Game does not work in 2024 - Game is ruining your chances

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1. As a man with no game, I'm glad to hear game is pointless.

it makes you more efficient at banging the girls who think you are hot. YOu can't 'game' a girl into wanting you (shouldn't even be a debate about that at this point when you analyse all of the infield footage and such! PUA's bang the girls who already like them, and when they approach a girl who isn't into them at all, it goes in their 'rejection compilation' despite all of their knowledge and attempts at turning it around)

2. I question the idea that acting uninterested increases your chances of getting a woman. I hardly ever express interest in a woman, yet look where that's gotten me.

more or less true. Acting uninterested doesn't magically make women chase you lol. That's just silly PUA 'wisdom'. It actually reminds me of a field report I wrote on 'seddit' years and years ago when I was very new to 'game' after a night out with my really handsome wingman at the time (who i've mentioned many times here). Basically, he spent all night playing on the fruit machines in a pub (not cold approaching as seddit advised), and girls were walking up to him and trying to bang him. The morons at seddit were trying to tell me it's because he was playing the fruit machine that all teh girls wanted him ahah. (needless to say I played the fruit machine the next week and didn't get a sniff!)

Like many things in PUA, it helps with girls who are already into. That applies for basically all of it, including 'acting disinterested'. If a girl thinks you are hot, she'll probably want you even more if you kind of ignore her a bit. But doing teh same thing if you are NOT her type (too old, too bald, too fat etc) then rest assured you can ignore her until the cows come home. She won't notice. SHe won't care. You don't get that girl lol

 

[GoodMan32]

it makes you more efficient at banging the girls who think you are hot. YOu can't 'game' a girl into wanting you (shouldn't even be a debate about that at this point when you analyse all of the infield footage and such! PUA's bang the girls who already like them, and when they approach a girl who isn't into them at all, it goes in their 'rejection compilation' despite all of their knowledge and attempts at turning it around)


more or less true. Acting uninterested doesn't magically make women chase you lol. That's just silly PUA 'wisdom'. It actually reminds me of a field report I wrote on 'seddit' years and years ago when I was very new to 'game' after a night out with my really handsome wingman at the time (who i've mentioned many times here). Basically, he spent all night playing on the fruit machines in a pub (not cold approaching as seddit advised), and girls were walking up to him and trying to bang him. The morons at seddit were trying to tell me it's because he was playing the fruit machine that all teh girls wanted him ahah. (needless to say I played the fruit machine the next week and didn't get a sniff!)

Like many things in PUA, it helps with girls who are already into. That applies for basically all of it, including 'acting disinterested'. If a girl thinks you are hot, she'll probably want you even more if you kind of ignore her a bit. But doing teh same thing if you are NOT her type (too old, too bald, too fat etc) then rest assured you can ignore her until the cows come home. She won't notice. SHe won't care. You don't get that girl lol

That is good information. I like the way you put it (game can help you bang broads who find you attractive as it is; game won't, however, make a woman who isn't attracted to you become attracted)

While I generally get what you're saying, what about men with bad looks who manage to slay? In those specific instances, could it be that their game ends up making up for their lackluster looks?

On the disinterested thing, there have been coworkers through the years I heard through the grapevine were into me...yet I never made a move. Unfortunately, acting disinterested didn't get me anywhere.

 

[darksprezzatura]

At the top of the game, there is no game

 

[GoodMan32]

Acting like a retard isn't the same as 'acting disinterested', grasshopper.

Semantics.

The point is I found out they were into me, yet never made a move. Certainly sounds like the textbook definition of "acting disinterested"

 

[oOh Nasty]

Surprisingly good post. Plus, you shouted out the legendary Roissy. You also soften up the convo a bit by talking about healthy women. Bravo. LMS > everything else.

Edit so that I don't double post:

95% of the time, you can't actively form attraction. Don't conflate forming attraction with her already being attracted to you in some way. If she's attracted to you and have a fun game of pool with her, then you're just confirming to her that she finds you attractive. If she's not attracted to you and you have a fun game of pool with her, then you're just putting yourself into the friendzone. That's fine. It happened to me recently. But learn how to stop investing ASAP.

For the most balanced lifestyle that benefits all areas of a man's life, increasing your SMV and then letting the women come to you is the least stressful and most rewarding way to live IMO. Make yourself high value, good-looking, and famous in your circle. The women in your vicinity who find you attractive will purposely put themselves in a position for you to make a move on them. They won't fall into your lap, but they'll hang themselves onto the edge of it.

 

[Solomon]

Surprisingly good post. Plus, you shouted out the legendary Roissy. You also soften up the convo a bit by talking about healthy women. Bravo. LMS > everything else.

Edit so that I don't double post:

95% of the time, you can't actively form attraction. Don't conflate forming attraction with her already being attracted to you in some way. If she's attracted to you and have a fun game of pool with her, then you're just confirming to her that she finds you attractive. If she's not attracted to you and you have a fun game of pool with her, then you're just putting yourself into the friendzone. That's fine. It happened to me recently. But learn how to stop investing ASAP.

For the most balanced lifestyle that benefits all areas of a man's life, increasing your SMV and then letting the women come to you is the least stressful and most rewarding way to live IMO. Make yourself high value, good-looking, and famous in your circle. The women in your vicinity who find you attractive will purposely put themselves in a position for you to make a move on them. They won't fall into your lap, but they'll hang themselves onto the edge of it.

Excellent advice, Boosting your SMV makes a world of difference from personal experience I remember being broke doing hundreds of approaches per month, getting rejected and flaked on numerous times. Raising your value, and finding a niche or social circle can make a dramatic difference in your love life.

I can't imagine now being 40 doing club approaches set after set after like I did in my 20s thinking about it now makes me tired.

 

[BaronOfHair]

On the subject of looks:

I'm of Near Eastern and Hispanic ancestry, bear a strong resemblance to (a somewhat younger)Pedro Pascal, and my complexion/exotic-by-Anglo standards features have never been a barrier my dating women of ALL background. If anything, chicks in The Anglosphere drench themselves over "The Sheikh" look, and have done so, since The 1920s https://www.npr.org/2008/02/04/18602260/valentinos-sheik-an-other-made-to-swoon-over

Personally, I've only noticed colorism being a serious impediment among two demographics: Those of both genders who are EXTREMELY dark(Talking Senegalese complexion here), and men of the yellow/East Asian variety. But even among those crowds, plenty of folks are able to date and mate regularly, WITHOUT having to bleach

Insofar as your thoughts on "game" go: Yeah, this is true, and frankly not an especially original observation https://www.askmen.com/entertainment/austin/the-future-of-the-pua.html Note the date on that article. Even Mystery declares, at the beginning of his book, "I've fallen in love with most of my acquisitions", and I think most would agree: Don't pursue women, unless you're going to be a genuinely loving, giving partner, for however long you're together. Pumping and dumping is the hallmark of a shallow mindset

 

[Isildur1]

here's John Anthony's latest "receipt" taken from a literal brothel in Brazil - he's ****ing prostitutes and counting it as actual lays
his ex wingmen also stated he did this numerous times in Colombia

nick krauser also stated this - its obvious jmulv-is-a-fraud-obviously

 

[characternote]

here's John Anthony's latest "receipt" taken from a literal brothel in Brazil - he's ****ing prostitutes and counting it as actual lays
his ex wingmen also stated he did this numerous times in Colombia

nick krauser also stated this - its obvious jmulv-is-a-fraud-obviously

he's a tragic case, but he's still got an army of fans who consider him the biggest playboy/ladies man of all time. They think he can literally bang ANY girl he lays his eyes on with his style of 'game' etc

It's amazing lol. I used to assume they must not have seen his infields which 99% of the time show a bufoon mumbling at uninterested girls, sometimes begging if he can touch their butts etc but it turns out lots of them have indeed seen the footage and still somehow think they are witnessing magic. It's so so hard to watch and I tend to think he has 'anti game' rather than game. Almost never even any attraction fron the girls in his infields. And he used to use every trick in the book (like always claiming a 'lay' if a girl walked back to his appartment with him, despite the fact it was usually a girl who seemed a bit repulsed by him but only agreed to go back WITH HER FRIENDS either just for a party and free drinks (which he promised in every set. His post opener was 'do you like grey ghoose vodka? It's my friends birthday. Come back with us for a party and free grey goose!!!''), or maybe because she thought one of johns wingmen was hot etc. There were so few infields of his where a girl seemed into him or even receptive!)

I even spoke too a few guys on 'seddit' a while back who also claimed JMULV was the best 'gamer' of all time and who could steal anyone's girl etc. They rave about his 'compliance' ''method'' which makes zero sense lol. It's all just theoretical nonsense but they eat it up and throw john anthony their money

 

[characternote]

You forget that these guys who worship PUAs are in awe of anyone who doesn't sweat bullets talking to women. They don't care whether the women some PUA is comfortable around are paid to be compliant/receptive. Completely ignorant to how they are manipulated.

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john antthony was exposed many years back to be paying girls to flirt with his clients (so the clients thought that John's amazing 'hi, can I meet you really quick??'' opener was amazing as well as his DHV lines he taught)

Was also exposed by his ex business partner (sonny) to be paying sugar baby girls etc.

Not to mention his somewhat criminal past where he literally tried to lock a girl in his car to try to get a bl0wjob or some sh1t lol (back when he had his first PUA company which dissappeared when johns wingmen got sent to prison for rape)

 

[SW15]

John Anthony

I never got into John Anthony/JMULV.

I know there are people who think he is a skilled seducer.

Nick Krauser's hit piece on him many years ago was eye opening.

Krauser did a hit piece on Caleb Jones (aka Alpha Male 2.0/Blackdragon) that was eye opening too.

 

[Ricky]

This is an interesting thread

ive been noticing as an average guy lately that ive been doing worse with women i consider 1-2 points below my SMV than ones that are 1-2 points above. I mean its all very subjective but i am kind of surprised.

 

[SW15]

ive been noticing as an average guy lately that ive been doing worse with women i consider 1-2 points below my SMV than ones that are 1-2 points above. I mean its all very subjective but i am kind of surprised.

Any ideas why you think this is happening?

 

[GoodMan32]

Surprisingly good post. Plus, you shouted out the legendary Roissy. You also soften up the convo a bit by talking about healthy women. Bravo. LMS > everything else.

Edit so that I don't double post:

95% of the time, you can't actively form attraction. Don't conflate forming attraction with her already being attracted to you in some way. If she's attracted to you and have a fun game of pool with her, then you're just confirming to her that she finds you attractive. If she's not attracted to you and you have a fun game of pool with her, then you're just putting yourself into the friendzone. That's fine. It happened to me recently. But learn how to stop investing ASAP.

For the most balanced lifestyle that benefits all areas of a man's life, increasing your SMV and then letting the women come to you is the least stressful and most rewarding way to live IMO. Make yourself high value, good-looking, and famous in your circle. The women in your vicinity who find you attractive will purposely put themselves in a position for you to make a move on them. They won't fall into your lap, but they'll hang themselves onto the edge of it.

What about ugly men who slay?

Surely they manage to attract a woman with something other than looks (and no, it isn't money...the ugly slayers I've known weren't wealthy)

Perhaps they fall into the 5% (you said 95% of the time, a man's not able to form attraction)

 

[GoodMan32]

On the subject of looks:

I'm of Near Eastern and Hispanic ancestry, bear a strong resemblance to (a somewhat younger)Pedro Pascal, and my complexion/exotic-by-Anglo standards features have never been a barrier my dating women of ALL background. If anything, chicks in The Anglosphere drench themselves over "The Sheikh" look, and have done so, since The 1920s https://www.npr.org/2008/02/04/18602260/valentinos-sheik-an-other-made-to-swoon-over

Personally, I've only noticed colorism being a serious impediment among two demographics: Those of both genders who are EXTREMELY dark(Talking Senegalese complexion here), and men of the yellow/East Asian variety. But even among those crowds, plenty of folks are able to date and mate regularly, WITHOUT having to bleach

Insofar as your thoughts on "game" go: Yeah, this is true, and frankly not an especially original observation https://www.askmen.com/entertainment/austin/the-future-of-the-pua.html Note the date on that article. Even Mystery declares, at the beginning of his book, "I've fallen in love with most of my acquisitions", and I think most would agree: Don't pursue women, unless you're going to be a genuinely loving, giving partner, for however long you're together. Pumping and dumping is the hallmark of a shallow mindset

It doesn't surprise me your appearance isn't an impediment to getting a woman.

There's a common idea in incel circles known as "just be White" (in other words, minority incels think they'd slay if only they had been born White)

The "just be White" theory is silly though, as most incels are White. If being White were all it took, there wouldn't be so many White incels.

As you pointed out, broads drop their panties for men with exotic appearances.

 

[GoodMan32]

Easy. The women below him have high demands. The women above him are surprised by his fortitude and interested in knowing where his confidence comes from.

Hmm, that'd imply I'd do well if only I aimed for broads above me on the 1-10 scale.

Come to think of it, my 6.5 self's last free lay was with an 8/10.

 

[BaronOfHair]

I don't know all their PUA names, but most, if not all, are bottom feeders pretending to slay to sell subscriptions to desperate lonely autists.

Beware anyone who refere to themselves as a "Pickup Artist", and encourages men to become such a thing

 

[BaronOfHair]

It doesn't surprise me your appearance isn't an impediment to getting a woman...


As you pointed out, broads drop their panties for men with exotic appearances.

I still have to get out of bed each morning, put on fresh clothes, goes outside and pursue, invest in self-development, etc etc, just like EVERY man who wishes to be successful

 

[SW15]

broads drop their panties for men with exotic appearances.

An exotic appearance isn't an automatic ticket to having sex. There are plenty of men with exotic appearances who aren't getting laid.

Some exotic looking White men (Italian or Eastern European type ancestry) don't have as much success as you are imagining.

There are also Hispanic men who look exotic to some women.

 

[Ricky]

Easy. The women below him have high demands. The women above him are surprised by his fortitude and interested in knowing where his confidence comes from.

This is very true. The david deangelo form of joking like c a w k y and funny really seemed to intrigue the hotter women.

i am pretty average in some ways i look like david deangelo himself. I do have an above average physique though.

the women below me may have unrealistic demands as amsterdam suggests. Maybe they used to be young and attractive and get a chad… they still think they can because of the ***** beggars.

The whole water seeks its own level has some validity though too. Maybe women below our SMV subconsciously fear we will lose interest in them