escorts vs civvies

[GoodMan32]

Instead of calling them "escorts vs civies", we should call them "women that take your money and give sex Vs women that take your money and maybe give sex, eventually"

Yep. The last date I went on (summer 2023; I have a thread about it on here) cost me $40. I got no sex.

 

[corrector]

It's nothing to do with being 'beneath me'. Escorts ARE fringe women. 99% of women are NOT escorts. Even if I suddenly decided to spend all my money on hookers and blow, doesn't mean this conversation should be in Don Juan. Buying a hooker has nothing to do with Don Juan. That is: Meeting, Dating or Attacting women. The only corner case would be if someone was interested in dating a sex worker. Full disclosure. I dated a girl who later became a stripper. But honestly, probably not that relevent.

I'll repeat a point I mentioned earlier. Allot of seduction simply works if you already have abundance with women in the first place.
If you know you can hire almost any hooker/escort you want, then this creates abundance (ie much like saying you can bang any woman you want - but you just need a phone call, some cash, at least 15 minutes of times and a pair of balls).

If you have no abundance then you have scarcity and lack of options. Therefore, I might be an incel, but if I have some cash (which I do by the way), then I could theoretically set myself up with any woman I want in about less than an hour from now and get intimate with her if I wanted to, but because of those bad evil spirits, I'm not going there. So like I'm the man. This is the discussion about abundance and seduction.

 

[corrector]

Dude, are you really that delusional?

1. its fiction
2. you are not Ewan Mcgregor or Richard Gere

At the end of it all, I am merely addressing that the abundance mindset is discussed allot and beliving you have access to hot women (or otherwise you would find sexually attractive if you have niche tastes) is an example of abundance.

In terms of the movies themselves, I found they were entertaining (have not watched them recently though, more like 2017ish). So I would agree with point 1) about fiction. However, I don't knock fiction. Fiction with me is telling a truth through lies. Sometimes real life stories inspire fiction stories. It is art. It could be talking about the human condition, and dynamics of heart vs money.

The second point, again, is besides the point. How an actor is in real life is irrelevant. You are only concerned about the characters they represent within the story of the movie and whether the story, as fiction, has merits of expressing a greater meaning or truth. Just like you can have a great actor/actress, but if you have very sloppy screen-writing or a bad story-line, then it becomes a mess. These movies had a great screen-story, and for the A-list actors to sell the movie, in both cases, it means they were into their character enough that you forget that you are looking at them as actors. Some of these movies, especially in the 90s/early 00s are even break-out roles for some of these actors/actresses, which means they were not well known celebrities at the times those movies were made.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Dear god what a bunch of drivel, my eyes are
bleeding.

The mental calisthenics, that some of you guys go through to justify your weird opinions and behaviors are epic.

 

[SW15]

Why would anyone want to Wife Up a sex worker?

Ask this guy. This is a major trending story in the Dallas-Fort Worth area right now. A 38 year old woman who has been a sex worker for 10+ years has a husband and multiple children.

Convicted prostitute, current escort removed from Godley ISD groups, including council overseeing Sex-Ed

A woman tasked with helping decide sexual education curriculum in Godley ISD has been removed from multiple positions within the district because she's a convicted prostitute.

www.fox4news.com

Texas mom booted from school district sex-ed panel after prostitution convictions, escort work exposed by parents

Ashley Ketcherside advertised scantily-clad images of herself online as “true girl next door” Lola Brea while serving on the sex-ed panel.

nypost.com

Plus a lot of white men (at least where I live) fetishize Latinas. It's possible my neighbor fetishized her.

The story above is about a White male married to a Hispanic/Latina sex worker.

 

[Gamisch]

Few takes some people tend to miss . Why? Because prostitution is (rightfully so) stigmatized. The latter keeps both men and women away from" the dark side".

It does prove that sex for men is just as if not more of a mental thing than it is to women.
exempli gratia: 1. You might want a "hb8,5". So you "run game " on her. You tke her out make her laugh, "conquer her p00sy " and have the best sex ever with the hottest woman you've ever had.

But...2. Little you know she ALSO had a history/future (!!!) as an escort. So , you or your bff homie fecks the SAME girl, but the entrance is different : you simply pay her fee and have the exact same sex.

__________ _____________________ ________

If I understand the sentiment here most men would rather go for option 1 ,proving that the MENTAL aspect is more important to them. Their ego can't handle the fact that the woman they've "conquered " is NOT the exclusive confirmation that they are a "special breed ": she'll lick a 70 year old man's azz for tge right amount of money and gets pissed on in the process. Sorry fellas...

*******************************************
Now here's another thing y'all missespecially @corrector overlooks this).

prostitution is a way for Chad and Stacy to meet under ideal circumstances.

Chat just wants to nut. Stacy wants finacial gains, but preferably with a man who is good looking. This is why some women won't stop this occupation any time soon. Both parties get what they want without any strings attached. If a man has money in abundance he wont worry about spending 100/200 bucks on guaranteed hot sex.

someone already referred to the movie pretty woman. Because the scenario is WAY more realistic than most realize. Chad/ Tyrone types of dudes might be MORE prone to being sex/attention addicts, because from ever since we were 13 we had women expressing their interest .

Once such a man discovers the ease of getting sex with hot women without the emotional baggage/dama/ stress,it might be addictive A F.

==================================
-Lastly, your roots might have more female prostitutes than you'd like to believe. Its the oldest profession known to mankind.

- most "manly men" in the past like pirates thieves and soldiers, would gladly spent their earned money on ....yup...hookers. Tge type of man that nowadays is glorified as a "badboy" or " alpha " had ALWAYS throughout history spend money on hoolkers and easy sex. Many many many of your grand mothers were hookers.

Women understand this dynamic much better than men. Every woman contemplated being a hooker at some point in her life. Especially after she gets played a few times. I thought this forum was about taking the red(reality) pill?. Yet men get triggered when they hear the truth..

 

[corrector]

Dear god what a bunch of drivel, my eyes are
bleeding.

The mental calisthenics, that some of you guys go through to justify your weird opinions and behaviors are epic.

That is supposed to be a rebuttal?

 

[The Duke]

Few takes some people tend to miss . Why? Because prostitution is (rightfully so) stigmatized. The latter keeps both men and women away from" the dark side".

It does prove that sex for men is just as if not more of a mental thing than it is to women.
exempli gratia: 1. You might want a "hb8,5". So you "run game " on her. You tke her out make her laugh, "conquer her p00sy " and have the best sex ever with the hottest woman you've ever had.

But...2. Little you know she ALSO had a history/future (!!!) as an escort. So , you or your bff homie fecks the SAME girl, but the entrance is different : you simply pay her fee and have the exact same sex.

__________ _____________________ ________

If I understand the sentiment here most men would rather go for option 1 ,proving that the MENTAL aspect is more important to them. Their ego can't handle the fact that the woman they've "conquered " is NOT the exclusive confirmation that they are a "special breed ": she'll lick a 70 year old man's azz for tge right amount of money and gets pissed on in the process. Sorry fellas...

*******************************************
Now here's another thing y'all missespecially @corrector overlooks this).

prostitution is a way for Chad and Stacy to meet under ideal circumstances.

Chat just wants to nut. Stacy wants finacial gains, but preferably with a man who is good looking. This is why some women won't stop this occupation any time soon. Both parties get what they want without any strings attached. If a man has money in abundance he wont worry about spending 100/200 bucks on guaranteed hot sex.

someone already referred to the movie pretty woman. Because the scenario is WAY more realistic than most realize. Chad/ Tyrone types of dudes might be MORE prone to being sex/attention addicts, because from ever since we were 13 we had women expressing their interest .

Once such a man discovers the ease of getting sex with hot women without the emotional baggage/dama/ stress,it might be addictive A F.

==================================
-Lastly, your roots might have more female prostitutes than you'd like to believe. Its the oldest profession known to mankind.

- most "manly men" in the past like pirates thieves and soldiers, would gladly spent their earned money on ....yup...hookers. Tge type of man that nowadays is glorified as a "badboy" or " alpha " had ALWAYS throughout history spend money on hoolkers and easy sex. Many many many of your grand mothers were hookers.

Women understand this dynamic much better than men. Every woman contemplated being a hooker at some point in her life. Especially after she gets played a few times. I thought this forum was about taking the red(reality) pill?. Yet men get triggered when they hear the truth..

Every man I've known that has abundance has banged a hooker more than once. They see it for what it is, nothing more. They don't come here to rationalize it.

When he is tired of the b.s. that comes with fuhking regular girls and just needs to bust a nut that's what he does.

Women are women, they are all hookers to varying degrees.

 

[The Duke]

That is supposed to be a rebuttal?

It's the damn truth. Lots of mental masturbators, few who actually get results. Do more, talk less. Action son. Get out of the house and try for an HB2 this week. Report back.

 

[pipeman84]

Because prostitution is (rightfully so) stigmatized.

Being in a sexual relationship with several guys at one time, having a sexual history, being divorced ... all of these have been equally stigmatised.

- most "manly men" in the past like pirates thieves and soldiers, would gladly spent their earned money on ....yup...hookers. Tge type of man that nowadays is glorified as a "badboy" or " alpha " had ALWAYS throughout history spend money on hoolkers and easy sex.

100% this. And they most probably would LOL at the current crop of 'seducers' who are active on OLD for instance and who spend an inordinately amount of time and money to basically get the same result (IF they manage to get it).

 

[GoodMan32]

What? She didn't put out after you spent forty dollars on her? Must be a gold digger.

I don't necessarily expect sex after spending $40.

But the point is, I spent money/time/energy on her, yet still didn't get sex. As for the time/energy thing, I go into detail on the thread about her. Let's just say for the 4 days after the date, she took up a lot of my time/energy.

Since time is money, the $40 doesn't tell the whole story. Let's tack on an extra $40 as the time/energy cost. We're up to $80.

Had we gotten another date, I likely would have spent another 40. We're up to 120. And still no guarantee of sex. On the other hand, I've gotten an escort (guaranteed sex) for 120 before.

 

[corrector]

Every man I've known that has abundance has banged a hooker more than once. They see it for what it is, nothing more. They don't come here to rationalize it.

When he is tired of the b.s. that comes with fuhking regular girls and just needs to bust a nut that's what he does.

Women are women, they are all hookers to varying degrees.

Like I said, abundance mindset is talked allot here. When put to aftually practise then people say its not relevant for a diacussion.

 

[SW15]

Instead of calling them "escorts vs civies", we should call them "women that take your money and give sex Vs women that take your money and maybe give sex, eventually"

The last date I went on (summer 2023; I have a thread about it on here) cost me $40. I got no sex.

I don't necessarily expect sex after spending $40.

But the point is, I spent money/time/energy on her, yet still didn't get sex. As for the time/energy thing, I go into detail on the thread about her. Let's just say for the 4 days after the date, she took up a lot of my time/energy.

Since time is money, the $40 doesn't tell the whole story. Let's tack on an extra $40 as the time/energy cost. We're up to $80.

Had we gotten another date, I likely would have spent another 40. We're up to 120. And still no guarantee of sex. On the other hand, I've gotten an escort (guaranteed sex) for 120 before.

Dating conventionally is paying for sex indirectly.

Most first dates cost between $20-$40. It often takes somewhere between 1-5 dates to get laid with an individual woman. Also, many 1st-2nd dates fail and do not result in any sex.

A man starting from scratch in interacting with women might absorb $500+ of courting costs before he is able to have sex when he tries to date conventionally. Every man's results vary.

When dating conventionally, there are a lot of costs on the front side of dating. It takes a decent amount of money for most men to get a single instance of sex. The cost per instance of sex goes down for a bit after the first instance of sex but then eventually rises in time in an LTR with engagement ring costs and then costs associated with a household pet, raising children, etc. Also, frequency of sex drops after marriage and babies with enough time, raising the cost of sex on a per instance basis too. It becomes similar to a U shaped curve with getting sex from traditional, monogamous type LTRs. If a man can maintain the bottom of the U shaped curve on costs for a longer time, it is more advantageous.

 

[GoodMan32]

Ask this guy. This is a major trending story in the Dallas-Fort Worth area right now. A 38 year old woman who has been a sex worker for 10+ years has a husband and multiple children.

Convicted prostitute, current escort removed from Godley ISD groups, including council overseeing Sex-Ed

A woman tasked with helping decide sexual education curriculum in Godley ISD has been removed from multiple positions within the district because she's a convicted prostitute.

www.fox4news.com

Texas mom booted from school district sex-ed panel after prostitution convictions, escort work exposed by parents

Ashley Ketcherside advertised scantily-clad images of herself online as “true girl next door” Lola Brea while serving on the sex-ed panel.

nypost.com

The story above is about a White male married to a Hispanic/Latina sex worker.

Interesting story about the escort. There are all sorts of reasons a charge might not show up on a background check; it doesn't surprise me one bit she slipped through the cracks.

I find her attractive.

The fact she got ousted goes to show what corrector and I have been saying: Escorts get dehumanized.

So she's an escort, big whoop. Other parents at school have probably done much worse. Sex is a strange thing: It's totally fine to do it for free, yet you're a monster if you do it for money.

 

[GoodMan32]

Few takes some people tend to miss . Why? Because prostitution is (rightfully so) stigmatized. The latter keeps both men and women away from" the dark side".

It does prove that sex for men is just as if not more of a mental thing than it is to women.
exempli gratia: 1. You might want a "hb8,5". So you "run game " on her. You tke her out make her laugh, "conquer her p00sy " and have the best sex ever with the hottest woman you've ever had.

But...2. Little you know she ALSO had a history/future (!!!) as an escort. So , you or your bff homie fecks the SAME girl, but the entrance is different : you simply pay her fee and have the exact same sex.

__________ _____________________ ________

If I understand the sentiment here most men would rather go for option 1 ,proving that the MENTAL aspect is more important to them. Their ego can't handle the fact that the woman they've "conquered " is NOT the exclusive confirmation that they are a "special breed ": she'll lick a 70 year old man's azz for tge right amount of money and gets pissed on in the process. Sorry fellas...

*******************************************
Now here's another thing y'all missespecially @corrector overlooks this).

prostitution is a way for Chad and Stacy to meet under ideal circumstances.

Chat just wants to nut. Stacy wants finacial gains, but preferably with a man who is good looking. This is why some women won't stop this occupation any time soon. Both parties get what they want without any strings attached. If a man has money in abundance he wont worry about spending 100/200 bucks on guaranteed hot sex.

someone already referred to the movie pretty woman. Because the scenario is WAY more realistic than most realize. Chad/ Tyrone types of dudes might be MORE prone to being sex/attention addicts, because from ever since we were 13 we had women expressing their interest .

Once such a man discovers the ease of getting sex with hot women without the emotional baggage/dama/ stress,it might be addictive A F.

==================================
-Lastly, your roots might have more female prostitutes than you'd like to believe. Its the oldest profession known to mankind.

- most "manly men" in the past like pirates thieves and soldiers, would gladly spent their earned money on ....yup...hookers. Tge type of man that nowadays is glorified as a "badboy" or " alpha " had ALWAYS throughout history spend money on hoolkers and easy sex. Many many many of your grand mothers were hookers.

Women understand this dynamic much better than men. Every woman contemplated being a hooker at some point in her life. Especially after she gets played a few times. I thought this forum was about taking the red(reality) pill?. Yet men get triggered when they hear the truth..

Good post.

Reminds me of this escort I was with back in September. She said she became an escort post-divorce for the following reasons: She can get all the sex she wants, get paid for it, and not have to deal with a boyfriend/husband.

 

[SW15]

Interesting story about the escort. There are all sorts of reasons a charge might not show up on a background check; it doesn't surprise me one bit she slipped through the cracks.

I find her attractive.

The fact she got ousted goes to show what corrector and I have been saying: Escorts get dehumanized.

So she's an escort, big whoop. Other parents at school have probably done much worse. Sex is a strange thing: It's totally fine to do it for free, yet you're a monster if you do it for money.

It is likely that no other mother in that school district has the notch count that she did. It would be very difficult for a conventional woman to have sex with as many men as a sex worker.

Have other mothers in that school district had extra-marital or extra-relational sex? Yes.

Have other mothers put up a high notch count prior to having children? Yes, but not as high. But still high enough to damage pair bonding.

 

[GoodMan32]

Dating conventionally is paying for sex indirectly.

Most first dates cost between $20-$40. It often takes somewhere between 1-5 dates to get laid with an individual woman. Also, many 1st-2nd dates fail and do not result in any sex.

A man starting from scratch in interacting with women might absorb $500+ of courting costs before he is able to have sex when he tries to date conventionally. Every man's results vary.

When dating conventionally, there are a lot of costs on the front side of dating. It takes a decent amount of money for most men to get a single instance of sex. The cost per instance of sex goes down for a bit after the first instance of sex but then eventually rises in time in an LTR with engagement ring costs and then costs associated with a household pet, raising children, etc. Also, frequency of sex drops after marriage and babies with enough time, raising the cost of sex on a per instance basis too. It becomes similar to a U shaped curve with getting sex from traditional, monogamous type LTRs. If a man can maintain the bottom of the U shaped curve on costs for a longer time, it is more advantageous.

I don't have the mental energy for a relationship right now. The date I had this summer wasn't exactly something I was actively looking for; it just kinda happened.

If I were to get sex from a non-escort, I'd prefer it to be with a woman who's only looking for sex (not a boyfriend)

 

[GoodMan32]

It is likely that no other mother in that school district has the notch count that she did. It would be very difficult for a conventional woman to have sex with as many men as a sex worker.

Have other mothers in that school district had extra-marital or extra-relational sex? Yes.

Have other mothers put up a high notch count prior to having children? Yes, but not as high. But still high enough to damage pair bonding.

I'm not saying other parents at the school have the same body count as her. I'm saying they've probably done much worse in other ways.

I'd rather have an escort on a school committee than a parent who stabbed a classmate during their high school days, for example.

 

[corrector]

It is likely that no other mother in that school district has the notch count that she did. It would be very difficult for a conventional woman to have sex with as many men as a sex worker.

Have other mothers in that school district had extra-marital or extra-relational sex? Yes.

Have other mothers put up a high notch count prior to having children? Yes, but not as high. But still high enough to damage pair bonding.

Escorts have an industrial level notch count. I learned that the hard way by post nut clarity after dealing with one on Dec 5, 2014.

 

[SW15]

other parents at the school.....they've probably done much worse in other ways.

I'd rather have an escort on a school committee than a parent who stabbed a classmate during their high school days, for example.

It's totally possible that other parents at that school have done worse things. There are likely parents who have theft records, assault records, etc.