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[diplomatic_lies]

But if these elite are so powerful and deceptive, how do you guys seem to know every single detail about them? Are you guys just reciting things from a website, or did you conduct actual investigations into these organisations?

 

[KarmaSutra]

That's my point. "Satanic" while talking about the Illuminati has nothing to do with that stupid crap put forth in the late 60s by Crowley. The Church of Satan was more or less a joke by him to get attention.

The gods welcomed the Master in 1947.

It's spelled ellipsis, as long as we're correcting each other.

You rock brother. I stand corrected regarding my correction.:rock:

 

[dannowillbookem]

everyone run satanists are taking over the world and all we see is just an illusion and we're all going to hell and ahhhh riot in the streets overturn the government WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!

 

[Joe The Homophobe]

I think you give the "Devil" ( A product of X-tianity ) way to much credit. There is also too much credit to the Bilderbergers, Trilateral commission, Council on Foreign Relations and the US Government. Satan is a spook story like Keiser Soze.

My friend don't confuse the so called "devil worshipping" kids who wear black clothe, or goths or the youth that read the satanic bible or whatever with the illuminati. This is the mistake most people make. You say the word satanist refering to the illuminati and people immediately think of marilyn manson or those silly kids they might have seen in high school. The two are totally different. Those are just a bunch of kids or people following a trend trying to be different. There is a difference between those people and the satanic occultists who happen to be the global elite. The illuminati/new world order are very powerful satanic occultists, not some marilyn manson listening punks you saw in high school. Im talking about people involved in child sex slavery involving children and even babies, ritual rape, murder and occult practices that would make you vomit. Read the first post of this thread where I post news stories of cases of child rape by the elite. This is the kind of stuff that goes on behind closed doors.

Like Alex Jones said on how in his research he always came up to links to the ocult and the global elite. There is much more to it than just a bunch of old men in suits, this is a battle for your body, soul, and freedom. If you deny the existence and influence of supernatural forces in the game for global domination and you want to believe the world is just everything you see on tv, that is your choice.

Click here to read the interview with former senator john decamp who exposed some of this stuff. This will help you understand the true evil of this stuff although I warn it is some sick stuff.

 

[Visceral]

But if these elite are so powerful and deceptive, how do you guys seem to know every single detail about them? Are you guys just reciting things from a website, or did you conduct actual investigations into these organisations?

I get most of my material from liberal politics blogs. Instead of demonic possession or alien mind control parasites, you have lobbyists, bearing checks – and marching orders – from Corporate America. The evil New World Order is nothing more than the American Empire and its trickle-down, laissez-faire capitalism, both considered doomed to failure, not the ponderously bureaucratic UN; here at home, it manifests itself as the emerging police state. The sinister groups who pull the levers of power from behind the scenes are merely the corporations, their puppet right-wing think tanks, and their unwitting footsoldiers, apocalyptic Christian fundamentalists.

The rest is my knowledge of history and my understanding of human nature, all combined into the most logical framework I can think of. Men with power will do everything they can to keep and expand that power, but given how society has changed over recorded history, their methods would have to have changed over the centuries. The decline of the warrior aristocracy and the rise of the merchants shifted the basis of power from military prowess to financial acumen, wielded indirectly through institutions instead of face-to-face on the field of battle. The collapse of feudalism during the Renaissance and the decline of religion during the 20th Century have given people the idea of freedom from fixed systems. The rise of democracy could be construed as creating the need to exercise power from behind the scenes, while giving the people at least the illusion of having control over the world around them.

I'm familiar with the wild conspiracy theories, but I don't believe them. I think the truth is a lot simpler. I don't believe that the elite is controlled by aliens or Satan. I don't think that they're even a secret. I give the elite credit for being as smart as they are, but that's all they are, smart, filthy rich, and as greedy as anyone else.

If you deny the existence and influence of supernatural forces in the game for global domination and you want to believe the world is just everything you see on tv, that is your choice.

Based on what I read, the idea of Satanic influence over the world makes the most sense as a product of the Christians I talked about earlier, seeking to rally support for themselves and their own freedom-destroying world domination agenda, which they will proudly admit to having.

The world is anything but what you see on TV. The cable companies and at least one major network (FOX) are all owned by extremely wealthy individuals who donate a lot of money to Republican politicians. These politicians push legislation beneficial to their corporate masters, and in return, the media regurgitate Republican propaganda.

 

[Joe The Homophobe]

Based on what I read, the idea of Satanic influence over the world makes the most sense as a product of the Christians I talked about earlier, seeking to rally support for themselves and their own freedom-destroying world domination agenda, which they will proudly admit to having.

The world is anything but what you see on TV. The cable companies and at least one major network (FOX) are all owned by extremely wealthy individuals who donate a lot of money to Republican politicians. These politicians push legislation beneficial to their corporate masters, and in return, the media regurgitate Republican propaganda.

You are getting all this mixed up. You mentioned christianity and republicans. Most say they are Christians yet Bush and so many others go to the bohemian grove for the anual pagan ritual to moloch. Bush himself is a member of the skull and bones. They are all illuminati in disguise as Christians, as politicians. The same goes for the democrats. Im not saying all of them there are good people as well but a lot of them are corrupt and the "creme de la creme" (the ones with the real power, the top politicians) you can be certain they are part of the new world order.

An interesting story came out pointing out that Bush/Kerry are cousins! (distant cousins). Both are descendants of royal blood and guess what every other president in the USA has been a descendant of royal blood. This is just to show people that elections are rigged, you either vote for someone linked to the illuminati royal stablishment or you get another person linked to the illuminati royal stablishment. It doesn't just happen in the USA it happens in other countries as well!

You are speaking in terms of "left vs right, republicans vs democrats" when both are part of the same machine. This is all part of the propaganda out there that gets young people to hate republicans and hate "the stablishment" yet they go and vote for a democrat thinking they are helping the world! yet you do a little research you find out Kerry was skull and bones! how ignorant can people be? they hate fox news and watch cnn, who owns cnn btw?

people need to think.

 

[A-Unit]

Re:

What's known or a logical extension of what is known or perceived...

(!) People are more apathetic today about life than ever before. What they "consider" life is not life, but materialism, consumerism, and egotism. In fighting, trying to "build a life" as if they are incomplete and lacking. Even this site stands testament to the fact people feel deficient from where they are and where they want to be. This "lacking" puts people voluntarily on the rat wheel of self improvement and life building, and ignores the bigger picture.

(!) The media, or "medium" of information is one of control. Owned by companies upon companies, and finall controlled by few and regulated by the FCC, what appears on TV isn't meant to inspire, inform, or provide new perspectives. Rather, it's mean to trigger emotions and reinforce agendas.

(!) Check Noam Chomsky, a well-respected and famous author and historian on the "state of things." Noam doesn't go down any prejudiced and negatively connotated "conspiracy" route, rather he takes the tract directly from history through government, and logically points out that we've taken the path of a Society and Country on serious decline, one following the same as all previous societies that have fallen before us. However, in my not so humble opinion, with the trillions of dollars we have, the history behind us, and the intelligence around us, this "situation" can't be anything BUT INTENTIONAL and PLANNED. Public opinion doesn't matter on things. Democracy is failing. Religiousism is on a steep rise, and is finding its sinister way into self-improvement sections, and large scale sweeping marketing plans, akin to selling motivational tapes to MLM dupes.

(!) See that we can't pay our bills, gold is on the all time rise, and our debt is astronomical, jobs are actually on the decline as we ship more overseas everyday...and you want to think that nothing is going on. It's wonderful to have a "can do" attitude and "never fail" attitude, but that doesn't mean the fish bowl around you isn't being polluted.

(!) The Youth, despite the access libraries and collegiate degrees, is actually WORSE off. What a great barometer! How are our kids doing? Worse. They go LONGER to school, prolonging maturity, which USED to be 18, and is now 22 or even 30. They binge drink, engage in sex younger, and riskier activities, save less, spend more, and less educated with the respect to "useful" knowledge. Sure they can memorize a text book, or copy paper's online, but they don't get finances, don't know a thing about politics, and can't be useful in survival. Video games are just a means of getting people accustomed to killing and enjoying it. On top of excessive horror, gore and violence on TV, people are inundated with graphic images, as they're slowly and methodically brought along into submission into a world of someone else's choosing and creation. The OFFSPRING needs to be with THEIR parents, bottom line, and people need to find any means to do that.

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And you know what it is...it's like something niggling at the back of your mind. Something you know isn't right, but you can't put your finger on it. I've read alot of "different" thought streams so as not to stick to just one...MainStream, Popular Opinion. That can be anything from Best Sellers, to the Top Networks on TV, in fact, anything on TV can be construed as Programmed and for a Purpose.

You do know about the story about BGH and Monsanto? No? That was actually a story by Fox News that was supposed to air on a new show about Investigative Reporting. However, the fallout with Milk Companies we slated to be huge and the President and Ceo received such pressure that the show was first editted over 80 times by lawyers, then cancelled altogether. The show's creators refused to comply with lawyers on their DOCUMENTED findings that BGH does end up in milk, does adversely effect consumers, is harmful to cows, and has long-range effects we still don't know about yet. And because of the potential loss in milk advertising dollars, as well meat, cattle, cheese, etc, it was pulled.

Now, do you honestly think if BAD BAD news came about, it would actually be advertised? The rare instances you hear of major, large companies on the news doing wrong, its minimal, at best, or was released for a purpose. Information control is key here, and there are those who have it and those who don't.

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I ask why do people so willingly allow the control and governance of "elite" with the answer of "well throughout history, that's how it's been?!" Come on. Wake up. That's your answer? One...that's bad. Two, the US was FOUNDED on the basis on non-control, of a wideopen community, of democracy. The idea I hear parroted around is so Darwinian in its basis that I laugh. Its the cry of there's always strong, and there's weak, so we just accept it. No wonder free thought is so limited.




A-Unit

 

[Joe The Homophobe]

a-unit here is an article on the media by infowars that just came out today. It should explain what im trying to get at when it comes to the mind games going on and disinformation. I agree with a lot of what you say. But then again I stop to think what can I do about it? besides telling people and posting articles on forums such as this there is not much I can do. They might read something that might wake them up to whats going on, then go back to watching tv all day, or partying with their friends etc etc. We are brought up in a society that teaches us not to care and for a purpose. If we truly cared such awful things going on wouldnt happen.

A-Unit please check out http://www.lastingnetworks.com/alex/
This site has free full lenght alex jones documentaries incase you havent seen them. Alex Jones encourages free distribution of his videos to spread the word so it ain't piracy. Watch 911: The road to tyranny which exposes the whole 911 conspiracy, and the police state videos which exposes the high tech tyranny we are heading into.

 

[VegasGuy56]

Saton? Demons? lol

I have no doubt that there are secret societies and government programs being run behind are backs, but do you guys actually believe they're being possessed by the devil? If so you must be psychotic.

I think my IQ just went down from reading some of these posts.

 

[Joe The Homophobe]

Saton? Demons? lol

I have no doubt that there are secret societies and government programs being run behind are backs, but do you guys actually believe they're being possessed by the devil? If so you must be psychotic.

It is not us saying this, it is the protagonist themselves who over and over again are linked to the occult. Whether it be from rituals they participate in (bohemian grove/skull and bones) to the blatant show of symbols in corporate logos, comercials, media, etc.

http://www.hourofthetime.com/corporatesymbology.htm

 

[Visceral]

You are getting all this mixed up. You mentioned Christianity and republicans. Most say they are Christians yet Bush and so many others go to the bohemian grove for the annual pagan ritual to Moloch. Bush himself is a member of the skull and bones. They are all illuminati in disguise as Christians, as politicians. The same goes for the democrats. I’m not saying all of them there are good people as well but a lot of them are corrupt and the "crème de la crème" (the ones with the real power, the top politicians) you can be certain they are part of the new world order. An interesting story came out pointing out that Bush/Kerry are cousins! (distant cousins). Both are descendants of royal blood and guess what every other president in the USA has been a descendant of royal blood. This is just to show people that elections are rigged, you either vote for someone linked to the illuminati royal establishment or you get another person linked to the illuminati royal establishment. It doesn't just happen in the USA it happens in other countries as well! You are speaking in terms of "left vs right, republicans vs democrats" when both are part of the same machine. This is all part of the propaganda out there that gets young people to hate republicans and hate "the establishment" yet they go and vote for a democrat thinking they are helping the world! yet you do a little research you find out Kerry was skull and bones! how ignorant can people be? they hate fox news and watch cnn, who owns cnn btw? people need to think.

I like to think I’m speaking in terms of “populist vs. anti-populist”: an establishment that exists to serve the people versus an establishment that exploits the people to further its own interests; government, business, and culture as servant, not master. What do you suggest we do to get rid of the elite for good? You seem to know all about the evil conspiracy that controls everything, but you don't seem to have any ideas about how to change that?

I've started buying my gas at Citgo, which is owned by Venezuela. The president of Venezuela, Hugo Chavez, personally hates Bush, and has pledged to use his country’s oil revenues for social programs. I don’t know if he will or not, but what to I have to lose by taking the chance? He's also allied with Fidel Castro and Bolivian president Evo Morales, all of whom of dream of a leftist Latin American economic bloc uninfluenced by the West's imperialism and its exploitative capitalist practices. They're a self-serving elite, it's true, but they're the enemies of the self-serving elite I live under, and you know what they say about the enemy of my enemy.

I read an article about a blogger and her family who went one year without buying anything made in China. It was hard and expensive, and you could argue it didn’t make any difference, but given the trade deficit we have with China, which is a potential danger to both national security and the global economy, it's nice to know that there's something that can be done.

I live in the congressional district that “Duke” Cunningham used to run; after he resigned in disgrace, there was a special election. There was a Diebold voting machine in the polling place. Diebold’s machines are known to have multiple security breaches that could be used to alter people’s votes, have no paper trail, and the president of Diebold is a committed Republican. Irregularities in the ’04 Ohio election that delivered the state to Bush are thought to confirm that Diebold and its machines are Republican pawns. I made a point not to use the machine. Election officials in many parts of the country are challenging the use of Diebold voting machines.

Small towns are fighting Wal-Mart; a lot have lost, but some have won. A filmmaker made a short film about how Wal-Mart that generated enough bad publicity that the millions Wal-Mart spent fighting it has only made things worse. Millions of people still shop at Wal-Mart, but their image has been irreparably damaged. I didn’t shop at Wal-Mart before, and now I never will. I don’t do Starbucks or McDonald’s either.

I know that there's a concerted and growing effort to free the Democratic Party from control of Corporate America. Grassroots support has raised only a handful of candidates – the good people in the Democratic Party you mentioned - at this point, but they stand a good chance of getting elected, and in theory, won’t have any reason to answer to the elite. One of them – Francine Busby – is running in my congressional district. She might lapse and become a pawn of the elite, but the other, Republican candidates are more likely to be pawns, so I’m going to play the odds and vote for Busby.

They say all politics is local. If everyone stopped trying to change the world, and focused on changing their little part of it, the world would be changed in no time.

Ideally, there would be no elite. No man would have any power over any other man, and no man would benefit from any man’s labor but his own. Business would be kept on a short leash by the government, and government would be kept on an even shorter leash by the people. The world won't be like this for a long time, perhaps not even in our lifetimes, but we have to believe that it’s possible and do something to help make it a reality, because the only other thing to do is lie back and let the elite have its way with us.

We agree that there exists an elite that influences the system for its own exclusive benefit. We disagree about its exact nature, but that isn’t important. What is important is putting a stop to it. The question is how.

 

[OfficeSpace]

The Skull and Bones indeed exists. Both Bush and Kerry were members, and at the same time, since they graduated from the same college only 2 years apart. But just because it's a secret society doesn't mean they perform satanic rituals. It is linked to the Illuminati, but not as deeply as you think. It has more in common with a frat than anything, and even frats keep their secrets. The group has a tendancy to push out many future presidents because of it's connections.

Like A-Unit aluded to, the Illuminati likes to try and confuse people with misinformation. I think the Skull and Bones being heavily involved in the Illuminati is a part of this misinformation campaign. It's a red herring.

I've read things about rituals such as using a coffin and such to symbolise rebirth and all that. I'm not sure if I believe that much though. I know that you are chosen to be a "bonesman." (Why not pick powerful people? Like the son of a president ex: Bush Jr.) I dunno, if someone offered me to join that group, it would be tempting not to accept. I mean it's almost a guarantee to power.

I heard from a Journalist that studied Skull and Bones that the members in the group exchange very personal information. Such as sexual experiences. She said she believed that they did this to either form some sort of bond in the group, or be able to use it as potential blackmail. Haha, but who knows.

Here in the Philippines there is a ton of corruption. Usually people get into politics through family. I believe that it is the same was in the United States.

Even with all the talk about evil influences about our politicians, I believe they are just driven for personal and financial gain. And the financial gain of those that have helped them get to power. I live in a corrupt 3rd world country (Philippines). I have seen how crooked these politicians are first hand.

Thank God that you still live in a country with freedom (the United States of America). There are people who want to destroy those freedoms, but I'm sure that if we stand united, those in America can continue to live in freedom. I'm sure a lot of you will disagree about America having freedom, but once you have lived in another country, I think you will appreciate what America has.

 

[DDevil]

Saton? Demons? lol

I have no doubt that there are secret societies and government programs being run behind are backs, but do you guys actually believe they're being possessed by the devil? If so you must be psychotic.

I think my IQ just went down from reading some of these posts.

Agreed

 

[diplomatic_lies]

So everything you guys know about the Illuminati isn't based on fact, its based on logical assumptions, right? Well, here's some logic:

1) Yes, there are probably secret societies. They probably do want power. But I don't believe a single society can control the world.

2) Power is a constant struggle, it is never shared willingly. The USA and China struggle for dominance over the Asian region. Germany and England once struggled for naval supremecy. Men will not go "Ok, let's share our power so we can rule the world together in a democratic secret society!"

3) It is unlikely that a single secret society (ie. the Illuminati) would be able to recruit powerful leaders from all the world's countries. Consider that every country's leader has different views on how the world should be run...and that doesn't include the hundreds of politicians with power over the nation.

4) There's no credible evidence to suggest the world is being controlled by a single power source. Furthermore, the power attributed to these societies (demon summonings, mind control, super assassins to kill whistleblowers) are a little extreme.

5) The last bit which makes me wonder is, why do these conspiracy sites know so much? If these secret societies are so powerful, how is it that a bunch of long-haired hippies can gain so much accurate information?

 

[Marlimus]

I suspect that Joe the Homophobe is none other than Henry Makow.

 

[dannowillbookem]

i havent even read what you guys are writing, but if you can have a thread this long and packed with paragraphs like this over the illuminati, something is wrong

 

[S1NN3R]

Yeah, who needs history or knowledge or intelligent thought when we could all just act like 16 year olds and go to the arcade instead? Something is wrong because we like to try to know and understand the world around us.

 

[dannowillbookem]

Yeah, who needs history or knowledge or intelligent thought when we could all just act like 16 year olds and go to the arcade instead? Something is wrong because we like to try to know and understand the world around us.

haha but illuminati? i mean...seriously? where are you people? how come i dont know any of these people who believe in this shiit? do you guys hide in caves or something i really want to meet you and get your autographs. a real illuminati world take over believer!

 

[S1NN3R]

If you would take the time to read the posts rather than just assuming, you would see that not everyone posting here is a world take-over believer.

Just take the time to read the thread before commenting on who is participating in it.

 

[dannowillbookem]

If you would take the time to read the posts rather than just assuming, you would see that not everyone posting here is a world take-over believer.

Just take the time to read the thread before commenting on who is participating in it.

i never said everyone posting here is illuminati believers. but god how can we get a discussion this long and thick about an organization of satanists who run the world? do you know how rediculous that sounds to anyone who is more focused on life?

mehhh too each his own i guess. i certainly have no proof that the worlds leaders arent satanists. but the dale gribbles here cant say much either.