Game does not work in 2024 - Game is ruining your chances

[GoodMan32]

That's hilarious, that people need to qualify to meet some definition for incel:

Lonely guy: "I haven't had sex for 18 months."
Arbitrary Incel Qualification Committee: "You're in, dude."
Lonely guy: "But, but, I don't actually hate or distrust women."
Arbitrary Incel Qualification Committee: "Don't worry, you'll learn."

Arbitrary Incel Qualification Committee: "Yeah, what do you want?"
Incel: "I hate women and I walk around with dark thoughts and..."
Arbitrary Incel Qualification Committee: "Hold up. Last time you had sex?"
Incel: "I f*cked some sweaty hog about eight months ago, but..."
Arbitrary Incel Qualification Committee: "You're not an incel. You can re-apply in four months minimum."
Incel: "But I didn't even like..."
Arbitrary Incel Qualification Committee: "That's irrelevant. We have different standards now."

The admin of an incel forum refused to accept my request to join just because I've had free sex before (even though it's been 3 and a half years)

 

[GoodMan32]

Until I see some statistics, I don't know for sure. My educated guess would be that is true.

The men that I observe struggling the most with women are White, East Asian, and South Asian.



I tend to see Hispanic/Latino men mainly with Hispanic/Latina women. Hispanic men tend to do well within their own communities.



As an older Millennial, I'm less familiar with Gen Z than someone who is Gen Z. The oldest Gen Z's are 14-15 years younger than I am.

Social skills are weaker in Gen Z.

You are well positioned. Good for you!

Yeah, in addition to White men, East Asian and South Asian men tend to struggle too. From @BaronOfHair's description of himself, it sounds like he could possibly pass for South Asian (but looks ethnically ambiguous overall). So that's different. When I say South Asian men struggle, I'm talking about men who undoubtedly look South Asian.

Hispanic men can (in some cases) get a Latina who's higher on the looks scale than he could if he dated a White woman, I admit. Then there are some Hispanic men with mediocre Latinas. Yet a lot of struggling White men have a hard time even getting a mediocre White woman.

In other words, staying within your community can get a Latino man cooch; he just might have to dumpster dive to do so. On the other hand, even if a White man is willing to dumpster dive within his own community, he's still prone to inceldom (I am exhibit A)

 

[SW15]

having good social skills

How much of seduction now comes down to good social skills?

On the whole, Gen Y/Millennials and Gen Z members have weaker social skills than predecessor generations.

I think that game has shifted more to looks than social skills.

These two guys both have weak verbal game, but one does far better than the other based on looks.

 

[Plinco]

How much of seduction now comes down to good social skills?

On the whole, Gen Y/Millennials and Gen Z members have weaker social skills than predecessor generations.

I think that game has shifted more to looks than social skills.

These two guys both have weak verbal game, but one does far better than the other based on looks.

When forum members debate on what is most important among a list of traits (looks, social skills, money, status, etc.), I've made the point a number of times that all of these traits are integrated together and inseparable, and that the individual person is the focal point. For example, if I have more money in my bank account that I don't have to spend, I'm going to feel better, which leads me to look better, and talk better.

Seeking out and working for what you want to do is a matter of integrity. Your desires are a part of who you are, and it is a matter of working to bring that necessary value out of yourself, like chiseling a statue out of the marble. The important thing is that you have to earn who you are. At that point, you'll look better anyways and none of this debate matters.

 

[SW15]

all of these traits are integrated together and inseparable, and that the individual person is the focal point.

Every individual person is some mixture of looks, money, status, and personality.

I'm firmly in the camp that looks are most important to attraction and seduction. They also help in retaining women too.

Having money in a bank account doesn't automatically make a man good looking. Bill Gates has been a good example of this.

Money can buy plastic surgery to make some facial/body aesthetics better. Money could buy better gym memberships & fitness training but a person needs internal dedication to diet and exercise and the internal dedication to do that isn't something that can be bought.

 

[Plinco]

Money can buy plastic surgery to make some facial/body aesthetics better. Money could buy better gym memberships & fitness training...

It's not about what money can buy. It's about being content, which is one of the necessary ingredients for happiness. A happy person will train harder if that's their goal. Happiness alone, all else equal, makes a person look a little better.

...but a person needs internal dedication to diet and exercise and the internal dedication to do that isn't something that can be bought.

Correct, but this is missing my point.

 

[SW15]

Happiness alone, all else equal, makes a person look a little better.

Interesting point. This isn't a commonly discussed point on this forum.

 

[Plinco]

Interesting point. This isn't a commonly discussed point on this forum.

Try to make these kinds of connections. Even traits that seem unrelated, you can find the relation and explain why step by step. It isn't that a man is made of separate, disconnected traits. All of his traits define who he is.

A woman isn't genuinely attracted to certain traits apart from the man, that would be ridiculous. She's attracted to that particular man. Same with women; There's a difference between finding a woman 'hot' and really liking a particular woman.

 

[BaronOfHair]

The difficulties East Asian face dating in The West may just be attributable to factors which similarly hamstring their attempts to move up the corporate ladder when outside of the homeland https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9060522/

This is a demographic which excels in math and science, yet UNDERPERFORMS verbally and in the realm of what can only be dubbed "social intelligence"*. I.E. The traits which are most vital, in the realm of dating and mating




*No, I'm not claiming that East Asian folks are genetically inferior in this department. Clearly though, cultural priorities are very different. How many of The 20th Century's most venerated novelists, biographers, critics, or social commentators hailed from China, Korea, or Japan? Up until very recently, how many stand-up comics of note did these same areas the globe produce?