escorts vs civvies

[corrector]

sex work has been around since Biblical times.

It is discouraged though. Women didn't have any rights like they have today. Often if a woman was divorced or not married, then she'd be subject to a life of poverty. They didn't have the conveniences of modern society, like welfare, women having the same or better jobs as guys, and were often viewed as property. In this context, women would have to do sex work just to eat to survive because she needed a husband to survive (ie despite this, of course, not all women did this)

In Western society, I don't feel there is justification like that for women to do that like in Biblical times. I do get there are other "issues" and spiritual forces that can make people do sick things or make bad decisions in terms of lifestyle. However, like you said most of these types of women don't do sex work and manage to survive without going there.

 

[corrector]

I know you're working now and mostly enjoying being good at it. I also assume it provides health insurance. A couple of questions:

1. When was the last time you did a physical?
2. Does it have wellness coverage? (do they provide coverage to talk to a counselor?)

I guess it would be good for you to explore them and positively affect moving the pieces forward on the board.

You're an earnest and mostly honest guy; you often bear your heart out to us and hear wildly divergent responses from all of us from time to time (and the collective WE have our issues). Good therapists would likely be a better option than this forum; at least the message will be consistent. I'd suggest a male, not a female.

Knowing where your physical health is right now would be a good thing as well, as you age there are things that can contribute to your wellness that you may not know are an issue.

If everything is focused on "escorts/prostitutes" then it can be quarantined. How I may or may not feel about escorts or past interactions with them over 9 years ago, has no effect on the rest of myself. In fact, you only see this type of expression when the topic of escorts are brought up. Don't even reply much to any other type of thread at all or make any threads. It's only one or two posters making these types of threads.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

For young men, I totally agree men want sex a lot more.

Once a man is in his 30s (like me), this changes. I'm not nearly as horny as I used to be (other men in their 30s and above have told me the same).

A woman's sex drive, on the other hand, supposedly increases once she reaches 30.

That being said, even a 30+ year old man might appear hornier than his female peers. For one simple reason: For a man, sex is sex. We climax during the vast majority of sex sessions. All we need is a slot to park our sausage. A woman, on the other hand, is less likely to reach climax from sex. So even though a woman might want sex more badly than we do, she's not going to pick just anyone. She wants a man who's going to satisfy her.

As for your assertion that you like the hunt more than the sex itself, I respect that stance. I've heard other men say the same. For me, however, being on the spectrum, the hunt leads to frustrations/mess-ups the vast majority of the time. So as rewarding as it is for a woman to submit to me sexually without payment, I hate the hunt with a burning passion.

I'm in my 50s, and while I have always had a very high libido, I am more randy now than I ever have been in my life. As a few here have described it in the past, I am one of those "sexual athletes"; I enjoy women like pretty much nothing else in the world. I can easily dedicate several hours a day to sex because my chosen occupation allows me to do so. Like I was explaining to one of my birds last night, who is particularly well endowed in the chest department after she noted (as I was paying with her mammaries) "Have you always been a boobs guy?" my answer was, "In this case, I totally am because they're beautiful and kind of out there, but in general women are born with physiques that are congruent - I've been with partners who were a-cups, and I still found them wildly attractive."

She was amazed and pleased by my answer. Her response was, "You really love women, don't you?" with a great big smile on her face, to which I replied, "Categorically". Her answer: "Yes, and it shows. I get to be the beneficiary of it thank you."

p.s. I know some here will rile against what I've written: don't pedestalize. Aren't there more important things? That's pathetic, I don't care if a woman orgasms or not, no way anyone can have sex for hours or come several times a day...spare me the vitriol.

Just because it is not your experience does not mean it is not the case.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

The vast majority of men aren't garbage collectors. But still, wouldn't it be insulting/dehumanizing to refer to garbage collectors as garbage collectors, but refer to the rest of us as men?

(I picked garbage collectors for the analogy because that's a profession that's stigmatized and overwhelmingly male)

most people aren’t soldiers. Is is insulting to refer to a person as a ‘soldier’?

The vast majority of men aren't garbage collectors. But still, wouldn't it be insulting/dehumanizing to refer to garbage collectors as garbage collectors, but refer to the rest of us as men?

(I picked garbage collectors for the analogy because that's a profession that's stigmatized and overwhelmingly male)

They are referred to as sanitation engineers’.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

It is discouraged though. Women didn't have any rights like they have today. Often if a woman was divorced or not married, then she'd be subject to a life of poverty. They didn't have the conveniences of modern society, like welfare, women having the same or better jobs as guys, and were often viewed as property. In this context, women would have to do sex work just to eat to survive because she needed a husband to survive (ie despite this, of course, not all women did this)

In Western society, I don't feel there is justification like that for women to do that like in Biblical times. I do get there are other "issues" and spiritual forces that can make people do sick things or make bad decisions in terms of lifestyle. However, like you said most of these types of women don't do sex work and manage to survive without going there.

Prostitutes were always looked down upon.

 

[sangheilios]

I'm totally down to become better with pulling the ladies. But at the same time, escorts come with a lot of pluses you don't get when trying to pull civvies.

Many guys, however, are adamant civvies are way better than escorts. Which makes me wonder...is there some universal truth I'm missing? A universal truth these guys know, that I'm unaware of?

Perhaps there's a shortcut to pulling civvies that I'm unaware of? Because to me, pulling a civvie appears to be a lot more time and effort.

Here are my thoughts and feelings pertaining to this.

Having sex with an escort is not the same as having sex with a woman you are dating, which I'll elaborate on.

When you have sex with an escort you might be enjoying the moment but it's not comparable to having sex with a woman that is actually attracted to you. The best way I can honestly describe it is a step up from masturbation, you might be ****ing a woman, seeing her bounce and jiggle around, etc. However, these women are doing this purely for the money and not really into the interaction, so it will come across as kind of mechanical. Sure, there are some escorts that may be nymphos, which would be the best ones to find, but I think more often than not it's purely a transactional thing for them.

When you fool around with a woman that is actually attracted to you there is an entirely different dynamic to it. They seem to be much more into pleasing you, they seem to climax/orgasm more easily, much more eager and into it in the moment, etc. I think a lot of issues men have in relationships and dating are often because they are involved with women that aren't really that attracted to them. These women in relationships may start seeing sex as a chore. Those in the earlier stages of dating might just have sex with a man to see if they develop some sort of "spark" with this guy, etc. They really aren't into it but simply going through the motions. If a woman is attracted to you, or ideally highly attracted, she will be far more readily available sexually.

 

[sangheilios]

Now I will have a problem to fapping with escort women. Part of the allure of enjoying escort ads are that they are actually pics of real women. To maintain the suspension of disbelief this is necessary.

Or perhaps, the only reason I can fap to them is because they are not normal woman but like cvm dumpsters. Normal women have a different fap aspect, I cant do that without getting jockjaw. Like someone is punching me for taking advantage of a woman in my mind. However with escorts the fapping feels allot easier, just like using the washroom rather than a conquest. Perhaps they register as different after all.

Bro, wth are you going on about with this craziness?

 

[corrector]

I enjoy women like pretty much nothing else in the world. I can easily dedicate several hours a day to sex because my chosen occupation allows me to do so. Like I was explaining to one of my birds last night, who is particularly well endowed in the chest department after she noted (as I was paying with her mammaries) "Have you always been a boobs guy?" my answer was, "In this case, I totally am because they're beautiful and kind of out there, but in general women are born with physiques that are congruent - I've been with partners who were a-cups, and I still found them wildly attractive."

She was amazed and pleased by my answer. Her response was, "You really love women, don't you?" with a great big smile on her face, to which I replied,

Exactly why I like looking at escort ads. Too many variations of races, sizes, and shapes of women, breasts, nipples, etc... For example, if you are in the mood for a woman with a huge butt, you just go on the ad, find her, and start fapping. I wish I didn't like pictures of women that much. It's like a huge catelogue of women's bodies, not unlike you are professing your love of women because of variations of bodies. The only difference is you have the looks to get women attracted to you, whereas other have to pay or fap at pictures of them. How do you present that as some sort of virtue here then (really a curiousity tone)?

 

[corrector]

Sure, there are some escorts that may be nymphos,

Interesting. All of the escorts ads I am fapping about are all 100% nympthos in my mind.

Even when I dealt with them in the past in 2014, they were all great experiences at the moment. Don't know where you guys are finding these "mechanical escorts". The idea is that everybody gets wild and crazy in a session, not mechanical.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

The only difference is you have the looks to get women attracted to you, whereas other have to pay or fap at pictures of them. How do you present that as some sort of virtue here then (really a curiousity tone)?

Men who genuinely attract women are MADE, not born. This black pill excuse of not having the "genetics" is BS. If I were your run-of-the-mill 50-something white male, I'd be 40-50lbs overweight, wear Costco jeans, have a bad haircut, with nose and ear hair that is so long it could be braided and would struggle to see the tip of my cawk when looking down.

Until you get in gym shape and handle your personal style issues and general shyness (around women), you are not maxed out and cannot compare yourself to those of us who have put in the years of work required to be your personal best.

Until you are, your proclamations of not being attractive are platitudes and excuses not to push yourself toward excellence.

 

[corrector]

Men who genuinely attract women are MADE, not born. This black pill excuse of not having the "genetics" is BS. If I were your run-of-the-mill 50-something white male, I'd be 40-50lbs overweight, wear Costco jeans, have a bad haircut, with nose and ear hair that is so long it could be braided and would struggle to see the tip of my cawk when looking down.

Until you get in gym shape and handle your personal style issues and general shyness (around women), you are not maxed out and cannot compare yourself to those of us who have put in the years of work required to be your personal best.

Until you are, your proclamations of not being attractive are platitudes and excuses not to push yourself toward excellence.

Not easy to do as a drained-out wage slave though. I mean I'm more focused on losing weight rather than gaining muscle as it's easier to just eat less. After all, if you can't control your diet, then what can you control?

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Don Juan Discussions.
‘Discuss meeting, dating, and attracting women with others. Ask a question or give advice.’.

These wh*re, OF, Porn, tranny & fapping threads need to be moved to ‘Anything Else’. They have nothing to do with ‘DJ Discussions’.

 

[corrector]

Don Juan Discussions.
‘Discuss meeting, dating, and attracting women with others. Ask a question or give advice.’.

These wh*re, OF, Porn, tranny & fapping threads need to be moved to ‘Anything Else’. They have nothing to do with ‘DJ Discussions’.

Stop chadsplaining! BTW: Mentioning the term "tranny" could be construed as a mockery or insult as it was never brought up here (ie for example, only non-human alien greys were as suggested as pretending to be escorts/hookers implying there could be hybrid - alien/humans working as sex workers, but they are capable of working in any industry and have already infiltrated different parts of society). You have to be careful when making accusations like that.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Stop chadsplaining! BTW: Mentioning the term "tranny" could be construed as a mockery or insult as it was never brought up here.

‘tranny’ was pre-emptive.

 

[corrector]

‘tranny’ was pre-emptive.

The concept here is simple. A straight hetrosexual guy wants to get with women. Therefore, that's relevant to the discussion on this thread.
If he can't, then he either might pay for it, or their mind might play elaborate fantasy-tricks so that they will be happy enough and feel as thought they got with women. When you start knocking down copes then it's a bit insensitive.

In an ideal world, every guy gets a girl and no problem right.

Seriously guys. This is my break day. You have most of my break day triggered out.

 

[GoodMan32]

Exactly why I like looking at escort ads. Too many variations of races, sizes, and shapes of women, breasts, nipples, etc... For example, if you are in the mood for a woman with a huge butt, you just go on the ad, find her, and start fapping. I wish I didn't like pictures of women that much. It's like a huge catelogue of women's bodies, not unlike you are professing your love of women because of variations of bodies. The only difference is you have the looks to get women attracted to you, whereas other have to pay or fap at pictures of them. How do you present that as some sort of virtue here then (really a curiousity tone)?

That's right, all sorts of variation in escorts. Which is one reason some guys go the escort route.

Want a thick Latina with a large backside? Even if you're good at picking up a woman in person, there's no guarantee you'll pick up a woman fitting that exact description if you go out to a bar to look for a woman. By going the escort route, however, you can reserve yourself a thick Latina with a large backside.

If, for example, you want a blonde MILF, same idea applies.

Same applies for any variety of woman for that matter.

 

[GoodMan32]

most people aren’t soldiers. Is is insulting to refer to a person as a ‘soldier’?

They are referred to as sanitation engineers’.

The soldier analogy is different. Even though there's some anti-military sentiment in society, soldiers are generally highly respected. Calling someone a soldier isn't an insult.

Escorts, on the other hand, are highly stigmatized.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Not easy to do as a drained-out wage slave though. I mean I'm more focused on losing weight rather than gaining muscle as it's easier to just eat less. After all, if you can't control your diet, then what can you control?

Jesus, man, I know you can't see it right now, but go lift heavy shyte, do it. Controlling your eating habits can be gradual. What do you do with the other 16 hours of the day besides sleep, assuming you do? That still leaves 8 hours? Do you eat 8 hours a day? do 100 pushups a day, even if you need to do them 5 at a time; at the end of a week, you'll be doing 20 at a time. Do 100 situps a day, same rule. You have to start somewhere - telling yourself, "I need to have it be this perfect setup to get started," is simply a way to procrastinate. I know its easier to live in your VR headset, but you're here to make things better aren't you?

Your genetics aren't holding you back; YOU ARE. Again you can't claim they are till you max your potential.

 

[GoodMan32]

Interesting. All of the escorts ads I am fapping about are all 100% nympthos in my mind.

Even when I dealt with them in the past in 2014, they were all great experiences at the moment. Don't know where you guys are finding these "mechanical escorts". The idea is that everybody gets wild and crazy in a session, not mechanical.

Escorts vary. Some get into it, no doubt.

On the flipside, I've also had escorts who rush me. One escort flat-out said "Can you go faster?" (Translation: I really don't want you in me. Let's get this over with ASAP)

 

[GoodMan32]

Don Juan Discussions.
‘Discuss meeting, dating, and attracting women with others. Ask a question or give advice.’.

These wh*re, OF, Porn, tranny & fapping threads need to be moved to ‘Anything Else’. They have nothing to do with ‘DJ Discussions’.

This thread is partially about escorts, yeah.

It's also meant as a general discussion of whether escorts or non-escorts are better.

Furthermore, as I mentioned on a previous post, I'd like to learn shortcuts/cheat codes to do better with non-escorts.

Non-escorts are part of the discussion too.