Game does not work in 2024 - Game is ruining your chances

[GoodMan32]

I do believe you were advised, again and again, to boldly go into the fray, but you always pull out your excuses not to follow advice.

Umm, I attended 2 speed dating events.

And the other day, I told a hottie she looks good.

I'm coming out of my shell.

 

[GoodMan32]

An exotic appearance isn't an automatic ticket to having sex. There are plenty of men with exotic appearances who aren't getting laid.

Some exotic looking White men (Italian or Eastern European type ancestry) don't have as much success as you are imagining.

There are also Hispanic men who look exotic to some women.

Looking exotic is no guarantee of success, you're right.

The point still remains that being White isn't the meal ticket into a woman's panties that some men make it sound like.

 

[SW15]

There's a common idea in incel circles known as "just be White" (in other words, minority incels think they'd slay if only they had been born White)

The "just be White" theory is silly though, as most incels are White. If being White were all it took, there wouldn't be so many White incels.

The point still remains that being White isn't the meal ticket into a woman's panties that some men make it sound like.

There are plenty of White incels. There are more Whites than non-Whites in the USA and Western Europe. I don't know if White males are proportionally more likely to be incel than non-Whites. That's the way that the numbers would need to be considered.

I agree that "Just Be White" is somewhat of a myth. I'm aware that there are stories of White men from the USA and Western Europe who go to Asia or Latin America and improve their sex lives. For every USA/Western European White man who goes to those regions, there are far more White men that can't expatriate to those regions. "Just Be White" doesn't tend to hold water as a solution in the USA and Western Europe.

Even if a White man doesn't meet the definition of incel (12 months + without sex), there are plenty of White men who are average frustrated chumps who are struggling to get sex. A lot of White males are average frustrated chump betas who are in LTRs that are decaying and get limited sex. These tend to be Gen X'ers and Boomers, though some Millennials are like this as well. There are unmarried, younger White males who are struggling to get sex. White women have been heavily pursued and have abundance. A lot of White men interested in White women are having less sex with White women than one might think.

 

[GuitarSlayer]

Good post, but it gives me a black pill vibe. This guy probably banged around 20 women, put on the commitment hat (which is fine if this is what you want, with a healthy woman) and started preaching about tradcon values.

You contradict yourself in many points here that I will not go over with and also you exclude hypergamy, which is ****ing insane. You are on this earth because of hypergamy. Saying that women are not attracted to men that are more superior than them is either blue pill or black pill. No in between.

However, I do think that game in that form that existed in 2000s does not apply anymore.

Your post totally rejects plate theory reality, which is a reality in itself. I have/had many plates that were from all backgrounds, some of which were way better looking than me, some uglier than me, some earning much much more than me. Most of these women were healthy. PLATES, NOT ONE NIGHT STANDS. PLATES. FOR AT LEAST 4-6 MONTHS.

The fact that you started with "I'm 6 ft bla blah, I have a 8 inch **** and I make 9 figures and I bench press 300 pounds" shows me that you might be an autistic guy behind the screen that likes to invent scenarios in his head an expose them on fag forums like these so that you can live your own reality here.

Yes, some things that you wrote are generally true and you don't need to be in your 30s and earn 6 figures and be whatever the **** you said you were to KNOW THESE ABSOLUTELY BASIC THINGS. A normal, healthy, sociable man learns these in high school.

There are many "high value men" (I hate this term) around that can't get their ****s wet because they have no ****ing game (aka status, personality, social presence, competence and conversation/seductive/persuasion skills).

IF EVERYTHING YOU SAID WAS TRUE, BILL GATES, ELON MUSK, ZUCKERBERG AND ALL THE TECH LORDS SHOULD BE SWIMMING, SWIMMING!!! IN *****, but they are just some ****ing faggots that had to pay for play.

For the love of God guys, start following healthy "red pill" models, Rian Stone, early Rollo, Nuclear Caudillo, Jack napier.

 

[SW15]

I do think that game in that form that existed in 2000s does not apply anymore.

A lot of seduction tactics of the 2000s are less applicable now than they were in the PUA heyday of the late 1990s - mid 2000s.

Game is more weighted towards looks now than it was weighted towards looks then.

Game has always been some combination of looks, money, status, and personality. Personality attributes might have been more meaningful in the past.

Women started to get far more abundance after dating websites got de-stigmatized in the mid-2000s and then the era of swipe apps started in 2012.

 

[GoodMan32]

There are plenty of White incels. There are more Whites than non-Whites in the USA and Western Europe. I don't know if White males are proportionally more likely to be incel than non-Whites. That's the way that the numbers would need to be considered.

I agree that "Just Be White" is somewhat of a myth. I'm aware that there are stories of White men from the USA and Western Europe who go to Asia or Latin America and improve their sex lives. For every USA/Western European White man who goes to those regions, there are far more White men that can't expatriate to those regions. "Just Be White" doesn't tend to hold water as a solution in the USA and Western Europe.

Even if a White man doesn't meet the definition of incel (12 months + without sex), there are plenty of White men who are average frustrated chumps who are struggling to get sex. A lot of White males are average frustrated chump betas who are in LTRs that are decaying and get limited sex. These tend to be Gen X'ers and Boomers, though some Millennials are like this as well. There are unmarried, younger White males who are struggling to get sex. White women have been heavily pursued and have abundance. A lot of White men interested in White women are having less sex with White women than one might think.

Even on a per capita level, I'd venture to guess White men in the USA are more prone to celibacy than African-American or Latino men.

I've lived in multiple places with a high Latino population. From my observations, Latino men don't appear to struggle much when it comes to getting laid. Granted, many are with mediocre broads. But that's still more than a lot of White men can say.

As for African-American men, they get portrayed as sex symbols in the media, which makes their chances of getting cooch skyrocket. I've mentioned on here I have an African-American coworker who isn't a Tyrone by any stretch. Yet even he has a long-term girlfriend. Other African-American males I've known (whether it be through college, work, etc) generally didn't appear to struggle with the ladies (some even had abundance levels typically only seen in a woman)

White men, on the other hand: I'm an incel if you use the 12+ months without non-escort sex definition. The 52 year old coworker I mentioned who recently got fired (the one I suspect is a borderline incel), also White. The younger guy in another department I suspect is an all out incel, White.

Even in a city that's less than 45% White, we dominate the incel ranks.

 

[GuitarSlayer]

A lot of seduction tactics of the 2000s are less applicable now than they were in the PUA heyday of the late 1990s - mid 2000s.

Game is more weighted towards looks now than it was weighted towards looks then.

Game has always been some combination of looks, money, status, and personality. Personality attributes might have been more meaningful in the past.

Women started to get far more abundance after dating websites got de-stigmatized in the mid-2000s and then the era of swipe apps started in 2012.

Yes, and because of this, guys who can successfully "approach", run social circle game and pull are WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY BETTER than this ****ing doomer post.

I am gen Z and I am considered a social God just because I approach both males and females in social situations to strike up casual conversations, WITH NO OUTCOME DEPENDENCE.

Women have been more independent than all men for 20 years now dude. **** this beta bux provider apex ****. Women don't give a **** about that nowadays.

You don't have to be a ****ing monk for 3-4 years like this incel OP said, to build yourself, so that you think that you will slay ***** like a mother****er. THIS is a CONVERT CONTRACT.

No more mr. nice guy is a basic, standard "red pill" mental model book. Not even 5% of this forum has read it.

 

[SW15]

Even on a per capita level, I'd venture to guess White men in the USA are more prone to celibacy than African-American or Latino men.

Until I see some statistics, I don't know for sure. My educated guess would be that is true.

The men that I observe struggling the most with women are White, East Asian, and South Asian.

I've lived in multiple places with a high Latino population. From my observations, Latino men don't appear to struggle much when it comes to getting laid. Granted, many are with mediocre broads. But that's still more than a lot of White men can say.

I tend to see Hispanic/Latino men mainly with Hispanic/Latina women. Hispanic men tend to do well within their own communities.

guys who can successfully "approach", run social circle game and pull are WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY BETTER than this ****ing doomer post.

I am gen Z and I am considered a social God just because I approach both males and females in social situations to strike up casual conversations, WITH NO OUTCOME DEPENDENCE.

As an older Millennial, I'm less familiar with Gen Z than someone who is Gen Z. The oldest Gen Z's are 14-15 years younger than I am.

Social skills are weaker in Gen Z.

You are well positioned. Good for you!

 

[BaronOfHair]

An exotic appearance isn't an automatic ticket to having sex. There are plenty of men with exotic appearances who aren't getting laid

Yeah, by all accounts, Adam Pearson's closest encounter with First Base was starring in a film where Scar Jo got naked

 

[BaronOfHair]

Umm, I attended 2 speed dating events.

And the other day, I told a hottie she looks good

Do more of this, and spend less time fixating on an autism diagnosis you received once back in adolescence*/nurturing this far-fetched and doomed fantasy of bedding postmenopausal women. That's the message almost everyone on here has been communicating to you, GM



*Psychiatric diagnoses being far more of an art than an exact science, it may be wise to seek out fresh opinions on this particular matter

 

[GoodMan32]

That's hilarious, that people need to qualify to meet some definition for incel:

Lonely guy: "I haven't had sex for 18 months."
Arbitrary Incel Qualification Committee: "You're in, dude."
Lonely guy: "But, but, I don't actually hate or distrust women."
Arbitrary Incel Qualification Committee: "Don't worry, you'll learn."

Arbitrary Incel Qualification Committee: "Yeah, what do you want?"
Incel: "I hate women and I walk around with dark thoughts and..."
Arbitrary Incel Qualification Committee: "Hold up. Last time you had sex?"
Incel: "I f*cked some sweaty hog about eight months ago, but..."
Arbitrary Incel Qualification Committee: "You're not an incel. You can re-apply in four months minimum."
Incel: "But I didn't even like..."
Arbitrary Incel Qualification Committee: "That's irrelevant. We have different standards now."

The admin of an incel forum refused to accept my request to join just because I've had free sex before (even though it's been 3 and a half years)

 

[GoodMan32]

Until I see some statistics, I don't know for sure. My educated guess would be that is true.

The men that I observe struggling the most with women are White, East Asian, and South Asian.



I tend to see Hispanic/Latino men mainly with Hispanic/Latina women. Hispanic men tend to do well within their own communities.



As an older Millennial, I'm less familiar with Gen Z than someone who is Gen Z. The oldest Gen Z's are 14-15 years younger than I am.

Social skills are weaker in Gen Z.

You are well positioned. Good for you!

Yeah, in addition to White men, East Asian and South Asian men tend to struggle too. From @BaronOfHair's description of himself, it sounds like he could possibly pass for South Asian (but looks ethnically ambiguous overall). So that's different. When I say South Asian men struggle, I'm talking about men who undoubtedly look South Asian.

Hispanic men can (in some cases) get a Latina who's higher on the looks scale than he could if he dated a White woman, I admit. Then there are some Hispanic men with mediocre Latinas. Yet a lot of struggling White men have a hard time even getting a mediocre White woman.

In other words, staying within your community can get a Latino man cooch; he just might have to dumpster dive to do so. On the other hand, even if a White man is willing to dumpster dive within his own community, he's still prone to inceldom (I am exhibit A)

 

[SW15]

having good social skills

How much of seduction now comes down to good social skills?

On the whole, Gen Y/Millennials and Gen Z members have weaker social skills than predecessor generations.

I think that game has shifted more to looks than social skills.

These two guys both have weak verbal game, but one does far better than the other based on looks.

 

[Plinco]

How much of seduction now comes down to good social skills?

On the whole, Gen Y/Millennials and Gen Z members have weaker social skills than predecessor generations.

I think that game has shifted more to looks than social skills.

These two guys both have weak verbal game, but one does far better than the other based on looks.

When forum members debate on what is most important among a list of traits (looks, social skills, money, status, etc.), I've made the point a number of times that all of these traits are integrated together and inseparable, and that the individual person is the focal point. For example, if I have more money in my bank account that I don't have to spend, I'm going to feel better, which leads me to look better, and talk better.

Seeking out and working for what you want to do is a matter of integrity. Your desires are a part of who you are, and it is a matter of working to bring that necessary value out of yourself, like chiseling a statue out of the marble. The important thing is that you have to earn who you are. At that point, you'll look better anyways and none of this debate matters.

 

[SW15]

all of these traits are integrated together and inseparable, and that the individual person is the focal point.

Every individual person is some mixture of looks, money, status, and personality.

I'm firmly in the camp that looks are most important to attraction and seduction. They also help in retaining women too.

Having money in a bank account doesn't automatically make a man good looking. Bill Gates has been a good example of this.

Money can buy plastic surgery to make some facial/body aesthetics better. Money could buy better gym memberships & fitness training but a person needs internal dedication to diet and exercise and the internal dedication to do that isn't something that can be bought.

 

[Plinco]

Money can buy plastic surgery to make some facial/body aesthetics better. Money could buy better gym memberships & fitness training...

It's not about what money can buy. It's about being content, which is one of the necessary ingredients for happiness. A happy person will train harder if that's their goal. Happiness alone, all else equal, makes a person look a little better.

...but a person needs internal dedication to diet and exercise and the internal dedication to do that isn't something that can be bought.

Correct, but this is missing my point.

 

[SW15]

Happiness alone, all else equal, makes a person look a little better.

Interesting point. This isn't a commonly discussed point on this forum.

 

[Plinco]

Interesting point. This isn't a commonly discussed point on this forum.

Try to make these kinds of connections. Even traits that seem unrelated, you can find the relation and explain why step by step. It isn't that a man is made of separate, disconnected traits. All of his traits define who he is.

A woman isn't genuinely attracted to certain traits apart from the man, that would be ridiculous. She's attracted to that particular man. Same with women; There's a difference between finding a woman 'hot' and really liking a particular woman.

 

[BaronOfHair]

The difficulties East Asian face dating in The West may just be attributable to factors which similarly hamstring their attempts to move up the corporate ladder when outside of the homeland https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9060522/

This is a demographic which excels in math and science, yet UNDERPERFORMS verbally and in the realm of what can only be dubbed "social intelligence"*. I.E. The traits which are most vital, in the realm of dating and mating




*No, I'm not claiming that East Asian folks are genetically inferior in this department. Clearly though, cultural priorities are very different. How many of The 20th Century's most venerated novelists, biographers, critics, or social commentators hailed from China, Korea, or Japan? Up until very recently, how many stand-up comics of note did these same areas the globe produce?