escorts vs civvies

[corrector]

You can do whatever you want,

Really? We don't need your permission?

 

[corrector]

You can do whatever you want, but fvcking prostitutes doesn't sound either Don Juan or So Suave to me. I thought these boards were for men wanting to improve their 'game'. Not much game in pulling your credit card.

Seriously though, you are only pulling your credit card if you are dealing with OnlyFans. People who visit escorts, will say some type of game is needed since escorts reject guys. For example, if you are a black guy wanting to deal with an escort that says no blacks, then you would need some solid A-game (ie act like you are one exceptional black guy who is married and is visiting on a business trip). People like @Murk and @Gamisch are Black, or have Black in them, and have managed to deal with "no black" escorts.

Assuming an escort is not rejecting on race, then you still need some game not to look like some wierdo that would make her feel uncomfortable or start talking about politics or some heavy stuff like that that would throw off the whole mood of the session.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Seriously though, you are only pulling your credit card if you are dealing with OnlyFans. People who visit escorts, will say some type of game is needed since escorts reject guys. For example, if you are a black guy wanting to deal with an escort that says no blacks, then you would need some solid A-game (ie act like you are one exceptional black guy who is married and is visiting on a business trip). People like @Murk and @Gamisch are Black, or have Black in them, and have managed to deal with "no black" escorts.

Assuming an escort is not rejecting on race, then you still need some game not to look like some wierdo that would make her feel uncomfortable or start talking about politics or some heavy stuff like that that would throw off the whole mood of the session.

I wonder if my Strip-clubcel friend could have used game on the stripper that snubbed him.

 

[corrector]

I wonder if my Strip-clubcel friend could have used game on the stripper that snubbed him.

Not likely. According to your story (ie yes, some accounts burn into my memory because you feel bad for the guy) she rolled her eyes and walked away when you mentioned the suggestion which means she already rejected him on his looks. If a woman rejects you on looks, then you can't even put the foot in the door properly. If an escort does not reject you on looks, then they can express their contempt in other ways, for example, providing mechanical service, being "dead-fish" during the session, or trying to rush through it to the point it just kills the mood, or putting on a bunch of restrictions like "no touching their boobs, etc..". In some ways, a rejection is better than poor service. At least you save your money and can use it for something else.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

The only game that would work would be to raise the amount you're paying. Furthermore, where there is one prostitute there are others, just move to the next one.

Jesus man stop being delusional, there is no game needed for prostitutes.

Seriously though, you are only pulling your credit card if you are dealing with OnlyFans. People who visit escorts, will say some type of game is needed since escorts reject guys. For example, if you are a black guy wanting to deal with an escort that says no blacks, then you would need some solid A-game (ie act like you are one exceptional black guy who is married and is visiting on a business trip). People like @Murk and @Gamisch are Black, or have Black in them, and have managed to deal with "no black" escorts.

Assuming an escort is not rejecting on race, then you still need some game not to look like some wierdo that would make her feel uncomfortable or start talking about politics or some heavy stuff like that that would throw off the whole mood of the session.

 

[pipeman84]

Invariably this are the arguments most give against OLD:

1. Only Hoes

By definition, a hoe is a woman who has disconnected the act of sex from love, outside of a monogamous relationship. If she has sex for direct monetarily gain, we call her an escort. If she has sex for a myriad other reasons, she might call herself modern, empowered, exploring sexuality and all that but she's still a hoe.
Now you tell me, how can you have sex within 1-3 dates with a woman from OLD and her NOT be a hoe. The only exception is a woman so messed up that she actually believes she's in love after such short period of time.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

By definition, a hoe is a woman who has disconnected the act of sex from love, outside of a monogamous relationship. If she has sex for direct monetarily gain, we call her an escort. If she has sex for a myriad other reasons, she might call herself modern, empowered, exploring sexuality and all that but she's still a hoe.
Now you tell me, how can you have sex within 1-3 dates with a woman from OLD and her NOT be a hoe. The only exception is a woman so messed up that she actually believes she's in love after such short period of time.

Your standards and reasoning are interesting to say the least. So how many dates does it take for her to turn down sex and NOT be a "hoe" as you describe?

 

[MatureDJ]

I must be L7 because I have no idea what "civvies" are.

 

[MatureDJ]

You have to keep paying the escort every time you have sex with her. That can be costly.

It's soon OVER for PoorEscortCels.

 

[pipeman84]

Your standards and reasoning are interesting to say the least. So how many dates does it take for her to turn down sex and NOT be a "hoe" as you describe?

However long it takes her to get to know you and fall in love with the real person ... Doc Love used to say 60 days, others have said one can't fake being a different person for more than 90 days.
But her past behavior must be congruent with the current behavior ... in other words, she can't start at 35yrs old to properly vet the guys ... a guy willing to go along with that is not a gentleman but a chump, IMO.

 

[SW15]

You have to keep paying the escort every time you have sex with her. That can be costly.

When a man has sex with escorts, the price for sex is mostly constant every time you have sex.

In conventional dating, the first few instances of sex with a new woman are highest due to courting costs being high. Over time, as a non-marital exclusive relationship happens, the costs per time having sex drop. They are likely to rise again in the future due to costs of an engagement/wedding ring and maybe costs of a honeymoon. With married life, the costs increases to due to lifestyle maintenance and having children.

 

[GoodMan32]

To be clear, what you are saying is that escorts actually help you meet civvies because you are familiar dealing with women and it resolves the thirsty desperation. What do you think would account for the 6 year gap of time?

As for familiarity with women: On another post, I saw you said pulling an escort requires at least a basic amount of skill (because even escorts turn down some men). Which is true. Ultimately, however, the fact I'm willing to pay gives me access to women who otherwise wouldn't give me the time of day. I guess what I'm saying is, I don't think my escort habit does a whole lot to make me more familiar with women.

The fact my escort habit removes the desperation is a bigger factor in why I finally started to occasionally (very occassionally) pull non-internet civvies once I developed my escort habit.

As for the 6 year gap: Even with the thirst reduction I get from utilizing escorts, I'm still pretty bad at picking up women (if I was good at it, I wouldn't be utilizing escorts in the first place)

 

[corrector]

No, but apparently you need permission from prostitutes to stuff your weenie in any of their holes.


So, you mean a black guy would have to game a racist prostitute who doesn't want to be fvcked by a black guy. You need 'game' to fvck some racist 'escort'?
All you need is more money. None of these racist escorts you're talking about would have a problem fvcking Kanye West.

You underestimate how deep the racism problem is in North America then. It's not as free and liberal place like Amsterdam in that way.

For the record, I did reference @Murk and @Gamisch but THEY are not dealing with North American prostitutes. They are dealing with European prostitutes. I don't think Europe, or Amsterdam as a whole has the same type of social issues like America or Canada (ie especially Quebec, Canada).

The only thing a prostitute cares about, and that includes racist 'escorts', is how much green you put down. They don't care about your colour as long as there's enough green on the table. And maybe if you're a weird person, you may have to put more green on the table, but prostitutes fvck for money. If they reject you, you simply didn't pay them enough.

How would you know how things work in North America?

Don't lecture me about prostitutes, boyo, I live within walking distance from one of the most famous legal prostitution districts in the world and you're going to lecture me on prostitutes refusing 'weirdoes'?

Right, and if I were in Amsterdam and was under that climate then I'd probably agree with you. Amsterdam is a more progressive and inclusive country as a whole than North America is. (To be fair, there are also a number of non-racist normal escorts here who only care about money rather than the race of the client, so I'm not saying ALL escorts are like that, but definitely a significant number that would make someone who is Black, or have Black-in-their-blood, feel uncomfortable when searching out for an escort, and may end up dealing with someone other than the one they really want because they are not racist, which puts the experience too much like you are looking for a date with someone who likes your race enough to deal with you rather than really searching for an escort as a customer. That should not be on a mind-set of a customer or it adds a level of trauma being "othered" even in that process). Thus, the experience of using prostitutes vastly differes from the country you are using them in.

If I went to Thialand, the Domenican Republics or Mexico/Columbia then using their prostitutes would be different because the whole country and culture is different. Same thing with India. Each country has their own independent unique culture of how these things operate.

Prostitutes make their money from weirdoes. From people who go to a prostitute for 'services' their own women will not provide.

If you see the type of guys who use prostitutes, then that would kill the appetite of wanting to use them, that's for sure.

But please, go ahead, lecture me some more about these prostitutes who reject you.

I doubt Amsterdam has any local incel population.

 

[SW15]

Isn't that a bit like comparing roadkill to a home-made dinner?

Escorts are cheaper than civvies.

No, it isn't.

I'm trying to do a thought experiment without a biased view. I am not implying one path is better or worse than another path when I simply assess costs.

Men pay for sex indirectly in conventional dating and directly otherwise.

It's a difficult comparison to make because the costs in conventional dating are often difficult to measure.

 

[GoodMan32]

1. In the United States, as of 2023, about 27% of women have reported using online dating sites or apps at some point.

2. In 2023, the female population in the United States is approximately 169.1 million

3. The demographic data from 2021 shows that women in the 30-44 and 45-54 age brackets make up around 25.7% of the US population

4. 169,000,000 x 27% = 45,657,000 million

5. 45,657,000 million x 25.7 % = 11,733,849 million women over 30 on OLD.

Begs the question if all of the 11.7 million chicks on OLD in the US are wh0res, why are so many men struggling to get laid? Someone check my math.

Even if all of the 11 million women gave easy sex to a guy, there are way more than 11 million guys looking for easy sex.

 

[corrector]

No, it isn't.

I'm trying to do a thought experiment without a biased view. I am not implying one path is better or worse than another path. Other people can make that judgment.

Men pay for sex indirectly in conventional dating and directly otherwise.

It's a difficult comparison to make because the costs in conventional dating are often difficult to measure.

You know this board is tanking when so-called reputable posters like this post this type of nonsense, lol!

Hey, this guy believes if you go with a hooker that it counts as a legitimate notch-count, just like a civvie. You can't make this stuff up.

 

[GoodMan32]

You can do whatever you want, but fvcking prostitutes doesn't sound either Don Juan or So Suave to me. I thought these boards were for men wanting to improve their 'game'. Not much game in pulling your credit card.

I'm totally down to become better with pulling the ladies. But at the same time, escorts come with a lot of pluses you don't get when trying to pull civvies.

Many guys, however, are adamant civvies are way better than escorts. Which makes me wonder...is there some universal truth I'm missing? A universal truth these guys know, that I'm unaware of?

Perhaps there's a shortcut to pulling civvies that I'm unaware of? Because to me, pulling a civvie appears to be a lot more time and effort.

 

[GoodMan32]

Seriously though, you are only pulling your credit card if you are dealing with OnlyFans. People who visit escorts, will say some type of game is needed since escorts reject guys. For example, if you are a black guy wanting to deal with an escort that says no blacks, then you would need some solid A-game (ie act like you are one exceptional black guy who is married and is visiting on a business trip). People like @Murk and @Gamisch are Black, or have Black in them, and have managed to deal with "no black" escorts.

Assuming an escort is not rejecting on race, then you still need some game not to look like some wierdo that would make her feel uncomfortable or start talking about politics or some heavy stuff like that that would throw off the whole mood of the session.

Being Caucasian, hardly any escorts will refuse to see me on racial grounds. I've managed to get around a different wall an escort put up, however. This one escort only sees 35+ men. Yet I, being 32, got her to bend the rule.

 

[GoodMan32]

No, but apparently you need permission from prostitutes to stuff your weenie in any of their holes.


So, you mean a black guy would have to game a racist prostitute who doesn't want to be fvcked by a black guy. You need 'game' to fvck some racist 'escort'?
All you need is more money. None of these racist escorts you're talking about would have a problem fvcking Kanye West.


The only thing a prostitute cares about, and that includes racist 'escorts', is how much green you put down. They don't care about your colour as long as there's enough green on the table. And maybe if you're a weird person, you may have to put more green on the table, but prostitutes fvck for money. If they reject you, you simply didn't pay them enough.

Don't lecture me about prostitutes, boyo, I live within walking distance from one of the most famous legal prostitution districts in the world and you're going to lecture me on prostitutes refusing 'weirdoes'?
Prostitutes make their money from weirdoes. From people who go to a prostitute for 'services' their own women will not provide.

But please, go ahead, lecture me some more about these prostitutes who reject you.

One thing I'm going to say is: An escort refusing to see black men isn't necessarily racist. There are escorts with black boyfriends who refuse to see black men.

 

[Gamisch]

You underestimate how deep the racism problem is in North America then. It's not as free and liberal place like Amsterdam in that way.

For the record, I did reference @Murk and @Gamisch but THEY are not dealing with North American prostitutes. They are dealing with European prostitutes. I don't think Europe, or Amsterdam as a whole has the same type of social issues like America or Canada (ie especially Quebec, Canada).




How would you know how things work in North America?



Right, and if I were in Amsterdam and was under that climate then I'd probably agree with you. Amsterdam is a more progressive and inclusive country as a whole than North America is. There are also a number of non-racist normal escorts here who only care about money rather than the race of the client. The experience of using prostitutes vastly differes from the country you are using them in.
If I went to Thialand, the Domenican Republics or Mexico/Columbia then using their prostitutes would be different because the whole country and culture is different. Same thing with India. Each country has their own independent unique culture of how these things operate.



If you see the type of guys who use prostitutes, then that would kill the appetite of wanting to use them, that's for sure.



I doubt Amsterdam has any local incel population.

The funny thing about racism is that if you are not a person of color you'll never ever really understand what's up.

Let's just say that a person's skin color can be the reason people call him all kinds of names. Without any context or knowledge about the person.

Oh boohoo, yet anyone will do this due to (bad) experiences. I get that. Yet it's a self fulfilling negative loop( foreign type of guy gets alienated, because he's alienated he commits crime, because he commits crime he's alienated ect.)

Finally ,the major issue with prostitutes is that they're still women...you can have a female judge and be fecked up due to the FACT she's a woman..(happened to me ).

We as men want our " porn experience " , and are definitely willing to pay for this. In reality it's always a role of the dice whether you'll get a great experience or not.

You better be a foreing Chad tier man if you want your prosti to be compliant. Being a foreing sub 6/5 dude...geez...