Enough is enough, time for a change journal.

[JaegerPilot217]

Transformations happen through experience, through getting rejected, through getting success, but you'll never experience the transformation if you sit in your house, SO TAKE ACTION!!!, wise words from Johnny Berba

 

[thunder_god]

Week 23 day 2: Today I met up with my wing tommy to do some day game. I only had an hr to do daygame because I had improv comedy class to go to. I only managed to do 5 sets. I recorded the last 4 sets, but after listening to it I realized the audio is pretty $hit and really low. I'm going to try and download another voice recorder program for my phone. Youtube seems to be giving me issues with the 3rd set so I won't post a link until it gets resolved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zX0XILaBLlU&list=UUdWLJgB3Zk0aPQWQ9_SyizQ&index=4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z08FmRsruaA&list=UUdWLJgB3Zk0aPQWQ9_SyizQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9mfgW45BKY&feature=youtu.be

For my last set, I ****ed up because when I tried to number close the girl, she asked for my # and then told me she would text me. Its been several hours now and I have gotten no texts lol. I should have been more commending by telling her to call me from her phone or text me right away before she took off. I didn't want to keep her waiting but by not doing that I ended up without a # that I should have gotten. Anyways I didn't feel any of the interactions were that good.

Afterwards I headed over to my improv comedy class. There were two girls there that caught my eye in class. One of them I had met last week but she mentioned a bf and another brunette that just dropped by today. I spoke to her for a little bit and it turns out she is Australian and has lived in the UK for a few years before moving to Canada. She was alrite but her accent was sexy as hell. Unfortunately after class was over and we were all watching the show, I saw another girl who really caught my attention. She caught my attention so much that I completely disregarded the previous two girls. It turns out she was running the show and calling the shots. She was cute but not hot, but the thing that really caught my attention was her personality. She was asking the audience to come down and volunteer to be in the improv show. I was hesitant in the beginning to participate but then I remembered that I need to face my fears so I said **** it. I originally wanted to come down during the 2-4 acts but was too slow but then by the 5th act I was prepared so I sprinted down. Unbeknownst to me, she had volunteered herself for the same act as I was sprinting down so I ended up acting in a scene with her. Another person directed the act and he told us that the audience would decide which one of us would be the higher status person in the scene by holding strong eye contact. I knew as a male that I needed to be seen as the higher status in control person so there was no way in hell I was going to lose in the eye contact challenge so I stared her down till she backed down lol. I ended up playing her master. She told me I was scary lol. She did give me a few compliments which gave me a ego boost and also told me I have this bad boy look or persona that she can later use. After class as she was leaving, she was like "great job in there" as she left. I tried to follow her but then noticed she had stopped in front of me on the street so I just said bye and took off as she stood there checking up on her phone.

When I got home I just had to google this girl and found out more about her. Turns out she is some unknown local actress/comedian. I think I might be developing a bit of a crush on her which may not necessarily be a bad thing as she can help get rid of my oneitis sickness that has plagued me for months now. I couldn't take my eyes off of this chick today in class. I literally wanted to bang the crap out of her in class today. She really turned me on for some reason. I'll definitely be keeping my eye out for this girl. Who would have known that improv comedy classes have so many cute girls there. After the huge disappointment in my dance classes I suppose its about time that I start meeting some attractive girls in some extracurricular activities.

 

[thunder_god]

Week 23 day 3: Argg ****ed up again. I went out to a nightclub today. Didn't do any day game. I met up with a new wing but he brought along some old chick. He told me he had done 3 approaches but I only saw him do one approach and he got rejected lol. He was telling me to just go and approach girls in the club. I already tried that $hit and it doesn't work too well, so I decided to stick with my dance routine trick. It didn't work the last few times at this place but then again I gave up too quickly. I was just dancing and enjoying myself at the dance floor. I did give a women who I initially thought was a dude a high five. She signaled for me to spin her when I gave her a high five but at the time I thought she was a dude and was like wtf and just let her hand go lol. I opened another chick who was wearing white and asked her "whats with the white" but then failed to continue the conversation.

At the dance floor I had a few targets in mind, however most of them didn't take the bait. Later in the night my wing ditched me so I was alone at the club. First time sarging alone at a nightclub. It was ****ing intimidating as hell but I just stuck with it on the dance floor. I'm now comfortable dancing on the dance floor and just moving to the music. Soon after he left I noticed a group of girls also wearing white. After dancing near them I noticed one brown chick made eye contact with me. I tried to smile but she stopped looking at me. She continued to sneak a look at me here and there. I also started to notice she was getting closer and closer to me as if hovering around my area. Then she would later bump into me with her back facing me only to turn around and look at me. I tried to smile at her but she didn't smile back. I was confused as hell. This $hit continued on for a while but then a lot of dudes started approaching the girls, especially the brown chick. I also got approached by some fat black chick. She just came up to me and grabbed my hands and started dancing with me lol. This occurred right beside the brown chick, and I guess she saw me dancing with that other chick. I'm not into brown chicks but I did find her cute enough to ****. Anyways she kept on getting hit on left and right to the point where she dragged her friends away. I tried to make it less obvious I was following her so I waited a few minutes then tried to dance near her again. Once I again I noticed her look at me and then would bump into me again. Then dudes would approach her again and she would end up leaving. At this point I saw her leave the dance floor so no point in me staying neither. I went to the washroom and then left the dance floor as well. I saw her outside the dance floor with her friends taking pics, and as I walked past her I notice she was looking at me again. I pretended to whip out my phone to look at it standing a few feet away. A few seconds later, she walked by and looked at me. She was leaving so I knew I had to make a move before she left but she was with her group of friends and I had no wing. So I figured it was a lost cause and left too. I walked past her and her friends and left the club. As I was leaving, I noticed she was behind me with her friends, then all of a sudden she ran her hand behind me back. I turned to my side and looked at her as she looked at me. I said hi and smiled but no response lol. Maybe she didn't hear me. At this point I knew she was into me and was giving me IOI's but I wasn't 100% sure if she was interested or not before and didn't want to approach and get blown out like the 10-15 other guys that approached her. I was the only guy who didn't approach her so I guess that separated me from the rest, however I never made a move neither which is just as bad.

I knew right after she ran her hands behind my back that I had ****ed up royally. There was no reason for her to do that to a complete stranger unless she was interested in me. She got on a taxi with her friends and left. That $Hit really stung and even right now I'm still pissed off at myself for ****ing up yet again. God damn it, I let fear control me tonight even though this chick was into me. I hope I don't make the same mistake again! Her IOI's were so subtle until the last IOI where she ran her fingers behind my back. I really need to learn to pick up on these signals. My oneitis also did similar $hit like this. Well at least its a good feeling to know that there are some cute and attractive chicks out there that are into me. I used to think only average and ugly chicks were into me, but I'm starting to realize this is not the case.

I can feel I'm inching closer and closer each time I go out and learn game but **** man. I always end up missing the target. It's so close yet so far lol.

 

[Maximus Rex]

You're Making Progress

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to thunder_god again.

First of all dude, you deserve major props for getting out there and gaining this invaluable experience. You're a better person for it, and (believe it or not, you can deal with rejection from females a lot better.

Also, (unlike me,) you've for all intents and purposes have conquered your approach anxiety. I've noticed that in your more recent field approaches that you haven't mentioned being hesitant in approaching chicks which is good. However, you've got to stop hating on the "Fat Piece of Sh*t," that has gotten to know your oneitis carnally. That's very unmackish, potna and you have to remember that old mackin' proverb. "Don't playa hate, congratulate." Finally on to your approaches.

You have to take your phone out of your pocket. During the sarge you would be better off holding it in your hand because all I can hear if the phone brushing against your pants pockets. Or maybe you can get some sort of blue tooth advice that will allow you to record.

As far as your conversation goes, it's too much like an interview and not enough like a conversation. Last Friday, I kicked it with John from RSD and I got an opportunity to see him in set. Among the tips he gave me was that while in set, the conversation needs to be about your passions and that passion needs to be conveyed in your tonality. Also, you need to interject your knowledge of stuff into the conversation. For example when ole girl started talking about psychology, you should have started talking about physical therapy, how you look forward to studying, and eventually working, then you ask the chick about her passions. Or you start teasing her about she's psychoanalyzing you right now. Also with the psychology, you can always talk Freud and Oedipus complexes and oral fixations.

You also have to take the interaction as far as it will go. Remember that old pick mantra, "Make the hoe say no." You stay in set until that ***** walks off or it is obvious that is hella annoyed by your presence and is going to call the Mounties on you. You also have to go for the insta-date or the number close in every interaction. You have a lot to be proud of keep up the good work.

 

[thunder_god]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to thunder_god again.

First of all dude, you deserve major props for getting out there and gaining this invaluable experience. You're a better person for it, and (believe it or not, you can deal with rejection from females a lot better.

Also, (unlike me,) you've for all intents and purposes have conquered your approach anxiety. I've noticed that in your more recent field approaches that you haven't mentioned being hesitant in approaching chicks which is good. However, you've got to stop hating on the "Fat Piece of Sh*t," that has gotten to know your oneitis carnally. That's very unmackish, potna and you have to remember that old mackin' proverb. "Don't playa hate, congratulate." Finally on to your approaches.

You have to take your phone out of your pocket. During the sarge you would be better off holding it in your hand because all I can hear if the phone brushing against your pants pockets. Or maybe you can get some sort of blue tooth advice that will allow you to record.

As far as your conversation goes, it's too much like an interview and not enough like a conversation. Last Friday, I kicked it with John from RSD and I got an opportunity to see him in set. Among the tips he gave me was that while in set, the conversation needs to be about your passions and that passion needs to be conveyed in your tonality. Also, you need to interject your knowledge of stuff into the conversation. For example when ole girl started talking about psychology, you should have started talking about physical therapy, how you look forward to studying, and eventually working, then you ask the chick about her passions. Or you start teasing her about she's psychoanalyzing you right now. Also with the psychology, you can always talk Freud and Oedipus complexes and oral fixations.

You also have to take the interaction as far as it will go. Remember that old pick mantra, "Make the hoe say no." You stay in set until that ***** walks off or it is obvious that is hella annoyed by your presence and is going to call the Mounties on you. You also have to go for the insta-date or the number close in every interaction. You have a lot to be proud of keep up the good work.

The approach anxiety is still there. I have trouble opening the first ten sets but after that everything is good and I can usually open every single girl I see from that point onwards. Now on to that fat piece of $hit. I already didn't like this muther****er when I first met him last year, but now I seriously want to kick this guys's ass. He disrespected me that friday night at the nightclub by putting his hand on my hair and messing it up like that HS bully $hit you see. The only reason I havent knocked his fat a$$ out yet is because I'm afraid I would seriously injure this guy like break his leg or send him into a coma. I've studied martial arts for numerous years now and don't want to misuse my training, but if he ever lays a finger on me like that again I can't promise I won't hurt him.

I've recently been trying to mediate on a daily basis to help keep my mind present in the moment. Today I took a one hour meditation class through school to learn the proper technique. Also my social network continues to expand exponentially. I just started an intermediate salsa class today and there were a few potential cute girls in there. This is a farcry from the previous dance classes I took that were mostly dudes and ugly chicks. Things are starting to look up. I can feel I am very close to getting a makeout or even getting laid. Its like one of those hunches you get. I just need to get a bit further. I can't believe 9 months ago I had such a huge scarcity mindset with my oneitis. Nowadays I've met and seen a large abundance of women. If I can seal the deal with a few of these then my dating problems would be solved. We'll see how the future unfolds for me. Going to my favourite pub/bar tonight to do some more nightgame.

 

[thunder_god]

Week 23 day 4: Today I had to go sarge solo at the pub/bar. Half of my wings who initially agreed to go out with me today bailed, while the other half didn't even reply back to my texts. When I got there I ended up running into a few of them. This tells me they ignored my texts. Well **** these rsd inner circle guys then. I will ignore there texts in the future when they ask me to come sarge with them too. I did my usual dance routine in the dance floor.I got approached by some chicks wearing leather jackets along with my wing and we danced for a bit, then I got approached by some average looking blonde chick and grinded with her. This was pretty much the highlight of the night lol. I can now almost say that I can get a grind once a week but this is no longer good enough for me. After I grinded with that chick the place got really packed. I continued with my dance routine but couldn't get any girls attention as it got ridiculous packed. Two fights almost broke out there as well on the dance floor. I'm going to have to come up with another way of opening girls when the dance floor gets ridiculously crowded. Should I just do the regular approach like daygame or should I try to grab them in this case? Once again I left disappointed in myself for not having accomplished more tonight.

I think I'm going to try and do some daygame tomorrow as there is a semi-formal tomorrow night. My oneitis will probably show up with that fat piece of $hit and it will probably bother me if I see them being physical. She might try to come dance with me again and I will be forced to blow her off again. Also I'm going to need to approach and game the girls in my new class. I'm nervous right now about it but I know it is something I have to do. I need to start getting dates and expanding my options because I never want to develop that scarcity mindset ever again and feel the pain and burn of my oneitis hooking up with another guy and me being hopeless. Hopefully I can do some sets to warmup before the semi-formal tomorrow night to get my mind into state. I really need to grow a set of balls and just go for it and approach girls if I like them. This irrational fear keeps on hindering my progress.

 

[thunder_god]

Week 23 day 5: I just got home right now and I'm so PISSED OFF!!!!!!. That fat piece of $hit had another one of my new classmates who I saw as a target be all over this guy. Like seriously does he even have to work to get girls? Just because he's really tall girls are just drawn to him. I guess he will be hooking up with this girl too. Guess my oneitis ****ed up when she chose him over me. I did see her at the semi-formal tonight but she didn't actually go inside, she was just dressed in a hoodie and left soon afterwards. A classmate of mine who's now a year ahead of me, frigging unbuttoned my shirt and made me dance half naked. She was horny as **** and did the same to several other guys. Another one of my targets was also there but she didn't seem too receptive to me so I guess I will have to cross her off my list as well, unless I get really good at game soon. Her friend though who I mentioned that I tried to pick up at the nightclub but failed miserably because she's fat lol was all over me tonight. She was like to her friends "I love him" lol "he was the guy I told you about". She grabbed my hands and intertwined her fingers with me and also ass pumped me lol. She has a bf too lol. I was hoping she would help provide social proof for me to work on her friend who I'm interested in but her friend doesn't seem interested.

I also had another asian girl throw herself at me as well. She was pretty ****ed up though and kept on asking me if I was a year 1 or two student after I repetitively told her what year I was in. Not my type either. I also took a girl home to her apartment as well. Probably shouldn't have done that because now it makes me seem like a nice guy. I have zero interest in her. Her friend kept on winking at me for some reason like she's trying to signal me that its a go lol. The girl was piss drunk and dizzy as $hit and made me call her a cab. ***** didn't have any money on her either so I had to lend her it. She wouldn't let me come upstairs to her apartment. ****!!!!!! When the **** am I going to get a break? I plan on going out in a few minutes to do some nightgame but wtf man? I've been hammering at this $Hit for months now with practically no results. No makeouts, no lays. Now I'm losing girls who I had my eyes on ****! Also another one of my targets was grinding with a guy from my new class. I know he has a gf too, so I don't think he's competition but still, seeing all the girls who I'm interested in be interested in all these other guys blows. I did befriend him along with another guy who seems like a player as well. He told me he wants to come study with me. I'm going to provide him with old tests and stuff and in exchange ask him to show me the ropes with women. He seems like a natural so hopefully I can learn some stuff from him along with that other guy. It's definitely going to be interesting this year. I can already tell there's going to be some major events happening in the near future with these new classmates of mine.

 

[escaleraroyal]

It's true tall guys will lay more girls. If you are short then I think it's over. I'm 5.7 Asian. I only laid 15 girls in my life. Not a lot compare to my tall guys friends. They have at least 60 lays. Good luck

 

[Lostinlove]

Thunder god is at least trying. Kudos to you op.

 

[thunder_god]

It's true tall guys will lay more girls. If you are short then I think it's over. I'm 5.7 Asian. I only laid 15 girls in my life. Not a lot compare to my tall guys friends. They have at least 60 lays. Good luck

I'm 5'11. Hardly short, plus with shoes it bumps me up to 6 foot.

 

[thunder_god]

So I did end up going out and met up with a wing and his friends but didn't end up doing jack. I'm so disappointed in myself. I should have the approach anxiety handled but its still stopping me from progressing. Once again I was told I'm good looking and that I dress exceptionally well by two of the guys which makes me more depressed as I know its not the physical part that's holding me back, but the mental part. Why the **** doesn't my mind let me do what I need to do to become successful with women? Its like I know I have to be more physical with girls and yet I chicken out of doing it or that I need to approach a lot more girls to get the reference experience but my mind makes me fearful of doing it because I will get rejected. Who the **** cares about rejection but yet my damn mind still will not cooperate with me.

I've hit a major plateau which is unable to overcome approach anxiety, only getting #'s and grinds and the occasional opportunity for a instadate. It seems I can't get over this hump. I feel so $ucking useless!!!

 

[thunder_god]

Week 23 day 7: So I haven't been able to get any wings out with me for the past two days. Also this week, a lot of wings were busy and a few disappeared on me, which I suspect is the work of one particular wing Mr.A. I had a disagreement with him about how to proceed with my oneitis a week or two back and he seems to think that if someone doesn't agree with his advice that automatically makes them a negative person. Funny enough I don't see him use the same advice he gave me with his own oneitis, gee I wonder why? Anyways **** him and the other idiots that decided to listen to him as well. He was talking $hit about a few people that winged with him the first time I met him, so I'm sure this is not a isolated incident. The guy has no life outside of pick up, no friends, no social life, and I'm not sure if he's even in school at all and he only recently got a part time job. Essentially he's a ****ing loser who now thinks he's better then me lol. Anyways **** him, I didn't learn jack $hit off of this guy and he won't be missed. I don't need negative people in my life who will bring me down.

I was suppose to go clubbing last night with my best bud, my idiot friend and another mutual friend of ours. However, my best bud wanted to go gamble and win some money so we headed to the casino first. We ended up spending the whole night there and I was disappointed we didn't get to go clubbing. He did win around $400 which he used to treat me to food. Today I met up with him again just to chill because I didn't have any wings. My idiot wingman flaked on me today.

I also texted that chick who cancelled our date last sunday. She called me right afterwards and I asked her out again and she appears down. She told me to call her tomorrow to set it up. We'll see what happens.

I think I need to start creating new goals again. I have noticed I haven't been doing much lately in terms of progression so I need to start creating concrete and achievable goals. I know my main goals that haven't been met yet were to go on multiple dates with women and to get laid but I haven't been able to achieve this yet so I'll start with smaller goals which hopefully will get me to my bigger goals. My best buddy also told me yet again that my attitude and outlook is completely changing as well. I told him earlier today while we were having a drink that I was sick and tired of seeing guys who I know are half the man that I am yet get the girls that I want. I'm sick and tired of jerking off and want to get what I want which in this case is attractive girls. He said I sounded like him 7-8 years ago when he decided to learn game to get better with girls. He's currently spinning 4-5 plates now and wants to drop two of them. Also two of the girls who he is banging are married and engaged. He says he wants to stop seeing both of them because they are *****s and he says he feels empty inside being with them.

This weeks goals are :

1. talk to at least 30 girls and get a minimum of 1-2 numbers that are solid which I will hopefully lead to more dates.
2. try to get a makeout
3. Try to get a date
4. Be more aggressive on the dance floor with girls who give me IOI's such as grabbing their hands if they are looking at me constantly and trying to dance and grind with them, which I will try to escalate into a neck kiss and then eventually a kiss.
5. Practice being more flirtatious

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

Next time you are grinding a chick on the dancefloor, spin her round and kiss her. Consider it a challenge.

Always be escalating.

 

[thunder_god]

Next time you are grinding a chick on the dancefloor, spin her round and kiss her. Consider it a challenge.

Always be escalating.

Challenge accepted. Looking forward to trying this move this week. Do I just go for the kiss right away after spinning here or do I need to wait for a bit and stare into her eyes? Thanks for the tip.

 

[thunder_god]

Week 24 day 1: Today I had the most ****ed up date ever if you can even call it that. I gave the girl who I mentioned yesterday a call today. So I told her I would pick a few places and we would meet at 9 and she agrees. Then about an hr before we're suppose to meet she tells me to meet at some place that she picked. I didn't like the look of things but nonetheless agreed so that I could get some practice in for dating. I say ok lets meet at 9, but then she says she's already there with some person. The name was some middle eastern name that sounded like a dude. I wasn't sure but I didn't like how things were headed. I called up my best buddy and he told me to just go through with it just for the experience so I text her that I'll be there soon. I get myself all done up with cologne and everything and then hit up the place. When I enter I see her with some middle eastern dude. I was thinking in my head "wtf". He was sitting across from her and it was weird and awkward when I was deciding where to sit down. I settled with sitting across from her and beside the dude lol. I just shook his hand and was being friendly to him. As it turns it she just met the dude yesterday. He literally looks like agent simmons from transformers http://www.tfw2005.com/resources/attach/4/0/5/9/7/Simmons_1247423844.jpg. Ok 30 minutes or so into the conversation I wanted to bolt because it was ****ing Bull$hit that she would invite both of us out.

Anyways she later tells me that she has a girl, which I was kind of confused about. At first I thought it meant she had a daughter by it soon dawned to me that she was a bisexual. She mentioned that she is only looking for friends and not something romantic because she has a girl and then proceeded to ask me and the other guy if we were ok with it. He quickly answered yes and seemed happy whereas I kind of avoided her question and gave her a vague response. When he answers her again, she tells him "I was actually referring to thunder_god" and then looks at me. I'm like add me to facebook lol because earlier she said she is going to add me to facebook. She invited me to her birthday party that she is having in a few weeks. I told her she needs to introduce me to her female friends then and she agrees but then later says most of her friends are guys lol. Anyways it was a pretty ****ed up night. I didn't know what to make of it. At one point, she is like to the guy, did you know how me and thunder_god met? He saved me from bees. I'm actually allergic to bees and then says I'm going to give you a hug for saving me. She then gets up, takes two steps forward as I get up but then doesn't give me the hug. To make it less awkward I actually had to walk up to her and give her a hug instead. She then tells me that she is going to some independent art gallery and invites me. I'm like sure, text me when your going and if I'm free I'll come too. She then is like I'm going right after tonight and I tell her I got classes tomorrow lol.

I'm not exactly sure what to make of this. She is definitely a weirdo. The only thing I can conclude from this so called "date" is that she is either massively $hit testing me because last time she cancelled our date, she kept on using the excuse that she is 32 and is turning 33 soon or is some ****ed up ***** using me and the guy for some ****ed up social experiment or has intimacy and self esteem issues. Today she didn't even bring that $hit up as an issue at all. In fact we talked about our ages and she thought I was 20 lol. I told her I was 35 and she actually believed me. Girls are idiots. I then told her I was lying and I wouldn't tell her my real age. Anyways today she sprung the "I have a girl" and I'm not looking for anything romantic right now. I actually called her out and said jokingly that me and him are part of some experiment and that their are secret cameras somewhere filming us. Who the **** does $hit like this? Its total disrespect and poor dating etiquette to bring two guys together on a "date" and then screen them. I made her qualify herself to me at the end by her telling me $hit about herself that she is talking a lot because she has some issues or some crap. The only thing positive I can say about it is that it was definitely not boring and I will have a fun story to tell people from now on. What a weird night. I didn't want to just leave like that and tell her to **** off because she has female friends who I can use her to hook me up with but it was weird nonetheless because she knew why I was meeting her yet she decided to spring this $hit on me.

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

Challenge accepted. Looking forward to trying this move this week. Do I just go for the kiss right away after spinning here or do I need to wait for a bit and stare into her eyes? Thanks for the tip.

Do it like a man. Do it like a boss.

Here's the scene:

1) You're behind the chick grinding away. Make sure she actually knows she's dancing with you; on packed dancefloors, you can get pushed up against people by mistake. You can do this in one or all of the following ways:

a) Put your head right next to hers, like where you basically try to use her shoulder as a chin rest (but don't actually!). Your cheek rests right by her opposite ear/cheekbone. This is a very sensitive area of a woman. If she allows you to do this for anything longer than 10-20 seconds, you can escalate straight to 'the spin'.

b) You have your hands on her waist, which if you are properly dancing, you should have at least one anyway. I normally go for just the one, making a few random moves with my other hand; two hands on her waist limits the flow of the dance and makes it kinda rigid or two-dimensional.

c) First point of escalation is one hand on her belly - some chicks will let you, a lot will be insecure about it. If she moves your hand back, don't try again straight away; wait another 30seconds to a minute. If she moves your hand a second time, forget this point of escalation. But sometimes if a chick is well into it (reaching back to touch too), I sometimes just go for both arms straight around the midriff. At this point you can almost always escalate to the spin also.

2) 'The Spin'.
You're dancing, dancing, but not for too long. This whole process should not last more than a couple of minutes (or for one whole song of the music, at the absolute maximum). The reason she's grinding with you after all is because she wants to be kissed. And by you. If you take too long about it, the tingle has subsided.

a) So with two hands on her waist, or one on the belly which makes the manoeuvre slicker, you spin her, fast (but not too fast) to be directly facing you, ideally with one of your feet between both of hers (feet get in the way of each other here otherwise). The essence is on the speed; fast enough so she doesn't (really) have a choice, but not so fast that she falls on her ass (she may have been drinking. Be in control of the move.

b) Now she's facing you and you've 'caught' her, both your hands now on opposite sides of her waist to where they were when you were behind. You now pull her towards you (DO NOT lean in). This is where the foot position is crucial, you don't wanna be off balance/step on her feet. Adjust as necessary.

c) The Close.
As you start pulling her towards you, look her dead in the eye and give the best 'come to bed' you can possibly muster. You should look happy, mischievious, not stare-y.
Pull her chest in to yours (DO NOT lean in, but you will probably have to tilt your head down as her chest meets yours). Simultaneously slide one hand to the small of her back and the other to the same place your cheek was in point 1(a), but preferably closer to her neck. Keep your eyes OPEN until her lips meet yours; this way you avoid miss-direction, clash of teeth and can gauge her pulling away, but at this stage she shouldn't.

Kiss her for about 5-10 seconds, longer if she gets in to it. Be firm with your holding of her, be strong, but not overly rough or aggressive.


The key is:
-Don't hang around too long before escalating.
-Smooth, firm and manly moves.
-'Not giving her a choice' but allowing her to pull away if it's obvious she's not game.

 

[thunder_god]

Week 24 day 3: Today I spent a total of 8 hrs trying to learn game. 6 Hours straight daygaming and 2 hrs of nightgame in a nightclub. The approach anxiety was extremely bad today. I only opened like 6 sets doing daygame. That was like one set every hr lol. Terrible and unacceptable. I recorded the first few sets while holding my phone so hopefully this will help. I ****ed up the order when making the videos so I'll just list them in order. The first set was the longest one. We had about a 20 min long conversation while sitting down. I think she was the first seated set I ever opened. She had a very *****y vibe to her and was very standoffish until near the end. She said she was from Afganistan but she looked hispanic though. I got ****blocked near the end by a girl soliciting crap and then this chick took off. It didn't help that I wasn't funny either in the interaction. I got one laugh in the whole interaction so it was pretty weak.

My best set was the fourth set, the girl who gave me a toothbrush and was promoting the dental office. She was an indian girl. I just opened her because I had serious approach anxiety and couldn't open random girls so I thought a hired gun would make it easier. I tried to switch the conversation from her job to more about her but she bolted to get more tooth brushes. Near the end I had a brain fart and ran out of steam but I later realized I ****ed up by not asking for an instadate when she gets off work or the number. I probably could have gone back later and reopened her again and gotten a number though.

I also opened another hired gun handing out flyers but she was ignoring me lol. She had a t-shirt that said something about being jealous so I commented on it but she didn't reply back so I just ejected from the set. She actually ignored two of my questions.

I finally mustered up the courage to use a direct opener for my last two sets, but they were really bad sets as you can hear. I probably should have opened another 8 sets and I'm sure I would have gotten a bite on one of them. I know my interactions were weak as $hit because I was nervous as hell opening and talking to the girls.

I wasn't able to get any wings for my club game tonight except for that same guy from last week who brought that old chick there. Again he ditched me after 1.5hrs. I left 30 minutes later. Today the chicks weren't receptive to my dance routine opener. I actually got opened by dudes at the club lol. I'm writing this journal entry at 3:30am here. I only opened one chick in the club and gave another one directions. I felt pretty useless for not opening more girls but they were all dancing and in mixed sets. I didn't know if I should just use direct openers and open them verbally or just jump in and try to dance with them. When I left the club, I could barely move my body. I'm so sore and tired from learning game today and it blows that I had to game by myself at the club near the end. It ****ing blows that I ain't seeing the results from my hard work either.

http://yourlisten.com/thunder_god/week-24-day-3-real-set-1 (youtube is being stupid and said its too long so I had to use this)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIMeJ0OpAqI&list=UUdWLJgB3Zk0aPQWQ9_SyizQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZ4141Cn6js&list=UUdWLJgB3Zk0aPQWQ9_SyizQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhX-2VLb4e0&list=UUdWLJgB3Zk0aPQWQ9_SyizQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_g_tVJUFgQ&list=UUdWLJgB3Zk0aPQWQ9_SyizQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cs...Q9_SyizQ2VLb4e0&list=UUdWLJgB3Zk0aPQWQ9_SyizQ

BTW Tyler's not my real name lol. People have trouble pronouncing it so I made up some fake name.

 

[Intuition]

Could you describe this opening dance routine you talk about, and what is intended behind it? Are you a good dancer, and do you get compliments for it?

Just curious as to what ethnicity you are? Did you feel that you were a social outcast in high school?

 

[thunder_god]

Could you describe this opening dance routine you talk about, and what is intended behind it? Are you a good dancer, and do you get compliments for it?

Just curious as to what ethnicity you are? Did you feel that you were a social outcast in high school?

Nothing special. Just go to the dance floor and dance. Make sure your the centre of attention. Don't approach any girls and don't let the girls catch you staring at them. The girls will get approached by all the other guys except you. Then the will start dancing near you and then eventually they will approach you. I'm a lousy dancer. I'm taking some beginner dance classes at the moment. It would work really well if your great dancer though.

Also what does my ethnicity have to do with anything? I can't change that. I'm a ethnic minority. I feel people who weren't good socially at a young age have difficulty with women.

 

[Intuition]

No offense intended with the ethnicity question - just wondering if it could be a variable in your success, or lack of and wondering if you're approaching women of different backgrounds - ie. females from certain cultures could be more 'strict' than others when it comes to dating.

If you say you're a lousy dancer, maybe you're stacking the odds against yourself when you're doing this solo routine to attract attention?