potato said:
Actually he has made his money telling guys like you how to pick up women. If you already had experience attracting women and had a more skeptical personality you wouldn’t have bought into it so religious like. Beside what has happened to Mystery (Erik von Markovik)? Didn’t he go crazy? (crazier?) Have a mental breakdown or something. Yea that’s a guy I want to believe in.
The bottom line is, he would probably have way more success picking up girls in a club than you or I would. Yeah maybe he's full of sh*t, but then how do I know that you're not full of sh*t? You're an anonymous poster on an internet website. For all I know you could be some 350 lb ball of lard, ya know?
I generally believe that the market gets it right. Yes sometimes it gets it wrong and the people who can identify when it does get things wrong often become billionaires. The guy has made a lot of money selling books and has earned a TV show. I highly doubt a TV producer would have spent a few million producing a show if he didn't believe that Mystery was at least semi-decent with women.
That's more than can be said for anyone here, isn't it? How many people would pay to learn the "potato method?"
Pick up didn’t exist before the birth control pill became widely available in the sixties and the advent of large dance clubs in the seventies. Pick up artists and their community didn’t come into existence until the late eighties.
Yup and this is a specific kind of game that pickup artistry caters to. Believe it or not, clubs and bars tend to attract very attractive women who are at the peak of their attractiveness. They also tend to attract a lot of good looking, rich guys too. The competition is stiff. For most people, it requires effort to get at good at that specific kind of game.
Make not mistake about it, the advent of reliable birth control has changed the mating game big time....for better or for worse.
What this means is that guys were getting women for thousands, no millions of years before the whole PUA thing ever came up.
Yes, and pickup studies what works and what doesn't work. You make it sound like "negs" are the only thing there is to pickup. That's like reading one trick play out of the Ravens' playbook and saying that their offense is useless.
To say that eye contact is somehow a PUA thing, like no one ever thought of it until some PUA guru sold the idea, is rather absurd.
No one said that. This is obviously not something that PUAs invented. It would be more accurate to say that it's something that PUAs studied. But PUAs do advocate this. Believe it or not a lot of these "natural" things don't come naturally to a lot of guys. That's why websites like this exist! If none of us never had any problems attracting women, why would there be so many websites dedicated to learning about attraction?
Actually it is a mammal thing. Baboons, dogs, and horses use eye contact in their mating rituals. You sound a little like those religious crazies who think that people can’t be moral without religion.
You obviously have a problem with reading comprehension. I didn't claim PUAs "invented" these things. But they do incorporate many of these things into their methodologies.
Actually the whole pseudo science of PUA methodology was developed to pick up bar wh*res. They show up at bars/clubs with the expectation of getting picked up.
Some of these "bar wh*res" are quite hot and they wouldn't give you the time of the day. Yes, they want to get picked up but not necessarily by you. In fact demand for them far exceeds the supply.
The misconception that a lot of guys have is that all slvts are easy. The ugly ones are. But the hot ones....the 9s and the 10s aren't. Sure they're down to f*ck but they're not going to f*ck just anyone. Few things are in higher demand than a gorgeous woman.
That guys have to pay to learn how to pick up the easiest women in the world is rather silly.
You obviously haven't been to a high end bar or club in a long time. Go to the Meat Packing District. Sure there are some fuglies as there are anywhere, but there's plenty of top shelf @$$ there too....HB9s and 10s etc. These broads shoot down millionaire Wall Street guys driving Maseratis. They are far from the "easiest women in the world." They are hot, young women who are looking to have a good time and they have options.
I should add that there's plenty of free PUA stuff. I bought a couple of books but that's about it. Most of it is available for free over the internet.
This is why PUAs fail so miserably with strippers – the strippers don’t want to be picked up.
Who the hell tries to pickup a stripper?
If bars/clubs are the only place that you are finding women....
They're not the only place. I find women through work, at the gym, through my social circle etc. But certainly if you're looking for some short term fun with a hot girl, a bar/club is a good place to look.
You seem to be conflating LTR game with pickup. These are two different ballgames. Sure there's a lot of overlap, but the games are played differently.
18-25 year old hotties are a dime a dozen.
18-25 year old women are at their peak attractiveness. Sure there are some 30+ year olds and 40 year olds that are very hot but those are few and far between. You don't find too many porn stars or swimsuit models in their 30s and 40s. Almost all of them are between 18 and 25......there's a reason for that.
By time they reach 30 half of them aren’t so hot and by the time they reach 40 probably 80 percent or more are downright unattractive.
That's true, but the aim of pickup isn't to pickup women who are past their peak sexual market value.
Again, you seem to be mixing up long term game with pickup. I really could care less if a hot 21 year old girl at the club is going to be ugly when she's 40. I just want to fvck her tonight or some time in the near future.
18-25 year old men tend to be rather immature and by time they become mature in their thirties most are too out of shape to attract any woman. What this means is that guys like me who matured early and have kept their health and maintained their body into their fifties are extremely attractive to those few women who remain hot after age 27 or so and have been for a very long time.
You're obviously talking about a different ballgame here. The aim of pickup isn't to secure long term commitment. It's not to find a wife. The aim is to try and act out your wildest fantasies with women.
I don't know about you, but most of the women that I consider sexiest are between 18 and 25. I think the vast majority of men, if subjected to a boner test, would prove my point. I don't think there are lots of dudes whose wildest fantasies involve 30 and 40 year olds.
On an animalistic level a woman is most attracted to the guy she sees as having the best genetic material as such a guy would enable her to produce the best children.
Agreed.
So at fifty with a body that most 20 something guys wish they had and the charms and intelligence that they are likely to never achieve; is it any wonder that a twenty something woman would approach me saying things like “Hi sexy” while pressing her body up against mine?
A 21 year old chick at the club probably isn't looking for a long term partner. She's just looking for a guy who's going to make her 'gina tingle. Intelligence doesn't factor too much into the question. This is why the ripped, 6-packed Jersey-shore douchebag with an IQ of 80 can clean house in a club.
The difference between "bar/club game" and LTR game is that the girls at the club are simply out looking to have fun. They're not looking for their future husband.
