escorts vs civvies

[GoodMan32]

What? She didn't put out after you spent forty dollars on her? Must be a gold digger.

I don't necessarily expect sex after spending $40.

But the point is, I spent money/time/energy on her, yet still didn't get sex. As for the time/energy thing, I go into detail on the thread about her. Let's just say for the 4 days after the date, she took up a lot of my time/energy.

Since time is money, the $40 doesn't tell the whole story. Let's tack on an extra $40 as the time/energy cost. We're up to $80.

Had we gotten another date, I likely would have spent another 40. We're up to 120. And still no guarantee of sex. On the other hand, I've gotten an escort (guaranteed sex) for 120 before.

 

[corrector]

Every man I've known that has abundance has banged a hooker more than once. They see it for what it is, nothing more. They don't come here to rationalize it.

When he is tired of the b.s. that comes with fuhking regular girls and just needs to bust a nut that's what he does.

Women are women, they are all hookers to varying degrees.

Like I said, abundance mindset is talked allot here. When put to aftually practise then people say its not relevant for a diacussion.

 

[SW15]

Instead of calling them "escorts vs civies", we should call them "women that take your money and give sex Vs women that take your money and maybe give sex, eventually"

The last date I went on (summer 2023; I have a thread about it on here) cost me $40. I got no sex.

I don't necessarily expect sex after spending $40.

But the point is, I spent money/time/energy on her, yet still didn't get sex. As for the time/energy thing, I go into detail on the thread about her. Let's just say for the 4 days after the date, she took up a lot of my time/energy.

Since time is money, the $40 doesn't tell the whole story. Let's tack on an extra $40 as the time/energy cost. We're up to $80.

Had we gotten another date, I likely would have spent another 40. We're up to 120. And still no guarantee of sex. On the other hand, I've gotten an escort (guaranteed sex) for 120 before.

Dating conventionally is paying for sex indirectly.

Most first dates cost between $20-$40. It often takes somewhere between 1-5 dates to get laid with an individual woman. Also, many 1st-2nd dates fail and do not result in any sex.

A man starting from scratch in interacting with women might absorb $500+ of courting costs before he is able to have sex when he tries to date conventionally. Every man's results vary.

When dating conventionally, there are a lot of costs on the front side of dating. It takes a decent amount of money for most men to get a single instance of sex. The cost per instance of sex goes down for a bit after the first instance of sex but then eventually rises in time in an LTR with engagement ring costs and then costs associated with a household pet, raising children, etc. Also, frequency of sex drops after marriage and babies with enough time, raising the cost of sex on a per instance basis too. It becomes similar to a U shaped curve with getting sex from traditional, monogamous type LTRs. If a man can maintain the bottom of the U shaped curve on costs for a longer time, it is more advantageous.

 

[GoodMan32]

Ask this guy. This is a major trending story in the Dallas-Fort Worth area right now. A 38 year old woman who has been a sex worker for 10+ years has a husband and multiple children.

Convicted prostitute, current escort removed from Godley ISD groups, including council overseeing Sex-Ed

A woman tasked with helping decide sexual education curriculum in Godley ISD has been removed from multiple positions within the district because she's a convicted prostitute.

www.fox4news.com

Texas mom booted from school district sex-ed panel after prostitution convictions, escort work exposed by parents

Ashley Ketcherside advertised scantily-clad images of herself online as “true girl next door” Lola Brea while serving on the sex-ed panel.

nypost.com

The story above is about a White male married to a Hispanic/Latina sex worker.

Interesting story about the escort. There are all sorts of reasons a charge might not show up on a background check; it doesn't surprise me one bit she slipped through the cracks.

I find her attractive.

The fact she got ousted goes to show what corrector and I have been saying: Escorts get dehumanized.

So she's an escort, big whoop. Other parents at school have probably done much worse. Sex is a strange thing: It's totally fine to do it for free, yet you're a monster if you do it for money.

 

[GoodMan32]

Few takes some people tend to miss . Why? Because prostitution is (rightfully so) stigmatized. The latter keeps both men and women away from" the dark side".

It does prove that sex for men is just as if not more of a mental thing than it is to women.
exempli gratia: 1. You might want a "hb8,5". So you "run game " on her. You tke her out make her laugh, "conquer her p00sy " and have the best sex ever with the hottest woman you've ever had.

But...2. Little you know she ALSO had a history/future (!!!) as an escort. So , you or your bff homie fecks the SAME girl, but the entrance is different : you simply pay her fee and have the exact same sex.

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If I understand the sentiment here most men would rather go for option 1 ,proving that the MENTAL aspect is more important to them. Their ego can't handle the fact that the woman they've "conquered " is NOT the exclusive confirmation that they are a "special breed ": she'll lick a 70 year old man's azz for tge right amount of money and gets pissed on in the process. Sorry fellas...

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Now here's another thing y'all missespecially @corrector overlooks this).

prostitution is a way for Chad and Stacy to meet under ideal circumstances.

Chat just wants to nut. Stacy wants finacial gains, but preferably with a man who is good looking. This is why some women won't stop this occupation any time soon. Both parties get what they want without any strings attached. If a man has money in abundance he wont worry about spending 100/200 bucks on guaranteed hot sex.

someone already referred to the movie pretty woman. Because the scenario is WAY more realistic than most realize. Chad/ Tyrone types of dudes might be MORE prone to being sex/attention addicts, because from ever since we were 13 we had women expressing their interest .

Once such a man discovers the ease of getting sex with hot women without the emotional baggage/dama/ stress,it might be addictive A F.

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-Lastly, your roots might have more female prostitutes than you'd like to believe. Its the oldest profession known to mankind.

- most "manly men" in the past like pirates thieves and soldiers, would gladly spent their earned money on ....yup...hookers. Tge type of man that nowadays is glorified as a "badboy" or " alpha " had ALWAYS throughout history spend money on hoolkers and easy sex. Many many many of your grand mothers were hookers.

Women understand this dynamic much better than men. Every woman contemplated being a hooker at some point in her life. Especially after she gets played a few times. I thought this forum was about taking the red(reality) pill?. Yet men get triggered when they hear the truth..

Good post.

Reminds me of this escort I was with back in September. She said she became an escort post-divorce for the following reasons: She can get all the sex she wants, get paid for it, and not have to deal with a boyfriend/husband.

 

[SW15]

Interesting story about the escort. There are all sorts of reasons a charge might not show up on a background check; it doesn't surprise me one bit she slipped through the cracks.

I find her attractive.

The fact she got ousted goes to show what corrector and I have been saying: Escorts get dehumanized.

So she's an escort, big whoop. Other parents at school have probably done much worse. Sex is a strange thing: It's totally fine to do it for free, yet you're a monster if you do it for money.

It is likely that no other mother in that school district has the notch count that she did. It would be very difficult for a conventional woman to have sex with as many men as a sex worker.

Have other mothers in that school district had extra-marital or extra-relational sex? Yes.

Have other mothers put up a high notch count prior to having children? Yes, but not as high. But still high enough to damage pair bonding.

 

[GoodMan32]

Dating conventionally is paying for sex indirectly.

Most first dates cost between $20-$40. It often takes somewhere between 1-5 dates to get laid with an individual woman. Also, many 1st-2nd dates fail and do not result in any sex.

A man starting from scratch in interacting with women might absorb $500+ of courting costs before he is able to have sex when he tries to date conventionally. Every man's results vary.

When dating conventionally, there are a lot of costs on the front side of dating. It takes a decent amount of money for most men to get a single instance of sex. The cost per instance of sex goes down for a bit after the first instance of sex but then eventually rises in time in an LTR with engagement ring costs and then costs associated with a household pet, raising children, etc. Also, frequency of sex drops after marriage and babies with enough time, raising the cost of sex on a per instance basis too. It becomes similar to a U shaped curve with getting sex from traditional, monogamous type LTRs. If a man can maintain the bottom of the U shaped curve on costs for a longer time, it is more advantageous.

I don't have the mental energy for a relationship right now. The date I had this summer wasn't exactly something I was actively looking for; it just kinda happened.

If I were to get sex from a non-escort, I'd prefer it to be with a woman who's only looking for sex (not a boyfriend)

 

[GoodMan32]

It is likely that no other mother in that school district has the notch count that she did. It would be very difficult for a conventional woman to have sex with as many men as a sex worker.

Have other mothers in that school district had extra-marital or extra-relational sex? Yes.

Have other mothers put up a high notch count prior to having children? Yes, but not as high. But still high enough to damage pair bonding.

I'm not saying other parents at the school have the same body count as her. I'm saying they've probably done much worse in other ways.

I'd rather have an escort on a school committee than a parent who stabbed a classmate during their high school days, for example.

 

[corrector]

It is likely that no other mother in that school district has the notch count that she did. It would be very difficult for a conventional woman to have sex with as many men as a sex worker.

Have other mothers in that school district had extra-marital or extra-relational sex? Yes.

Have other mothers put up a high notch count prior to having children? Yes, but not as high. But still high enough to damage pair bonding.

Escorts have an industrial level notch count. I learned that the hard way by post nut clarity after dealing with one on Dec 5, 2014.

 

[SW15]

other parents at the school.....they've probably done much worse in other ways.

I'd rather have an escort on a school committee than a parent who stabbed a classmate during their high school days, for example.

It's totally possible that other parents at that school have done worse things. There are likely parents who have theft records, assault records, etc.

 

[Dr.Suave]

Enjoy your discussion in Anything Else. Not in Don Juan.

You are preaching to the choir. I have said the same thing in most of my posts.

 

[Dr.Suave]

Are you men truly so delusional? It is like you all live in a fantastical realm like you're billionaire movie stars or something. Nothing which you speak of actually occurs in real life and it certainly does not occur to you.

I can see the next troll thread "I discovered my GF of 3 years is secretly a hooker, what should I do?"

Me: Sometimes "x" happens irl, its not that rare.

You: I have never seen or heard of "x" so I dont believe you and Im gonna call you delusional and a troll. It is like you all live in a fantastical realm like you're billionaire movie stars or something. Nothing which you speak of actually occurs in real life and it certainly does not occur to you.

I can see the next troll thread "X happened irl, what should I do?"

You are usually a good poster but this is a topic that triggers you with a blind passion or something. Why do you even read and reply to h00ker threads?

Maybe h00kers are different in the United States, I wouldnt know. Heck, things might be very different from city to city for all I know. All I can talk about is the particular case of my city. A number of University girls moonlight as part time h00kers (that´s how the pay for university), they do everything possible to keep friends and relatives from finding out (but obviously it doesnt always work like they planned), some of them are in ltrs, and sometimes the guy is or isnt aware. ITS NOT THAT F0CKING UNUSUAL, BRO. Not in this city, anyways.

You dont do h00kers, but somehow you are the expert on what happens or doesnt? Give me a break. Its a discussion forum, we are gonna disagree, but calling me a troll was absolutely unjustified.

Edit: F0ck it, here it goes: Back when I was 15, an older friend introduced me to my city´s massage parlors. No id required as they dont sell alcohol and I looked older than 15 (and in the rare case that someone would ask for id, half the time you could pay for the person in charge to look the other way).

I was horny, I had money in my pocket, I had no "game" or any SoSuave knowledge. I was like a kid in a f0cking toy store. My options were spending my money on either video games or young, hot, childless 18 year old p00zy. So as a horny 15 year old, more often than not my money didnt went to video games.

I eventually met this girl who was (to me) a legit 9.9 out of 10 and I became a regular for years; At the time I liked her body so much that I didnt want to bang other girls anymore.

Her story: She was a student at one of the best private Universities in the city. Her dad was the provider in the family, he died, she started moonlighting part time at one of the massage parlors to afford staying at her university and support her family.

She would buy stuff for her family, they would be happy at first, then ask her where the money came from, she would say "Dont ask if you are gonna hate the answer", they would fight but keep the stuff anyway, rinse & repeat a few times until they stop asking where the money came from and just accept the gifts.

In those years, she had two different boyfriends, completely unaware of her part time job. The second guy was rich, so she quit the part time job and got "accidentally" pregnant with his child. I was so obssesed with her at the time, I was devastated. Sounds dumb now but I was young.

But to the point, sometimes "x" happens irl. You can take my word for it, not take my word for it and come visit to talk to these girls yourself, or keep living in denial.

"No hay peor ciego que el que no quiere ver"

You are a solid bro, Pierce. I say all of this without any animosity whatsoever. I have no beef with you.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

That is supposed to be a rebuttal?

There is no need to rebuke the wall of tripe you wrote; most of it is so far off the central topic it's absurd.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Good post.

Reminds me of this escort I was with back in September. She said she became an escort post-divorce for the following reasons: She can get all the sex she wants, get paid for it, and not have to deal with a boyfriend/husband.

You do realize that that is the perfect story for a Jon like you? It subtly reinforces the idea that she wanted sex with YOU, lol.

That woman doesn’t want sex with a man that has to pay for it and imagining that you’re Richard Gere is ridiculous because you’re not Richard Gere and you’re not a billionaire and the chances of that happening in real life are fairly low. Never mind the type of wh0re that you sleep with is not the type of wh0re that Richard Gere sleeps with.

Again self-reinforcing logic to justify an untenable stance.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

It’s not just the sex. It having a woman lust for you. Hookers don’t do that. Nothing is more fulfilling than being with a woman who absolutely wants you inside her.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

I don't necessarily expect sex after spending $40.

But the point is, I spent money/time/energy on her, yet still didn't get sex. As for the time/energy thing, I go into detail on the thread about her. Let's just say for the 4 days after the date, she took up a lot of my time/energy.

Since time is money, the $40 doesn't tell the whole story. Let's tack on an extra $40 as the time/energy cost. We're up to $80.

Had we gotten another date, I likely would have spent another 40. We're up to 120. And still no guarantee of sex. On the other hand, I've gotten an escort (guaranteed sex) for 120 before.

I don’t get this mindset.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

TLDR;

These threads posted by men who pay for sex with wh0res do not belong on a board like Sosuave.

You’re like chicks trying to invade male only spaces. You want the residents to accept you, but we do not.

If you want or need to pay wh0res for sex do it, but the subject does not belong on the board and trying to get the majority of us to accept its presence is pick-me behavior.

Me: Sometimes "x" happens irl, it’s not that rare.

You: I have never seen or heard of "x" so I dont believe you and Im gonna call you delusional and a troll. It is like you all live in a fantastical realm like you're billionaire movie stars or something. Nothing which you speak of actually occurs in real life and it certainly does not occur to you.

I can see the next troll thread "X happened irl, what should I do?"

You are usually a good poster but this is a topic that triggers you with a blind passion or something. Why do you even read and reply to h00ker threads?

Maybe h00kers are different in the United States, I wouldnt know. Heck, things might be very different from city to city for all I know. All I can talk about is the particular case of my city. A number of University girls moonlight as part time h00kers (that´s how the pay for university), they do everything possible to keep friends and relatives from finding out (but obviously it doesnt always work like they planned), some of them are in ltrs, and sometimes the guy is or isnt aware. ITS NOT THAT F0CKING UNUSUAL, BRO. Not in this city, anyways.

You dont do h00kers, but somehow you are the expert on what happens or doesnt? Give me a break. Its a discussion forum, we are gonna disagree, but calling me a troll was absolutely unjustified.

Edit: F0ck it, here it goes: Back when I was 15, an older friend introduced me to my city´s massage parlors. No id required as they dont sell alcohol and I looked older than 15 (and in the rare case that someone would ask for id, half the time you could pay for the person in charge to look the other way).

I was horny, I had money in my pocket, I had no "game" or any SoSuave knowledge. I was like a kid in a f0cking toy store. My options were spending my money on either video games or young, hot, childless 18 year old p00zy. So as a horny 15 year old, more often than not my money didnt went to video games.

I eventually met this girl who was (to me) a legit 9.9 out of 10 and I became a regular for years; At the time I liked her body so much that I didnt want to bang other girls anymore.

Her story: She was a student at one of the best private Universities in the city. Her dad was the provider in the family, he died, she started moonlighting part time at one of the massage parlors to afford staying at her university and support her family.

She would buy stuff for her family, they would be happy at first, then ask her where the money came from, she would say "Dont ask if you are gonna hate the answer", they would fight but keep the stuff anyway, rinse & repeat a few times until they stop asking where the money came from and just accept the gifts.

In those years, she had two different boyfriends, completely unaware of her part time job. The second guy was rich, so she quit the part time job and got "accidentally" pregnant with his child. I was so obssesed with her at the time, I was devastated. Sounds dumb now but I was young.

But to the point, sometimes "x" happens irl. You can take my word for it, not take my word for it and come visit to talk to these girls yourself, or keep living in denial.

"No hay peor ciego que el que no quiere ver"

You are a solid bro, Pierce. I say all of this without any animosity whatsoever. I have no beef with you.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

I don't necessarily expect sex after spending $40.

No? I didn't expect that.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

It’s not just the sex. It having a woman lust for you. Hookers don’t do that. Nothing is more fulfilling than being with a woman who absolutely wants you inside her.

Agreed.

Sometimes I come across a lay that clearly isn’t used to being kissed, intimacy, played with and truly seduced, they’re used to guys that bang them like I imagine a Jon would bang a wh0re, with zero emotion.

A man’s ability to get a woman to connect emotionally with him plus mad skeelz in bed is what makes a guy alpha widow a chick. They’ve never had it so good and likely will not again, because 99.9% of men cannot figure it out or give a flying fock.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

I don’t get this mindset.

That's because you're not used to paying for sex, like @GoodMan32.

Non-wh0remongers, otherwise known as men, don't expect a woman to pay for her date by spreading her legs.