hot guys with ugg women - how does this happen?

[ricorico]

Nice try, by not answering and trying to divert the fact you don't know anything about Cali.Big city in California???? You make me laugh! Talk about being evasive. I know all of California.I live in LA. So where exactly where you,?. I bet you can't name neighborhoods or streets or describe where you were because you haven't been here. You're the one who'se full of it!

 

[ricorico]

By the way. Do you have any remarks about the Average Joe shows and why they all ended up the same? The good looking guys chosen everytime? The women threatening to walk off the show everytime AFTER they were just introduced to the AJ's and never having the chance to know them. Those very same woman who claimed not to care about looks,because it sounds shallow to say otherwise did'nt even want to give the average Joe's a chance after seeing them physically. Ine girl thought it was a joke!. Unfortunately,actions speaks louder than words and those girls were very hypocritical in their actions.

 

[NorPacWolf]

These are some interesting insights and anecdotes. I would appreciate hearing more of these stories, which sound like solid evidence. Having said that, and I'm shaking my head as I'm writing this, it really is pointless arguing with the guys on this board. Some of the strangest moments in the "community" involve meeting some of the guys who post on attraction forums who are looking for "wings."

One guy who just asked to wing up, he's one of the nicest people I have ever met. Who would not harm a fly. I'm pretty sure he's not reading this so I guess I can be honest, but he looked just like Howdy Doody. Or, the kid on the cover of Mad magazine. Again, I emphasize, a very nice person. But in terms of his appearance...you know what I mean.

Using that as a baseline, you know most people posting here are average to below average in facial appearance, body build and fashion sense, and significantly below average in terms of their body language and social skills. So it's clear, at least in my mind, why the experiences of models or men who have model caliber looks, would strike the typical forum member as "unbelievable."

Anyway, keep posting the info, as I find it valuable. But don't stress about being called a liar. Remember the Plato's Cave allegory?


Wolf

777, It does happen to my friend all the time. He looks like that blond guy from Lost, but actually built better. Many girls come up and ask him if he's as model. He gets laid very easily. Too easy and can't figure out why guys complain how hard it is to date fine women. I have another friend who is equally good looking. By the time he was 16 he had a hot 25 year old woman spending her husbands hard earned money on him , buying him everything he wanted. Life is a lot easier for good looking people. Even getting a job is easier. Near my house there are a lot of good looking guys working at the Abocrombie. Especially hired because they bring in a lot of girls.

As for looks don't matter and proof..........
well,You all remember the show "Average Joe"? Well some of the Ugg guys were wimps,BUT some had attitude.

But the simple fact is, after doing the show 3x and trying to come out with different outcomes(producers hoping to prove looks don't matter and have the beauty choose the "average Joe"), the girls chose the model guys EVERYTIME.

Worse yet, the beauties who had previously said looks did'nt matter and that is why they were specifically chosen for the show all threatened to walk off(all 3 ) after viewing the men and seeing the UGGS .That's even bfore giving themselves a chance to know them. The network had back-up girls available each time and told them if they would not do the show, some other gal would. Faced with no airtime, the girls all did the show. But noone chose the avearage Joe's in the long run.Their first reactions and the final outcome were all the same. Not too good for the average Joes.

Talk about a reality check!The Networks were so dissapointed their experiment was coming off this way, Season 3 added plastic surgery and personality makeovers for the "Average Joe's" to try to level the playing field. But the AJ's were never as good looking as the models even after the Plastic surgery and the personality makeover. Once again after part 3 the good looking guy was chosen and the Networks gave up on doing the show because they lost viewership as the outcomes were not what people wanted to see.


And remember, the girls were not interested in the guys and threatened to walk off the set even before they got to know the AJ's. So you can't argue the low self esteem BS!!

 

[L777]

ricorico, I was just going to explain where I was and what I thought about your most recent post, but I really can't be fu.cked. The store was on the ground floor of the big multi storey mall in the centre of San Francisco. Are you any wiser...no. Lol...I bet I know more about some places in Cali than you do, I visited some pretty random places.

Lol, even if I hadn't been I could make something up about whwre I was. Americans aren't the only ones that know about America, I got an A geography, squire.

 

[NorPacWolf]

SF is an amazing city, bro. You'll meet some super smart super interesting people and many of the resources are unparalleled there. Having said that, it's not a mecca for "beautiful people." It's a great city, no an AMAZING city, but not a great draw for models or actors.

Surprisingly, while there are plenty of attractive women and metrosexual men in LA, they constitute a surprisingly low percentage of the population. Think about it: with 10.5 million people in the county, the vast majority are going to be quite average in appearance. Furthermore, the "beautiful people" who reside in LA also "reside" in Miami and "reside" also in Manhattan and Paris, etc., you get the picture. Also, they're often not out in public mingling: they tend to travel in particular select neighborhoods (hollywood hills and certain neighborhoods on the westside). Furthermore, they tend to frequent specific businesses only, and then only during the months they actually physically live in LA proper.

What you get in LA are a MASSIVE, as in millions of "wanna be's." Men and women who have stockpiled massive debt by purchasing or leasing the most expensive car imaginable, but live in a one bedroom shack and are two months behind on rent with an empty refrigerator.

Anyway, there's no need to be jealous of "beautiful people." The amount of maintenance required is just unimaginable to the ahem, average joe. The time, the expense is just not worth it for most people. Models and actors begin with anywhere from a modest to significant genetic advantage, then spend an inordinate amount of time trying to extend the advantage. Plastic surgery, tanning salons, six days a week in the gym, starvation, bulimia, shopping binges.

And whether we like it or not, this herculean effort often DOES pay off. People are deferential, some are intimidated, but the advantage is real. The question is, are these advantages worth the monumental effort required to maintain elite level good looks? That's the real question. But don't call a poster a liar because s/he claims looks lead others to treat you differently.


Wolf

ricorico, I was just going to explain where I was and what I thought about your most recent post, but I really can't be fu.cked. The store was on the ground floor of the big multi storey mall in the centre of San Francisco. Are you any wiser...no. Lol...I bet I know more about some places in Cali than you do, I visited some pretty random places.

Lol, even if I hadn't been I could make something up about whwre I was. Americans aren't the only ones that know about America, I got an A geography, squire.

 

[L777]

SF is an amazing city, bro. You'll meet some super smart super interesting people and many of the resources are unparalleled there. Having said that, it's not a mecca for "beautiful people." It's a great city, no an AMAZING city, but not a great draw for models or actors.

Surprisingly, while there are plenty of attractive women and metrosexual men in LA, they constitute a surprisingly low percentage of the population. Think about it: with 10.5 million people in the county, the vast majority are going to be quite average in appearance. Furthermore, the "beautiful people" who reside in LA also "reside" in Miami and "reside" also in Manhattan and Paris, etc., you get the picture. Also, they're often not out in public mingling: they tend to travel in particular select neighborhoods (hollywood hills and certain neighborhoods on the westside). Furthermore, they tend to frequent specific businesses only, and then only during the months they actually physically live in LA proper.

What you get in LA are a MASSIVE, as in millions of "wanna be's." Men and women who have stockpiled massive debt by purchasing or leasing the most expensive car imaginable, but live in a one bedroom shack and are two months behind on rent with an empty refrigerator.

Anyway, there's no need to be jealous of "beautiful people." The amount of maintenance required is just unimaginable to the ahem, average joe. The time, the expense is just not worth it for most people. Models and actors begin with anywhere from a modest to significant genetic advantage, then spend an inordinate amount of time trying to extend the advantage. Plastic surgery, tanning salons, six days a week in the gym, starvation, bulimia, shopping binges.

And whether we like it or not, this herculean effort often DOES pay off. People are deferential, some are intimidated, but the advantage is real. The question is, are these advantages worth the monumental effort required to maintain elite level good looks? That's the real question. But don't call a poster a liar because s/he claims looks lead others to treat you differently.


Wolf

Is this addressed directly to me? I've been to SF already, and LA for that matter...and I'm not jealous of anyone at all. I'd consider myself fairly good-looking, and I'd much rather be a fairly good-looking Brit than a beautiful American ANY day of the week!!

Why you telling me all thic crap...I'm a Manc...we got more beautiful ppl here than LA and Paris and Miami put together.

Well maybe not, but we do have one thing that LA certainly doesn't have...substance.

 

[NorPacWolf]

Look I don't know you, and I have no idea who you are, plus it's silly to engage in internet thuggin' or arguments. All I'm saying is that it's ridiculous, in my opinion, to claim that it's "unbelievable" that a beautiful woman would leave her contact information for a man unsolicited. I don't understand why that's so difficult to believe.

Now, I think this scenario is VERY unlikely for a man or woman of average appearance, but I can tell you that modest to significant improvements in one's appearance can lead to surprisingly "forward" behavior from both men and women alike: things you would never, ever imagine happening can become a regular occurence once you make your appearance (fitness and self presentation in terms of clothing and body language) a priority.

Finally, I don't think nationality has anything to do with it. Anyway, I'm sure you're a cool guy. You're just a little sensitive and probably having a bit of a bad day. But seriously, what's the point of challenging the credibility of an online post? It's IMPOSSIBLE to verify any of this stuff, so just take it as entertainment. An aneurysm over an internet post isn't worth it.


Wolfie

Is this addressed directly to me? I've been to SF already, and I'm not jealous of anyone at all. I'd consider myself fairly good-looking, and I'd much rather be a fairly good-looking Brit than a beautiful American ANY day of the week!!

 

[L777]

You're just a little sensitive and probably having a bit of a bad day.

Oh how cutting...

 

[God_of_getting_layed]

As for looks don't matter and proof..........
well,You all remember the show "Average Joe"? Well some of the Ugg guys were wimps,BUT some had attitude.

But the simple fact is, after doing the show 3x and trying to come out with different outcomes(producers hoping to prove looks don't matter and have the beauty choose the "average Joe"), the girls chose the model guys EVERYTIME.

Worse yet, the beauties who had previously said looks did'nt matter and that is why they were specifically chosen for the show all threatened to walk off(all 3 ) after viewing the men and seeing the UGGS .That's even bfore giving themselves a chance to know them. The network had back-up girls available each time and told them if they would not do the show, some other gal would. Faced with no airtime, the girls all did the show. But noone chose the avearage Joe's in the long run.Their first reactions and the final outcome were all the same. Not too good for the average Joes.

Talk about a reality check!The Networks were so dissapointed their experiment was coming off this way, Season 3 added plastic surgery and personality makeovers for the "Average Joe's" to try to level the playing field. But the AJ's were never as good looking as the models even after the Plastic surgery and the personality makeover. Once again after part 3 the good looking guy was chosen and the Networks gave up on doing the show because they lost viewership as the outcomes were not what people wanted to see.


And remember, the girls were not interested in the guys and threatened to walk off the set even before they got to know the AJ's. So you can't argue the low self esteem BS!!

Yep, there you have it. Lets add this piece of evidence to the giant list of evidence that support the theory that looks do matter. This piece in itself is compelling. Add it to other observations, such as many shallow women sightings we've all wittnessed, and the common place model guys who get approached and picked up by women and then get fvcked, All the hotties that brag about their BF's hottness, girls whistling at hotties, and commenting how they wanna fvck the guy before he utters a word, etc. and it is pretty much undeniable that looks do matter, and women key in on it.

I just dont see how you can explain away all of this, its too much! Looks have to matter! theres no way it cant.

But all you "looks dont matter" people can just go into denial, and try to tune out reality. And enter their dream world where looks dont matter. Yes, go to sleeep, sllleeeeeeeeeeeeeeep, yes sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep.

 

[God_of_getting_layed]

All I'm saying is that it's ridiculous, in my opinion, to claim that it's "unbelievable" that a beautiful woman would leave her contact information for a man unsolicited. I don't understand why that's so difficult to believe.

This kind of thing has already happened to me on many occasions (im far from ugly btw ). So I know its true. I didnt even blink when I heard that coffee shop story, what else is new? :yawn:

Guys do it to gorgeous women, so why wouldnt women do it to gorgeous guys? I mean, hello, women like good looking men, looks matter! duuuhhhhh

 

[ricorico]

NorPac,

Thanks, you obviously get what I'm trying to say. You too GOGL.I guess people who have never experienced women coming up top them think it's impossible. I'm not saying it happens to me. I wish it did. But what I witness with good looking friends often.


This is a link for Average Joe 4. Of course chick picked model again and the viewers got sick of watching the fiasco .

http://www.pluggedinonline.com/thisweekonly/a0002224.cfm

 

[~attrACTION~]

Using that as a baseline, you know most people posting here are average to below average in facial appearance, body build and fashion sense, and significantly below average in terms of their body language and social skills. So it's clear, at least in my mind, why the experiences of models or men who have model caliber looks, would strike the typical forum member as "unbelievable."

I agree. I also agree with ricorio and God_of_getting_layed. While my game is not at its sharpest right now, in the past I've been approached plenty of times, and I'm not even that great looking.

Looks can get your foot in the door. They matter to women as they do to men. But they are not everything, and I think the people arguing against looks make it into a straw man argument and think just because you say looks matter then it's only important thing.

In highschool I was shy, no friends, depressed, no social skills and lots of social anxiety. Girls would come up to me and tell me I look like a model. Lots of girls would grab my ass and stuff like that too. I had self-esteem issues and thought they were actually making fun of me because I was ugly. It actually made me angry and even more depressed in a lot of ways, thinking everyone was out to get me. Even though I apparently looked like that guy in the Backstreet Boys, I was not getting laid.

But, if I had just an ounce of social skills, I could have been getting laid left and right, just because I looked good. As I've grown older, I've improved my social skills, got rid of the anxiety, and became much more confident. I've also noticed when you start getting older looks are a slightly smaller piece of the puzzle, especially to more mature women. But they still count.

For the last couple of months I got into a dry spell, and I was sort of unconfident. I was still getting appraoched by women on occasion, but not nearly as much. I notice now, that I am much more confident, vibrant, and happy, the approaching seems to have picked up again.

So, point being, from my personal experience, I get approached on occasion, maybe 1-3 times a week just out and about, and of course it makes things easier. And of course, women have their ways of 'approaching' some times that is not always direct. For example, bumping/brushing into me, getting right into my face, etc. I rarely get women giving me their numbers so directly as ricorio described, but I've seen it happen several times to friends, and I'm not surprised at all. I'm kind of skinny right now, so I'm pretty sure if I worked on my physique I would be getting that sort of thing too.

Deus, I have a few questions for you, and honestly this is because I really would like to help.

How often do you get approached? Do you have good posture?

Why do you keep saying you have self-esteem issues? What are you insecure or not confident about?

Do you find yourself basing your happiness in a given day on the amount of attention you get from women? Do you put women on pedestals for their looks?

Just curious, because it took me a while to get over my own issues. I think just answering those question you may find out somethings about yourself that you didn't know or realize were there. I used to base my own feeling of worth on how women treated me or paid me attention - sort of like the male version of an attention hor. But then I hit a low point, and realized I shouldn't base my confidence on how women treat me. What really helped was finding my passion in life, which is my business. I think if you can find what drives you, and really get into it, you'll find yourself a lot more confident.

 

[L777]

This kind of thing has already happened to me on many occasions (im far from ugly btw ). So I know its true. I didnt even blink when I heard that coffee shop story, what else is new? :yawn:

Guys do it to gorgeous women, so why wouldnt women do it to gorgeous guys? I mean, hello, women like good looking men, looks matter! duuuhhhhh

lol...a man who calls himself gorgeous implicity or expicity is NOT a real man...i just crack up when I see thing like (im far from ugly btw ). wink meaning that you're really good looking...why tell us? No-one cares...I bet your not as well...I'd love to see a picture of you so I can laugh...you sound like a right metro, don't tell me...you wear pink shirts? Thought you might

 

[~attrACTION~]

As for the original post, I have a few ideas why men date ugly women.

1) Beauty is subjective. Sometimes me and my friends will be out and I see a chick my friends think is ugly. Or, my friend points out a chick who I think is ugly but he thinks is hot. Everyone has different standards. Although there is a generic standard of good-looking people.

2) Someone mentioned that looks are not everything to men either. Ditto. I like to have control and want a woman who can bow down to me. I also don't like drama, cussing, drugs, or personality disorders. I've met hot women some times and been turned off when their personality just does not click. I'd take a humorous 6 who can cook over a boring, nontalkative 9 any day.

3) Fat chicks are really fun and sexual sometimes. By fat, I mean a maximum of 20lbs overweight. They're fun and super kinky because they know they're ugly, so they have to make up for what they lack in other ways.

4) The chick is a starter-ho. Meaning, the guy is getting off a dry spell and just needs some booty to get him going again on a roll. She's just a warm-up or practice. I know I've done this before.

5) The guy thinks he's ugly himself so he can't get any better. Or his personality absolutely sucks.

Some other guys made great points too.

By the way, I usually refrain from posting in these types of threads. This is definitely the last time. I just feel low and as if I wasted my time.

 

[danielzxc]

This is a lot like the genetics vs environment debate in psychology. There are those who believe genes influence the way people "turn out" and there are those say they don't.

While the hereditarians allow that environment makes a difference, they claim that, nevertheless, genes too play a role.

Environmentalists (not the greenie type) are adamantly insistent that environment explains EVERYTHING.

The hereditarians argue by pointing to the mountains of evidence that genes play a role, environmentalists respond with ideology.

In the same way, "looksists" allow that personality matters, but point to mountains of evidence that so do looks, "personalitists" respond with ideological affirmations that only personality counts.

 

[danielzxc]

Yep, there you have it. Lets add this piece of evidence to the giant list of evidence that support the theory that looks do matter. This piece in itself is compelling. Add it to other observations, such as many shallow women sightings we've all wittnessed, and the common place model guys who get approached and picked up by women and then get fvcked, All the hotties that brag about their BF's hottness, girls whistling at hotties, and commenting how they wanna fvck the guy before he utters a word, etc. and it is pretty much undeniable that looks do matter, and women key in on it.

.

Really, there is SO much evidence that looks matter (greatly) that it wouldn't even be exceptionally unreasonable for a "looksist" to insist that ONLY looks matter. Certainly he would be in a more reasonable position than the "personalitist" who claims that ONLY personality matters.

The only reason "personality-only" theories receive such a sympathetic hearing is that they are what people wish would be true, not because the evidence in any way supports them. Looks matters theories, on the other hand, are unwelcome, and people only grudgingly acknowledge their explanatory power.

 

[All The Answers]

ugly guys will say looks dont matter to keep themselves happy

lets all leave them alone and shut the hell up

LOOKS MATTER

nobody wants to be seen with an ugly person, and also ugly people don't turn good looking people on sexually - does anyone see the simple logic there???

a girl won't even look in your direction if she finds you bad looking, how stupid can someone be to not get that???

at the same time, if the girl thinks you are good looking and feels your vibe, she will eye you down until you have the balls to go and say hi to her

WHY IS THERE A DEBATE??

 

[All The Answers]

also to constantly say and believe that looks dont matter is a pvssy cop-out excuse out of trying to make yourself look better!!!

you got 20 extra pounds?? go exercise and lose it!!!

you too skinny? go lift weight and have an awesome muscle definition

your clothes sucks? go get some stylish shyt to look better

your haircut looks stupid? go get a hot style haircut




the ones who say looks don't matter are too lazy to ****ing do anything to improve their looks - the easiest part to improve is your looks AND THEY ARE TOO LAZY TO DO IT!!!

LOOKS MATTER

 

[DJF or John]

hmmmmmm

(DJF walks into the Don Juan Board Room to hear all of this loud discussion. There on one side stands Deus, on the other side, stands a variety of different men from the sosuave crowd_

Deus: Looks don't matter, if you have a great personality, you can get laid often!

Sosuave: Are you crazy? Looks DO MATTER! What planet do you live on Deus?

Deus: I've seen many times where ugly guys get great looking women!

Sosuave: Deus, looks will get you in the door and looks will get you more auditions from women period! Nobody will even give you a chance if you are ugly!

(DJF walks in with a beer, and with PRL at his side. PRL gets ready to speak, but DJF cuts him off...)

DJF: Don't worry PRL, I'll handle this one......

 

[DJF or John]

Well first off I just think that the whole "focus" and "point" of these Looks Matter debates is that nobody is really LISTENING to anybody in this argument.

That's what happens in a "heated" discussion. Everybody shouts at everybody yet....nobody is really LISTENING.

Do Looks Matter or Not?

That's a dumb question. That's like asking me, a Sales Guy, does it matter if I go on appointments wearing suits or jeans and a T-shirt.

Yeah lol, Looks Matter.

The problem with these debates, is that the Looks Matter side is being totally unfair to the Looks Don't Matter crowd.

See, guys on the Looks Matter side, tend to have more GREAT LOOKS than the other guys. There's only "so much" you can do in the gym, do to your face, do to yourself, to have great looks. Some guys can look "ok" but some guys will NEVER HAVE GREAT LOOKS. Meaning, great face, great body, things like that. They might get to the "ok" level, but some will never get to the excellent or great level.

Guys on the Looks Don't Matter side, they probably have already UNDERSTOOD that they can never truly have GREAT LOOKS, but maybe OK LOOKS. So they HAVE TO relay on other things in order to make up for their lack of great looks.

Continue...........