escorts vs civvies

[Pierce Manhammer]

Saying that an escort is not a real woman is dehumanizing. The civvie term maintains the diginity that they are both women. Escorts are behaving differently from other women, but are not fundementally different or less than a real woman.

Using the word escort also supposedly saves the guy some face; no man using prostitutes gives a flying fornication about how they feel unless the guy is delusional and thinks the chick actually is there for his sterling soul.

An escort is a prostitute; a wh0re by any other name smells just like a wh0re.

 

[GoodMan32]

What's a civvie? And wouldn't it be better to have a girlfriend that you didn't have to pay for sex?

Civvie is a term some of us on here use for a non-prostitute.

As for a girlfriend, I lack the mental energy for a relationship right now. Even the potential girlfriend I posted about on here a few months ago (I had one date with her; nothing further), I wasn't exactly looking; she kinda just fell into my lap (sadly not literally)

 

[GoodMan32]

From the title, I thought this was a thread about Ford Escorts vs Honda Civics.

I think a guy would have to spring for a more expensive car to maximize his sex options.

 

[corrector]

Using the word escort also supposedly saves the guy some face; no man using prostitutes gives a flying fornication about how they feel unless the guy is delusional and thinks the chick actually is there for his sterling soul.

An escort is a prostitute; a wh0re by any other name smells just like a wh0re.

That is besides the point.

 

[corrector]

Personally - I LOVE women, just love them, the smell of their skin in the sun on the beach, the way they look at you when they love you, their girlish demeanor when they give you a gift they've been waiting to give you for a while, their laughter, the impish smiles you get from across the room, their tussled hair after a good romp in the early afternoon on a random Tuesday. God bless em. I LOVE WOMEN.

So does our friend, @GoodMan32. You both just go about it in different ways.

Heck, I liked that first escort I visisted back in December 4, 2014, I was like kissing her up (not on or around her mouth of course), holding her, dancing with her, groping her and smelling her hair like there was no tomorrow. If you are willing to part money like that, then you definitely have to love them.

 

[corrector]

Interestingly, the 2 sex partners I met in person came after I had developed my escort habit (one came a few months after; the other one came 6 years after)

To be clear, what you are saying is that escorts actually help you meet civvies because you are familiar dealing with women and it resolves the thirsty desperation. What do you think would account for the 6 year gap of time?

 

[pipeman84]

Again, to each their own. But if you believe every woman you meet is a "through hoe," at the age of 39, how do you think you're going to find your virgin? I think one's beliefs greatly affect how one experiences women and what is enjoyable with them. And anyone who's doing more than two dates with women and making no progress is a fool. Personally - I LOVE women, just love them, the smell of their skin in the sun on the beach, the way they look at you when they love you, their girlish demeanor when they give you a gift they've been waiting to give you for a while, their laughter, the impish smiles you get from across the room, their tussled hair after a good romp in the early afternoon on a random Tuesday. God bless em. I LOVE WOMEN.

I don't assume every woman I meet is a hoe, but if she's +30 and from dating apps, it's almost a certainty.
Unless she's a virgin I don't believe in her love expressions/words, the girlish demeanor and all that ... it's either a charade or a deliberate intent on her part to manipulate for various reasons. Have you seen this movie? https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096256/ It's like I have those glasses on all the time and I see the real person behind the mask (literally when they wear like 3 layers of makeup )

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

1. In the United States, as of 2023, about 27% of women have reported using online dating sites or apps at some point.

2. In 2023, the female population in the United States is approximately 169.1 million

3. The demographic data from 2021 shows that women in the 30-44 and 45-54 age brackets make up around 25.7% of the US population

4. 169,000,000 x 27% = 45,657,000 million

5. 45,657,000 million x 25.7 % = 11,733,849 million women over 30 on OLD.

Begs the question if all of the 11.7 million chicks on OLD in the US are wh0res, why are so many men struggling to get laid? Someone check my math.

 

[SW15]

@Pierce.Manhammer -- I like the data points and the math a lot here.

1. In the United States, as of 2023, about 27% of women have reported using online dating sites or apps at some point.

That is 27% of all women. This figure includes a lot of 60+ women. The 60+ women would likely have a much lower rate of ever using online dating at some point in their lives. There are a lot of 60+ women who have been in the same relationship for the last 20-25+ years. Their time in the same relationship predates online dating websites/the era when dating websites were stigmatized.

I'd be more interested to know the percentage of 33-42 year old women in 2023 in the United States that have ever used online dating in any form. That's women born from 1981-1990 and that would cover the first 55-60% of the Millennial generation. I would think that 50% or higher of women born from 1981-1990 have used online dating at some time in their lives. It doesn't mean these women are on it today or even seeking new penis in any way today.

5. 45,657,000 million x 25.7 % = 11,733,849 million women over 30 on OLD.

This is an incorrect assumption. This means that 11.7 million women between ages 30-54 have used online dating at some point in their lives. That could easily be a 38 year old woman who used an online dating website in the pre-app era when she was 25 in 2010. That type of person would have no relevance in the online dating market of 2023. That 38 year old also might not be seeking new penis in the real world either, as she might be in an extended relationship.

The actual number of 30-54 year old women using some form of online dating is much less at any given time. However, that might be offset by women 30-54 who would be open to interact with men who send them DMs on Instagram or Facebook. Instagram and Facebook are not technically online dating.

I think a guy would have to spring for a more expensive car to maximize his sex options.

This is true. Even men in the 6-7.5 range on looks might need a good car to maximize sex options. That affects how much he has to pay for sex indirectly.

If you have daily (or even weekly) sex, yeah.

Having sex with an escort twice a month, however (which is how often a lot of married couples do it), is probably cheaper than a wife

A conventional relationship with sex only 2 times per month is not that good. It might be considered average and might be ok with 2 participants in a marriage being 50-55+ with lower libidos. I'm 40 years old and I need sex more than 2 times in a month to consider a relationship acceptable.

Too many conventional daters stay in relationships long past their point of usefulness. If a man is staying in a relationship with sex as little as you describe, then I would consider that a problem. He's not good at managing relationships and he's settled for something unimpressive.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

I believe the variables presented do limit it to 54 years of age.

 

[SW15]

Key findings about online dating in the U.S.

Three-in-ten U.S. adults say they have ever used an online dating site or app, and Tinder tops the list of dating apps the survey studied.

www.pewresearch.org

 

[pipeman84]

27% of women have reported using online dating sites or apps at some point.

Begs the question if all of the 11.7 million chicks on OLD in the US are wh0res, why are so many men struggling to get laid? Someone check my math.

1. the majority of 27% is made up by women who make an account out of curiosity and for validation (no intention to even go on 1st date)
2. most of the remaining tiny percentage will just waste their time and the guys time with 1-2 dates that go nowhere. That's what happens when you deal with women with baggage and inauthentic hoes. Those who end up getting laid have basically taken the round about way going through a 'seduction process' that many would view as too long and unpleasant.

 

[corrector]

I believe the variables presented do limit it to 54 years of age.

They are getting laid with the 5% chad.

 

[SW15]

1. the majority of 27% is made up by women who make an account out of curiosity and for validation (no intention to even go on 1st date)
2. most of the remaining tiny percentage will just waste their time and the guys time with 1-2 dates that go nowhere. That's what happens when you deal with women with baggage and inauthentic hoes. Those who end up getting laid have basically taken the round about way going through a 'seduction process' that many would view as too long and unpleasant.

There is a lot of truth in both of these statements.

It's a common experience for men using apps to go on 1-2 dates with a woman and not have sex with her. That's generally a waste of time and a lot of the time, it is the woman cutting off the interaction after 1-2 dates. Many men do not enjoy going on 1-2 dates with many women and not getting laid from those dates. Even men who manage to get laid from some of those dates might just have a one night stand and nothing sustainable from that effort.

Online dating is a massive effort for a lot of men. Additionally, the men not using online dating and using real life methods to meet women are also going through a lot of efforts to date conventionally.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Saying that an escort is not a real woman is dehumanizing. The civvie term maintains the diginity that they are both women. Escorts are behaving differently from other women, but are not fundementally different or less than a real woman.

The default is s non-prostitute. A woman does not need to be identified as a non-prostitute. It is a given, that unless she is identified as a prostitute, she is not. There is no need for a ‘non-prostitute’ term. Woman’, unless otherwise identified as a prostitute, is a non-prostitute.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

I don't assume every woman I meet is a hoe, but if she's +30 and from dating apps, it's almost a certainty.
Unless she's a virgin I don't believe in her love expressions/words, the girlish demeanor and all that ... it's either a charade or a deliberate intent on her part to manipulate for various reasons. Have you seen this movie? https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096256/ It's like I have those glasses on all the time and I see the real person behind the mask (literally when they wear like 3 layers of makeup )

I’ve dated & LTR’d <30 year old girls I met on OLD. They were not prostitutes.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Invariably this are the arguments most give against OLD:

1. Only Hoes
2. Only warpigs
3. If a guy says he’s successful he’s banging 1&2
4. Their own failure on OLD is the only experience that’s valid, they didn’t experience it therefore it cannot be true.

1. the majority of 27% is made up by women who make an account out of curiosity and for validation (no intention to even go on 1st date)
2. most of the remaining tiny percentage will just waste their time and the guys time with 1-2 dates that go nowhere. That's what happens when you deal with women with baggage and inauthentic hoes. Those who end up getting laid have basically taken the round about way going through a 'seduction process' that many would view as too long and unpleasant.

 

[corrector]

The default is s non-prostitute. A woman does not need to be identified as a non-prostitute. It is a given, that unless she is identified as a prostitute, she is not. There is no need for a ‘non-prostitute’ term. Woman’, unless otherwise identified as a prostitute, is a non-prostitute.

In a normal discussion or in the general public perhaps. However, on escort review boards, there most of the members are actually dealing with prostitutes (or are curious about it), or on some threads on here, where an OP is otherwise regularly dealing with escorts frequently, then it makes more sense to to use the term civvie rather than undermining that an escort is a "real woman", or undermining that the OP had an experience with a "real women". Failing to do that, it implies the OP is dealing with "less than" a real women.

All other threads, where the topic of prostitution is not discussed, etc... then you don't find the term "civvie" there.

 

[corrector]

Invariably this are the arguments most give against OLD:

1. Only Hoes
2. Only warpigs
3. If a guy says he’s successful he’s banging 1&2
4. Their own failure on OLD is the only experience that’s valid, they didn’t experience it therefore it cannot be true.

5. It only works with chads.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

In a normal discussion or in the general public perhaps. However, on escort review boards, there most of the members are actually dealing with prostitutes (or are curious about it), or on some threads on here, where an OP is otherwise regularly dealing with escorts frequently, then it makes more sense to to use the term civvie rather than undermining that an escort is a "real woman", or undermining that the OP had an experience with a "real women". Failing to do that, it implies the OP is dealing with "less than" a real women.

All other threads, where the topic of prostitution is not discussed, etc... then you don't find the term "civvie" there.

Yes. In that case.