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[[S]alvatore]

I honestly think i've become less intelligent by reading this thread. Anyway, carry on.

 

[God_of_getting_layed]

Damn, I logged in here and seen that Delta's thread has grown to 8 pages.

I look in here expecting some great new wisdom to learn, and it's another fvcking Looks Matter shyt.

And who else? The Dobe Of Getting Rejected.

Listen guys, IGNORE this guy.

He has nothing better to do, then log in here every month and get into a pointless debate with another guy on this forum about why Looks Matter so much.

He adds nothing to this forum at all, but extra thread pages.

You guys need to ignore this guy, PERIOD.

If you ignore a jackazz, pretty soon he just gets tired of being a jackazz and goes away.

You want a discussion, come into the Tips Section. Read my thread I got going on Here's the Magic Pill, and also da dynically's "The Secret" thread.

Invest your time in this forum WISELY, do not invest your time talking to this Dobe.

- John

why dont you go join Deus, and argue how looks matter as much as blue pants do?

Too bad for Deus, he has you on his side. Id be embarassed if I had a blundering moron like you arguing on my side. You know theres something wrong with your argument when a moron like you is siding with it.

 

[God_of_getting_layed]

Why? It's all nuts and bolts, man. Bells and whistles. The meat and potatoes, when you get right down to it, the core, is what matters. PERSONALITY. CONFIDENCE. How you act, what you say, HOW you say it. This is what matters. Not if your facial structure is symmetrical, not if your pants are blue. Sure, some women are shallow too. But without the meat and potatoes, you are left with an empty shell which equates to a night home alone. But hey, at least the chick that is getting plowed by that fat bald dude that made her feel like a real woman at the club thought you were "cute".

do you seriously have a doubt that a good looking (ah heck, you're saying looks don't matter so let's say STUNNINGLY HOT) PUA will do far better than a hideous PUA with the same level of skill?

The hideous guy will probably do better. The woman will respect this guy for having courage and confidence (there's that quality again) to approach her. The stunning guy on the other hand, will intimidate every girl he approaches and instantly plant the word "player" on his forehead before saying a word. Now I'm not going to say I'm stunning, because the flames would burn me alive. But I will say that I've experienced this exact phenomenon before, and it made me feel like absolute crap.

i've been arguing here because i didn't think the axe you had to grind would overpower reason.

I have no axe to grind other than to free some minds...hopefully.



Repressed anger much? Calm down. I'll promise to work on inserting personal attacks, spelling errors, and empty threats into my posts if you promise to learn how to take a deep breath and count to ten.

This whole thread here just proves how much in Denial you are. It proves it!

If thats not the case, then you seriously must have a low IQ. Like Delta says, theres no way any logical person could truly beleive the kind of things you are beleiving.

 

[God_of_getting_layed]

this is the heart of your argument and it is specious.

you say the above in service to your argument - that looks don't matter. but it does not properly argue that.

sure, absolutely, if you are not gutsy enough to approach and open your mouth, then you get nowhere. fine. NO ONE CONTESTS THIS.

but that is a far way from saying that looks don't matter.

This is exactly what I am saying. This is an argument about how and why looks are without a doubt definitely a factor. Yet these "looks DONT matter" Henchmen like Deus always try t point out why personality is such a big factor. Yet, no one contests that, and this is a discussion about weither or not looks matter, not about weither or not personality matters. So in a sense, these "looks dont matter" goons are actually getting off topic any time they point out why personality helps.

it's kinda like arguing that SMARTS don't matter when you take a test. all you need to do is have the guts to show up.

Perfect analagy. I always compared it to a car. Its like saying Gasoline doesnt matter to get the car to move, all you need is the competance to drive the car. same thing. Yet one guy ( DJF or John) actually tried to butcher my analagy, and explain why its wrong. go figure with these "looks dont matter" idiots.

according to what you wrote above, CONFIDENCE. PERSONALITY. that's it.

THese "looks DONT matter" henchmen (Deus and DJF or John specifically) have an argument that basically comes down to this: PERSONALITY IS THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS.

what a joke.

argh. you have an axe to grind. fine. go grind it.

Deus isnt the only guy who has an axe to grind, DJF or John also has one. I beleive there are a few others also who are so bent on doing what ever it will take NOT to believe looks matter.

 

[Delta]

gogl,

yah. it can be frustrating when people are impervious to at least what seems extremely logical to us.

but what can you do? <shrug>

live and let live. some people will believe simply what they want or need to believe. no skin off my nose.

peace

delta

 

[ricorico]

I can't wait to see this doofu"s Dues pic. The only time a hot girl will pick a doofy PUA over a good looking PUA is if her self esteem is sooooooooooo low she would rather be with a guy who turns her off than one who turns her on.


In other words do "Sympathy f***). One thing women want is a guy other women find attractive and want him. Hot women like a bit of competition. In fact all women like competition. That's why they try to date guys with looks or big bucks. So their friends can envy them.

I guess Dues analogy says women would rather date poor guys than rich ones too. I mean if they do not want to be intimidated and afraid to lose their men,would'nt poor UGG guys be dating a bunch of hot chicks? So good looking guys and rich guys are dateless in Dues's world.

Dues has to admit to himself he gives girls a creepy feeling when he talks to them and that is the problem. His "supposed" good looks don't drive girls away. His creepiness,his dilussional mind,and his senseless arguing do.He probably has weird eyes too. I'm even getting creepy vibes from him over the internet.

 

[ricorico]

So a girl can recognize "nice" in a few seconds you come up to talk to her? Get real, it's something else that turns them off. My good-looking buddies are always "nice" to the girls when they pull the digits. In fact, they tell me they make it a point not to look overly confident as that is usually mistaken as conceit in Good looking guys.''

My friend who had the girl come back into the coffee shop with her phone number did not say a word to her. His looks made her want him. How did she know anything about his personality? How about all the digits he gets at gas stations or otheer places. Most guys when they have a few minutes to get digits act nice. So by you being good looking and simply being "nice" is not the problem.

Perhaps you have a very feminine voice which can be a turn-off or creepy eyes or real bad breath and not know it,or just wimpy nice which turns women off as it's not a masculine quality.. It's something else and not your "good looks' turning women from all over off.

. You claim women all tell you that you are good-looking and nice.No matter what you ask a girl, she will usually lie to you cause girls hate to hurt guy's feelings. Especially if you are their friend.

Better to have a guy critique you.One who's brutally hones. You have bigger issues than you think.

 

[I Want To Be a Playa]

Gentlemen, were you paying attention at all? The man you are arguing with said this a little over a year and a half ago:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Deus ex Pianoforte
01-02-2006, 02:36 AM #2
Deus ex Pianoforte Master Don Juan Join Date: Sep 2005Location: CaliforniaAge: 24Posts: 500 I have a feeling you will be fairly disappointed with the results for a number of reasons. One, I'm guessing you're not even close to as good-looking as Christian Bale. Aside from being in perfect shape, the guy has flawless facial features. This would be enough to attract women alone, even if he was a bumbling fool who constantly stumbles over his words. Fantastic movie, good luck with your experiment...I can't wait to hear what happens, heh.

Deus, I'd say that qualifies for "meat and potatoes"

 

[I Want To Be a Playa]

You have lost the will to debate......ladies and gentleman, I have no further questions.

He's right Deus, that is a weak ass response and it appears you have lost your will to debate. You now come across as if you are pleading with everyone to stop the looks threads because you just can't support your arguments anymore. Too bad, it was fun watching you crumble.

 

[TotalAFC]

What does it take to get banned around here?

What, being good-looking? Not really. Again, we're talking about taking girls home, getting their numbers, and closing them. That statement that you exhumed from 2005 referred to attraction alone.

He's right Deus, that is a weak ass response and it appears you have lost your will to debate.

It appears that way to you, because you are trolling and that scenario would benefit your agenda the most. In actuality, I have to take a break from giong back and forth with God_of_getting_layed after some time, as it gets stale. All I hear after awhile is, "Looks matter looks matter anyone who doesn't agree is stupid retarded slow looks matter". Think of it as...a little refresher.

 

[thirtyplus]

I'm kind of interested, in an academic way at least, in what it would take to penetrate these guys' ideological reality.

What would it take to shatter their reality to the point that they would finally release their ideology? Would an in-field demonstration work? Would hearing it from the horse's mouth (a woman) work? Would it take more than that?

IS there anything more than that?

 

[NorPacWolf]

There's nothing that can be done for these guys. They have to have the motivation to change.

I'm kind of interested, in an academic way at least, in what it would take to penetrate these guys' ideological reality.

What would it take to shatter their reality to the point that they would finally release their ideology? Would an in-field demonstration work? Would hearing it from the horse's mouth (a woman) work? Would it take more than that?

IS there anything more than that?

 

[L777]

Couple of weeks ago we were at a coffee shop and this 9.5 babe leaves. Comes back and says, I never do this, but I had to come back and give this. Walks out and here is her phone number.He just takes it and laughs.
.

BS. I have similar friends and I guarantee this doesn't happen.

Come to think of it, this thread is BS....you guys think your DJs? No, you're all just really insecure, you need to get out more.

 

[NorPacWolf]

See what I mean?

BS. I have similar friends and I guarantee this doesn't happen.

Come to think of it, this thread is BS....you guys think your DJs? No, you're all just really insecure, you need to get out more.

 

[All The Answers]

I'm inclined to believe that NOTHING is enough. There's been videos posted of ugly guys picking up hot women. There's been numerous accounts of women confirming that looks don't matter. I don't think anything will ever be enough. The kool-aid swilling crew is too far gone for such hard evidence and data. Nothing short of a miracle can open their minds to the full potential of men, I'm afraid.

the seduction school series??? of the 3 guys? last time i checked, the 2 ugly guys in those videos only managed to talk to girls and get a pity # after begging for it really hard, and none of them ended up kissing or ****ing any of the girls, EXCEPT for the best looking one of the guys

and even then, the girl he made out with, was a hb7 at the very best.

 

[L777]

I'm inclined to believe that NOTHING is enough. There's been videos posted of ugly guys picking up hot women. There's been numerous accounts of women confirming that looks don't matter. I don't think anything will ever be enough. The kool-aid swilling crew is too far gone for such hard evidence and data. Nothing short of a miracle can open their minds to the full potential of men, I'm afraid.

I am actually sick of this f.ucking debate, I mean, I'm actually physically annoyed, which doesn't happen very often.

Here's how much looks matters, I see no reason to carry on this damn thread or debate after this post. Yes there are exceptions to this thing below, but in general, regarding the majority of the population, I think this is fairly accurate. 7 is average on my looks scale, not 5, SEVEN.

1---2---3---4.---5---6-*-7---8---9---10

All other things taken out of the equation, the closer to the right of the scale, the easier you are going to have it, full stop, period, no arguements.

The asterisk is roughly the minium requirement you need to be physically to pull MOST normal (as in, of sound mind) girls, who are to the right of that point themselves (HBs in other words.) How far to the right of you the girl you are trying to pull is, determines how hard it will be for you, and how good your game will have to be.

Now, this thing "looks" is not just bone structure of the face. It incorporates height (which can't be changed so don't get hung up on it), build, and grooming (I personally believe clothes don't make that much difference). I believe a decent body can move you up a whole point, and a good body (really built and ripped - takes years to achieve) can move you up 2 points, and good grooming (hair, skin etc) can move you up half a point) however, if you are not at least up to the dot though (thats on the 4) then as you can see, even a great body and grooming will not move you to the magic asterisk, so thats when you are screwed.

However, most, and I mean the vast, vast majority are average (7) at least - in terms of genetics. I have only, in my 5 months at university seen one person who I would consider genuinely, unchangeably ugly - sure I seen a lot of unattractive guys, but they could all change if they wanted it bad enough.

Don't believe hotornot and sites like that. I could pull 2 photos off my computer of myself and probably get 9 for one and 5 for the other, neither of which are fair reflections of me, I'd say I'm about an 8.

There, PLEASE let that be the end of the debate and the needless posting of looks matter/don't matter etc threads.

 

[ricorico]

777, It does happen to my friend all the time. He looks like that blond guy from Lost, but actually built better. Many girls come up and ask him if he's as model. He gets laid very easily. Too easy and can't figure out why guys complain how hard it is to date fine women. I have another friend who is equally good looking. By the time he was 16 he had a hot 25 year old woman spending her husbands hard earned money on him , buying him everything he wanted. Life is a lot easier for good looking people. Even getting a job is easier. Near my house there are a lot of good looking guys working at the Abocrombie. Especially hired because they bring in a lot of girls.

As for looks don't matter and proof..........
well,You all remember the show "Average Joe"? Well some of the Ugg guys were wimps,BUT some had attitude.

But the simple fact is, after doing the show 3x and trying to come out with different outcomes(producers hoping to prove looks don't matter and have the beauty choose the "average Joe"), the girls chose the model guys EVERYTIME.

Worse yet, the beauties who had previously said looks did'nt matter and that is why they were specifically chosen for the show all threatened to walk off(all 3 ) after viewing the men and seeing the UGGS .That's even bfore giving themselves a chance to know them. The network had back-up girls available each time and told them if they would not do the show, some other gal would. Faced with no airtime, the girls all did the show. But noone chose the avearage Joe's in the long run.Their first reactions and the final outcome were all the same. Not too good for the average Joes.

Talk about a reality check!The Networks were so dissapointed their experiment was coming off this way, Season 3 added plastic surgery and personality makeovers for the "Average Joe's" to try to level the playing field. But the AJ's were never as good looking as the models even after the Plastic surgery and the personality makeover. Once again after part 3 the good looking guy was chosen and the Networks gave up on doing the show because they lost viewership as the outcomes were not what people wanted to see.


And remember, the girls were not interested in the guys and threatened to walk off the set even before they got to know the AJ's. So you can't argue the low self esteem BS!!

 

[L777]

777, It does happen to my friend all the time. He looks like that blond guy from Lost, but actually built better. Many girls come up and ask him if he's as model. He gets laid very easily. Too easy and can't figure out why guys complain how hard it is to date fine women. I have another friend who is equally good looking. By the time he was 16 he had a hot 25 year old woman spending her husbands hard earned money on him , buying him everything he wanted. Life is a lot easier for good looking people. Even getting a job is easier. Near my house there are a lot of good looking guys working at the Abocrombie. Especially hired because they bring in a lot of girls.

As for looks don't matter and proof..........
well,You all remember the show "Average Joe"? Well some of the Ugg guys were wimps,BUT some had attitude.

But the simple fact is, after doing the show 3x and trying to come out with different outcomes(producers hoping to prove looks don't matter and have the beauty choose the "average Joe"), the girls chose the model guys EVERYTIME.

Worse yet, the beauties who had previously said looks did'nt matter and that is why they were specifically chosen for the show all threatened to walk off(all 3 ) after viewing the men and seeing the UGGS .That's even bfore giving themselves a chance to know them. The network had back-up girls available each time and told them if they would not do the show, some other gal would. Faced with no airtime, the girls all did the show. But noone chose the avearage Joe's in the long run.Their first reactions and the final outcome were all the same. Not too good for the average Joes.

Talk about a reality check!The Networks were so dissapointed their experiment was coming off this way, Season 3 added plastic surgery and personality makeovers for the "Average Joe's" to try to level the playing field. But the AJ's were never as good looking as the models even after the Plastic surgery and the personality makeover. Once again after part 3 the good looking guy was chosen and the Networks gave up on doing the show because they lost viewership as the outcomes were not what people wanted to see.


And remember, the girls were not interested in the guys and threatened to walk off the set even before they got to know the AJ's. So you can't argue the low self esteem BS!!

I don't care how good looking your friends are mate, they don't get approached in coffeeshops by 9.5s, end of.

I especially liked the comment, "Good looking guys get better jobs...you can work at abercrombie!!" Lol, no wonder you countries f.ucked up... Mate, I was asked to work at Abercrombie when I was there, get over it.

 

[ricorico]

777 I guess when you never experience women coming up to you, it's hard to believe it happens to others.I live in Beverly Hills. Where do you live?????

I did'nt state the better jobs were at Abercrombie. Just stated A&F hires good looking guys as a "marketing" ploy on order to drive in girls as customers. Those teen guys have better jobs than most teens as they get to hang out with pretty girls as part of their job.This is not an adult jib. But one for teens.

As for the better jobs, Shows like 20/20 and 60 minutes have done shows that prove better looking people have an easier time getting jobs in marketing,sales,law firms ect. They would put guys with the exact same resume's and have them go for the same sort of jobs. Along with a hidden camera.

By the way, what State and town where you in when you visited the U.S.? Just curious. I guess you expect me to believe you walked into A&F without applying for a job and they rushed to offer you one ?

By the way, our country is not F***ed up. What other country in the world has so many people wanting in? Certainly not yours. The U.S. is still tthe best country to live in.Makes me laugh that you think the U.S. is f***ed up, but guess which loser came to visit??

 

[L777]

777 I guess when you never experience women coming up to you, it's hard to believe it happens to others.I live in Beverly Hills. Where do you live?????

I did'nt state the better jobs were at Abercrombie. Just stated A&F hires good looking guys as a "marketing" ploy on order to drive in girls as customers. Those teen guys have better jobs than most teens as they get to hang out with pretty girls as part of their job.This is not an adult jib. But one for teens.

As for the better jobs, Shows like 20/20 and 60 minutes have done shows that prove better looking people have an easier time getting jobs in marketing,sales,law firms ect. They would put guys with the exact same resume's and have them go for the same sort of jobs. Along with a hidden camera.

By the way, what State and town where you in when you visited the U.S.? Just curious.

yada yada yada...DAMN you're full of crap. You want me to tell you where I was so you can say, "they don't require good looking guys"? Grow up. It was a big city in california. You can draw from that what you will, I'm not especially bothered.