Dating Gurus' Ugly Girlfriends and Wives exposed

[lgbs2004]

It's OVER for PUACels

 

[Ugly bastard]

Do you even know the history JAL and Rollo/Donovan/Rich Cooper/ John MLD etc. share?

If not, you have a lot of homework to do. JAL hates everyone, bc. all those guys figured out he's trash and stopped working with him. So now he's throwing a tantrum. (even 4 years after)

It's just a lowblow.
JAL is responsible for doxxing Rollo's family, especially his daughter, which just shows what a weak ***** he is.

Also sucking up to JAL is fcking retarded, he claims to have a notch count of 1500. Yet even sb like Stirling Cooper who was a pornstar doesn't even have such numbers. JAL is more fake than the ass of Kim Kardashian.


Also: Rollo doesn't have courses. He just sells his books. (He also has his Patreon, and offers 1on1, but he doesn't force you that down your throat.) While JAL has 1800$ Courses.

Who's the bigger shill here?

ALL PUAs and dating coaches are frauds and scammers, and a lot of them are closeted h0m0sexuals (JAL admitted to sleeping with transgenders, and he denies that he is gay, he is in complete denial). Stay away from these frauds, and DO NOT give them one cent of your money.

 

[Dr.Suave]

It is simple, pay guys who get results, they are the ones actually doing anything. Not bums like RSD Max Dr.Suave that just stay indoors and play videogames all day.

Fixed it. Jesse was on to me anyway.

 

[DonJuanjr]

So you want me to believe some scammer who talks all day about how awful women are, makes up theories, gives BS motivation lectures, complains about hypergamy, and all of that stuff

I believe Rollo's theory is to keep men rational about dating. Manage their expectations, feelings, actions, and motivations... It's unfortunate that many men can't get past the anger phase.

 

[SW15]

Krauser is not better...

Everyone is shiitting on everyone in the space.

Krauser has shiit on John Anthony/JMULV and Caleb Jones (Blackdragon).

John Anthony has shiit on Rollo, Todd V, and others.

It's not easy to determine who has value and who does not.

 

[characternote]

Everyone is shiitting on everyone in the space.

Krauser has shiit on John Anthony/JMULV and Caleb Jones (Blackdragon).

John Anthony has shiit on Rollo, Todd V, and others.

It's not easy to determine who has value and who does not.

haha, it's all part of the fun

Eventually you realise that they're kind of all frauds. Jesse is right there, although he's yeat to realise the same applies to JA.
You really only have to watch most of their infields and assuming you have normal social skills and are somewhat perceptive, you can see that they're kind of odd interactions and the girls seem to think so too a lot of the time.

For Some of them it's because they're so stuck on this idea that certain techniques and stuff are akin to magic, and so they have unnatural looking conversation as they're trying to cram in their NLP routines (Ross jefferies) or stick to their regimented stacks (mystery) or use their cringey cold reads where they compare every girl too a fluffy animal (krawuser and the LondonDayGamers).
For others it's just because they're just a bit awkward and stuff (john anthony for example)

Sometimes I think the community is still going because everyone is STILL looking for the next thing. The method or verbal trick
that will fullfill the promise that PUA gave us.

Mysterymethod used to be mega popular but because it was like the first mainstream method in a way. But it's kind of ridiculed now. People couldn't make it work including mystery himself (you ever seen HIS infields?!! Results, or lack of, speak for themselves). It died out. Enough time has gone by that there's no reason we can't all go out tonight and use his script word for word. In the old days the excuse was that 'who lies more, men or women' was becoming a known pickup line. I'm confident that 20 years later, that's not the case.

People are still hoping a coach is gonna come along who is ugly and short and everything else, but who goes home with dimes everynight because of his game

For a while, Tyler was the posterboy for that. I actually quite like Tyler (certainly has a lot more Game thatn JOhn anthony)
But let's be real. If the great Tyler came out with me this weekend, I know he'd have about a 2% chance of going home with some hot 18 year old. I respect that he's had some success with girls out of his league, but he's done it using the same method that i've used to acchieve the same. Hella numbers game! It's barely a 'skill'. There's kind of no such thing as actual 'seduction/persuasion''.

There are some PUA's who I know would destroy me, but it's not because of their game. People like Coach Kyle could legitimately get laid a fair bit. Fairly decent looking, and he has 'game'. By that I mean, he just comes across as normal and not super uptight, and he can flirt etc. It's not hard. I think my game is as good as his, tbh. MaxRSD had some great infields in his course, but none of it was 'game'. Oother than being short, he's a good looking dude. Especially when the natrual was filmed. And ALL of his actual lays in that product came about from girls who either approached HIM or gave him massive IOI's. ps - It's basically the same in Coach Kyles course, too. His lays are super strong 'yes girls'. It's just the way it is! But admitting that forces us to question just how 'real' game even is, or at least how effective the stuff we all know is lol

So yeah, they all $hit on each other (and none more than John anthony), but kind of for good reason

 

[Peaks&Valleys]

Caleb Jones (Blackdragon)

Now that's a name I've not heard in a long time.

Back in the day, BlackDragon was a moderator on the forum sedfast. Probably one of my favorite posters, him along with ChiTown Maverick. Interesting thing is, these two guy's styles/methods were polar opposites. Couldn't have been more different. BlackDragon was all about being an Alpha Dog and having confidence and exuding strength, while ChiTown was all about being a smooth operator and charm and all that. Even though they were completely different, I feel they were at the top in regards to their respective "archetypes" if you will. You could still learn something from each of them. However, I don't remember them agreeing on almost anything lol. It was The Engineer vs. The Artist. ChiTown had one of the best posts I've ever read in regards to handling a specific problem in relationships. I actually had posted the link to it on here a few times. And BlackDragon personally gave me some very solid professional business advice when I was down and out. And I remember thinking how he'd be a good leader and person to work for.

 

[Solomon]

I thought the same 100% a brass (escort). The guy also has some weird infection on his top lip/no lip, which made it very difficult to look at him. If he is 6'4 I can believe he can get girls but 1500... where would you even find the time? He's probably counting escorts to his notch count (which I don't think you should do).

He got exposed (allgedly)for having herpes long ago by his former partner, then faked his STD test so he could bang girls from seeking arrangement. This video came out years ago mysteriosuly it has since disappeared

 

[Juanto]

what are your opinions about Caleb Jones aka Blackdragon?

 

[SW15]

what are your opinions about Caleb Jones aka Blackdragon?

He has some interesting ideas and I have posted some of his articles in this forum.

Krauser has published multiple hit pieces on Caleb Jones (Blackdragon). The first one was in 2019 and the second one was in 2021.

BlackDragon is a pathetic delusional cuck | Krauser PUA

Lol at Black Dragon | Krauser PUA

 

[Juanto]

i dont get the super hate towards Black Dragon from Krauser but OK, each to his own.

 

[Gamisch]

I dont know what to think of the statement that nr of notches decide how manly you are. If we look at pro ballers, we see that most will marry their first love and stick with them for the long term. Yes, abundance of money probably helps to keep a woman in check. But even non famous guys will prefer to be with one good woman. I'd even say that the men that actually can pull crazy numbers don't even want to. Its always the men that feel inferior to whatever that need this. This JA guy looks like a normie, one that constantly need confirmation from women. I bet if you'd tell him his ugly he would shed a tear or two, or "proof "he is " wanted" by showing more "field reports ".

It feels like overcompensating for something. A man doesn't need to feck 356 women a year to know what's it like to be a player. Just a 2 or 3 women rotation will be plenty of work and discourage most men ; not everyone is build to be a player(read: true psychopath) Women want relationships, and will force it on the man they like. Period.

After a while its gets boring to meet new women and go through the motions like a robot. Broken people break people or look for other broken people. Good luck finding something precious in the cesspools.

If a woman has this mentality she would be seen as trash. Again, this sounds like something that should happen between ages 15 and....25 . At some point a man must grow out of this mindset and aim for quality over quantity ( the mindset of a real player with real abundance of money/looks women)

 

[Gamisch]

I dont know what to think of the statement that nr of notches decide how manly you are. If we look at pro ballers, we see that most will marry their first love and stick with them for the long term. Yes, abundance of money probably helps to keep a woman in check. But even non famous guys will prefer to be with one good woman. I'd even say that the men that actually can pull crazy numbers don't even want to. Its always the men that feel inferior to whatever that need this. This JA guy looks like a normie, one that constantly need confirmation from women. I bet if you'd tell him his ugly he would shed a tear or two, or "proof "he is " wanted" by showing more "field reports ".

It feels like overcompensating for something. A man doesn't need to feck 356 women a year to know what's it like to be a player. Just a 2 or 3 women rotation will be plenty of work and discourage most men ; not everyone is build to be a player(read: true psychopath) Women want relationships, and will force it on the man they like. Period.

After a while its gets boring to meet new women and go through the motions like a robot. Broken people break people or look for other broken people. Good luck finding something precious in the cesspools.

If a woman has this mentality she would be seen as trash. Again, this sounds like something that should happen between ages 15 and....25 . At some point a man must grow out of this mindset and aim for quality over quantity ( the mindset of a real player with real abundance of money/looks women)

If you want a notch count of more than " a thousand" there's more to it than meets the eye at first glance;

- you'll have to geomaxxx. You'll have to travel overseas to a 2nd/3rd world country. No way that a non 0.1 %er will get more than 1000 women before he's 40 in a westernized society. Neither in a religious country. Must be south america, parts of Africa or parts of Asia. And perhaps some eastern European countries.

- STDs. A friend of mine was the type to feck everything that walks, UNTIL he got got an std that made him piss green pudding. After that he became way more cautious.

- not every man wants/needs this. Having 1500 women will teach you how to go from talking to fecking. So seducing wise you are a master. BUT, relationship wise you will remain an infant at best. **I should also add that it takes literally all your money and effort. At the end of the road such a man will be empty handed, with just tons of memories, but no career whatsoever.

- men in steady relationships might've had more and better sex.


As you can tell by the responses to the thread: men hate players. Instinctively a player is a liability for a community. In my player heydays I've been assaulted multiple times by bf's, fathers ,brothers, orbiters and even (or especially) female friends.

Back to the original topic tho; a good boxing coach doesn't have to be a good boxer.

.I bet 50 % of SS members could start a dating channel and be somewhat successful at it. Doesn't mean their love lives will be flawless. Men want advice, they give it and monetize it because time = money.

 

[member160292]

I dont know what to think of the statement that nr of notches decide how manly you are. If we look at pro ballers, we see that most will marry their first love and stick with them for the long term. Yes, abundance of money probably helps to keep a woman in check. But even non famous guys will prefer to be with one good woman. I'd even say that the men that actually can pull crazy numbers don't even want to. Its always the men that feel inferior to whatever that need this. This JA guy looks like a normie, one that constantly need confirmation from women. I bet if you'd tell him his ugly he would shed a tear or two, or "proof "he is " wanted" by showing more "field reports ".

It feels like overcompensating for something. A man doesn't need to feck 356 women a year to know what's it like to be a player. Just a 2 or 3 women rotation will be plenty of work and discourage most men ; not everyone is build to be a player(read: true psychopath) Women want relationships, and will force it on the man they like. Period.

After a while its gets boring to meet new women and go through the motions like a robot. Broken people break people or look for other broken people. Good luck finding something precious in the cesspools.

If a woman has this mentality she would be seen as trash. Again, this sounds like something that should happen between ages 15 and....25 . At some point a man must grow out of this mindset and aim for quality over quantity ( the mindset of a real player with real abundance of money/looks women)

That’s the thing that got me years ago, I wouldn’t consider myself a player, but I would pump and dump as many woman as I can. Water seeps its own level and ran through many broken women. I attribute it to having ‘game’ but really it’s just seeing how far you can get on the first date and moving on if they don’t put out. I didn’t hold myself accountable for my actions and ultimately it made me rather unsatisfied with many aspects of life. I was unemployed most of that time and was broke.

It took a lot of introspection to get myself out of the mental prison my attitude toward people and life held me back from pursuing inner happiness. Almost like a drug rehab program, I was barely sane coming out of it and the rebuild was painful

Being a player is being touted everywhere for young men. You sacrifice a lot of your limited time on this earth to get your **** constantly wet. You’ll neglect other important parts of your life, that’s why notch count is bullish!t to me now. It’s better to build organic interest and growth with women. Spin plates, but keep your eye on the prize

 

[Gamisch]

That’s the thing that got me years ago, I wouldn’t consider myself a player, but I would pump and dump as many woman as I can. Water seeps its own level and ran through many broken women. I attribute it to having ‘game’ but really it’s just seeing how far you can get on the first date and moving on if they don’t put out. I didn’t hold myself accountable for my actions and ultimately it made me rather unsatisfied with many aspects of life. I was unemployed most of that time and was broke.

It took a lot of introspection to get myself out of the mental prison my attitude toward people and life held me back from pursuing inner happiness. Almost like a drug rehab program, I was barely sane coming out of it and the rebuild was painful

Being a player is being touted everywhere for young men. You sacrifice a lot of your limited time on this earth to get your **** constantly wet. You’ll neglect other important parts of your life, that’s why notch count is bullish!t to me now. It’s better to build organic interest and growth with women. Spin plates, but keep your eye on the prize

Funny you confirm what i said before i even read your post.

Yeah, so a man has a x huge numer of notches but literally nothing to show for in life. Memories fade, and taking the "rarity " out of sex and relationships comes with a prize; sex with a women becomes less and less exiting and "special " .

Even if you manage to feck a 100 or a 1000 women, after a dryspell you'll be at the same place as any other incel is; at zero.

There's a reason why some men with abundance of LMS choose to have a wife, a family and be happy with it.

 

[characternote]

Funny you confirm what i said before i even read your post.

Yeah, so a man has a x huge numer of notches but literally nothing to show for in life. Memories fade, and taking the "rarity " out of sex and relationships comes with a prize; sex with a women becomes less and less exiting and "special " .

Even if you manage to feck a 100 or a 1000 women, after a dryspell you'll be at the same place as any other incel is; at zero.

There's a reason why some men with abundance of LMS choose to have a wife, a family and be happy with it.

It's not something I think about much, but I kinda see what you mean and have probably had somewhat similar thoughts before.

I remember when I was very young and had only slept with like 3 girls and was just starting to learn about 'game' and stuff and there'd be PUA's online and stuff who were bragging about banging 500 girls and I'll admit I honestly felt painfully jealous. It was like my blood pressure would raise and i'd get a cortisol spike lol!

I jumped into game head first and read and watched everything that exists out there. Premium programs, books evrything. In hindsight it was all basically a load of nonsense (since you simply can't negotiate attraction and make a girl like you) BUT it at least got me appraoching tonnes of girls. It gave me the push. And over the years i'm now close too a triple digit lay count.

But, it doesn't really mean much.

The funny thing is that that jealous feeling completely disappeared after about 10 lays! When I'd banged like 2 girls I remember thinking 'Hopefully i'll also be able to bang 500 girls and then I'll be on his level and won't feel crap when I read his posts' but as I say, that happened at about 10 lays. After just 10 lays, I could listen too a guy claim to have banged 1500 girls (john anthony?lol) and i'd feel zero jealous/anger whatever. I just didn't care. (or in his particular case, also didn't believe him lol). It would be like someone telling me they went out for really nice meals lots this year.

Also a good point about feeling 'incel' again after a dryspell.

Shortly before 2 Christmas's ago, before i started banging a very hot young girl who's pics I shared here, i'd been on a dry spell for like 3 months and I felt like anincel despite having banged about 70 girls at the time, with the national lifetime average being lke 6! It almost becomes like a weird addiction where you're chasing that first ever high or something haha

And like chowdah said, some guys grow bored of it very quickly. My super slayer good looking friend i've mentioned a lot has had a girlfriend for like 10 years. He only very rarely cheats when like the girl is a literally 10/10 model. But i've lost count of the number of times he's turned down sex from a really hot girl. Like an 8. Probably about 3 times per weekend for the last decade lol. He's just not bothered. I think a lot of people just aren't impressed with some PUA dude who bangs lots of girls. They all have hobbies and kids and all kinds of other stuff they seem to care more about. I don't even tell most of my friends about some of my escapes nowadays. I honestly think that they think i'm a bit sad and people who try to get laid loads basically care too much about it haha

 

[Millard Fillmore]

Funny you confirm what i said before i even read your post.

Yeah, so a man has a x huge numer of notches but literally nothing to show for in life. Memories fade, and taking the "rarity " out of sex and relationships comes with a prize; sex with a women becomes less and less exiting and "special " .

Even if you manage to feck a 100 or a 1000 women, after a dryspell you'll be at the same place as any other incel is; at zero.

There's a reason why some men with abundance of LMS choose to have a wife, a family and be happy with it.

I'd rather die with the memories of the many women I've fukked but that's me. Every instance of sex for me was "special" because it involved me. People have different desires but mine was always variety.

 

[DonJuanjr]

Even if you manage to feck a 100 or a 1000 women, after a dryspell you'll be at the same place as any other incel is; at zero.

Maybe, but as you stated..

Having 1500 women will teach you how to go from talking to fecking. So seducing wise you are a master

It's better to start from zero and have the skills to break it, than not. It's like being stuck in the woods in the middle of winter, the one who knows how to start the fire is better off.

What about late bloomers? Increasing notch counts is for the young 15-25... What about a 35 year old with a notch count of 4?

 

[Gamisch]

I agree . A man who had more than 50 women will have a "certain amount of swag". Hypothetically the next category could be 500+. It takes a certain amount of effort to pull that off. You would expect that this man knows certain things/skills that allows him to pull whenever. Whether the latter is the actual truth is something I doubt.

On the other end of the spectrum there's a man with 4 notches. Not all notches are made equally. Perhaps he was married /LTR-ed ,four times a 4 year relationship ? It its the "most negative 4" (4 short flings over a 20 years timeline) such a man has other ,deeper issues.

Still , even if you are 35 you can always get more notches. Women older than 30 will be easier to bed than younger women.

I understand (like described above) that a man with a low notch count will be somewhat jealous when he hears these high numbers. But a man that did had his fair share of women wont be impressed. Similar to a poor man dreaming of eating at a 5 star restaurant, while at the same moment a millionaire might prefer McDonald's dollar deals .

I don't know if such memories remain that powerful. I have a more vivid picture of my LTR's than my ONS's / short and fast flings. But as usual; thats my personal opinion.

 

[SW15]

Women older than 30 will be easier to bed than younger women.

Men often needs to drop their standards in some way to have sex and have relationships with women 30+.

Todd V is a very good case of this. He's an over 35 guy who used attraction-seduction tactics to get an extended relationship with a very average looking woman close to his own age.