through this whole thread, but it does look like you do need a break, bro.

A lot of one-itis evident in that 1st post, though it may not be apparent.

Everyone who presents himself reasonably well will often "vibe" with people who are married, attached, unable to come to grips with age difference, or otherwise circumstantially, emotionally, or dogmatically unavailable. Just take some satisfaction from being able to generate that vibe (assuming it indeed was there), and roll with it.

... in other words, better to laugh (or better yet, crack a wry smile).
 

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Bonhomme said:
Everyone who presents himself reasonably well will often "vibe" with people who are married, attached, unable to come to grips with age difference, or otherwise circumstantially, emotionally, or dogmatically unavailable. Just take some satisfaction from being able to generate that vibe (assuming it indeed was there), and roll with it.

... in other words, better to laugh (or better yet, crack a wry smile).
Wow that's a great attitude. Especially with something ends. Even if you didn't take it "all the way" at least there was something there to "take all the way" to begin with.
 
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