FR: The Seduction of Paris Hilton (Part II: Paris Kisses Papa)

[JT47319]

Originally posted by xblitz44x

Finally, they DO get laid and they attribute it to all of the 'game' that they learned. They never stop to think that ALL THEY EVER had to do was actually go out there and do something, just about anything, and they would have gotten laid anyway. They just never had the confidence in themselves to do it. The workshop sold them an illusion; the skills. The guy confided in them enough to actually put himself out there and he got laid. Now if he only could realize that he would have gotten laid ANYWAY (if he just acted 'normal'), he can throw out all of the garbage he was brainwashed with that will fvck him up more than it'll help him, and really have fun meeting new people instead of turning this into a Star Wars mission.

I think the biggest fallacy in this line of thinking is that all it does is reinforce the same behavior and social patterns. This may work well for those already well versed in social conditions, but not if it's reinforcing bad social habits and anti-social behavior.

To use an analogy, imagine you have a playpen full of little toddlers: boys and girls. These little boys and girls interact and grow up together, learning how to play with one another and share one another's toys. Now imagine a boy or two who are OUTSIDE of the playpen looking in. They can see how the other boys are teasing the girls, how the children interact with one another, but they themselves are not picking up the required social skills that would help one subcommunicate to others "Yes, I am part of your play pen and peer group."

To say, "Be Yourself" is simply to ask such a stunted person to exercise almost non-existent social and communication skills.

I myself have always been comfortable in horsing around with girls and flirting with them. But until I seriously got in the game, I would have never even dared give a pretty girl that I had known for all of 10 minutes a noogie, or push her around, or give/receive piggyback rides, or slap her ass, or make fun of her, or speak in sexual innuendos, or invade her physical space, or touch/caress them, or poke her belly, or grab two girls and make them kiss each other, or act very sexual, or pull her hair in a very sexual way, or bite her arm, or have her bite my neck, or push her away, or pick her up and carry her like a child, or play stupid random games with her, and a host of other things.

These are all social skills that a Natural ALREADY learned during the incubation period of the playpen. I mean, do you see how many AFCs on this board there are who have NEVER approached a girl? Close to 75% of this board don't have the balls to do a cold approach. This IS a skillset you can learn, to approach and be comfortable with women. Naturals do this ALL the time. Everything I highlighted are all "techniques" that Naturals have been pulling since forever.

 

[Craig Reeves]

lol. How on earth can one post get so much attention? Astounding!

 

[tactic]

We're all attracted to Paris Hilton.

tactic

 

[Interpol]

In the first post:

Papa: Yo, what's up?
Playboy: Papa, Paris Hilton is here. I am at the Coffee Bean & Tea
Leaf. She just walked by and sat down at an Italian Restaurant next-
door. She's wearing a hot lil green dress.
Papa: Who is she with?
Playboy: One guy and one girl.
Papa: Ok. Thanks, bro.

Then in the third post:

Paris is wearing a simple, yet pretty, blue dress. She looks at me from
inside the restaurant through a window; then, she heads into the
bathroom.

So, was the dress green or blue? Or is your friend color blind? Or is this story fake?

 

[tactic]

Originally posted by JT47319
Yet ANOTHER difference between a DJ and a PUA.

A DJ thinks he CAN'T. A PUA knows he CAN.

Props to Papa.

So If I know I can but I really can't, am I considered a PUA? What if the PUA fails?

tactic

 

[Mack Action Hero]

Originally posted by Interpol

So, was the dress green or blue? Or is your friend color blind? Or is this story fake?

Haha, +1 for attention to fashion details..

 

[CLOONEY]

Oh and just to talk quickly about the "difference" between this forum and your one, whatever it is.

This forum has freeminded thinkers and guys who KNOW the game naturally and from vast experience.

This forum is for those who dont have to PAY to get girls and who are comfortable with themselves, their lives and their abilities with woman and for the newbs who need help without digging into their wallet.

This is why you get sceptacism and criticism here. "Paps" forum is for little suckups who look to you guys as gods, and who praise your feet and pay you money. No wonder they are swinging off your ballsa*k when you pick up the "oh so hard to attract" Paris Hilton!

Green or Blue dress? How can their be a mistake with your voice recorded you carry. Maybe the battery went dead?

 

[Sardaukar]

I like Paris Hilton because she looks slutty. Not the skanky kind of sluttiness though, I'm talking about the high class quality of sluttiness that she possesses. That alone makes me want to screw the living crap out of her.

But, the thing is from what I've heard about her, she's what you'd call a professional flirter. She has a fake phone number with a ****off message she gives guys just for laughs. In her sex video, she was more concerned about how she looked than the act itself.

Do you get it? I'm not saying that Paris Hilton is un****able. In fact, I'm rooting for Papa because he's Asian and it's time she got a good yellow ****ing. She should get such a good ****ing that she calls Papa God.

Anyway as I was saying, shouldn't your sets have more C&F and neg-hitting to take down the princess mindset? Papa seems to have gotten the standard non-sexual, friendly airtime for all his troubles.

 

[Kineti[C]harm]

Originally posted by CLOONEY
Oh and just to talk quickly about the "difference" between this forum and your one, whatever it is.

This forum has freeminded thinkers and guys who KNOW the game naturally and from vast experience.

This forum is for those who dont have to PAY to get girls and who are comfortable with themselves, their lives and their abilities with woman and for the newbs who need help without digging into their wallet.

Not really. Most of the guys on this forum sucks worse than AFCs on the street.

ASF is not about paying either, it's about HARD GAME. I don't like all the routines and bs from mASF and I don't like the whole stupidness of this forum either but inbetween you find some nice cool people and interesting posts.

 

[diplomatic_lies]

I fvcked Brad Pitt once!

 

[xblitz44x]

"I think the biggest fallacy in this line of thinking is that all it does is reinforce the same behavior and social patterns."

I disagree. In fact, I think that trying to ignore everything that made you 'unable' to talk to girls like regular human beings to begin with, and instead mimicking what you feel makes a 'natural', attractive....will reinforce that negative mindset even MORE. Do you *really*, honestly believe that if somebody has THAT many hang-ups about even talking to a women, that they will be able to just do the things that 'attractive people do' and women won't be able to see the difference and will somehow fall under this spell?

Now I'm sure you'll bring up this business about how if you consciously bring these 'tactics' into your game, you'll eventually integrate them into your 'natural' personality and go on 'autopilot' and you'll suddenly BE this magic pick-up artist. Lets be honest, that never really happens.

At the very BEST, you might stumble upon a man who hates himself enough to take one of those workshops. Mystery or whoever will blow smoke up his ass for 3 days and take $600 from him and by the end of the workshop will have brainwashed him into believing that what he learned at the workshop is what really *gets the women*.

So he will go out and TRY those things, and he might hook up a few times, or even..... GET LAID! And when he does, he feels this magical overwhelming validation. "Yes, women like me! I am finally attractive!" Never even considering that he always was attractive from day 1. But since he's getting laid, and the Workshop Leader said that this is what works, he attributes all of this validation to the "skillset" that he aquired.

So he never really works out the kinks of why he felt he was unattractive to begin with, and how ridiculous it was. Or *why* he feels the need to screw a bunch of different women ANYWAY. Rather he just ignores that and does what 'feels good'.

But then, he goes out one night and gets rejected a few times. Maybe 4 or 5. Suddenly he becomes aware of that 'ugly' side of him again. Because he never ironed it out. And he will go back and post something on ASF about it and they will blow smoke up his ass again enough for him to get out there and ignore the root of his problem.

That's the REASON that you guys NEED a 3 second rule afterall. Because when you look at that goregous 9 or 10, you suddenly remember what a fvck-up you really (think you) are inside. And your flaws come screaming to the surface and you feel that she see's everything wrong with you. So you FORCE yourself to approach thinking that if you do that enough you'll just become used to it. But you never *really* do, just like Pap demonstrated here. Again, at best you might get a few 'successes' and your ego might be inflated enough so that you believe you're 'the man'. But when you get rejected once or twice just see how long that lasts.

"These are all social skills that a Natural ALREADY learned during the incubation period of the playpen."

First of all, not all naturals do the things that you listed. There are many 'naturals' that don't do ANY of the things that you listed and do just fine. I am one of them - if you define a natural as somebody who treats women as regular human beings and manages to hook up when he wants to.

The entire problem with you, and the ASF crowd as a whole, is that you believe the answer is to pointpoint the 'attractive actions' of guys who are successfull, and just DO them until you do them enough automatically. You aren't ever getting to the root of the problem. You're just superficially mimicking other people and the RESULT of their own mindset.

Their actions, are a result of the way they think. Always. So rather than just take their results and try to force them onto yourself, why don't you figure out WHY your mind is so warped that you can't do this 'naturally' to begin with? Why do women require a script to talk to them? Do you need a script to ask the guy next to you the score of the football game? Or where he got his shirt? The answer isn't just to 'man-up and DO it'....that's just a cover up. The answer is to untangle the wires inside of that mind of yours and figure out WHY you feel they require such insane calculation instead of just treating it as you are having a conversation with a friend.

 

[CLOONEY]

Originally posted by xblitz44x
Why do women require a script to talk to them? Do you need a script to ask the guy next to you the score of the football game? Or where he got his shirt? The answer isn't just to 'man-up and DO it'....that's just a cover up. The answer is to untangle the wires inside of that mind of yours and figure out WHY you feel they require such insane calculation instead of just treating it as you are having a conversation with a friend.

Best peice of advice given on sosuave to date. Absolute GOLD!

Play with them and tease them just like you do your mates. Talk serious with them just like you do your mates. Its quiet simple. No need for any complications or rehersed "moves".

Kineticharm, I also agree. However, at least these AFCs think for themselves. The ones on the other forum just suck up their "gods" azzes, not to mention pay them $$

 

[tactic]

Women controls the world of men.

 

[Sardaukar]

Women controls the world of men.

You should be shot for saying that.

Women need to be reminded to worship ****.

 

[tactic]

Originally posted by Sardaukar
You should be shot for saying that.

Women need to be reminded to worship ****.

Do you know why I said that?



Somebody mentioned about others sites with AFCs treating women like godesses.

 

[Sardaukar]

I know why you said that. You did it just to piss the rest of us off.

Lol!

Ok, so you don't need to be shot for saying that.

But ****, have you seen the number of posts from AFCs, girly-men and eunuchs on this boards?

 

[JT47319]

Unless one has some sort of deeply ingrained, intrinsic personal defects (which judging from this board may very well be the case), contemplating one's navel and examining inner game is a fruitless exercise. The majority of AFCs (not WBAFCs) simply lack extensive interaction with women, and specifically beautiful women. They never picked up the necessary social and communication skills necessary to A) make women comfortable around them and B) CONVEY THEIR PERSONALITY.

You're asking some chump AFC that has the opportunity to make out with or fuck a girl to sit down, contemplate his navel, try to reach his Inner Child and Nirvana, examine his personality defects as to why he's so nervous around women and physical contact, leading to nothing but overanalysis paralysis. Instead of just telling the kid, "Hey, here's how it's done. You can do (A), (B), and (C) or if you want, you can do (D), (E), and (F)."

Inner game is not some snake oil, magical cure all that will suddenly enrich your life with women. Women don't care if you're confident and secure in yourself unless you can CONVEY YOUR PERSONALITY to them that you are and have these things: (X), (Y), and (Z). You can sit all day in a Yoga stance chanting mantras and affirmations like "Yes, I love myself" "Yes, I am a studly machine" etc. and it won't mean a damn thing if you can't CONVEY it. And you can't CONVEY it unless you know (consciously or unconsciously) what the hell you're doing around women.

It's like practicing katas or other martial arts moves. Unless you want them to examine and fix themselves as to why they aren't naturally born aggressive, killing machines since katas are artificial, non-natural moves, a chump with no experience needs to continually practice interacting with women and he needs to know what are good habits and what are bad habits.

And of course you do ANY NUMBER of those items I listed. From the "fun guy" to the "seducer", at different points you do employ any of those strategies consciously or unconsciously from exuding a sexual state, invading her physical space, and going in for the kill. I've had the opportunity to hang out with quite a bit of Naturals and they've all unconsciously employed different techniques from the super fun cool frat guy to the sexy beast predator. These are things they do and these are things that can be repeated.

Your suggestion of asking a chump to unwire his brain is woefully unrealistic and will never actually cure any problem. He can go to a psychologist all day long and it'll take him years to get to the root of his problems. And while he's spending all his money on someone that help him "unwire" his brain, he's still unsuccessful with women, he's STILL not interacting with women, he's STILL not developing his social skills and he's STILL miserable. Sorry, but that approach is one of inaction and philosophical musings while I suggest- nay- DEMAND that an AFC take ACTION and BE proactive.

I say throw the newbies into the fire and maybe him give some tools to fall back on to. One or two successes is infinitely better than a newbie stuck on the internet, trying to learn what's wrong with his inner game, while he jacks off to internet porn.

 

[Psionic]

This has ben a most enlightening thread, and is my motivation for bridging the gap between lurker and forum member.

Primarily, Papa has created a fascinating premise on which to begin discussion. I'll admit my appreciation for the ideas within the first post, from a technical standpoint, and can appreciate the creativity of the whole encounter that he described.

Being a musician, however, I understand how an analytical approach can sometimes bring you out of the moment and turn out to be a detriment (that too can depend on the artform and the desired effect). (Not to say that that hurt Papa's game in any way - he would be the true judge of that)

I am however new to the board and have immense appreciation for the concept of having an arsenal of manuvers for social situations especially when females are involved. This is why I can appreciate those with a more conscious orientation to the whole 'pick-up' thing.

The opinions expressed here, though divergent, have been instructional. This thread seems to breach what I perceive to be as territory which has, as yet, not been thoroughly delved into (though I've read individual posts relating to the topic), that of: what level of adherence to the postulations of DJism is healthy, or desirable for an individual.

Some posters are seeming to rebel against the concept of "being a DJ," which, while the term becomes more attractive with time, might be connoted as somewhat conformist (maybe elitist is the better word, which is not so bad from time to time . Others present DJism as a concept enabling one better social interaction and success with women. Perhaps time and experience allow the advantage of the perception of DJism as conceptual rather than a set of rules.

I am admittedly one who can benefit from rules like the 3s rule and 'Nexting,' to name a few. Whether to view these as absolutes or just conceptual guidelines for evolving is where my thoughts are currently.

Anyway, having just hung about the site for awhile has yielded me a lot of insight. This is definitely a worthwhile community from my standpoint.
Thanks for all the food for thought.

 

[IrReSiStIbLe]

Originally posted by CLOONEY
I agree with Jay in the fact that the quote he pointed out was hilarious.

However, I really do beleive this is true. Lets face it guys, Paris is not the hardest girl to get with. I know a couple of guys who have gotten with her (kissed) that is. She is a known party girl who LOVES the boys. Bedding her would be a whole different story. Anyways props to you pap, good for you to grab your ballz and do it.

Carrying a tape recorder around is a bit rediculous though. If you need to analyse your game to that extent, u have some issues. My cousin has been with a heap of A list celebs (u need to be on the invite list and run in those circles to get with them however). Thats why I beleive all this "DJ" and "PUA" stuff is absolute BS. U are either good with the ladies or you are not.

Soooooo true! That's exactly what I've been thinking...!

 

[CLOONEY]

Originally posted by Psionic
This has ben a most enlightening thread, and is my motivation for bridging the gap between lurker and forum member.

Primarily, Papa has created a fascinating premise on which to begin discussion. I'll admit my appreciation for the ideas within the first post, from a technical standpoint, and can appreciate the creativity of the whole encounter that he described.

Being a musician, however, I understand how an analytical approach can sometimes bring you out of the moment and turn out to be a detriment (that too can depend on the artform and the desired effect). (Not to say that that hurt Papa's game in any way - he would be the true judge of that)

I am however new to the board and have immense appreciation for the concept of having an arsenal of manuvers for social situations especially when females are involved. This is why I can appreciate those with a more conscious orientation to the whole 'pick-up' thing.

The opinions expressed here, though divergent, have been instructional. This thread seems to breach what I perceive to be as territory which has, as yet, not been thoroughly delved into (though I've read individual posts relating to the topic), that of: what level of adherence to the postulations of DJism is healthy, or desirable for an individual.

Some posters are seeming to rebel against the concept of "being a DJ," which, while the term becomes more attractive with time, might be connoted as somewhat conformist (maybe elitist is the better word, which is not so bad from time to time . Others present DJism as a concept enabling one better social interaction and success with women. Perhaps time and experience allow the advantage of the perception of DJism as conceptual rather than a set of rules.

I am admittedly one who can benefit from rules like the 3s rule and 'Nexting,' to name a few. Whether to view these as absolutes or just conceptual guidelines for evolving is where my thoughts are currently.

Anyway, having just hung about the site for awhile has yielded me a lot of insight. This is definitely a worthwhile community from my standpoint.
Thanks for all the food for thought.

Great that someone got something out of this post . Welcome to the forum!

Ive said all I need to say on this topic. Off to help another newb!