Chicks aren't Calling or Texting Back ? ? ?

[bigneil]

Yes, the women you meet in bars are much more likely to be alcoholics.

 

[Delly2000]

This is a toughie...

I would say it has to do with the physical attraction test...but u say ur are tall dark and handsome so i am gussing u would pass that.

Reason why I say this. I asked a girl for her number and she gave it. Then a buddy of mine asked for her number too. He took her out. She never picked up the phone when i called..she had my number stored. He is better looking. Tall etc. I am overweight.

So maybe in ur case u are trying too hard when u dont have to. Its still going to be a numbers game regardless. But it should be simple to just step on a polite level....maybe take em to the dancefloor a bit then ask for the number.

Oh and if she sees u asking for numbers from others she may not answer ur call....

 

[Todd Preston]

There is little logic to women...(that's why those hard and fast rules don't always apply). Day game is much different than hittin on a chick at the club. In the day game routine...you have to move fast to get that number...and then (as we have learned) follow up is crucial.

Women (the good looking ones) have dudes hangin all over them. So...its almost like the guy who's the most persistent gets the prize.

Looks, Personality, Money...all that chit counts. So, whatever you got goin for yourself...let it shine (however, don't wine and dine these *****es until they prove themselves to you with some sex).

...as you said...it really is a numbers game. I usually have good luck and get about 2-4 dates a month with new chicks...but lately its been a little dry.

This is a toughie...

I would say it has to do with the physical attraction test...but u say ur are tall dark and handsome so i am gussing u would pass that.

Reason why I say this. I asked a girl for her number and she gave it. Then a buddy of mine asked for her number too. He took her out. She never picked up the phone when i called..she had my number stored. He is better looking. Tall etc. I am overweight.

So maybe in ur case u are trying too hard when u dont have to. Its still going to be a numbers game regardless. But it should be simple to just step on a polite level....maybe take em to the dancefloor a bit then ask for the number.

Oh and if she sees u asking for numbers from others she may not answer ur call....

 

[Victory Unlimited]

Women NOT calling back? Women NOT texting back?


Well...

Over the years I've found that a lot of women, especially women under 40 have an unspoken hierarchy of people, places, or things that they're REALLY commited to.

Some of the same women who would never flake on jobs, appointments, friends or relatives will flake on guys without hesitation and without a second thought.

For women of this category, a man who shows them romantic interest is viewed as merely an inanimate dating/recreational "object" rather than another human being with feelings who may be worthy of consideration----------and not to mention RESPECT.

For women of this category, a man only becomes an honest-to-God, living, breathing "person" to them the moment that they "feel" some kind of noticeable mental & emotional stirring when the thought of these guys cross their minds.

Until and UNLESS that happens, most women of this category will not only feel no sense of guilt towards treating guys with indifference, but they'll also see no sin in treating them dismissively, disrespectfully, or disdainfully.

I'm a spiritual soldier, not a social scientist. So I don't have the time nor the interest to do extensive research to PROVE to you what I'm saying is true. But, I will tell you this:



SOME of the origins of this problem are born from -


*Too many thirsty, horny, desperate guys inflating the egos of both attractive, and even "average" looking women-----causing them to feel ENTITLED.

*Too many inconsiderate women being allowed to suffer absolutely NO adverse consequences for being rude and disrespectful to guys who don't deserve that kind of treatment.

*Too many little girls being taught by bitter mothers that they should grow up to "not need a man".

*Too many weak asssed men "in---and OUT" of the home cosigning on this "men ain't shyt" attitude, or cowardly choosing to bite their tongues while their wives, girlfriends, relatives, or coworkers bash men nonstop in THEIR presence.

*Too many guys ACTUALLY living "down" to the lowest expectations of women----giving these women A REASON to have a jaded view of our species in general.

*And too many guys REFUSING to respect THEMSELVES-------choosing instead to DISRESPECT themselves out of a neurotic fear that standing up and acting like "a Man" might cost them access to women-------a rather large portion of women who ironically DON'T have any actual RESPECT for them in the first place!

But guess what? A lot of guys KNOW this, but they STILL don't care. You see, for these guys, the Mission is:

"i MUST wet my DIKK even if it costs me my BALLS!"



So I would say that the saddest part of all of this is that this problem will CONTINUE. Yes, it will continue to circle around and around again. Like a CYCLE-----a VICIOUS one.

And the only way it'll ever be broken is when each man decides to take it upon himself to pursue the women that he wants ONLY up to the line of where his self-respect ends----------and NO FURTHER.


Soldier on.


VU

 

[iqqi]

... most women of this category will not only feel no sense of guilt towards treating guys with indifference, but they'll also see no sin in treating them dismissively, disrespectfully, or disdainfully.

Well, I'll cosign.

Most women are well aware that most men are only about getting some booty. That's why most men are not given respect or time right off the bat, unless they have established a base position as someone worthy and wanting more... and being able to offer more.

You can be mad that you are at the bottom of the totem pole, but it's better to be enlightened.

 

[sstype]

Well, I'll cosign.

Most women are well aware that most men are only about getting some booty. That's why most men are not given respect or time right off the bat, unless they have established a base position as someone worthy and wanting more... and being able to offer more.

Well there you have it....female companionship always comes with a price. I don't see why we haven't legalized escorts since pretty much all women demand some form of payment for their "gift of sex." What exactly is the difference here?

 

[Burroughs]

Well there you have it....female companionship always comes with a price. I don't see why we haven't legalized escorts since pretty much all women demand some form of payment for their "gift of sex." What exactly is the difference here?

because then malls who go out of business, our consumer driven economy would crumble...we don't want that now :rock:

 

[john siegal]

Some good stuff here...

Its is the LACK OF RESPECT that causes ALL HUMAN Relationship problems...

Women NOT calling back? Women NOT texting back?


Well...

Over the years I've found that a lot of women, especially women under 40 have an unspoken hierarchy of people, places, or things that they're REALLY commited to.

Some of the same women who would never flake on jobs, appointments, friends or relatives will flake on guys without hesitation and without a second thought.

For women of this category, a man who shows them romantic interest is viewed as merely an inanimate dating/recreational "object" rather than another human being with feelings who may be worthy of consideration----------and not to mention RESPECT.

For women of this category, a man only becomes an honest-to-God, living, breathing "person" to them the moment that they "feel" some kind of noticeable mental & emotional stirring when the thought of these guys cross their minds.

Until and UNLESS that happens, most women of this category will not only feel no sense of guilt towards treating guys with indifference, but they'll also see no sin in treating them dismissively, disrespectfully, or disdainfully.

I'm a spiritual soldier, not a social scientist. So I don't have the time nor the interest to do extensive research to PROVE to you what I'm saying is true. But, I will tell you this:



SOME of the origins of this problem are born from -


*Too many thirsty, horny, desperate guys inflating the egos of both attractive, and even "average" looking women-----causing them to feel ENTITLED.

Signs of Low Self-Esteem.

*Too many inconsiderate women being allowed to suffer absolutely NO adverse consequences for being rude and disrespectful to guys who don't deserve that kind of treatment.

Men should start telling these chicks where to go. None of this Nice Guy routine with these LOW life, uneducated and unrefined Women.


*Too many little girls being taught by bitter mothers that they should grow up to "not need a man".

So True...

*Too many weak asssed men "in---and OUT" of the home cosigning on this "men ain't shyt" attitude, or cowardly choosing to bite their tongues while their wives, girlfriends, relatives, or coworkers bash men nonstop in THEIR presence.

*Too many guys ACTUALLY living "down" to the lowest expectations of women----giving these women A REASON to have a jaded view of our species in general.

*And too many guys REFUSING to respect THEMSELVES-------choosing instead to DISRESPECT themselves out of a neurotic fear that standing up and acting like "a Man" might cost them access to women-------a rather large portion of women who ironically DON'T have any actual RESPECT for them in the first place!

But guess what? A lot of guys KNOW this, but they STILL don't care. You see, for these guys, the Mission is:

"i MUST wet my DIKK even if it costs me my BALLS!"

...All....So True...

So I would say that the saddest part of all of this is that this problem will CONTINUE. Yes, it will continue to circle around and around again. Like a CYCLE-----a VICIOUS one.

And the only way it'll ever be broken is when each man decides to take it upon himself to pursue the women that he wants ONLY up to the line of where his self-respect ends----------and NO FURTHER.


Soldier on.

VU

Your points are excellent and indicate the most prevalent issues that Modern Men face....all related with the issue of "SELF-ESTEEM."

Every man should be taught and adhere to the Principles of "Self-Respect"... and "High Self Esteem"...without them human growth is impossible or becomes irrelevant.

Lately (in my town) i have read stories about Dr's dolling out drugs to women in exchange for sex...and in turn, losing their license to practice medicine (15-20yrs of education and hard work...down the drain)....all because of a lack of Self-Respect. Same thing with Lawyers, business men...all selling their souls for a piece of arse.

When you have High Self-Esteem, you don't act like a pvssy whipped man of low stature....on the contrary. Any women who doesn't give you respect, gets the boot...and possibly a few choice insulting words.

Do everything in your power to raise your self-esteem and self-respect...and watch your world Change.


JS

 

[synergy1]

bru i am in the same boat. I can get numbers like a champ, but am having more trouble getting responses a day or two out. Funny you mention this because I just made a thread on a similar topic.


*Too many thirsty, horny, desperate guys inflating the egos of both attractive, and even "average" looking women-----causing them to feel ENTITLED.

THIS THIS THIS

So true. My friend, she is alright as a person. We get along. I would not go as far to say she is a quality girl though. Not terribly smart, not very good looking. Being honest here. But let me tell you how much more she cleans it up than I do with girls . She only ever goes out for a few hours a night, gets other guys to pay for her drinks, and usually has 1-2 numbers by the end of the night. Its insane. I have to try a lot harder to get a lot less. But the game is tilted towards women here. Women can act that way because they are entitled....too many dudes spinning bad game.

 

[yuppaz]

dunno what it is, but I just plain don't like this guy. Not surprised at all by his problem. Maybe picking up on serious arrogance. It's funny too how he assumes to school everyone on how day game works when the thread is about how it isn't working for him....haha

 

[john siegal]

...as you said...it really is a numbers game. I usually have good luck and get about 2-4 dates a month with new chicks...but lately its been a little dry.

dunno what it is, but I just plain don't like this guy. Not surprised at all by his problem. Maybe picking up on serious arrogance. It's funny too how he assumes to school everyone on how day game works when the thread is about how it isn't working for him....haha

Not surprised at all his problems ? ? ?

LOL...dude, he mentioned one issue (seems to be pretty common with playa's) and you say he's got numerous problems...hahaha.

I love it when these so called GURU's come here and spout off some BS and claim they know about someone from a short paragraph....PLEASE GIVE US A BREAK.

Seems pretty clear to me...and a lot of dudes notice this trend as common amongest playa's....everyone hits a dry spell.....that is everyone but YOU.

yuppie(paz) Maybe you could let us in how you never have a bad streak or Bad Game..."Oh Great One!"

bah ahahahaha!

JS

 

[DJ SO STEVE]

I came to realize after so many years that if you have good game you can get a girls number in a matter of minutes. That however doesn't mean she'll reply when you call or tezt.

If she had a good experience interacting with you, your chances are increased in getting a response and eventually a meetup.

Example: I go to a club, talk to 5 girls and get 5 numbers.
- the convo lasts a few minutes
- some laughter
- we find things we have in common
- some DHV
- I end in saying I'll see her around and nice to meet you

I found that I can easily do the above but getting them out always fails 90% of the time.

I realized this method is failing because not enough energy or rapport was built.

I really believe getting in and out quickly doesn't work. You must
Talk more, to build more energy and rapport, make her laugh, generate more interest and still keep stuff a mystery.

Do this and the odds of her coming out are so good!
I picked up a girl on a bus last week, talked for 20min and got her to come out a few days later.

So I know this works.
Although I think I screwed up a bit when we met up. But that's another story...

 

[Victory Unlimited]

*Too many thirsty, horny, desperate guys inflating the egos of both attractive, and even "average" looking women-----causing them to feel ENTITLED.

THIS THIS THIS

So true. My friend, she is alright as a person. We get along. I would not go as far to say she is a quality girl though. Not terribly smart, not very good looking. Being honest here. But let me tell you how much more she cleans it up than I do with girls . She only ever goes out for a few hours a night, gets other guys to pay for her drinks, and usually has 1-2 numbers by the end of the night. Its insane. I have to try a lot harder to get a lot less. But the game is tilted towards women here. Women can act that way because they are entitled....too many dudes spinning bad game.

Yeah, it's usually a true statement that in order for the average guy to generate some interest from the opposite sex, it usually takes WORK. But by contrast, in order for the average "girl" to generate some interest from the opposite sex, all it takes is a WHIM.

Such is LIFE in most of the Western World. The only real choice for the average guy is to major in bettering himself, arm himself with knowledge of women and how they work, and then take action on what he learns in order to become more successful with women WITHOUT compromising who he is in the process.

 

[Pair A Dice]

Off topic, but Victory Unlimited, if I could have sex with your posts, I would. They are THAT good and insightful.

 

[synergy1]

Yeah, it's usually a true statement that in order for the average guy to generate some interest from the opposite sex, it usually takes WORK. But by contrast, in order for the average "girl" to generate some interest from the opposite sex, all it takes is a WHIM.

Such is LIFE in most of the Western World. The only real choice for the average guy is to major in bettering himself, arm himself with knowledge of women and how they work, and then take action on what he learns in order to become more successful with women WITHOUT compromising who he is in the process.

yup, and I have long since accepted this as it is. more generally, i have always had to work for everything I have. Be it school, athletics, its just the name of the game. I don;t have a problem with it.

What one must differentiate is hard work and good work. You can keep butting your head on the wall doing things the wrong way and be unwilling to change, or you can dissect what is wrong and change. I think for myself and maybe some others on this post, it would be good to understand how to change it up to get better results. Me personally am in a bit of a cold streak ( although I had sex last weekend, it was almost a slump-buster quality), and want to pull some hotter, better women now.

Back to the topic at hand, and to keep the topic going forward: I got 5 phone numbers last weekend. Of those 5, I managed to contact 2 who responded. Of the two, I went out with one once, met up with her, than she literally left...this is delineated on another thread. So now out of the 5, I am down to 1 potential who still chats with me. Okay guys, I am at the mercy of people who are in the zone now....lay out my game plan here. If my **** ain't working, i'll be willing to experiment and see if I can get the last one!

 

[Todd Preston]

...my Rap is good...and i'm good with people...

But in Day Game...when both parties work, getting a conversation out of a woman for more than 5 mins is tough (unless you hang out at the local homeless shelter).

If i'm talking to some chick for 20 mins...there is a danger of saying the wrong thing, or not creating enough mystery for a Real Date...(i choose not to do this).

Studs like "yuppaz" (apparently) can get numbers in 5 mins and get the subject woman to come over and cook and clean for them within 2 Business days...LOL. Maybe one day he will share with the Group how that works...!

I came to realize after so many years that if you have good game you can get a girls number in a matter of minutes. That however doesn't mean she'll reply when you call or tezt.

Do this and the odds of her coming out are so good!
I picked up a girl on a bus last week, talked for 20min and got her to come out a few days later.

So I know this works.
Although I think I screwed up a bit when we met up. But that's another story...

 

[Slickster]

Well there you have it....female companionship always comes with a price. I don't see why we haven't legalized escorts since pretty much all women demand some form of payment for their "gift of sex." What exactly is the difference here?

Umm....if I was getting propositioned for sex 100 times a day by ugly chicks I think I'd want something in return for giving it up too.

 

[omkara]

SOME of the origins of this problem are born from -


*Too many thirsty, horny, desperate guys inflating the egos of both attractive, and even "average" looking women-----causing them to feel ENTITLED.

*Too many inconsiderate women being allowed to suffer absolutely NO adverse consequences for being rude and disrespectful to guys who don't deserve that kind of treatment.

*Too many little girls being taught by bitter mothers that they should grow up to "not need a man".

*Too many weak asssed men "in---and OUT" of the home cosigning on this "men ain't shyt" attitude, or cowardly choosing to bite their tongues while their wives, girlfriends, relatives, or coworkers bash men nonstop in THEIR presence.

*Too many guys ACTUALLY living "down" to the lowest expectations of women----giving these women A REASON to have a jaded view of our species in general.

*And too many guys REFUSING to respect THEMSELVES-------choosing instead to DISRESPECT themselves out of a neurotic fear that standing up and acting like "a Man" might cost them access to women-------a rather large portion of women who ironically DON'T have any actual RESPECT for them in the first place!

But guess what? A lot of guys KNOW this, but they STILL don't care. You see, for these guys, the Mission is:

"i MUST wet my DIKK even if it costs me my BALLS!"



So I would say that the saddest part of all of this is that this problem will CONTINUE. Yes, it will continue to circle around and around again. Like a CYCLE-----a VICIOUS one.

And the only way it'll ever be broken is when each man decides to take it upon himself to pursue the women that he wants ONLY up to the line of where his self-respect ends----------and NO FURTHER.


Soldier on.


VU

Yeah, there is an increasing tendency towards materialism and nihilism. People do not know what to place a value on other than sex and money. Men have no spiritual center, therefore they are easily swayed by women. At best guys can think of hobbies which take some of the emphasis off of sex. Even the guys who are successful on here, in many cases place way too much value on sex, because they have no higher values.

I know the deck is stacked against me. Therefore I have chosen to deemphasize sex, while still trying to develop skill as a player. (You will get played by women one way or another, if you participate in society. You can't avoid it.)

We have a very strong social shaming mechanism in place to make guys feel bad about themselves because they "can't get any." And naturally the females are all for this. In fact they are the main upholders of this doctrine. But once you realize that the emperor has no clothes, that even average or very cool guys have to work their asses off just to get some simple sex, then you start to see that it doesn't reflect on you as a person. The basis of this whole shaming mechanism is a total overemphasis on sex due to lack of spiritual values and a deep understanding of the myriad factors that contribute to human happiness. This is why, every day, I'm getting more and more independent of the need to "score" with women in order to feel validated.

 

[Victory Unlimited]

Yo Troops (IQQI, Pair A Dice, John Siegal, etc.), thanks for the votes of confidence. We all learn from EACH OTHER around here. Always have. That's why I'll always keep bringin' my asss back.

Moving on:

yup, and I have long since accepted this as it is. more generally, i have always had to work for everything I have. Be it school, athletics, its just the name of the game. I don;t have a problem with it.

What one must differentiate is hard work and good work. You can keep butting your head on the wall doing things the wrong way and be unwilling to change, or you can dissect what is wrong and change.

Back to the topic at hand, and to keep the topic going forward: I got 5 phone numbers last weekend. Of those 5, I managed to contact 2 who responded. Of the two, I went out with one once, met up with her, than she literally left...this is delineated on another thread. So now out of the 5, I am down to 1 potential who still chats with me. Okay guys, I am at the mercy of people who are in the zone now....lay out my game plan here. If my **** ain't working, i'll be willing to experiment and see if I can get the last one!

Yo Synergy,

Good point about differentiating "good work from HARD work". The most recent show I did ironically spoke to this very subject. And I also covered the problem of women dismissing and/or forgetting guys who they meet randomly throughout the day.

From my vantage point these "challenges" we face have a lot to do with really registering on a deeper level with women as much as possible in the initial meetings with them. Though I realize that sometimes this is not possible for a variety of reasons.

A FEW of them are:

*Some women may not really be interested in us when they meet us-------they're just "in the moment" when they give us their number.

*Some women don't really want "us"-----they just want the quick dose of attention that they get from us when we approach them (in the day OR AT NITE).

*Some women really do get approached SO MUCH by so many dudes that they really don't see anything different about us after having such a short conversation/meeting with us.

*And some women actually ARE into us, but talk themselves OUT of us over the next couple of days (as I believe was already mentioned in this thread).

The list could go on and on. But I think the biggest reminders I can give you is to remember that the Pickup Artist/Seduction Guru/Player spiel is NOT true:

EVERY sub-par or failed mission to get with a woman is NOT your fault.

There is not ONE thing we can always to do to make us successful with each and every woman. That's a lie that can be destructive to our self-esteem if we buy into it. Sometimes women NEED more than a brief fleeting exposure to us to get a fuller picture of who we REALLY are. And the truth is that if they NEVER give us another opportunity, then there's nothing we can do except write her off.

The world is FULL of women who live their latter years in regret for having made the choices in men that they have. So if you're a guy who KNOWS he has a lot to share with women who NEVER really gave you a chance to share it--------then you HAVE to recognize it as HER LOSS.

But despite all that. What do you do in the meantime? What do you do when you're still in the process of vetting these chicks for TRUE interest and passion for you?

What you do is REVERSE THE COURSE by detaching yourself from thinking of these women as "real dating options" until they actually PROVE themselves to be. What do I mean by that? Well, what I mean is simply REMEMBER to view these particular women the same ways that they APPEAR TO BE viewing you:

Don't really look at the women you meet as real, honest-to-God dating/relationship options for you until they materialize into your life by ACTING LIKE THEY'RE INTERESTED IN YOU TOO!

Of course, I'm definitely NOT advocating treating women as if they are LESS than human. No, what I AM advocating is simply treating them like hopeful "ideas" or "concepts" that MAY become reality for YOU at some point in the future.

You get me?

That way, when shyt doesn't work out, or if it DOES work out-------but "slower" than you'd like for it to, THEN you won't be so quick to fall for the temptation to internalize things that you honestly have no real control over (I.E. a woman's right to choose).

And as always, the main way to increase the quantity AND THE QUALITY of the women that we attract into our lives is to focus on ourselves FIRST. Continue the relentless mission of being faithful to all the other things that make us happy and bring us fulfillment. Then, along the way, the women who WANT to fit into our plans will make themselves known to us by their consistent BEHAVIOR.

The more women you can meet just by going about your daily life routine the better----because you're not expending so much energy going "out of your way" to meet women who may or may not prove themselves to be for you in the long run.

So put more energy into primarily just living your life while keeping your eyes open to scope out and meet women along the way. And whenever that happens, THAT'S when you'll know you've accomplished your mission of finding the right kind of women for you-------because the act of bringing her into your life AND KEEPING her in your life will always be far more PLEASURABLE to you than painful.

RESPECT.


VU

 

[Todd Preston]

Say it Brother UL...!

IL is key...and a principle that is heavily promoted by Dr. Love (not that Dr.Love is any kinda Don Juan, by any stretch of the imagination) but this principle holds true.

I supposed i should be thankful that these few chicks that i approached did not respond...because if they did...there is a possibility of them being PROFESSIONAL DATERS!

PROFESSIONAL DATERS are women who have no interest in a man whatsoever (other than the fact that they can use these men to buy them gifts, take them to diner and all the other things that are expected out of a boyfriend) but will take him for a Ride until Mr.Right comes along. Rather that stay home on a Friday night, these women will let Groveling George take them out to a fine restaurant and drop a C note on the night...then shake their hand at the end of the night and say "THANKS FOR DINNER~"

Yo Troops (IQQI, Pair A Dice, John Siegal, etc.), thanks for the votes of confidence. We all learn from EACH OTHER around here. Always have. That's why I'll always keep bringin' my asss back.

Moving on:



Yo Synergy,

Good point about differentiating "good work from HARD work". The most recent show I did ironically spoke to this very subject. And I also covered the problem of women dismissing and/or forgetting guys who they meet randomly throughout the day.

From my vantage point these "challenges" we face have a lot to do with really registering on a deeper level with women as much as possible in the initial meetings with them. Though I realize that sometimes this is not possible for a variety of reasons.

A FEW of them are:



RESPECT.


VU